saintjay77 Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 Wotte AND Redknapp both relegated Saints partly due to the circumstances that surrounded them. But both relegated us. That is a fact. Sorry, but all this being nice to Wotte as he has been a nice bloke lately nonsense is simply barking. A full expose of Wotte's ineptitude starts with him putting sweety mice into Lowe's head several years ago and finishes with his appalling tactics and inability to motivate a side EVENTUALLY reinforced with experience as a result of a club policy change. Sorry, but Wotte has contributed to Saints relegation in one way or another for quite a while. Let us all not forget that. Wotte will go down - along with Redknapp - as one of the worst managerial appointments in saints history. We are all forgetting what a genius the next manager is going to sound like when he takes over - compared to the crap Wotte has come up with. Nice bloke? Not so sure about that. Yet Redcrap has been a success elsewhere both before and after. I really do wish he was found out to be as crap as we know he has been but thats not been the case. Someone else pointed out that Lawrie relegated us once upon a time too. Again I am not trying to big up Wotte as something special but I dont see how he can be blamed for all the problems which obviously have effected us for years. I actually agree with some of what SaiNt ...... has to say in that the decissions and policys of the club have brought it to its knees rather than the skill or lack of skill of the man in charge of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 Really ???? Sorry you feel that way ........I'm sad as well .... I'm sad at the way Lowe virtually destroyed OUR CLUB Persecution ??? ...... He deserves every word as far as I am concerned .... As a matter of fact my friend, to quote your words ..... I am "very sad" that some people still cannot see what he has done to Saints The message was actually addressed to the poster known as SaintRobbie. Are you the same person by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 Without splitting hairs, I would contend that Lowe NEVER did anything that HE Himself was convinced was the right thing to do ...... It was common knowledge that Jason Dodd for example thought Lowe's idea of going down the Youth Only route was sheer madness, and with only one conceivable outcome ..... which regrettably for Saints fans, proved all too correct Wotte/Poortvliet would have had no chance with their supposed Total Football concept, had it not been already in Lowe's mind .......... all Lowe looked at was that it was CHEAP to do .......... One Dutch duo for less than Pearson, plus relatively small wages for the Youth players, as opposed to our Mega Bucks earners, who were either sold or loaned Lowe's decisions had NOTHING to do with Football, just 1000% Business:cool: Although I agree with some of that as I said in my responce to Saintrobbie the point about business doesnt really sit right. Years of underspending ended with us being relegated yet a couple of years of overspending got us to adminitstration. I think the ideal would have been somewhere in the middle but the main players all did what they thought was best and we are where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 Thank God this will all be water under the bridge soon...Lowe, Wilde JP and Wotte all yesterdays men....Forum poster opinion and peeps call it persecution..How sad is that.. The supporters of this very poor crew should wake up and realise just how much damage Lowe and his motley crew thrust upon this football club....Very sad in deed. Wotte will look after himself...We owe him zilch...and lest we forget how Lowe and Wotte treated JP You have not heard the last of that....Oh! forgot...gagging orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 I actually agree with some of what SaiNt ...... has to say in that the decissions and policys of the club have brought it to its knees rather than the skill or lack of skill of the man in charge of the team. My feelings are that although Redcrap and Wotte failed to save us from relegation in probably unfortunate circumstances, the worst failure was Burley's because he had an enormous amount of money at his disposal and full support of the various Boards up until our Play-Off year. He wasted resources on and off the field, and didn't have a clue what he was doing with probably the biggest squad we have ever had. And his profligacy ultimately bankrupted us. Then when Jones and Bale were sold he just lost interest. Thank you, Burley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 Thank God this will all be water under the bridge soon...Lowe, Wilde JP and Wotte all yesterdays men....Forum poster opinion and peeps call it persecution..How sad is that.. The supporters of this very poor crew should wake up and realise just how much damage Lowe and his motley crew thrust upon this football club....Very sad in deed. Wotte will look after himself...We owe him zilch...and lest we forget how Lowe and Wotte treated JP You have not heard the last of that....Oh! forgot...gagging orders. I thought it was Crouch that had demanded JP be sacked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 I thought it was Crouch that had demanded JP be sacked? You could be right....Doubt that he wanted Wotte though after the first failure....The point is that the whole Ruprt scheme was a failure from the start and it will be good to have a fresh start..hopefully...Nothing personal against Wotte...Good luck to him in Egypt or wherever...Very much doubt he cared for JP after his departure. He failed like the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 McMenemy also relegated us and then went on to manage the team through one of its most successful periods. I have to say your continual persecution of Wotte makes you appear a very sad individual indeed. I am not persecuting Wotte, simply pointing out that the bloke has been part of the disaster that has been Saints under Lowe, a significant part of the disaster. I agree with other posters though, the blame is firmly upon Lowe for the vast majority of the mismanagement of this Club. So as far as I am concerned along with the remaining 80% (given the polling on here a few weeks ago) Wotte can go and I and others will lose no sleep whatsoever. Sooner the better - fresh manager needed for a refreshingly new era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 I wish him well ! I think in another time and with better circumstances he would have been a decent coach. He gave a damn and was not in the same crap class as idiot George ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 well he Mustapha a good reason for going. I'll get my coat, and his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 I wish him well ! I think in another time and with better circumstances he would have been a decent coach. He gave a damn and was not in the same crap class as idiot George ! What the same George who generated the highest win rate of any Saints manager in recent history and was a penalty away from a play off final that we may have actually gone on to win to return us to the Premier League? hic... We're several years away from that sort of opportunity now due to the relegation to League 1 that Mr Wotte contributed to regardless of the circumstances. I wish him god speed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Thank God this will all be water under the bridge soon...Lowe, Wilde JP and Wotte all yesterdays men....Forum poster opinion and peeps call it persecution..How sad is that.. The supporters of this very poor crew should wake up and realise just how much damage Lowe and his motley crew thrust upon this football club....Very sad in deed. Wotte will look after himself...We owe him zilch...and lest we forget how Lowe and Wotte treated JP You have not heard the last of that....Oh! forgot...gagging orders. What is the score on the confidentiality clauses now that the plc is dead? Can ex managers and players now speak out without fear of prosecution from Lowe and his cronies? Afterall, JP was quite scathing not long after he left about Wotte et al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 So is Wotte at Staplewood or in Egypt?? Anyone know!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 So is Wotte at Staplewood or in Egypt?? Anyone know!! Good point. cant be in both so if anyone can find out then we might have a better idea on whats going to happen post takeover if it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 What the same George who generated the highest win rate of any Saints manager in recent history and was a penalty away from a play off final that we may have actually gone on to win to return us to the Premier League? hic... We're several years away from that sort of opportunity now due to the relegation to League 1 that Mr Wotte contributed to regardless of the circumstances. I wish him god speed! Ah, the time when we could ( or rather he could) **** money up the wall eh! With all the riches at his disposal at the time, he still failed to get us promoted by poor purchases and a criminal neglect of our defence ( which proved our achilles heel and a chief reason why we were'nt promoted). Our best players that season were Jones, Baird and Bale who were already at the club when Georgie arrived ! Once he missed that opportunity and cash had to be reined in, he lost the plot/interest/whatever and we sank further into the mire... He was the worst since Branfoot IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Ah, the time when we could ( or rather he could) **** money up the wall eh! With all the riches at his disposal at the time, he still failed to get us promoted by poor purchases and a criminal neglect of our defence ( which proved our achilles heel and a chief reason why we were'nt promoted). Our best players that season were Jones, Baird and Bale who were already at the club when Georgie arrived ! Once he missed that opportunity and cash had to be reined in, he lost the plot/interest/whatever and we sank further into the mire... He was the worst since Branfoot IMO. I agree he wasnt the best but no way the worst since Branfoot! In terms of achievements, Wotte has the honour of being the worst simply by relegating us to League 1. As Mr Lowe says... 'Its a results based business' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 So is Wotte at Staplewood or in Egypt?? Anyone know!! Camels spotted in Marchwood yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Don't be ridiculous. The game was all but up when Wotte took over and administration delivered the coup de grace. If you want a bogey man other than Lowe look in JP's direction. Now there's your candidate for worst ever manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 don't be ridiculous. The game was all but up when wotte took over and administration delivered the coup de grace. If you want a bogey man other than lowe look in jp's direction. Now there's your candidate for worst ever manager. worst or most gullible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 worst or most gullible Probably both!! Totally out of his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Reading between the lines here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8101113.stm sounds like Wotte is fairly clear he is not going to be manager next season if Pinnacle complete the deal on Friday as planned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 What is the score on the confidentiality clauses now that the plc is dead? Can ex managers and players now speak out without fear of prosecution from Lowe and his cronies? Afterall, JP was quite scathing not long after he left about Wotte et al. Knowing Rupert he would take himself to court if he put himself down....You know what I mean:rolleyes: Most players/Managers get on with their lives after a while and think he is not worth it.....He is still talked about in most boot rooms and some think he will make it big in football one day.....I can see their point and think he could do a good job in the Tyro league...Only joking Rupert. You have got to start somewhere....Maybe JP and Wotte will start at Under 9 age group with you. Mind you JP will never trust them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Now there's your candidate for worst ever manager. Poortvliet surely has to be our worst manager ever (or at least in living memory). Whilst he was certainly more personable than Branfoot and came across better, I'm afraid I would even have to rate Branfoot above Poortvliet as Jan was just so out of his depth!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Poortvliet surely has to be our worst manager ever (or at least in living memory). Whilst he was certainly more personable than Branfoot and came across better, I'm afraid I would even have to rate Branfoot above Poortvliet as Jan was just so out of his depth!!!! I think JP comes accross as one of those managers that you would like to do well but never looked like getting close. The initial games looked promissing but he only had one trick and was soon found out. Not what anyone would expect of a manager in any of the top 4 leagues in the UK really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Yes JP was bad but he was playing to a youth policy that was instigated by Lowe and guess who else... WOTTE! All roads seen to somehow return to the good friends Mr Lowe and Mr Wotte. JP was pump but the youth policy restriction imposed on him from above was just stupid. What's reassuring is we all acknowledge Lowe's contribution. I just think people need to look holistically at Wotte's contribution and not just his performance as manager (which was pretty crap to be honest despite getting the restrictions of youth lifted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Yes JP was bad but he was playing to a youth policy that was instigated by Lowe and guess who else... WOTTE! All roads seen to somehow return to the good friends Mr Lowe and Mr Wotte. JP was pump but the youth policy restriction imposed on him from above was just stupid. What's reassuring is we all acknowledge Lowe's contribution. I just think people need to look holistically at Wotte's contribution and not just his performance as manager (which was pretty crap to be honest despite getting the restrictions of youth lifted). I totally agree that both Lowe and Wotte must also take their share of the blame. Lowe should never have appointed Poortvliet and should never have been involved in the footballing side. That was the fundamental mistake, appointing someone beyond their capability (he obviously didn't learn from his previous errors). And Wotte of course was a key player in the revolutionary Coaching Set Up in those early days, and whilst it was suggested Poortvliet had the final say you can rest assured that Wotte was right in the mix as well (along with Kim van Der Waals of course;)). I don't want to do a Wotte and hang Poortvliet out to dry, as the major problem lay with Lowe, but he really was awful!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Yes JP was bad but he was playing to a youth policy that was instigated by Lowe and guess who else... WOTTE! All roads seen to somehow return to the good friends Mr Lowe and Mr Wotte. JP was pump but the youth policy restriction imposed on him from above was just stupid. What's reassuring is we all acknowledge Lowe's contribution. I just think people need to look holistically at Wotte's contribution and not just his performance as manager (which was pretty crap to be honest despite getting the restrictions of youth lifted). ??? what are you on about? Lowe has had the youth policy idea for bloody years but couldnt get a manager to sign up to it. Dont see how you can pin it on Wotte who wasnt even mentioned as a possible manager for us till Redcrap left and Redcrap himself fliped Lowe the bird on playing the kids. feck knows what plannet you live on but I guess you must have loads of fun there. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 And Wotte of course was a key player in the revolutionary Coaching Set Up in those early days, and whilst it was suggested Poortvliet had the final say you can rest assured that Wotte was right in the mix as well (along with Kim van Der Waals of course;)). I don't want to do a Wotte and hang Poortvliet out to dry, as the major problem lay with Lowe, but he really was awful!!!!! I lay the blame totally at the numpty that insisted on playing one up front and trying to kid everyone we were playing three! The continuance of solely McG who is never a target man for 25 games was for me one of the main reasons we failed so abysmally. There were some shocking substitutions like bringing on Gillet v Sheff Weds when they were just hoofing it long....Gillet did his best but at 5ft didly squat he got beaten regularly and didn't surprise me when they equalised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Apparently Wotte was supposed to collect his things last Thursday but there was a hold up . Here is a translation from the post on the Egyptian clubs best fans site....http://www.elismaily.com/main/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4042 On Thursday as he was currently in England, he collected his belongings from the club Southampton in preparation for the return of the new Thursday Asmaeilih On the other hand, the Council will hold a meeting tomorrow may be the most important during the current period will be the discussion of all matters relating to the Fouta Balholndy Mark and the young director of the new candidate is Fathi Fawzi Gamal friend, or perhaps working with each other bilateral and new deals will be discussed, and so decided to postpone the extension of the technical start of the run to Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Apparently Wotte was supposed to collect his things last Thursday but there was a hold up . Here is a translation from the post on the Egyptian clubs best fans site....http://www.elismaily.com/main/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4042 On Thursday as he was currently in England, he collected his belongings from the club Southampton in preparation for the return of the new Thursday Asmaeilih On the other hand, the Council will hold a meeting tomorrow may be the most important during the current period will be the discussion of all matters relating to the Fouta Balholndy Mark and the young director of the new candidate is Fathi Fawzi Gamal friend, or perhaps working with each other bilateral and new deals will be discussed, and so decided to postpone the extension of the technical start of the run to Saturday Clear as mud that init lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 (edited) ........... Edited 16 June, 2009 by Master Bates tawt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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