SaintRichmond Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 He has given some the impression he didn't know what was going on all season.....I blame JP and Rupes for not trying to enlighten him about this beautiful game. Unfortunately ( for us), Old Claret Face knew nothing about the "Beautiful Game " ......... so Edam & Gouda were on a loser right from the start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 We we get any compensation? Three Camels and a Yak ............... Wives fetch at least Twenty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 quite respected by several players I hear. True ..... mind you, the other 39 can't stand the sight of him............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 Wotte did a good job wiith his eyes closed and his hands tied behind his back, I still think he gets more stick than deserved. I wish him the best, St Marco gives a good shout re: lowes errors past lives. One thing I am confussed about is it says they expect Wotte to be in Eygpt on Monday, he says he'll be at staplewood Monday. Just another Manic Monday .................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 Also means we need a new manager quick. Playerd are in on Monday and then properly next week, we need a manager asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 Wotte screws a fellow coach/manager? Surely not? Proving again what a complete moron and self involved w@nker he is. A fellow coach asks him for advice about working at one of Wotte's former clubs, and Wotte than picks up the phone and tries to steal that job away? No wonder that Mr. Chocolate has no friends in the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 The slate would be suitably clean then wouldnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 Bye. Thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 Good luck to the guy think its the best all round, clean slate and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 i see it is the done thing to hate wotte on here and call him a ****. no shocker really considering the type of fan we have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 Wotte is a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 ok why is wotte a ****...? a not very good manager maybe...but **** and all that goes with it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 Thank **** for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 ok why is wotte a ****...? a not very good manager maybe...but **** and all that goes with it..? He relegated us, convinced Lowe the total football experiment with kids would work and criticised the fans at the bidding of his former lord and master.... who still regards him as a friend apparently. Will that do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 He relegated us, convinced Lowe the total football experiment with kids would work and criticised the fans at the bidding of his former lord and master.... who still regards him as a friend apparently. Will that do? oh..so it was his fault that lowe went with him..and not lowes fault at all.. fans did not help last year at times and some agreed with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 oh..so it was his fault that lowe went with him..and not lowes fault at all.. fans did not help last year at times and some agreed with him Fans didnt help Lowe. And of course Lowe accepted his barking advice so it is Lowe's responsibility ultimately as Chairman. Still - seems it has finally worked out for the better. .... oh yeah and the other reason you have mentioned already... Wotte is a crap manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 Fans didnt help Lowe. And of course Lowe accepted his barking advice so it is Lowe's responsibility ultimately as Chairman. Still - seems it has finally worked out for the better. .... oh yeah and the other reason you have mentioned already... Wotte is a crap manager. so was poortvliet yet is he a ******..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 so was poortvliet yet is he a ******..? Yep. Nice but dim. Certainly helped screw us up quite fantastically last season along with his sidekick Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 Yep. Nice but dim. Certainly helped screw us up quite fantastically last season along with his sidekick Wotte. tio be fair..they are bot crap but what did you really expect with a far weaker squad than the season before...y'know that season where it took god to save us with 8 mins to go (with results out of our hands) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 tio be fair..they are bot crap but what did you really expect with a far weaker squad than the season before...y'know that season where it took god to save us with 8 mins to go (with results out of our hands) True... but not much weaker, we had internationals sitting back in the training ground whilst we paid their wages whilst the kids and Dutch duo embarrassed us. Anyway... Wotte's off and I have to say I believe that he will be the least missed manager since Branfoot by the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 He relegated us, convinced Lowe the total football experiment with kids would work and criticised the fans at the bidding of his former lord and master.... who still regards him as a friend apparently. Will that do? He relegated us? Really? You sure about that? Bugger all to do with the team that preformed so well the year before then? Or finances being so carp that most of the decent players we had left got loaned out or frozen out? Lowe has been trying to get his kids experiment up and running for years so I dont think it took much convincing from Wotte or anyone else. Ole saggy chops pointed that out years ago. He rightly critasised a small section of the fans and that rubbed other fans backs up the wrong way. Couldnt give a monkeys if he is friends or not with the rosey faced twwat. Ultimatly we are where we are for many more reasons than just Wotte being in charge. I think he would have done better had all the situations been different but dont think he would ever be spectacular. Good luck to the guy if he is off and thanks for trying. Hope the take over happens soon now and they get someone in ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 (edited) True... but not much weaker, we had internationals sitting back in the training ground whilst we paid their wages whilst the kids and Dutch duo embarrassed us. Anyway... Wotte's off and I have to say I believe that he will be the least missed manager since Branfoot by the fans. not much weaker...?? did our finances not dictate that we could not play rasiak etc..oh yes, we went into admin so it was all true in the end are you taking the ****?? you hate wotte more than redknapp??? Edited 13 June, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 I have some respect for Wotte, none for the other one you mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 I have some respect for Wotte, none for the other one you mention fair enough wotte tried his best and he/it was not good enough last year... to be fair, not many would have been good enough but to suggest the squad he had last season was "not much weaker" than the year before and that he will be missed as much as branfoot is a joke and shows up the stupid feeling among saints fans we still have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 He relegated us? Really? You sure about that? Bugger all to do with the team that preformed so well the year before then? Or finances being so carp that most of the decent players we had left got loaned out or frozen out? Lowe has been trying to get his kids experiment up and running for years so I dont think it took much convincing from Wotte or anyone else. Ole saggy chops pointed that out years ago. He rightly critasised a small section of the fans and that rubbed other fans backs up the wrong way. Couldnt give a monkeys if he is friends or not with the rosey faced twwat. Ultimatly we are where we are for many more reasons than just Wotte being in charge. I think he would have done better had all the situations been different but dont think he would ever be spectacular. Good luck to the guy if he is off and thanks for trying. Hope the take over happens soon now and they get someone in ASAP. Sorry mate but i don't buy it. Wotte had a far easier time of it then say Jan did. Hell Wotte got a champions league striker and various other players that Jan did not have, Wotte had the luxuary of playing whoever he wanted to. The harsh reality is he is a manager, his job is to get the team playing. That involves being able to motivate them and get them playing above themselves. When he took over only 1 player in my book improved and that was DMG, everyone else continued playing **** or got worse. Team performances wise in my view we got worse. I think i saw all but one of the games with him in charge and most of the time i left thinking we were **** or we were very lucky. Size being a fine example of that. He was employed with almost half a season in charge, having been here all season to get the team out of the mess we were in. He started that job 3 points away from safety, he left it 7 points from safety. So while Jan and the players deserve a lot of the blame Wotte is to blame for more simply because as i said he had a free reign of the players and was able to bring in people on loan, all of which contribute to the wage bill. After a loss players were out and about on the town remember? Would previous managers have allowed that? Remember what Pearson said after the BWP and Dyer scandal? So to place all the blame at Wotte's feet would be silly and untrue. But he is responsible for a large amount of it. He started his tenure by praising the board, specifically Lowe, telling us how great he was and how those who didn't want him there were "kids" and "Not real fans". How ironic that 6 months later that very man took the club into administartion and to its darkest period in its entire excistence hey? Maybe people had a case to be angry about all that? So many things as you say are at fault for our plight, but he failed and should of walked the last day of the season. Ironically didn't Jan say he was a **** or something? At least Jan has played in a world cup final, Wotte has done nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 shocker...manager praising his boss...lol also, who remembers arry having a pop at lowe about playing the kids on sky (ie, not praising his boss) and arry got roundly slated... i guess if the face fits you can say what you like as for jan playing in a world cup final...what the hell has that got to do with anything mourinho did not even play football at a decent level...fergie hardly reached the dizzy heights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the scud Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 At long last he has gone! may mean Dean Gorre will follow him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 I still believe he should have gone when Jan went. He didn't and then put his foot in it with his speech against the supporters. That said and even though he failed to turn it round and we got relegated. I feel he has shown some quality inthe way he continued after the season finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 Dutch coach Mark Wotte has agreed to a second spell in charge of last season’s Egyptian title contenders Ismaily. Brazilian Ricardo decided to leave the club last month, despite a successful season with the Dervishes, allowing for the return of Wotte after he briefly led the team in 2006 before departing for family reasons. "Wotte will arrive in Ismailia on Monday to finalize talks with the club," the club’s general manager Abdul-Rahman Anous told FilGoal.com. Wotte was in charge of troubled English side Southampton last season, but did not prevent them from being relegated to League One, essentially the third tier of English football It said could. It meant did. He could have prevented it, he didn't. That's the difference between fact and opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 Lets get Tisdale!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 i see it is the done thing to hate wotte on here and call him a ****. no shocker really considering the type of fan we have... No shocker considering what a fecking pig's ear he made of the whole season. We won three games, on a roll, what does he do? Employs the tactics of the Italian army combined with the vision of Stevie Wonder. Good riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 Like him or not, his professionalism was unquestionable. He did not leave the sinking ship. Good luck to him. So maybe you could explain why he was talking to Ismailythree weeks ago. Of course with everything being up in the air he has every right to sort his future out, but he was not going to go down with the ship he helped sink!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 He's been the one person over these dramatic past few months who has always been passionate about Saints and has given 100%. The man cares about this club which is more than can be said for almost every player or past manager we've had over the last few seasons. I'd still rather have another manager in, but would have liked to have seen him stay on as Academy director. Doesn't deserve this moronic abuse which he's been getting on here, but we should come to expect it from this board. Good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 Of course with everything being up in the air he has every right to sort his future out, but he was not going to go down with the ship he helped sink!!!!!!!! ummmm. Well I think you'll find he hasn't officially left yet, and he's often said he wants to stay at Saints if he is wanted. So your argument completely falls down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 (edited) Good luck to the guy think its the best all round, clean slate and all that Just hope the clean slate means no more Askam, Richards, Crouch, Corbett, McMeneny, et al, etc.. Edited 13 June, 2009 by SarniaSaint Spelt Crouch as Grouch LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 (edited) Sorry mate but i don't buy it. Wotte had a far easier time of it then say Jan did. Hell Wotte got a champions league striker and various other players that Jan did not have, Wotte had the luxuary of playing whoever he wanted to. Wotte might have had a better bunch of players to choose frm than JP but that doesnt mean the team was much better. On one hand he had a better choice but on the other he probably knew it was going to sink us faster financially. He must have known why players were benched previously. so the off the field antics would have ballenced out the restrictions in one wa or another IMO. I think he did better than JP though as he didnt just stick with 1 failing system and tried to make things happen. The harsh reality is he is a manager, his job is to get the team playing. That involves being able to motivate them and get them playing above themselves. When he took over only 1 player in my book improved and that was DMG, everyone else continued playing **** or got worse. agree with the 1st bit and even under the circumstance I think he could have done better. It was a rollor coaster ride for many of the players and it was pot luck if any were going to have a better game or not. I do wonder if he would have done better in this area had there not been the off the field pressures but not enough to want him to show us here. Team performances wise in my view we got worse. I think i saw all but one of the games with him in charge and most of the time i left thinking we were **** or we were very lucky. Size being a fine example of that. was it any different for the past 2 seasons? I dont think so and think each manager could hae done better He was employed with almost half a season in charge, having been here all season to get the team out of the mess we were in. He started that job 3 points away from safety, he left it 7 points from safety. FFS half the season he was in charge of the ******* acadamy! Historically thats like promoting some girl off the tills to run Sainsburys in Hedge End and having a go when it doesnt work out because she was at the company the whole year. well i know its not quite like that but come on. This seemless management thing is viewd as if he was the puppet master and JP just did everything he said. It was obvious once Wotte took over that there wasnt much about what JP did that he stuck with so apart from the guff the OS trotted out it ardly seemed too seemless. Also by your numbers there it seems we were actually 4 points worse off come the end of the season. How many points worse off were we with Pearson? Im not trying to compare them cause I think Pearson is the better manager but if Pearson took over and we were 3 points from safty and his results were taken into account would we have survived then? My point is the team under both managers under performed big style and it doesnt matter if there is a manager we love or a manager that we hate. So while Jan and the players deserve a lot of the blame Wotte is to blame for more simply because as i said he had a free reign of the players and was able to bring in people on loan, all of which contribute to the wage bill. After a loss players were out and about on the town remember? Would previous managers have allowed that? Remember what Pearson said after the BWP and Dyer scandal? Dont see how Wotte shoud get more of the blame on that one but cant argue about players twaating about. Wotte was week on that one and for what ever reason he let them out I would have had them running up and down sand dunes for the performances they put in. Pearson brought in allot of players too and during that time we piissed away the OD. So the next bunch of loans we got in stepped down a class. I do think it was a case of loaning every man and his dog and hope that we unearth a gem. That strikes me more of desperation than a solid plan though which goes to show what state he club as a whole was in. People can ****** all they want about Wotte or Lowe but the whole club has been screwed for years. lets hope the take over happens and the new owners can fix wht has been broke. So to place all the blame at Wotte's feet would be silly and untrue. But he is responsible for a large amount of it. He started his tenure by praising the board, specifically Lowe, telling us how great he was and how those who didn't want him there were "kids" and "Not real fans". How ironic that 6 months later that very man took the club into administartion and to its darkest period in its entire excistence hey? Maybe people had a case to be angry about all that? What manager new in a job doesnt praise the board that employed them? They would be a fool not too wouldnt they? I never heard him say how great Lowe was but maybe that was one of th cryptic messages that you read. You know the ones that say one thing but everyone says they mean something else? He didnt pick on those that didnt want Lowe here as that would have rounded up 99% of the fan base. He singled out the ones that were talking about not coming into the stadium to support the team of wich was a small group of people. He actually praised the "real fans" that came to games and gave support even when the team was arse and didnt deserve supporting. That very man you say? Mr Barcleys for putting us in admin? Wilde for never having the investment? Crouch for over spending? Lowe for too much to put in a short sentance? So many things as you say are at fault for our plight, but he failed and should of walked the last day of the season. Ironically didn't Jan say he was a **** or something? At least Jan has played in a world cup final, Wotte has done nothing.I wouldnt have complained if he had walked at the end of the season TBH. WGS just left Celtic cause he came 2nd so anyone getting relegated would expect the manager to walk. With so much about the saints uncertain though I think its fair to give the guy some credit for sticking about and making sure there is something to pass over to who ever the next guy is. Would Fry have sorted out Pre-season had Wotte walked? Dean Gorre maybe? How bout the fitness coach? Maybe Lowe could have come back and had a crack at it? I dont think Wotte did well but I get piissed off with the mud that gets slung at him when our club has been sinking for years. Its like this club is a pantoime and the only way some people are happy is if they have there villan to point the finger at. There is so much BS in there that I cant be bothered to argue with you. I doubt we will ever agree on much to do with past events so lets just hope that the future brings more we can all smile about and maybe even agree on a bit more. Edit: changed my mind and my answers in bold above. Edited 14 June, 2009 by saintjay77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 Wotte was a smart ass coach who thought that he and his system was the most important ingredient. He failed completely as a manager as he got nowhere near the best out of the players. He didn't do simple, which was to assess the players and play the formation that brought the best out of their combined abilities. The players didn't like or understand how to play the diamond and the lack of width blunted our sttack and left our defensive flanks wide open. The final verdict was relegation brought about by the combined arrogance of three people, Lowe, Portvliet and Wotte who knew better than the rest of football in this country. Good riddance to all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 He relegated us, convinced Lowe the total football experiment with kids would work and criticised the fans at the bidding of his former lord and master.... who still regards him as a friend apparently. Will that do? WRONG ........... Prior to the strat of the season, it was LOWE who had decided A) To ditch Pearson, because HE hadn't appointed him B) Announce to the world, that the Team would be basically the Academy Team C) Sell or loan out, any and all experienced Goalscorers D) Bring in Poortvliet and Wotte E) Adopt a Dutch Total Football concept In those circumstances, it would have taken a REALLY experienced Manager to have kept us in the CCC He may have relegated us, but IMHO, the seeds had been sown by Lowe's completely ridiculous decisions, which, above all else, demonstrated all too well, his TOTAL lack of Football understanding Simples ..........:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 Commission ...hahhahaha http://beta.filgoal.com/english/News.aspx?NewsID=56568 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 I hope Rupert didn't give him a commission clause in his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 All the best to you Mark, have everything crossed for you that you get this job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 Commission ...hahhahaha http://beta.filgoal.com/english/News.aspx?NewsID=56568 Just about sums Wotte up, had that been Harry Redknapp wanting these terms, this board would be in melt down. Still it gives us an insight as to why Lowe got on with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 you hate wotte more than redknapp??? I dont hate anyone. Redknapp failed, Wotte failed. Both relegated us. Both are on a par for various reasons. In terms of ability which one would I have as manager right now if the hypthetical choice presented itself? Redknapp for so so so many reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 WRONG ........... Prior to the strat of the season, it was LOWE who had decided A) To ditch Pearson, because HE hadn't appointed him B) Announce to the world, that the Team would be basically the Academy Team C) Sell or loan out, any and all experienced Goalscorers D) Bring in Poortvliet and Wotte E) Adopt a Dutch Total Football concept In those circumstances, it would have taken a REALLY experienced Manager to have kept us in the CCC He may have relegated us, but IMHO, the seeds had been sown by Lowe's completely ridiculous decisions, which, above all else, demonstrated all too well, his TOTAL lack of Football understanding Simples ..........:cool: Agreed - but certainly not wrong. Wotte convinced Lowe it could be done way before all this - in fact just before Burley's appointment. Wotte planted the seeds for this a long time ago in Rupert's mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 He relegated us? Really? You sure about that? Bugger all to do with the team that preformed so well the year before then? Or finances being so carp that most of the decent players we had left got loaned out or frozen out? Lowe has been trying to get his kids experiment up and running for years so I dont think it took much convincing from Wotte or anyone else. Ole saggy chops pointed that out years ago. He rightly critasised a small section of the fans and that rubbed other fans backs up the wrong way. Couldnt give a monkeys if he is friends or not with the rosey faced twwat. Ultimatly we are where we are for many more reasons than just Wotte being in charge. I think he would have done better had all the situations been different but dont think he would ever be spectacular. Good luck to the guy if he is off and thanks for trying. Hope the take over happens soon now and they get someone in ASAP. Wotte AND Redknapp both relegated Saints partly due to the circumstances that surrounded them. But both relegated us. That is a fact. Sorry, but all this being nice to Wotte as he has been a nice bloke lately nonsense is simply barking. A full expose of Wotte's ineptitude starts with him putting sweety mice into Lowe's head several years ago and finishes with his appalling tactics and inability to motivate a side EVENTUALLY reinforced with experience as a result of a club policy change. Sorry, but Wotte has contributed to Saints relegation in one way or another for quite a while. Let us all not forget that. Wotte will go down - along with Redknapp - as one of the worst managerial appointments in saints history. We are all forgetting what a genius the next manager is going to sound like when he takes over - compared to the crap Wotte has come up with. Nice bloke? Not so sure about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 Just about sums Wotte up, had that been Harry Redknapp wanting these terms, this board would be in melt down. Still it gives us an insight as to why Lowe got on with him. It probably gives an insight into what our future would have been under Lowe and Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 Wotte AND Redknapp both relegated Saints partly due to the circumstances that surrounded them. But both relegated us. That is a fact. Sorry, but all this being nice to Wotte as he has been a nice bloke lately nonsense is simply barking. A full expose of Wotte's ineptitude starts with him putting sweety mice into Lowe's head several years ago and finishes with his appalling tactics and inability to motivate a side EVENTUALLY reinforced with experience as a result of a club policy change. Sorry, but Wotte has contributed to Saints relegation in one way or another for quite a while. Let us all not forget that. Wotte will go down - along with Redknapp - as one of the worst managerial appointments in saints history. We are all forgetting what a genius the next manager is going to sound like when he takes over - compared to the crap Wotte has come up with. Nice bloke? Not so sure about that. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 Wotte AND Redknapp both relegated Saints partly due to the circumstances that surrounded them. But both relegated us. That is a fact. Sorry, but all this being nice to Wotte as he has been a nice bloke lately nonsense is simply barking. A full expose of Wotte's ineptitude starts with him putting sweety mice into Lowe's head several years ago and finishes with his appalling tactics and inability to motivate a side EVENTUALLY reinforced with experience as a result of a club policy change. Sorry, but Wotte has contributed to Saints relegation in one way or another for quite a while. Let us all not forget that. Wotte will go down - along with Redknapp - as one of the worst managerial appointments in saints history. We are all forgetting what a genius the next manager is going to sound like when he takes over - compared to the crap Wotte has come up with. Nice bloke? Not so sure about that. McMenemy also relegated us and then went on to manage the team through one of its most successful periods. I have to say your continual persecution of Wotte makes you appear a very sad individual indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 Agreed - but certainly not wrong. Wotte convinced Lowe it could be done way before all this - in fact just before Burley's appointment. Wotte planted the seeds for this a long time ago in Rupert's mind. Without splitting hairs, I would contend that Lowe NEVER did anything that HE Himself was convinced was the right thing to do ...... It was common knowledge that Jason Dodd for example thought Lowe's idea of going down the Youth Only route was sheer madness, and with only one conceivable outcome ..... which regrettably for Saints fans, proved all too correct Wotte/Poortvliet would have had no chance with their supposed Total Football concept, had it not been already in Lowe's mind .......... all Lowe looked at was that it was CHEAP to do .......... One Dutch duo for less than Pearson, plus relatively small wages for the Youth players, as opposed to our Mega Bucks earners, who were either sold or loaned Lowe's decisions had NOTHING to do with Football, just 1000% Business:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 14 June, 2009 Share Posted 14 June, 2009 McMenemy also relegated us and then went on to manage the team through one of its most successful periods. I have to say your continual persecution of Wotte makes you appear a very sad individual indeed. Really ???? Sorry you feel that way ........I'm sad as well .... I'm sad at the way Lowe virtually destroyed OUR CLUB Persecution ??? ...... He deserves every word as far as I am concerned .... As a matter of fact my friend, to quote your words ..... I am "very sad" that some people still cannot see what he has done to Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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