what happens if Pinacle/MLT retain Wotte as manager

[saintjay77]

it's an academic arguement.If Pinnacle come through, Wotte won't be first team manager.

 

If they come through with like a week before the new season starts do you think they will change the manager then?

 

I dont think there are many reasons as to why they would keep him but I also dont think there are many reasons to think they will takeover sooner rather than later either.

[Window Cleaner]

If they come through with like a week before the new season starts do you think they will change the manager then?

 

I dont think there are many reasons as to why they would keep him but I also dont think there are many reasons to think they will takeover sooner rather than later either.

 

If they don't come through by next Friday they will be cast aside and thanks a lot for the deposit.As I say it's an academic arguement.

[wightman35]

Although M. Wotte's results were not much worse than N.Pearson's, (and a lot of forum posters were keen on keeping Nigel) Most supporters considered Wotte to be weak on tactics and adapting to situations; eg lone striker or no width.

I will be grateful to have a team to support next season and if the PROSPECTIVE new owners think MW is the man then so be it- it is their money until we buy our tickets.

With minus too many points we need to get off to a flying start and score a sackful of goals without the leakages of the last few years. Might be best if MW reverts to Youth Team Coach.

[NickG]

are you championing Wotte ahead of PT now Nick?????

 

now you come to mention it,think it would be worth giving this Tisdale bloke a go?

[NickG]

for those who think its too late,Pearson wasn't at Leicester yet, this time last year.

[saintjay77]

for those who think its too late,Pearson wasn't at Leicester yet, this time last year.

 

only difference was that leicester kept there team intact. we will have lost a fair few by the time the seasons starts and the longer it takes to get a takeover the less time there is to sort out possible playing staff.

 

will be nice to have a team to support but IMO the longer things go on undecided the more chance there is of playing League 2 football the season after next.

[saintjay77]

If they don't come through by next Friday they will be cast aside and thanks a lot for the deposit.As I say it's an academic arguement.

 

Mr Fry has put deadlines back several times before so legal or not I dont hold much hope that next Friday will see anything more than a further week of talks.

[krissyboy31]

Mr Fry has put deadlines back several times before so legal or not I dont hold much hope that next Friday will see anything more than a further week of talks.

 

I don't think he can do that. If the deal is not done by then, then Pinnacle lose their exclusivity and it's all back in the melting pot.

[Give it to Ron]

only difference was that leicester kept there team intact. we will have lost a fair few by the time the seasons starts and the longer it takes to get a takeover the less time there is to sort out possible playing staff.

 

will be nice to have a team to support but IMO the longer things go on undecided the more chance there is of playing League 2 football the season after next.

 

I have seen that posted a couple of times and didn't believe it ...here is a post from Um Pahars that goes someway to disprove the fact they kept there side together.

 

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So Pearson would have got the players in the Saints squad to play better.......fantasy land I'm afraid... Leicester have money, which is why they've got promotion, its that simple,

And you'l get the same reply you got when you popped up last time

 

 

 

This is what I found out when I looked at the team Pearson put out a couple of months ago:

 

Here's his side today:

 

4 loanees

 

11 of the squad are 23 or under (7 are 20 or under)

 

Martin - 23 (on loan)

Gilbert - 21 (on loan)

Morrison - 20 (new in)

Hobbs - 20 (on loan)

Berner - 31 (new in)

Oakley - 31

Andy King - 20

Cleverley - 19 (on loan)

Dyer - 26 (new in)

Fryatt - 22

Howard - 32

 

Subs:

Pentney - No age or data (but young)

Chambers - 18

Gradel - 21

Mattock - 18

Dickov - 134

[derry]

If Wotte is manager, season ticket sales will not take off, the results will be mixed because the football will be poor as the players don't like the system and gates will fall.

 

The season will be wasted and Wotte will get fired by Christmas.

 

I think the new owners would be mad to keep him on.

[trousers]

If Wotte is manager, season ticket sales will not take off, the results will be mixed because the football will be poor as the players don't like the system and gates will fall.

 

The season will be wasted and Wotte will get fired by Christmas.

 

I think the new owners would be mad to keep him on.

 

Nail. Head.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Wotte could not inspire Saints to beat many teams who had nothing to play for towards the end of last season and the tactics seemed to be hoofing it long ball. There are many better managers who know players in this league and lower leagues who would do a better job. Anyone who comes out with quotes about Ryan Smith having world class skills is a fool.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Wotte could not inspire Saints to beat many teams who had nothing to play for towards the end of last season and the tactics seemed to be hoofing it long ball. There are many better managers who know players in this league and lower leagues who would do a better job. Anyone who comes out with quotes about Ryan Smith having world class skills is a fool.

Agreed 100%, and why are people banging on about him running the youth. All the young players (save for Lloyd James) seemed to get worse, the longer he coached them. Lallana went backwards rapidly as did Morgan S. I keep seeing people saying he works well with youth, on what evidence? He's hardly the next Dave Merrington or George Prost.

[Stax]

I can't believe the new owners will not want to emply their own manager. Having spent Millions aquiring the club it would strike me as odd if they didn't have a plan of action. To simply stick with a manager that doesn't work would be getting off to a bad start.

 

True i would be amazed if they carried on with Wotte he was rubbish i expect the new board have a very small short list of 1 possibly 2 new managers.

[Dark Munster]

I'll support whoever the manager is

 

Even Saggy chops?

[saintjay77]

I have seen that posted a couple of times and didn't believe it ...here is a post from Um Pahars that goes someway to disprove the fact they kept there side together.

 

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So Pearson would have got the players in the Saints squad to play better.......fantasy land I'm afraid... Leicester have money, which is why they've got promotion, its that simple,

And you'l get the same reply you got when you popped up last time

 

 

 

This is what I found out when I looked at the team Pearson put out a couple of months ago:

 

Here's his side today:

 

4 loanees

 

11 of the squad are 23 or under (7 are 20 or under)

 

Martin - 23 (on loan)

Gilbert - 21 (on loan)

Morrison - 20 (new in)

Hobbs - 20 (on loan)

Berner - 31 (new in)

Oakley - 31

Andy King - 20

Cleverley - 19 (on loan)

Dyer - 26 (new in)

Fryatt - 22

Howard - 32

 

Subs:

Pentney - No age or data (but young)

Chambers - 18

Gradel - 21

Mattock - 18

Dickov - 134

 

Fair enough. I didnt realise they got so many in as I didnt pay too much attention to them.

 

Do you know when Pearson took over there and how long he had to asseble the team though? I think thats my only worry about getting in someone new for this season. I cant realisticly see the take over being completed and a new manager in and still have a decent run at getting a squad together. If the new owners were in control tomorrow and appointed a new guy by Monday then great. He would be here for the pre-fitness tests and could have a decent chance to assess what he has, try and get the out of contract players he wants to sign up for another season and still have time to bring in fresh faces.

 

But say the new lot are not in for another 4 weeks, just getting a squad together might be hard enough and its at this point I would understand if Wotte gets the nod for the coming season.

 

I would hate to see our new massiah be brought in only to have his hands tied by time and resources, have a shiite 6 months and get the boot before he could have a fair crack at it. Let Wotte be the boot boy and get shafted when we dont do well. Our messiah can come in then and cant lose. damage done before him and he has the Jan transfer window to try and sort things out.

 

So if the takeover happens soon then im all for making the change and moving forward. I have only been suggesting Wotte as a last min scape goat.

[Give it to Ron]

Fair enough. I didnt realise they got so many in as I didnt pay too much attention to them.

 

Do you know when Pearson took over there and how long he had to asseble the team though? I think thats my only worry about getting in someone new for this season. I cant realisticly see the take over being completed and a new manager in and still have a decent run at getting a squad together. If the new owners were in control tomorrow and appointed a new guy by Monday then great. He would be here for the pre-fitness tests and could have a decent chance to assess what he has, try and get the out of contract players he wants to sign up for another season and still have time to bring in fresh faces.

 

But say the new lot are not in for another 4 weeks, just getting a squad together might be hard enough and its at this point I would understand if Wotte gets the nod for the coming season.

 

I would hate to see our new massiah be brought in only to have his hands tied by time and resources, have a shiite 6 months and get the boot before he could have a fair crack at it. Let Wotte be the boot boy and get shafted when we dont do well. Our messiah can come in then and cant lose. damage done before him and he has the Jan transfer window to try and sort things out.

 

So if the takeover happens soon then im all for making the change and moving forward. I have only been suggesting Wotte as a last min scape goat.

 

I think he came in late June around the 20th. So depending how many we lose...say 5 with 5 decent additions which is what I think we need, right back, mobile midfield ball winner, pacey winger , big target man and central defender we will be able to make up the 10 point gap to get in the play offs.

If Wotte carries on then we will struggle again IMO.

[L1Minus10]

Yes, 100%

 

Isn't going to happen though

[um pahars]

Fair enough. I didnt realise they got so many in as I didnt pay too much attention to them.

 

It's not that difficult to find out about, Leicester didn't manage to impose a media blackout on their players and their appearances.

 

Before trotting out stuff as fact, particularly if you "didn't pay too much attention to them", you could always go and do some digging.

 

Do you know when Pearson took over there and how long he had to asseble the team though?

 

20th June. Just type in "Pearson apponted Leicester".

 

So if our new owners get their act together and pull this off they could appoint the new man at about the same time for this season.

 

I think thats my only worry about getting in someone new for this season..................... ................... ........................ ..................

 

I'm sorry, but the idea we go with Wotte in preference to a better manager just because Wotte will have a longer pre season is IMHO absurd.

 

I'm sure having a longer pre season would be of benefit to the new guy, but if that is not possible the he will just have to make do. I really can't think of one scenario where I'd go for the worse option, even if the new guy didn't rock up until the opening game of the season.

[Danny R]

I certainly will. If we can play anything like the way we played against Burnley then we should be fine. It may be better to have a bit of continuity for the players this season and then look at possible options.

[St Marco]

If the deal goes through which fingers crossed it will then Wotte will probably be fired. The guy doesn't deserve the job nor a job of this level. I have no doubt that MLT saw what all of us saw last season under Wottes team, specifically the performances at games vs Sheff Weds etc..

 

However if by some miracle he manages to keep his job then he is the one who needs to prove himself not the fans. We all supported the team and supported both Jan and Wotte last season. But at the end of it all he failed, and failed miserably, at no point did he looklike changing our fortunes. So for me it would all depend on what happen's on the pitch, the players and Wotte need to earn our support, something neither have done for a longtime.

[saintjay77]

It's not that difficult to find out about, Leicester didn't manage to impose a media blackout on their players and their appearances.

 

Before trotting out stuff as fact, particularly if you "didn't pay too much attention to them", you could always go and do some digging.

 

 

 

20th June. Just type in "Pearson apponted Leicester".

 

So if our new owners get their act together and pull this off they could appoint the new man at about the same time for this season.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but the idea we go with Wotte in preference to a better manager just because Wotte will have a longer pre season is IMHO absurd.

 

I'm sure having a longer pre season would be of benefit to the new guy, but if that is not possible the he will just have to make do. I really can't think of one scenario where I'd go for the worse option, even if the new guy didn't rock up until the opening game of the season.

 

Calm down, I never intentionally trot anything out as fact. christ I get my own name wrong most of the time so forgive me for suggesting something that is a load of guff

 

My opinion for what its worth, is no more than my opinion, I dont think anyone takes what I say as anything more than that and I am far from a self proffessed ITK so I will happily put my hands up if I get things wrong.

 

I agree about the time frame, if its all done and dusted by the end of this month then a new manager should have plenty of time to get things right for the coming season.

 

Anyone coming in last minute will have to preform miracles though if they want to still be manager by the end of the season IMO. The out of contract players that suggest they want to stay will find other clubs the longer the non-takeover takes. We wont be able to bring in fresh faces untill the take over happens and we know who the manager is going to be. There are only so many loans that can play in each game I think so we will have a mix of the chuff that is left and the last min loans that fail to get into other naff teams. I just dont see how the new manager would have much chance of reversing the -10 points let alone makeing the season look like we achieved anything. The longer it goes on the longer Wotte will have prepared whats left of the squad for the coming season. He will already have in mind how the team will play and will probably know who he wants to bring in to make that team work as soon as he gets the go ahead. I honestly dont have much faith in him or the team doing anything spectacular but safty would be the achievable target IMO.

 

I want anyone new to have as much chance as possible to make things work. If he is in soon then brilliant, crack on and set out the plan to get us safe. hopefully push for a playoff spot so we can stick one up lord whats his face.

 

I just think timing is the key to next season and our targets could well change depending on when things happen regarding the takeover.

[um pahars]

Calm down, I never intentionally trot anything out as fact. christ I get my own name wrong most of the time so forgive me for suggesting something that is a load of guff

 

I just found it rather amusing how your main thrust was that Leicester had kept their team intact, only then to say "actually I didn't pay to much attention to them";)

 

Anyone coming in last minute will have to preform miracles though if they want to still be manager by the end of the season IMO.

 

I do think you're being somewhat pessimistic there (unless the new board appoint a joke like Poortvliet!!!) and although coming in late will make the job slightly harder, I just don't see Wotte as being able to do anything even if he has all pre season, given what we have seen of him.

 

Even if this drags on to the start of the season and Fry is still in charge, then I reckon he would be up for pushing Wotte to the background and bringing in someone better.

[saintjay77]

I just found it rather amusing how your main thrust was that Leicester had kept their team intact, only then to say "actually I didn't pay to much attention to them";)

 

 

 

I do think you're being somewhat pessimistic there (unless the new board appoint a joke like Poortvliet!!!) and although coming in late will make the job slightly harder, I just don't see Wotte as being able to do anything even if he has all pre season, given what we have seen of him.

 

Even if this drags on to the start of the season and Fry is still in charge, then I reckon he would be up for pushing Wotte to the background and bringing in someone better.

 

I presumed the team stayed together and didnt go and check at the time to see who Pearson was bringing in or dropping. Should have had a look before I made comment but it doesnt really matter. It made sence at the time lol.

 

I might be being over cautious. I just think that if someone like Tisdale gets a shot he could do without as much extra baggage as possible so the sooner he comes in the better. I wouldnt like him to carry the can and lose his job because he didnt have a fair crack at it.

 

Can the administrator do that by the way? Not really thought about that option as I thought we would either be sold or fold.

[Professor]

will you support it..??

 

If Wotte is appointed the new owner(s)/ board / chairman will have their reasons for doing so, their decision being based on facts, some of which will not available to the average fan. Equally, if they decide not to, that will also be a decision based on facts, not on predudice.

What is so depressing is that some fans seem to think that they are experts on running a football club, despite the fact that most of them have done nothing more than kick a ball in a park with jumpers as goal posts.

Whoever is appointed. how about giving him a few months to show what he can do before beginning the carping, even before the guy is in the job.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

If Wotte is appointed the new owner(s)/ board / chairman will have their reasons for doing so, their decision being based on facts, some of which will not available to the average fan. Equally, if they decide not to, that will also be a decision based on facts, not on predudice.

What is so depressing is that some fans seem to think that they are experts on running a football club, despite the fact that most of them have done nothing more than kick a ball in a park with jumpers as goal posts.

Whoever is appointed. how about giving him a few months to show what he can do before beginning the carping, even before the guy is in the job.

The people recently running Saints have not exactly been experts have they?

Football is all about opinions and this is a fans message board where people post them on.

No one is saying they wont give the new manager a chance. Most people have stated doubts about Wotte's managerial record and the football served up towards the end of season.

[ottery st mary]

If Wotte is appointed the new owner(s)/ board / chairman will have their reasons for doing so, their decision being based on facts, some of which will not available to the average fan. Equally, if they decide not to, that will also be a decision based on facts, not on predudice.

What is so depressing is that some fans seem to think that they are experts on running a football club, despite the fact that most of them have done nothing more than kick a ball in a park with jumpers as goal posts.

Whoever is appointed. how about giving him a few months to show what he can do before beginning the carping, even before the guy is in the job.

 

You are one arrogant so and so....Course we are all experts...Most of us did learn our trade on the rec with jumpers as goalposts.....That is our grounding and that is why most of us have such strong knowledgeable opinions.

 

Most of us can also see second best as well.:mad:.

 

You supported Rupes, JP and Wotte..Look where it got us...Thankfully most of us knew from early on that all four of you were not up to it.

 

Yes you have been arrogant throughout your postings...Looking down on us experts.

[Mole]

Forest away on the last day said it all about Wottes ability. In the second half the players had absolutely no desire to win and give the thousands of Saints fans a concelation victory. Wotte might well be a dictator, but he doesn't inspire and he doesn't command respect.

[ottery st mary]

I have never heard so much crap. The only reason Wotte will be manager is if they cannot get in the / or a candidate they want. What possibly could happen is because of the very late timing, Wotte may be in charge for the short term waiting for a suitable candidate to be available. If for any reason Wotte gets an extended run and does well I imagine his chances of retaining the job would become a lot higher. So at the present time it looks as though the only way Wotte would be here in the long term is if he were successful, now there would be a terrible dilemma for the muppets.

 

 

One of the real muppets speaks....Loweys muppets.....You and the prof are one of a kind.....Why do you always berate us wonderful fans....Not a real supporter of Saints but a Lowe down muppet...

[um pahars]

Whoever is appointed. how about giving him a few months to show what he can do .

 

Appointed January, relegated in May.

 

Or are you suggesting we give the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up even more time.

 

Then again you were all up for giving Poortvliet more time;)

 

people like Wes have been telling us constantly that JP is not up to the job and his team could not compete in the CCC. Already shown to be wrong on both counts. .

[mack rill]

will you support it..??

 

Edam and Dutch Passion half price in the club store

There you go MB!,,,,,the new cheese Plant.:cool:

[wild-saint]

Mlt has already spoken to 4 people about the job. Lighten up we will have a new manager once the bid is completed. Wotte will have some role but not manager

[Saint Charlie]

Mlt has already spoken to 4 people about the job. Lighten up we will have a new manager once the bid is completed. Wotte will have some role but not manager

 

Hey Wild-saint, thanks for the update. If Dowie is one, any idea of the others?

 

Im guessing MLT cannot approach a manager of another club legally as a Saints representative. But he could have had "a word" I guess.

 

Anyone you would guess as an early favourite? Hope one of the 4 was Tisdale!

Edited 13 June, 2009 by Saint Charlie

[trousers]

What is so depressing is that some fans seem to think that they are experts on running a football club, despite the fact that most of them have done nothing more than kick a ball in a park with jumpers as goal posts.

 

Ouch, that's a bit harsh on Lowe IMHO.

[thorpie the sinner]

KK for me!

[up and away]

Originally Posted by up and away

I have never heard so much crap. The only reason Wotte will be manager is if they cannot get in the / or a candidate they want. What possibly could happen is because of the very late timing, Wotte may be in charge for the short term waiting for a suitable candidate to be available. If for any reason Wotte gets an extended run and does well I imagine his chances of retaining the job would become a lot higher. So at the present time it looks as though the only way Wotte would be here in the long term is if he were successful, now there would be a terrible dilemma for the muppets.

One of the real muppets speaks....Loweys muppets.....You and the prof are one of a kind.....Why do you always berate us wonderful fans....Not a real supporter of Saints but a Lowe down muppet...

 

On your basis, I doubt you could label anyone who goes to a game as a supporter, ie someone who actually goes to games and buys tickets. Just someone who fits your myopic view. What's brought this spurt on, had your sofa reupholstered or has Crouch had an enema and you can't get used to the light?

 

I have no preference whether the new owners keep Wotte or bring in someone new, it is their decision. They are spending the money to get us out of the sheite and actually keep the club in existence. But it will not be altering my position if they have not been lucky in their search and Wotte ends up in charge.

[ottery st mary]

On your basis, I doubt you could label anyone who goes to a game as a supporter, ie someone who actually goes to games and buys tickets. Just someone who fits your myopic view. What's brought this spurt on, had your sofa reupholstered or has Crouch had an enema and you can't get used to the light?

 

I have no preference whether the new owners keep Wotte or bring in someone new, it is their decision. They are spending the money to get us out of the sheite and actually keep the club in existence. But it will not be altering my position if they have not been lucky in their search and Wotte ends up in charge.

 

 

You are so very rude .

[Legod Third Coming]

The football we have played in the last three years has been awful. It culminated in Wotte's awful diamond formation. The systems we employed last year played a major part in our relegation. This was down to the two coaches.

 

Wotte is a smart ass coach that doesn't do "simple". What we need is a "manager" first and foremost that believes in keeping it simple.

 

Play a wide 4-4-2 with a high tempo and we will do well. Wotte is not the man to do this.

 

Amen.

[TheMidfieldGeneral]

Shearer was in SO`TON with Le Tiss all week.... coincidence???

[saints triumph]

I think we would have to back their judgement, the days of petty squabbling have to be over!! saying that, I don't there's a cat in hells chance that wotte will be manager, his contract reverts to academy on July 1st anyway!!

yes

[Matthew Le God]

Shearer was in SO`TON with Le Tiss all week.... coincidence???

 

How do you know this?