Jump to content

Who is inviting who here !

Kingsland Red

By Kingsland Red,
in The Saints

 Share

Recommended Posts

70's Mike

70's Mike

Posted
Posted

I have made no secret of the fact that i want all connections with Lowe completely cut but on this occasion and having many Dutch friends i think what Wotte said and what he meant is lost in a lack of command of the english language.

the word "invite" is often used when they mean "welcome"

his comments he the fans during the protest were politically driven , this , imo, is just bad use of the language

Link to comment
Share on other sites
miserableoldgit

miserableoldgit

Posted
Posted
New Manager/Coach very soon....Wotte in Holland spouting a few throw away remarks does not impress me at all...Good luck to him wherever he goes soon...hopefully.

 

How soon some of you forget there is no evidence whatsoever of him being a good coach...Look what he did ever since he arrived with his co coach JP and his Dof F Rupes.

 

Sorry..... I have kept the side running during the summer holiday....does not wash with

me. He has not really achieved from day one. The players like him ...what a load of baloney.

What`s going on Ottery? This was almost coherent!

Link to comment
Share on other sites
um pahars

um pahars

Posted
Posted
strangely enough his record was as good if not better than NP's with a poorer squad. just shows stats are not always a good guide.

 

no one will let that get in the way of the hate

 

Pearson

 

13 games = 16 points

 

1.23 points per game (57 points over a season, 15th & mid table)

 

 

Wotte

 

18 games = 19 points

 

1.06 points per game

 

 

Interesting;)

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

Posted
Posted
But getting back to the OP, I think that this is more to do with the language barrier than Wotte being bumptious.

 

I think he really means if MLT wants to help the club then we should welcome him.

 

 

Yep, I agree UmP. But still don't want to see his awful tactics and results at SMS next season thanks - if anyone can cement us a L1 place, its Wotte. IMO.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
um pahars

um pahars

Posted
Posted
Yep, I agree UmP. But still don't want to see his awful tactics and results at SMS next season thanks - if anyone can cement us a L1 place, its Wotte. IMO.

 

I absolutely agree on that one.

 

After his contributions last season, firstly to the Revolutionary Coaching Set up and then secondly at the helm on his own, then I have to say I don't want him anywhere near the first team.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
St Marco

St Marco

Posted
Posted

What gets me is everytime this guy talks he talks like he knows best etc like his opinion holds a lot of value.....Hang on but er who are you and Wotte have you done exactly?

He played football for a whopping 6 years making an amazing 4 apperances for Feyenoord, then 69 for the mighty SVV, 2 years before they went out of business....Awesome football career there then. Hell Gasmi has a better career then he did!

As a manager started at Ado Den Haag, 1st season gets team relegated. Next season in division 2 finishes 8th, gets fired.

Gets appointed manager at FC Lisse who are an amateur team in the amateur Hoofdklasse league, the lowest league in dutch football (equivelent to our non league football league, however teams dont get promoted to the main leagues in holland you need a license). 1st season finishes 2nd and in 2nd season also finishes 2nd.

Gets re-appointed manager of Ado Den Haag. In 1st season finishes 8th once more in the 2nd division. In his 2nd season finishes 10th in the second division. Gets fired for 2nd time.

Then gets offered job at FC Utrecht and finishes 12th. Lower then the team finished in previous season. Gets fired.

Then gets given job at FC Den Bosch. Finishes last, gets team relegated. Gets fired.

Next job comes at Willem II. In 1st season finishes 11th. Same position as the team finished the year before his arrival. In his 2nd season makes a bit of improvement and finishes 7th. gets fired.

Next takes on the job at Ismaily in Egypt finishing 3rd. Leaves job after only a few months.

Gets job at RKC Waalwijk. 1st season in charge finishes 2nd to bottom, gets relegated. gets fired.

Next takes on job at Al-Ahli in Quatar. Interestingly there are no stats available for this reign. What is known is that he didn't last a year.

Then joins Southampton FC as a coach. Moves up to manager half way through season. Finishes season 2nd to bottom, relegated. But not fired.

 

So by my count that makes his highest ever finish 7th but that was once. He managed to not get any teams promoted and was relegated 4 times. Considering he managed 10 teams (7 professional) getting relegated 4 times is pretty bad, that is like a 40% relegation ratio. He has not remained in a job for longer then 2 years having been fired at that point in every job that has lasted that long.

 

So as i said i do find it funny him talking like his opinion holds value. For someone who just got his 4th club in 10 jobs relegated of course he would call for stability, of course he would call for continuity etc etc. Because he knows if it was anyone else he would of been out on his ass at the final kick of the season.

A really awful manager who hopefully will not be at this club in a few weeks.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
trousers

trousers

Posted
Posted

Why is Wotte the only member of the current Football Club management team that has spoken to the media since the Football Club's holding company went into administration at the beginning of April?

 

Why hasn't the Football Club board (Tointon or Jones) uttered a single word for over two months? The Football Club is supposed to be running on a BAU basis until it is sold off as an asset of the holding company. Why isn't it acting as such?

 

(no doubt I will get fed up of asking this question one of these days)

Link to comment
Share on other sites
trousers

trousers

Posted
Posted
guess the Wotte comments are when people contact him and he is relaxed enough to speak, those more from the business/legal/financial side are more guarded.

 

Still think odd update would be nice!

 

I'm sure the Football League are interested in why the Football Club board are so inconspicuous.....

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

Posted
Posted
What gets me is everytime this guy talks he talks like he knows best etc like his opinion holds a lot of value.....Hang on but er who are you and Wotte have you done exactly?

He played football for a whopping 6 years making an amazing 4 apperances for Feyenoord, then 69 for the mighty SVV, 2 years before they went out of business....Awesome football career there then. Hell Gasmi has a better career then he did!

As a manager started at Ado Den Haag, 1st season gets team relegated. Next season in division 2 finishes 8th, gets fired.

Gets appointed manager at FC Lisse who are an amateur team in the amateur Hoofdklasse league, the lowest league in dutch football (equivelent to our non league football league, however teams dont get promoted to the main leagues in holland you need a license). 1st season finishes 2nd and in 2nd season also finishes 2nd.

Gets re-appointed manager of Ado Den Haag. In 1st season finishes 8th once more in the 2nd division. In his 2nd season finishes 10th in the second division. Gets fired for 2nd time.

Then gets offered job at FC Utrecht and finishes 12th. Lower then the team finished in previous season. Gets fired.

Then gets given job at FC Den Bosch. Finishes last, gets team relegated. Gets fired.

Next job comes at Willem II. In 1st season finishes 11th. Same position as the team finished the year before his arrival. In his 2nd season makes a bit of improvement and finishes 7th. gets fired.

Next takes on the job at Ismaily in Egypt finishing 3rd. Leaves job after only a few months.

Gets job at RKC Waalwijk. 1st season in charge finishes 2nd to bottom, gets relegated. gets fired.

Next takes on job at Al-Ahli in Quatar. Interestingly there are no stats available for this reign. What is known is that he didn't last a year.

Then joins Southampton FC as a coach. Moves up to manager half way through season. Finishes season 2nd to bottom, relegated. But not fired.

 

So by my count that makes his highest ever finish 7th but that was once. He managed to not get any teams promoted and was relegated 4 times. Considering he managed 10 teams (7 professional) getting relegated 4 times is pretty bad, that is like a 40% relegation ratio. He has not remained in a job for longer then 2 years having been fired at that point in every job that has lasted that long.

 

So as i said i do find it funny him talking like his opinion holds value. For someone who just got his 4th club in 10 jobs relegated of course he would call for stability, of course he would call for continuity etc etc. Because he knows if it was anyone else he would of been out on his ass at the final kick of the season.

A really awful manager who hopefully will not be at this club in a few weeks.

 

 

Great post that reveals the utter madness of Lowe's experiment. Thanks for posting that - it should remind us all that Wotte is nowhere near qualified to ensure Saints survival in L1, let alone mount a serious challenge to escaping back to the CCC. Leave Wotte in place = more failure and another probable relegation.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bailey

Bailey

Posted
Posted

Sounding increasingly like Wotte is going to remain at Saints, but I very much doubt it'll be as Head Coach. Maybe he'll return to his role as Academy Director, but I'm pretty sure that Pinnacle/MLT will want to bring their own man in.

 

Ideally I'd opt for a clean sweep and be rid of anything with links to Lowe et al, but the way that Wotte has conducted himself in the off-season means that he should get a bit of credit. I wouldn't be totally against him returning to his role with the Academy, but in an ideal world I'd thank him for his efforts and let him move on.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
saintjay77

saintjay77

Posted
Posted
I think loads of managers could of kept us up...why...because not many would of continued with a stupid 1 up front for 25 games!!!

Wotte was here from the start of the season he was part of the championed management team and not here just from January. He was part of the setup that bought in 7 shocking loans.

 

As for his Dutch career here are 2 articles that prove otherwise as to highly regarded.

 

http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/feyenoord-where-did-it-go-wrong.html

Someone appointed former youth player Mark Wotte as technical director. Why? Nobody knows. Wotte was a mediocre coach at mediocre clubs. Didn’t have any management experience at all. Still, he was in charge of building a new Feyenoord, with Ruud Gullit. I don’t know how many players came from how many different countries, but at the end of the day, Wotte/Gullit failed. Miserably. Ebi Smolarek was told to leave (he went to Borussia Dortmund where he had a sensational season),

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/dutch-manager-lined-up-by-saints-520362.html

Sources say Wotte was unpopular at Feyenoord and some at the club were happy to see him go. He has been blamed for their failings, with many of the players he has brought in not living up to expectation. Wotte is not regarded as a coach of any great ability but will fit into the structure planned by Lowe and Woodward.

 

I doubt many at coventry had many nice things to say about WGS when they got relegated too.

 

Not saying Wotte is in the same league or in fact any good but anyone that doesnt bring sucess is going to get a slating from someone. Wotte for some reason has been respected enough to be given some of these jobs so either he talks agood talk in an interview or people see enough in him to think he could do a good job.

 

I will support whoever is manager next season but if the new lot get in and decide to use Wotte to see us through a nothing season then I will understand. I would expect that they would then bring in the manager that they see taking us forward though. And barring Wotte getting us an automatic promotion I wouldnt want him here for any more than the coming season.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Gemmel

Gemmel

Posted
Posted
Not saying Wotte is in the same league or in fact any good but anyone that doesnt bring sucess is going to get a slating from someone. Wotte for some reason has been respected enough to be given some of these jobs so either he talks agood talk in an interview or people see enough in him to think he could do a good job.

 

That will be lowe then

Link to comment
Share on other sites
saintjay77

saintjay77

Posted
Posted
That will be lowe then

 

was thinking more that he got a job with feyenord and the national team (under 21's i think?). I wouldnt expect that kind of job goes to a no-body so either they were duped (and Lowe was on the back of that) or someone saw something in him that he has yet to follow through with?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

Posted
Posted

 

So as i said i do find it funny him talking like his opinion holds value. For someone who just got his 4th club in 10 jobs relegated of course he would call for stability, of course he would call for continuity etc etc. Because he knows if it was anyone else he would of been out on his ass at the final kick of the season.

A really awful manager who hopefully will not be at this club in a few weeks.

 

Thanks for taking the time to research that and it sort of backs up what I was trying to say far better than quotes from newspapers/blogs.

His stats prove that he is bloody useless yet we still have people on here saying give him another chance.....why?

He can't cut it, he may be a nice guy and charm his way through life but as a manager he has a shocking record. He will state the bleeding obvious and add all the fan friendly rhetoric that some will swallow but look at his record proves he is useless.

To move on we need better managers than him, we need to recognise in this club that its the most important role here not the chairman.

Forest recognised this and stayed up...we appointed Wotte and look what happened. Ok money was non-existant but not that bad we could appoint 4 Dutchmen, put 2 good coaches on gardening leave and waste 7 loan players wages and agent fees.

Move over Wotte and let someone in who can get us back up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
ooohTerryHurlock

ooohTerryHurlock

Posted
Posted
That's why they call him Mr. Chocolate? Do they like him so well that they played their hearts out for him? The man only cares about himself. If he were to stick around in any function we would have a tumor inside right from the beginning

 

Give it a break..... How do we know what they call him. The end of the season had the arse kicked out of it by all the admin turmoil and the FL penalty.

He seems to have met with representitives of the would be new owners and if they offer him a role in the new structure of the club I think that is a good start in building a stable foundation to move forward from. He has showed passion about the club and has gone about his task through all this in a proffessional way so why not just wait to see what unfolds once the deal is done.... by the way the analogy with tumors and cancer are a tad sick im my book to be fair. He's a guy doing a job.... end of really.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
ooohTerryHurlock

ooohTerryHurlock

Posted
Posted
Pretty sure both Wotte and Pearson had a job to do to try and turn around a team with sinking morale, though Wotte's job would have been easier because the kids were much less likely to be jaded and it would have been easier to motivate them.

 

Pearson's task was arguably much tougher, though we'll only really know that once we see where the current crop of players ends up professionally.

 

Although NP did n't have mass fan un rest, admin and the FL -10 penalty! So it is pretty hard to compare one manager with another really

Link to comment
Share on other sites
ozzmeister

ozzmeister

Posted
Posted
And also, if the points gained were enough we might still be a CCC side. I have said before that if he stays it should at most be as an assistant. I do believe we need a clean sweep though.

That said I am a saints fan first and having seen how close we have come to oblivion I will back the new owners regardless. I would hope that they have a bit more gumption than the previous lot and would change things if they needed it.

 

It would have taken a very impressive points tally for any manager to keep us up. We were going to be hit by a points reduction last season/this season. I dont think there was a manager out there who could have got us 10+ points more than we had - you cant polish a turd up that well.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
OldNick

OldNick

Posted
Posted
not really!;)
but to be fair UM before we had the points deduction Im fairly certain they both had the same ratio , in fact I thought MW had 1 more victory. Neither had great records with us.

Im not saying I want MW to stay by the way.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
nodster

nodster

Posted
Posted

For those who have been impressed with the way he has conducted himself since the season ended/the administrators have been called in.

 

It's called arse licking in an attempt to cling to a job he's not up to and shouldn't be in!!

 

His record speaks for it's self!!

 

Get rid!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites
trousers

trousers

Posted
Posted
For those who have been impressed with the way he has conducted himself since the season ended/the administrators have been called in.

 

Indeed. It does (mildly) amuse me that people are implying that anyone would act any differently to the way Wotte has conducted himself in the media.

 

What other way is there to act in his position?

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying his words and actions are anything other than sincere or genuine, just that one wouldn't expect any employee of any company in his/their position to act any differently, whether they were sincere or not.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
saintjay77

saintjay77

Posted
Posted
For those who have been impressed with the way he has conducted himself since the season ended/the administrators have been called in.

 

It's called arse licking in an attempt to cling to a job he's not up to and shouldn't be in!!

 

His record speaks for it's self!!

 

Get rid!!

 

Yet Pearson should have been kept on with fairly similar record? (with us I mean)

 

Ive said what I think several times so im not trying to stir things up. just think that all parties should now be cut the same slack and treated equally. Its not about Lowe or Crouch any more. Its about the future.

 

If the new lot keep Wotte in some capacity then they have there reasons and we should do our best to support them. If they get rid then we should do the same.

 

Onwards and Upwards as they say.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

Posted
Posted

Pearson kept us up. Wotte got us relegated, regardless of any points deduction.

 

Pearson was new to the Club. Wotte was part of the "duo" that presided over the first few moths of the season.

 

Had Gorman taken over from Dodd and Gorman, and then got us relegated, would people want him to stay on?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

Posted
Posted
Trouble is, saints fans rarely choose a manager for his managerial ability, in fact many a good manager is dismissed for little persoanl vendettas.

 

Exactly we have had one complete nutjob trying to tell us for years Hoddle was the messiah when everyone knows he has been a disaster wherever he has been since he left.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Thedelldays

Thedelldays

Posted
Posted
Exactly we have had one complete nutjob trying to tell us for years Hoddle was the messiah when everyone knows he has been a disaster wherever he has been since he left.

hardly a disaster has he...

 

i mean, spurs have been rocking and rolling ever since.

 

and many thought burley did a good job NOT getting us promoted with oodles of money to spend. yet for hoddle, this is a failure..???

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...