Cosham Scientist Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 But as he was stuck to the train, the train must also have been stationary. Yes? True? Simples! So the bee stopped the train. Nah. The bee changed direction so its velocity was zero for an instant. The train's velocity never altered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyes k8 Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 Nah. The bee changed direction so its velocity was zero for an instant. The train's velocity never altered. But at that instant it was stuck to the front of the train. At that instant it was stationary having as you put it "zero velocity". But if it had zero velocity so did the train because the bee was stuck to it. You'll have to do better than that! The bee stopped the train. Well this is my last post of the day unless the mods lift the limit on a temporary basis for the edification and education of board members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 Just realised we achieved three pages of nothing. Just need another 39 to catch the Echo up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evo Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 Isn't this bee business a bit like Mandelbrot's question "How long is the coastline of Britain?" ? This may seem a simple question, but think about it... The more accurately you measure it, the longer it gets - its length actually tends towards infinity as you measure it with ever increasing detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosham Scientist Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 Think I have some posts left. But if it had zero velocity so did the train because the bee was stuck to it. Nah. The bee had the same position as the train (instantaneously and subsequently, obviously). The bee's velocity was instantaneously zero (and subsequently the same as the train). The train's velocity never changed. The train was never stationary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 Think I have some posts left. Nah. The bee had the same position as the train (instantaneously and subsequently, obviously). The bee's velocity was instantaneously zero (and subsequently the same as the train). The train's velocity never changed. The train was never stationary. So, what you're trying to say is this? That should do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evo Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 *cough* The magnitude of the bee's velocity was instantaneously zero *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghq Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 The punchline is " 'Nat King Cole', I won a jelly baby!" I always found it amusing, but it was a nothing sort of joke. Something to do with black holes? Well vaguely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 Isn't this bee business a bit like Mandelbrot's question "How long is the coastline of Britain?" ? This may seem a simple question, but think about it... The more accurately you measure it, the longer it gets - its length actually tends towards infinity as you measure it with ever increasing detail Sweden's total shores are 9.5 times the length of the equator. It took me a long time to believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 There's no such thing as an instant of time. If there was, then the bee would be completely still in that instant, then in the next instant it would be completely still but in a different position (like subsequent frames from a movie). How can it get from the one position to the other unless there's another 'instant' of time when it was in the middle? Makes MLT's goals seem ever more amazing, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 What gets me is a dolphin is the only other thing but us that has an organism for pleasure. I swear some of those woman I've had in the past never enjoyed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 What gets me is a dolphin is the only other thing but us that has an organism for pleasure. I swear some of those woman I've had in the past never enjoyed it! How did the dolphins enjoy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 But at that instant it was stuck to the front of the train. At that instant it was stationary having as you put it "zero velocity". But if it had zero velocity so did the train because the bee was stuck to it. You'll have to do better than that! The bee stopped the train. Well this is my last post of the day unless the mods lift the limit on a temporary basis for the edification and education of board members. Velocity = distance x time Therefore if you reduce time to zero, velocity must always be zero. so at any point where time is zero eeverything has no velocity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shroppie Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Velocity = distance x time Therefore if you reduce time to zero, velocity must always be zero. so at any point where time is zero everything has no velocity. Last time I checked, velocity = distance / time and that means if time = 0, if distance is anything > 0, velociry would have to be infinite, and that's impossible, so distance = 0. But then 0 / 0 is undefined, so the velocity could be anything you like. Or nothing. So in the instant (no time) the train hits the bee, they can have different velocities. or none at all. Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyes k8 Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Velocity = distance x time Therefore if you reduce time to zero, velocity must always be zero. so at any point where time is zero eeverything has no velocity. I always thought you were a bright fellow Landford. At any given moment in time velocity is indeed nil. We make use of this in things called photographs. So whilst it is truethat in an instant of time both bee and train were stationary that is true of everything in an instant of time. Movement can only take place between moments of time. The bee would of course have slowed the train but only by a miniscule amount. The train had a rather more comprehensive affect on the bee. A special mention to for bobbyboy who was on the right track in one of his rare posts. The optional prize has to go to Landford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 #Insert cheeky yet profoundly intelligent and relevant comment here# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 I always thought you were a bright fellow Landford. At any given moment in time velocity is indeed nil. We make use of this in things called photographs. So whilst it is truethat in an instant of time both bee and train were stationary that is true of everything in an instant of time. Movement can only take place between moments of time. The bee would of course have slowed the train but only by a miniscule amount. The train had a rather more comprehensive affect on the bee. A special mention to for bobbyboy who was on the right track in one of his rare posts. The optional prize has to go to Landford. Dang, I feel special. And it's Friday too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 (edited) The optional prize has to go to Landford. Yes but only for forgetting everything I learnt at school, which I left in 1976 (good year all round really). Which as Shroppie so rightly pointed out i got totally wrong I.E. It should read distance/time. Therefore anything divided by 0 is always 0. So by pure chance I got the right result for totally the wrong reason.. Edited 12 June, 2009 by landford.saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Therefore anything divided by 0 is always 0. So by pure chance I got the right result for totally the wrong reason.. But zero isn't "anything" it's "nothing". We found that out when trying to count points gained and goals scored when Wigley, Arry and JP were in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Yes but only for forgetting everything I learnt at school, which I left in 1976 (good year all round really). Which as Shroppie so rightly pointed out i got totally wrong I.E. It should read distance/time. Therefore anything divided by 0 is always 0. So by pure chance I got the right result for totally the wrong reason.. Anything divided by zero becomes infinity. Maybe you're too young to remember the old mechanical calculators in science classes. When taking time off from lighting gas taps and mixing chemicals in the sink it was an ace wheeze to type in 1/0 on the old calcs, the brass drums chattered away all afternoon.Anything multiplied by zero is zero,anything to the power of zero is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Anything divided by zero becomes infinity. Maybe you're too young to remember the old mechanical calculators in science classes. When taking time off from lighting gas taps and mixing chemicals in the sink it was an ace wheeze to type in 1/0 on the old calcs, the brass drums chattered away all afternoon.Anything multiplied by zero is zero,anything to the power of zero is 1 Sorry did not have anything so modern as mechanical calculators.... About time we were leaving electronic ones were being introduced, but they were so expensive only the very rich had them. Remember chemistry classes though. Setting light to gas taps. Once caused explosion in chemistry lab and whole science block had to be evacuated. Great days... My computor calculator says you cant divide something by Zero... Logically speaking the result must be Zero or Infinity (maybe both) but too much thinking makes my head hurt and I have avoided thinking for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosham Scientist Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Just consider velocity as the first derivative of position, Δs/Δt as Δt -> 0. Nifty bit of calculus, gets around all that divide by zero stuff. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Just consider velocity as the first derivative of position, Δs/Δt as Δt -> 0. Nifty bit of calculus, gets around all that divide by zero stuff. Simples. Riemann Sphere ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Anything divided by zero becomes infinity. Anything multiplied by zero is zero,anything to the power of zero is 1 And zero to any power is zero, so what is zero to the power zero? That's always bothered me. (And I do have a degree in maths) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 And zero to any power is zero, so what is zero to the power zero? That's always bothered me. (And I do have a degree in maths) 1 or undefined, take your pick, most mathematicians seem to decide depending on which way the wind blows that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyes k8 Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 So on the basis of all the above and in recognition that both clubs are undertaking due diligence do we all agree that at this point in time we can be certain that nothing is in motion and that nothing can possibly be happening, although something might just have happened or be about to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Riemann Sphere ? Didn't he used to sponsor the Southern League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 I always thought you were a bright fellow Landford. At any given moment in time velocity is indeed nil. We make use of this in things called photographs. So whilst it is truethat in an instant of time both bee and train were stationary that is true of everything in an instant of time. Movement can only take place between moments of time. The bee would of course have slowed the train but only by a miniscule amount. The train had a rather more comprehensive affect on the bee. A special mention to for bobbyboy who was on the right track in one of his rare posts. The optional prize has to go to Landford. i dont buy that the train was stationary, slowed down by a miniscule amount yes, stationary no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 at long last the secrets out and i can tell you who it is going to be, it is obviously Royalty. I heard MLT talkg on his phone and he said they were definately going for a Burger King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 at long last the secrets out and i can tell you who it is going to be, it is obviously Royalty. I heard MLT talkg on his phone and he said they were definately going for a Burger King So it's not Mr Macdonald then! On another note, as Pinnacle have until next Friday to conclude the transaction, I wonder if it will actually take until next Friday. With all the take over talk we have had, we have all joked many times that it will be on a Friday that all those potential deals will go through, perhaps we should have a sweepstake on this; personally I am going for Thursday next week, any other takers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyes k8 Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 i dont buy that the train was stationary, slowed down by a miniscule amount yes, stationary no. I'm afraid you're going to have to read the thread a second time Mike. You are not on track and are missing the points. Consider now the question that has occupied forward thinking people since neolithic times. No not why has Portsmouth applied to be soth coast host city for the 2018 world cup but rather: Why are speed cameras not content to flash once but do it a second time? The first flash produces a photo in which nothing is moving, everything is stationary. Useless. The second photo again shows no motion. But with those little white lines you can work out the theoretical construct called speed. Speed of course as Aristotle pointed out does not actually exist. So too in that instant when train and bee met a photo would show them to be stationary, just like everything else. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 So it's not Mr Macdonald then! On another note, as Pinnacle have until next Friday to conclude the transaction, I wonder if it will actually take until next Friday. With all the take over talk we have had, we have all joked many times that it will be on a Friday that all those potential deals will go through, perhaps we should have a sweep stake on this; personally I am going for Thursday next week, any other takers? I'm going for an extension of the deadline. it wont be Saints without getting pi##ed off even more, would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamanga Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 What is more greater than god, More evil than the devil, The poor have it, The rich need it, and without it, you would die? nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Just to clarify, was the bee travelling in the same direction as the Earth's rotation about its axis, or in the opposite direction? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Just to clarify, was the bee travelling in the same direction as the Earth's rotation about its axis, or in the opposite direction? Thanks Im more worried if it lived or not, nobody has told us yet.It didnt look too well last i heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 I'm going for an extension of the deadline. it wont be Saints without getting pi##ed off even more, would it? As much as it grieves me to say this, you could well be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 On the subject of Dolphins, unfortunately there weren't any yesterday when I went snorkelling at Snoopy Rock over on the East Coast in Fujeirah emirate. The only other two things of note were trying to decipher the news of a football transfer from a ranting Arabic reporter outside Old Trafford, and the fact that the BBQ provided by the hotel took around 1.5 bottles of Cabernet Sauvignon to light (time wise not fuel wise!) and actually managed to produce some of the best darned ribeye steaks I've cooked. (Oh the Jalapeno Shrimp ladders rocked) Interestingly, the sea temperature was 28C, which rather unfortunately obscured the fact that the outside air temperature in the shade was a gentle 48C, allowing us to pass our SPF factor rating. So, I would have been on here earlier postualting that it could actually have been the train's windscreen wiper that had intervened in the Bee story and caused a random chaotic event, but instead I found myself rummaging around the garden for a wild growing Aloe Vera plant with which to address the fact that my face and shoulders from that exposure to the sun feel like they have been stung by a million bees. Luckily we didn't drink alll the Zubrocwa, so there is an ample supply of painkiller. Now, most importantly was it a Honey Bee or a Bumble Bee? Did the accident occur in the northern or the southern hemisphere? and was Dr Who around in his Tardisat the time So, anyway, apart from sunburn I just spent two full days fantastically doing Nothing. It has a lot going for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 can't believe you interupted doing nothing to report absolutely nothing, that should be on the nothing thread, hang on, it is, what a bloody waste of time it was me posting nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 12 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Just consider velocity as the first derivative of position, Δs/Δt as Δt -> 0. If velocity is the first derivative of position, no wonder McGoldrick missed so many sitters. So therefore would McGs/McGt as McGt -v =0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 12 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 June, 2009 The Devil is greater than nothing. Nothing is greater than God. Therefore, the Devil is greater than God. 'God is dead' said Nietzsche. 'So are you' said God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4INT Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 What gets me is a dolphin is the only other thing but us that has an organism for pleasure. I swear some of those woman I've had in the past never enjoyed it! An organism is a living thing rather than a climax... HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 The tribe is not happy. Their leader "Bumble" was found 226 miles away stuck to the front of a train. The funeral will be held once Bumble is returned to his homeland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 This nothingness is spreading to other blog/forum sites... http://www.oleole.com/blogs/saints-blog/posts/jenga-with-stubby-fingers-how-awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 (edited) A mathematician named Hall Had a hexahedronical b@ll And the square of its weight Plus its volume, less eight Was four-fifths of two thirds of f*** all Edited 13 June, 2009 by Shroppie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 A mathematician named Hall Had a hexahedronical b@ll And the square of its weight Plus its volume, less eight Was four-fifths of two thirds of f*** all Very good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 On the subject of Dolphins, unfortunately there weren't any yesterday when I went snorkelling at Snoopy Rock over on the East Coast in Fujeirah emirate. The only other two things of note were trying to decipher the news of a football transfer from a ranting Arabic reporter outside Old Trafford, and the fact that the BBQ provided by the hotel took around 1.5 bottles of Cabernet Sauvignon to light (time wise not fuel wise!) and actually managed to produce some of the best darned ribeye steaks I've cooked. (Oh the Jalapeno Shrimp ladders rocked) Interestingly, the sea temperature was 28C, which rather unfortunately obscured the fact that the outside air temperature in the shade was a gentle 48C, allowing us to pass our SPF factor rating. So, I would have been on here earlier postualting that it could actually have been the train's windscreen wiper that had intervened in the Bee story and caused a random chaotic event, but instead I found myself rummaging around the garden for a wild growing Aloe Vera plant with which to address the fact that my face and shoulders from that exposure to the sun feel like they have been stung by a million bees. Luckily we didn't drink alll the Zubrocwa, so there is an ample supply of painkiller. Now, most importantly was it a Honey Bee or a Bumble Bee? Did the accident occur in the northern or the southern hemisphere? and was Dr Who around in his Tardisat the time So, anyway, apart from sunburn I just spent two full days fantastically doing Nothing. It has a lot going for it!I tell you what it must be something that happens to yuo when you move abroad, but that sounds just like one of Tijana Tim's bits on Radio Hampshire. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 13 June, 2009 Share Posted 13 June, 2009 It's gone very quiet on this thread. Can't believe that no-one's got nothing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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