Big John Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 The only thing confusing me is why, when 'TheGaffer' quotes someone else, the quote appears after his reply rather than above it. Yours troubledly, Trousers Maybe he feels that what he has to say is more pertinent than the OP? Hence going to the trouble of altering the default setting. Does it really matter thoough if it is important to him, let him carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 If you want to start a thread about slagging off Saints fans, to use your choice of phase, how about we discuss those idiots in the Echo yesterday allegedly throwing objects at the Burnley fans. Makes you proud to be a Saint doesn't it? It seems 4 remain unidentified. I'm not going to start a trend, by agreeing with you, but I have already gone on record here, with my views on that. I agree that they should be banned....IMHO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 What has led me to the conclusion of privacy is that Tony Lynham has said that the title is to be vested in him which is pretty unequivocal. I have no problem with somebody not wishing to be exposed to the circus that is the football media. It is possible that the owners name may be given to the authorities, but the money behind equity/hedge funds would not be available so it is possible to avoid publication. If the nominees, MLT, Lynham etc deliver the goods and take the club forward I really couldn't care less if I never knew who owned us provided they continue to support the club. It would be nice but hardly a necessity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 If you want to start a thread about slagging off Saints fans, to use your choice of phase, how about we discuss those idiots in the Echo yesterday allegedly throwing objects at the Burnley fans. Makes you proud to be a Saint doesn't it? It seems 4 remain unidentified. It doesn't make me any less proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 I'm not going to start a trend, by agreeing with you, but I have already gone on record here, with my views on that. I agree that they should be banned....IMHO of course. We agree about something then. It doesn't need to be a trend but worth acknowledging nonetheless as our morals seem similar if not our opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 What has led me to the conclusion of privacy is that Tony Lynham has said that the title is to be vested in him which is pretty unequivocal. I have no problem with somebody not wishing to be exposed to the circus that is the football media. It is possible that the owners name may be given to the authorities, but the money behind equity/hedge funds would not be available so it is possible to avoid publication. If the nominees, MLT, Lynham etc deliver the goods and take the club forward I really couldn't care less if I never knew who owned us provided they continue to support the club. It would be nice but hardly a necessity. I agree with your comments Derry but its a bit like finding yourself between a rock and hard place. Taking your final paragraph as a scenario there is no reason why we should know the indentity of the person behind the deal and we should respect their privacy. On the other there will be endless speculation on here and in the local media and whether it's a storming or a faltering start for MLT and TL there will probably be endless speculation about further investment from our very own Austin Powers (Man of Mystery). Being totally honest I don't know what would be for the best. I like the mystery and if I was in the same position I would prefer to take a back seat. However, I don't think I could put up with the endless specualtion and rumours either regarding the new owners identity and/or speculation if there are further funds for investment, which no doubt the fans will start to question, success or failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 But what if you have a link to the one man who will know more than most why come on to a forum where none of us know nothing apart from those who drop morsels of info now and again. Sorry but it doesn't make sense if you take the question at face value. Could it be there is a 'little **** waving' going on to see if anyone on the forum actually knows anything? Otherwise, why undermine what I thought must be a valued and respected link if not friendship. If the Gaffer is aware that MLT has not even told his brother does he believe MLT will be happy with him starting this thread? I have no issue with the question in fact I welcome it but IMO it is suspicious coming from a brother of an allegedly well connected person. At best all it's doing is feeding the rumour mill which is odd given the source of the original post. It appears none of us will know the answer until the time is right which of course is the new owner's perogative and although I would like to know their identity I respect and understand why they would prefer to remain behind the scenes. If Mike knows who the man with the money is he hasn't told me and he hasn't told my brother Dave. I've asked him several times whats going on and each time he has said he has no idea. I hope that clears it up for you and you now realise that the initial post on this thread was no different than any other fan just asking a ligit question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 I hope that clears it up for you and you now realise that the initial post on this thread was no different than any other fan just asking a ligit question. Not really, it took a few posts to realise TheGaffer wasn't Mike himself, then we were informed that 'he was as close as you can get to being Mike' so you must understand that some would believe this to be a loaded question and not by just 'any other fan'. Do you believe your brother(Mike) has never asked MLT who is behind the bid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 anyone having half a conversation with MLT and who was saints or even football fan would ask. Whether he trusted them enough to answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmysaint7 Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 personally i dont think it matters one bit if they reveal themselves or not as long as they do the deal that is all that matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 Not really, it took a few posts to realise TheGaffer wasn't Mike himself, then we were informed that 'he was as close as you can get to being Mike' so you must understand that some would believe this to be a loaded question and not by just 'any other fan'. Do you believe your brother(Mike) has never asked MLT who is behind the bid ? If he does know who the money man is he hasn't told me, I'm not sure what else I can say to be honest. I'm not a liar but if you choose not to believe me there isn't much I can do about it. The other thing is I don't understand what you mean by a loaded question. Why would anyone who knew exactly what was going on post that question. All the major historical events that have happened over the last 50 years seem to have a cospiracy theory behind them. This board is full of people who seem to of watched too many tv programs about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 The other thing is I don't understand what you mean by a loaded question. Why would anyone who knew exactly what was going on post that question. If Leon Crouch's brother had started this thread I would have questioned it, due to most knowing who you are related to, are you guilty by association ? maybe, unfair ? probably, however, with so many cryptic posts on the forum surely you understand why some are on the back foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 however, with so many cryptic posts on the forum surely you understand why some are on the back foot. But the post was not cryptic and both Scally and The Gaffer have been open about who they are. As with the thread about Nick I and The Echo methinks the problem lies with the reader and not the initial poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 the problem lies with the reader and not the initial poster. The link between the poster and those associated to events surrounding the club is something to be considered imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 I agree with your comments Derry but its a bit like finding yourself between a rock and hard place. Taking your final paragraph as a scenario there is no reason why we should know the indentity of the person behind the deal and we should respect their privacy. On the other there will be endless speculation on here and in the local media and whether it's a storming or a faltering start for MLT and TL there will probably be endless speculation about further investment from our very own Austin Powers (Man of Mystery). Agree with NC here. Fast forward to December when we haven't won a game for weeks....MLT and/or Tony Lynham announce that the mystery owner has decided he doesn't want to throw more money at new players in the January window...what will the reaction from fans be? Not knowing who the money man is will mean that fans will be unable to put the owner's motives into context and thus there is large potential for fan frustration if the man behind the money isn't available for constructive scrutiny by his 'customers'.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 I think with the timing of everything the best we can hope for this coming season is a strong position maybe just above halfway. The fact we will have a team will be enough for us this time around. However, for the next season I will be wanting a serious push for the CCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Agree with NC here. Fast forward to December when we haven't won a game for weeks....MLT and/or Tony Lynham announce that the mystery owner has decided he doesn't want to throw more money at new players in the January window...what will the reaction from fans be? Not knowing who the money man is will mean that fans will be unable to put the owner's motives into context and thus there is large potential for fan frustration if the man behind the money isn't available for constructive scrutiny by his 'customers'.... I agree with Trousers agreeing with NC here. You have summed up my concerns in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Agree with NC here. Fast forward to December when we haven't won a game for weeks....MLT and/or Tony Lynham announce that the mystery owner has decided he doesn't want to throw more money at new players in the January window...what will the reaction from fans be? Not knowing who the money man is will mean that fans will be unable to put the owner's motives into context and thus there is large potential for fan frustration if the man behind the money isn't available for constructive scrutiny by his 'customers'.... Understand your point Trousers, but to be fair there is absolutely nothing to suggest that following completion of takeover the new owner will not reveal him/her self. It's difficult not to speculate when we all want the news that's not available, however it's now only a matter of a few days before we can start talking really important things like players, formations and the like. We all need a collective chill pill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Understand your point Trousers, but to be fair there is absolutely nothing to suggest that following completion of takeover the new owner will not reveal him/her self Absolutely. I'm just jumping on the prevailing bandwagon this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Agree with NC here. Fast forward to December when we haven't won a game for weeks....MLT and/or Tony Lynham announce that the mystery owner has decided he doesn't want to throw more money at new players in the January window...what will the reaction from fans be? Not knowing who the money man is will mean that fans will be unable to put the owner's motives into context and thus there is large potential for fan frustration if the man behind the money isn't available for constructive scrutiny by his 'customers'.... TL's announcement that the owner had several million will also heap the pressure on him to spend if things are not looking good in Jan.Of course that will happen if we know the owners name or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 TL's announcement that the owner had several million will also heap the pressure on him to spend if things are not looking good in Jan.Of course that will happen if we know the owners name or not. Agree, but knowing who the owner is, or at least what field they ply their trade in, will help put any future decision making into context. For example, if our man is in the steel industry and the price of steel plummets and his fortune goes to the wall we will be better placed to understand a lack of investment in the future than if we know sod all about them. I'm simply saying that it would be in the owner's interests to at least reveal some of their background so that the very people keeping one of their investments (SFC) up and running, i.e. the fans, can understand the context of any decision making. Fans are more likely to 'revolt' against any "tough but necessary" financial decisions if there isn't an element of transparency in the process. Of course, this is all supposition and assumption that 'our man' won't ereveal anything about himself next week.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 They will be revealed when the deal is done - they have to pass the fit and proper bit as they are (or will be) the owners. IMHO it doesn't matter who is put up as Chairman board members etc as they are not going to be the owners. In one way thats another benefit of having one owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Agree, but knowing who the owner is, or at least what field they ply their trade in, will help put any future decision making into context. For example, if our man is in the steel industry and the price of steel plummets and his fortune goes to the wall we will be better placed to understand a lack of investment in the future than if we know sod all about them. I'm simply saying that it would be in the owner's interests to at least reveal some of their background so that the very people keeping one of their investments (SFC) up and running, i.e. the fans, can understand the context of any decision making. Fans are more likely to 'revolt' against any "tough but necessary" financial decisions if there isn't an element of transparency in the process. Of course, this is all supposition and assumption that 'our man' won't ereveal anything about himself next week....I think we need to know, I get the impression we wont until they finally take over.I trust MLT, if he wasn't fronting it up Id be much less comfortable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinhk Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 My theory for the secret identity of the person behind the deal is that she/he is so stupendously wealthy, to have that public knowledge would inflate the asking price of players when we go player shopping. :smt003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 12 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 June, 2009 (edited) My theory for the secret identity of the person behind the deal is that she/he is so stupendously wealthy, to have that public knowledge would inflate the asking price of players when we go player shopping. :smt003 This is why I posed the question. For answers like this,not for the reasons nineteen canteen suggests. Edited 12 June, 2009 by thegaffer Wrong spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 This is why I posed the question. For answers like this,not for the reasons nineteen canteen suggets. I see what you did there....not that anyone ever suspected Nineteen Canteen was Madness fan Lord Marland of Odstock, of course.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 I cannot imagine that their identity will not come out once the deal is done. It would make no sense to remain anonymous in the long term, every club in the world will know who its owner(s) are so why should we be any different. Christ can you imagine the hysteria and directors box watch if he remained unknown and who the hell are we going to swing from the itchen bridge so better hope he hasnt got a long foreign sounding name or it just wont be the same. Swing giovanni costayoulotalopodus just will not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 (edited) Mike Osman asked me who the financier was last Friday and we talked about it together with Paul one of his brothers on Saturday, Mike doesn't know who it is. I had been given a name but it hasn't been mentioned on this site, Weston has been told by someone who knows TL that that name is not the financier. Edited 12 June, 2009 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 I see what you did there....not that anyone ever suspected Nineteen Canteen was Madness fan Lord Marland of Odstock, of course.... Now look. He gets awfully stroppy if you make suggestions like this. He may even send you a P~M if you are really unlucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Now look. He gets awfully stroppy if you make suggestions like this. He may even send you a P~M if you are really unlucky. He can't anymore as he's turned off his PM system;) Probably the only way the weirdo could stop himself from sending out unsolicited PM's :smt046 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Perhaps the new owner needs to dispose of some assets prior to acquiring Saints and if their identity became known it might affect the disposal in some way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Perhaps the new owner needs to dispose of some assets prior to acquiring Saints and if their identity became known it might affect the disposal in some way? Yep, we've already had that suggestion... from me. Gawd, we're all getting twitchy, aren't we! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Yep, we've already had that suggestion... from me. Gawd, we're all getting twitchy, aren't we! That's the truth Sue! I didn't see the original suggestion but this occurred to me when I saw that David Ross (mentioned on the 'Who is he?' thread) had today sold a load of Carphone Warehouse shares. It set me thinking. Great minds and all that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Will the real slim shady please stand up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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