The media vs Nick Illingsworth & Richard Chorley

[beatlesaint]

tbf its better than looking like this

 

 

You don't have to wear the colours to the game to be a good fan.

 

100% agree with that !! ha ha ha

[eurosaint]

Why are some people so resentful of Nick I .Surely he is just responding to media questions as he is available and can claim to represent 'a number' of fans views. The Echo or any other paper are hardley likely to canvass every Tom ,**** and Harry every time an issue occurs are they? If you don't like it maybe you should get of you ar*e and form you own organisation or join an existing one and elect an alternative 'voice'. For what it's worth every time I've heard him interviewed he seems perfectly rational and appears to have the good of the club at heart.

 

Same with me, he comes across as polite, sensible and unprovocative ! Some of the vitriol (ie. Alpine who says he DESPISES him) is nothing short of scandalous !

I guess that many on here have never met the man but seem to resent the fact that he is asked questions by the media about the club which he avidly supports!

Having produced fanzines, websites etc.. he gets off his arse and tries his best to further the interests of SFC so why he is castigated is beyond me !

The only conclusion that I can draw is that ENVY is the reason, sad I know, but why else?

[SFC Forever]

So the trust is in the same restricted manner as the mafia. Once in you can never leave. Guess Nick must be a godfather. Which branch is he closest to, Italian or American?

This is a load of tosh. He is asked some questions and gives his answers. In most respects he is saying similar to the majority of FANS. I DON'T KNOW HIM AND DON'T PARTICULARLY CARE IF i DIE BEFORE MEETING HIM. WE ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THE ECHO AND CAN GIVE A OUR OPINIONS.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

I despise Illingsworth, his attention-seeking and his self-appointment as the voice of the fans..

 

Have you ever met him or know him?

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Whenever I have seen or walked past Nick at St Marys on matchdays I have never seen him where any Saints colours.

 

He always has neutral colours on.

 

Its got nothing to do with this thread I'll admit but just thought I would share it with you all.

 

Very strange for the "voice of the fans" to not be decked out in Saints shirt, or jacket etc, its always struck me as odd.

Perhaps you rise above that sort of thing when you are at the centre of the media circus !!!!

Only true fans wear a club shirt or jacket then?

[Chorlton]

Whenever I have seen or walked past Nick at St Marys on matchdays I have never seen him where any Saints colours.

 

He always has neutral colours on.

 

Its got nothing to do with this thread I'll admit but just thought I would share it with you all.

 

Very strange for the "voice of the fans" to not be decked out in Saints shirt, or jacket etc, its always struck me as odd.

Perhaps you rise above that sort of thing when you are at the centre of the media circus !!!!

 

 

Are you serious? really? I have seen Saints on about 60odd different grounds and I don't think I have worn colours since I was about 15/16. Seems that people want to have a pop at Nick for any reason at the moment. The reason The Echo/Sky contact him is that he has made himself known for over 20 years now since the formation of the ugly. I am sure he would be more than happy for more fans to take the initiatve and start a fanzine/webzine/supporters group and take time out from their personal lives to voice opinion, but despite many people moaning, very few have done this (there are honourable exceptions such as Steve Grant & Daren Wheeler). Sure, I don't agree with all he says, but then, that is what the game is about.

 

I have been given the chance of airing my views on Sky but I chose not to as I did not feel confident enough. Fair play to anyone who does. Perhaps instead of just having a go at the likes of Nick/Richard Chroley, people may want to think about exactly what they want to say, and how they can achieve their proposals. And if Nick IS the voicepiece, perhaps conact him, I am sure he would listen to you.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I think there is an age after which it becomes odd for a bloke to wear a football shirt let alone walk around in it on non - matchdays. Mid to late twenties is probably the limit but certainly no disrespect to Nick he looks past the age and would IMO look ridiculous wearing one. Can you imagine Leon and Lawrie rolling up to an away game in the Bentley getting out proudly displaying their Flybe shirts!!!

 

I think Nick is by far and away the most eloquent and balanced fan's representative - appointed or otherwise and does at least try to represent everyone's views and not just his own as say the vitrol Foley was spouting back in April on Solent.

 

The last time I wore a shirt was to the cup final, when trying to get hold of a yellow Saints shirt was easier than finding a young woman in Leigh park with her hymen still intact. I've still got the cling film to prove it.

[instinct]

I heard Chorely on Sky Sports News, saying it was Lowe's fault. I liked that.

[Mole]

So the trust is in the same restricted manner as the mafia. Once in you can never leave. Guess Nick must be a godfather. Which branch is he closest to, Italian or American?

This is a load of tosh.

 

These are the rules Nick says come from supporters direct. Once you join a Trust you are automatically used as number for life. Therefore the real membership of the Trust is about 300, yet Nick Illingsworth goes around saying it's over 1000.

 

The Saints Trust is SISA Mark II.

[Charlie Wayman]

The nub of the problem is that there is no one stereo-typical Saints fan; The Echo is being plain bloody lazy just to ring up their usual buddy for a quick quote. It is all quite irrelevant anyway as the e-mails they get on every issue gives them all the feedback they need. The only commonality amongst fans is that all want Saints to win and do well.

 

For sure nobody, Mr Illingworth or anybody else can represent my views uness they bother to take the time to come and ask.

[Toadhall Saint]

Whenever I have seen or walked past Nick at St Marys on matchdays I have never seen him where any Saints colours.

 

He always has neutral colours on.

 

Its got nothing to do with this thread I'll admit but just thought I would share it with you all.

 

Very strange for the "voice of the fans" to not be decked out in Saints shirt, or jacket etc, its always struck me as odd.

Perhaps you rise above that sort of thing when you are at the centre of the media circus !!!!

 

LOL - I've never worn colours to a match doesn't make me any less of a fan. What do you expect Nick to look like on match days? A ****ing barbers shop sign? Oh and BTW if you do just walk by and then can comment on him - next time stop and have a chat and ask him why he doesn't wear colours? I'm sure he'd answer you.

 

As you say tho' its got nothing to do with this thread - unless you have some sort of axe to grind against someone who is a decent bloke that has had Saints at his heart for as long as I can remember.

[SaintRobbie]

I think there is an age after which it becomes odd for a bloke to wear a football shirt let alone walk around in it on non - matchdays. Mid to late twenties is probably the limit but certainly no disrespect to Nick he looks past the age and would IMO look ridiculous wearing one. Can you imagine Leon and Lawrie rolling up to an away game in the Bentley getting out proudly displaying their Flybe shirts!!!

 

I think Nick is by far and away the most eloquent and balanced fan's representative - appointed or otherwise and does at least try to represent everyone's views and not just his own as say the vitrol Foley was spouting back in April on Solent.

 

The last time I wore a shirt was to the cup final, when trying to get hold of a yellow Saints shirt was easier than finding a young woman in Leigh park with her hymen still intact. I've still got the cling film to prove it.

 

 

Wrong in so so many ways.

[um pahars]

The Echo is being plain bloody lazy just to ring up their usual buddy for a quick quote.

 

And I think that is what the OP was alluding to, in that the issue is more with how the Echo interpret these quotes and how they frame them, as opposed to what is actually being said.

 

I bet the majority of those who have posted on this thread haven't even read what the full article says in The Echo.

 

If they had, then surely the biggest target for abuse should be whoever Steve Grant is, as he is suggesting keeping Wotte, something that 96% who took part in the poll on here are in disagreement with!!!!!

 

The Echo have got a list of people and they occasionally ring them asking for their personal opinion and on this occasion that is what the contributors have done.

 

Methinks the issue is probably more with the reader of the contributions than the contributions themselves.

[beatlesaint]

As you say tho' its got nothing to do with this thread - unless you have some sort of axe to grind against someone who is a decent bloke that has had Saints at his heart for as long as I can remember.

 

Ok calm down, it was just an observation, i wasn't being serious ffs, and i am pleased some of you have pounced on it cos to my mind it shows just what a ridiculous thread this is.....and how the hell Richard Chorley was dragged into it........

Edited 7 June, 2009 by beatlesaint

[SaintRobbie]

And I think that is what the OP was alluding to, in that the issue is more with how the Echo interpret these quotes and how they frame them, as opposed to what is actually being said.

 

I bet the majority of those who have posted on this thread haven't even read what the full article says in The Echo.

 

If they had, then surely the biggest target for abuse should be whoever Steve Grant is, as he is suggesting keeping Wotte, something that 96% who took part in the poll on here are in disagreement with!!!!!

 

The Echo have got a list of people and they occasionally ring them asking for their personal opinion and on this occasion that is what the contributors have done.

 

Methinks the issue is probably more with the reader of the contributions than the contributions themselves.

 

Is this true Steve? Would you honestly prefer Wotte?

[CB Fry]

Whenever I have seen or walked past Nick at St Marys on matchdays I have never seen him where any Saints colours.

 

He always has neutral colours on.

 

Its got nothing to do with this thread I'll admit but just thought I would share it with you all.

 

Very strange for the "voice of the fans" to not be decked out in Saints shirt, or jacket etc, its always struck me as odd.

Perhaps you rise above that sort of thing when you are at the centre of the media circus !!!!

 

 

Anyone over the age of nineteen still wearing Saints colours to the match is, in my opinion, a bit "special".

 

I'd prefer it if no adults were at the game wearing replica shirts. I'd rather we didn't take our uniform guidelines from those retards in the north east.

[um pahars]

Is this true Steve? Would you honestly prefer Wotte?

 

Before we get on to crucifying Steve, my tongue was firmly in my cheek when I suggested he should be a target for abuse (I can just imagine Ponty wanting to infract me for inciting abuse on Granty LOL).

 

The Echo carried the following from Steve:

 

 

Steve Grant, however, the administrator of fans forum Saints Web, believes the cub has been too quick to change managers in the past and now may be the time to give one a chance.

 

"One thing we have always had a problem with is chopping and changing managers" he said. "In the last few years Gere Burley had two and a half years but apart from him I don't think we have given people enough time to settle in the role."

 

"We are starting next season on minus ten points, so for somebody else coming in the job is already difficult.So it would be good to have somebody who knows what he has to work with already."

 

"The players are due back soon and if they have not completed the takeover by the, then i t might be slightly foolish to appoint a new manager and give him less time over the summer to mould things the way he wants."

 

"I think it may come down to the fact that it may be more unsettling than we need it to be to bring in a new man."

 

 

I don't agree with it, but there's nothing wrong with Steve espousing his own opinion, nor with the Echo ringing round various contacts asking them for their view. How the Echo frame it and how others perceive it is the problem here.

 

Just because they started with Granty being the administrator of this site, didn't mean I had a hissy fit saying he is out of touch with me and others on here, as that is his own valid opinion.

 

I'm positive if you got in touch with the Echo and wrote some erudite comment or opinion then they would happily start to use your copy and quotes if they felt you would be a reliable contributor.

[SaintRobbie]

I think thats an old report from Steve. I remember him saying something similar a while ago to calm the ship a little and generate some support for the club when it was looking a little shakey on the buyer front. Sort of made sense as a viewpoint if no major buyer had emerged.

 

But, if Steve seriously believes Wotte is the man to unite the club still... frankly he's barking. UNLESS he is suggesting next season is a write off and we should frankly throw in the towel and survive a season in League 1 before rebuilding proper. But, I can't see Wotte actually keeping us in League 1 next season if I'm honest... he simply is that poor. Anyway, looks as if Pinnacle and MLT have already told him to bugger off!

 

I fully concur with his line on consistency, but after we rid ourselves of the plank currently in charge of our uninspired club. Wotte for the record Steve has been arguably as bad as Redknapp for so many many reasons in the grand scheme of things.

 

Um, I can't see Steve supporting Wotte now that MLT and Pinnacle are close to conclusion.

Edited 7 June, 2009 by SaintRobbie

[SaintRobbie]

... anyway...no thanks... I shall not be offering myself as a fan leader for media comment Um !

 

...maybe one day when long retired!

[Redondo Saint]

Before we get on to crucifying Steve, my tongue was firmly in my cheek when I suggested he should be a target for abuse (I can just imagine Ponty wanting to infract me for inciting abuse on Granty LOL).

 

The Echo carried the following from Steve:

 

 

Steve Grant, however, the administrator of fans forum Saints Web, believes the cub has been too quick to change managers in the past and now may be the time to give one a chance.

 

"One thing we have always had a problem with is chopping and changing managers" he said. "In the last few years Gere Burley had two and a half years but apart from him I don't think we have given people enough time to settle in the role."

 

"We are starting next season on minus ten points, so for somebody else coming in the job is already difficult.So it would be good to have somebody who knows what he has to work with already."

 

"The players are due back soon and if they have not completed the takeover by the, then i t might be slightly foolish to appoint a new manager and give him less time over the summer to mould things the way he wants."

 

"I think it may come down to the fact that it may be more unsettling than we need it to be to bring in a new man."

 

 

I don't agree with it, but there's nothing wrong with Steve espousing his own opinion, nor with the Echo ringing round various contacts asking them for their view. How the Echo frame it and how others perceive it is the problem here.

 

Just because they started with Granty being the administrator of this site, didn't mean I had a hissy fit saying he is out of touch with me and others on here, as that is his own valid opinion.

 

I'm positive if you got in touch with the Echo and wrote some erudite comment or opinion then they would happily start to use your copy and quotes if they felt you would be a reliable contributor.

 

 

I think you're right.

 

The Echo may spin a comment to appear the voice of the fans yet the fan was giving their own personal opinion.

 

The reaction from some of our fellow posters is difficult to understand. I can only believe they are envious or jealous of the fact their own opinion has not been sought.

 

 

A stay at the Priory for Mr Alpine is well overdue. How anyone can despise a fellow fan for providing a comment to the club's local paper is really quite pathetic. I don't agree with RC's views on many topics but would never dismiss his opportunity to share it.

[EFM]

I am the voice of the fans.

 

That's exactly what annoys me Kadeem! Why aren't you asked to do all these interviews? Make yourself known to the media as soon as :-)

 

(I happen to think also that the thread title blaming Richard Chorley for an article he is not even mentioned in is a bit rich. Don't know the bloke and he certainly seems to polarise views on here but when he posted on here it was with well argued, articulate points.)

 

Yes I am tired of Nick being wheeled out as the "voice of the fans" but if a paper phones you up and asks for your opinion well you're going to give it.

[The9]

I think there is an age after which it becomes odd for a bloke to wear a football shirt let alone walk around in it on non - matchdays. Mid to late twenties is probably the limit but certainly no disrespect to Nick he looks past the age and would IMO look ridiculous wearing one. .

 

Having played on the same football team as him for much of last season I am inclined to agree.

 

I can't help but think it's mostly the media who portray Nick as "the voice of the fans", though obviously he's easily contactable and happy to have his views represented as such (and probably should be given his Trust position).

 

Having seen Steve Grant furiously working his way into the position of Media Whore a while back it's a thankless task anyway, all phone calls and chatting about football to people who are ITK.

Edited 9 June, 2009 by The9
typo, rather than being oppressed by media whores or anything

[The9]

Anyone over the age of nineteen still wearing Saints colours to the match is, in my opinion, a bit "special".

 

That would be about 50% of Saints fans then judging by various crowd photos over the course of the last few seasons. I'm pretty sure the Mental Health clinics aren't overflowing here...

 

Newcastle fans also didn't invent the wearing of football shirts en masse.

 

Tchoh, and I usually agree with you as well...