£1m for DMG - Why do people think it's such a bad deal?

[Arizona]

some of previuos seasons top scorers

 

83 Wallace 12

86 Armstrong 10

89 Rod Wallace 12

92 Shearer 13

93 Le T 15

96 Shipperley 7 (with supply from MLT!)

98 Ostenstad 11

99 Ostensatd 7

00 Pahars 13

01 BT 11

05 Crouch 12

06 Fuller 9

 

Been selective but most of those years we played few less games, in a much better team with some good midfielders/wingers - and the CF we had were often experienced and played all season as CF -with partner etc, not half on their own despite being their first season and second half in midfield

 

Playing in a better team, but against much better teams with better defenders and against top goalies. On top of that those players probably spent half as long on the pitch as DMG did last year.

 

As a side note, other than Crouchie and Ships, we didn't spend more than £1m on any of those players.

[pilsburydoughboy]

How many 12 yard shots at Goal has the "goal machine" put away

The guy belives his own hype.

I will be glad to see the back of him and his attitude.

[NickG]

Playing in a better team, but against much better teams with better defenders and against top goalies. On top of that those players probably spent half as long on the pitch as DMG did last year.

 

As a side note, other than Crouchie and Ships, we didn't spend more than £1m on any of those players.

 

didn't spend £1m on DMG! If you are comparing sales fees - BT £6m, Couch £7m, Danny Wallace £1.2m (in 89!), Shearer £3.3m, -doesn't help your arguement!

 

Bet they all spent more time as centre forward than he did.

[Arizona]

didn't spend £1m on DMG! If you are comparing sales fees - BT £6m, Couch £7m, Danny Wallace £1.2m (in 89!), Shearer £3.3m, -doesn't help your arguement!

 

Bet they all spent more time as centre forward than he did.

 

Not really what I was getting at. My point is you can pick a gem, even in the Prem, for less than £1m. If we were to sell DMG we could buy half the 25 goal a season L1 strikers listed above, or at least similar players for the same prices. The players listed above sold for large amounts of cash because they were hugely successful in the Prem. DMG has thus far been average in CCC. Nobody is ever going to get £7m for him.

 

For £1m we could buy Beckford, Cox and Lambert, who netted 85 goals between them last year and still have enough cash left for Jan Paul Saeijs.

[St_Tel49]

perhaps the ther players and tactics were cack? McGoldrick and Lallana were in their first full seasons and should never have been expected to carry the side.

 

I'm with you Chez. SOme people on here have a consistent record of undervaluing our own players while other clubs are very happy to come and take them off our hands. Amongst the players designated "crap" on this and previous boards have been Matt Oakley, Kevin Davis, Fuller, Delap, Kenwynne Jones all of whom (except Oakley who is getting on a bit) are still playing in the premiership. So to be honest, I wouldn't pay too much attention to anyone on here's judgement of McGoldrick.

[Ash]

For £1m we could buy Beckford, Cox and Lambert, who netted 85 goals between them last year and still have enough cash left for Jan Paul Saeijs.

Have you purchased a loaf of bread recently? One million isn't going to go that far; I would be amazed if it got any one of the strikers you mentioned.

[The Flying Finn]

Please ladies and gents, let's put this into some perspective.

 

The boy has NEVER been, and will NEVER BE an out and out striker. Anyone expecting that from him is a tool.

 

In his natural position, just behind the striker(s), the boy will create chances and score them.

 

He is more than good enough to play in League One, and anyone doubting his ability to play in the Championship (in his natural position!!!!!) should take a step back and watch him play.

 

He's an intelligent player, with some guile about him, and in the 2nd half of last season he found the work rate he was needed.

 

14 goals in a ****e team, does not make him a ****e player. IMO he is not an out and out goal scorer. The lad is a good player though come what may

[Arizona]

Have you purchased a loaf of bread recently? One million isn't going to go that far; I would be amazed if it got any one of the strikers you mentioned.

 

In the first part of that post I said similar strikers for a similar price. I'm sure the price of these exact players has gone up since they started scoring, but I'm equally sure there are more out there. I've no idea who they are, but who'd heard of any of those players listed 2 years ago.

[buctootim]

I'm equally sure there are more out there. I've no idea who they are, but who'd heard of any of those players listed 2 years ago.

 

Thats the rub though. Take a punt on someone cheap who looks as though he can play and hopefully score - or blow whatever cash you have on one proven goalscorer who may not reproduce that form for Saints. We've had lots of players who look as though they should be able to score but dont. Brett Ormerod for £1.75m anyone?

[Eastcowzer]

Agreed.

 

Just like Surman, Lallana, Size etc if they where half as good as someone people seem to think we wouldn't have been relegated in such an embarassing way.

 

I totally agree, too, and am still to be convinced that its possible to make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

[Windmill Arm 2]

Just looking at some of the players we've spent £1m or less on in the past and you've got:

 

• Andrew Davies - Over 50 Prem appearances in the Prem and clearly a class above.
  
• Stern John - May have been older and with little resale value, but immense CCC experience
  
• Marian Pahars - At that time he was already attracting interest from teams like Werder Bremmen and had several caps and goals for Latvia.
  
• James Beattie - England U21 international on the fringes of a Prem side.
  
• Marek Saganowski - After he went on that scoring run.
  
• BWP - From Man City's youth team and with a handful of Prem appearances.
  

 

Then you consider we've just sold Dyer to Swansea for £400k.

 

Then there's DMG. Don't get me wrong, HCDAJFU in L1 certainly, but last season wasn't all THAT impressive. Until his mini scoring run of 5 goals in our last 13 games, many people were angry with his attitude and lack of scoring, claiming he should be dropped from the side althogether. There are a couple of arguments I don't buy either.

 

1. He's our top scorer. Not exactly an achievement given the competition. Even given Saga's goal drought in the last 13 games, he still got a better scoring rate in the 20 games he played for Saints this season. Pekhart (remember him) never played, BWP played on the wing more often than not, Euell is a donkey who relies of 5 decent games a season to save his reputation and Robertson was f**king hopeless.

 

2. It's his first full season in the first team. He played at least 10 first team games last season and half a dosen the season before, aswell as quite a few out on loan. In all he probably made 50 odd first team appearances before the start of this season.

 

3. He's still young. Yes maybe so, but he's not all that young if we're honnest. I can't think of that many players who are average at 21, and end up playing for England when they're 25. If he were 17 and looking better with every game like Bale or Theo, I might be excited. I can't honnestly say I've seen much improvement in DMG over the last 3 years. Also it's not like Dyer where you think "he's got bags of pace and skill, if he could just hone his crossing and get a bit more awareness, he'd be incredible.

 

IF he were to leave and become one of the CCC's top strikers in a few years, how much is he really going to be worth? We got Rasiak for £2m. I think between £2-3m is realistic.

 

So in summary, let's hope he stays, but selling him for £1m really isn't much to cry about.

 

 

How odd, it feels like you just slagged him off, then said we should keep him????

 

IMO H e should be sold, he's fukkin carp.

[LaptopSaint]

If we could get £1.2 million for DMG (plus decent sell-on clause) and spend it on Jon Main from AFC Wimbledon (a man who can't stop scoring and would be ours for £100,000 tops), a lower league Jimmy Case (names anyone?), and another old warhorse centre forward (a Steve Howard clone) I'd say that'd be a decent bit of League One business.

We are where we are.

[Chez]

I wonder how Patterson would have done with 46 league games last season. If he'd played all those games and taken 4 penalties, getting all those chances, is it impossible he'd had scored 14 too? it's not a huge number is it. I think there are a hell of a lot of strikers that would expect to score at least 14 in 46.

 

very good point and as soon as I saw him against Reading away I said that he looked just what we needed - height, strength, workrate and ability. Him and BWP would have offered the perfect combination of height and pace. That partnership played all season would have kept us up IMO and Patterson would be the million pond man (if not more). How much did Rangers buy Karl Rafferty for? Patterson looks as good as him to me.

[Chez]

Not really what I was getting at. My point is you can pick a gem, even in the Prem, for less than £1m. If we were to sell DMG we could buy half the 25 goal a season L1 strikers listed above, or at least similar players for the same prices. The players listed above sold for large amounts of cash because they were hugely successful in the Prem. DMG has thus far been average in CCC. Nobody is ever going to get £7m for him.

 

For £1m we could buy Beckford, Cox and Lambert, who netted 85 goals between them last year and still have enough cash left for Jan Paul Saeijs.

 

I thought Cox was going to cost teams over £2m? Beckford is going up a league and Lambert doesn't want to leave so not sure any of them would come even if the £1m was made available,

 

Patterson might be the instant solution.

[Andy_Porter]

We should just be scouting League two and the conference for young players. Peterborough have got some real gems from non league sides. Looking for players who are already established will just be expensive and they aren't guarenteed to produce for us or even to be better than what we currently have.

 

Mackail-Smith (125k 43 goals in 97 games), McLean (150k 49 goals in 90 games) and Boyd (260k 27 goals in 102 games). We should be looking to sign players like that from non league sides. Not making 1.2m gambles on French teenagers, taking on crocked players like Holmes or journeymen like Wotton and Euell.

 

Agreed that Paterson could be the answer, I don't think he would get enough goals to get us promoted but there really won't be the aim next season. If our wingers can both pop up with 5-10 goals and Patersons strike partner can get 15 or so then we would probably be comfortble in midtable even with the point deduction.

 

If we do get a little bit of money to spend from sales it has to go on a centre back. Thomas, Lancashire and Perry as our only defensive options doesn't bare thinking about. If selling McGoldrick meant we could afford to sign Size or centre back of equal ability I'd be all for it.

[mattyd]

If these players are any good, why did we go down? People should realise that BWP, DM, AA, AS and co are below average CCC players who let us all down! Some may improve and do well so we need sell on clauses but in L1 they would still struggle, look at our results in cup competitions recently eg Bristol Rovers.

 

It is time to rebuild with L1 and CCC proven players who understand the physical game and can scrap out results and not give late goals away week after week.

[callysaint76]

I wonder how Patterson would have done with 46 league games last season. If he'd played all those games and taken 4 penalties, getting all those chances, is it impossible he'd had scored 14 too? it's not a huge number is it. I think there are a hell of a lot of strikers that would expect to score at least 14 in 46.

 

If you think Paterson is better than McGoldrick then you are f*cking mental

[Doctoroncall]

We should just be scouting League two and the conference for young players. Peterborough have got some real gems from non league sides. Looking for players who are already established will just be expensive and they aren't guarenteed to produce for us or even to be better than what we currently have.

 

Mackail-Smith (125k 43 goals in 97 games), McLean (150k 49 goals in 90 games) and Boyd (260k 27 goals in 102 games). We should be looking to sign players like that from non league sides. Not making 1.2m gambles on French teenagers, taking on crocked players like Holmes or journeymen like Wotton and Euell.

 

Agreed that Paterson could be the answer, I don't think he would get enough goals to get us promoted but there really won't be the aim next season. If our wingers can both pop up with 5-10 goals and Patersons strike partner can get 15 or so then we would probably be comfortble in midtable even with the point deduction.

 

If we do get a little bit of money to spend from sales it has to go on a centre back. Thomas, Lancashire and Perry as our only defensive options doesn't bare thinking about. If selling McGoldrick meant we could afford to sign Size or centre back of equal ability I'd be all for it.

 

Spot on, a good manager and scouting infrastructure are more important at this stage.

[aintforever]

Paterson has shown nothing to suggest he can even be effective at league 1 level, no pace, no strength, limited skill, no particularly strong in the air.

 

McGoldrick could score shed loads in League 1, for that reason I would not sell for 1mill, would be a daft business decision.

 

To be fair though as staying at Saints would mean at least 2 seasons in League 1, McGoldrick will not want to hang around and we may have to accept a derisory offer.

[Arizona]

How odd, it feels like you just slagged him off, then said we should keep him????

 

IMO H e should be sold, he's fukkin carp.

 

Not slagging him off, but I can see both sides of this argument. I do think he can be a decent player for us next season and score a few decent goals. I can also really don't think he is all that special and £1m could be better spent on other players.

 

I we had £1m to spend on players would you spend it on DMG or Saeijs and two decent strikers from lower leagues, LIKE Cox, Lambert or Beckford

[NickG]

Wonder what value he would have had even without first team experience - his record as youth player was special

[callysaint76]

Not slagging him off, but I can see both sides of this argument. I do think he can be a decent player for us next season and score a few decent goals. I can also really don't think he is all that special and £1m could be better spent on other players.

 

I we had £1m to spend on players would you spend it on DMG or Saeijs and two decent strikers from lower leagues, LIKE Cox, Lambert or Beckford

 

I think Cox and Beckford would cost quite a bit more than £1 million

[Arizona]

I think Cox and Beckford would cost quite a bit more than £1 million

 

I we had £1m to spend on players would you spend it on DMG or Saeijs and two decent strikers from lower leagues, LIKE Cox, Lambert or Beckford

 

:smt075

[callysaint76]

:smt075

 

well don't name players then worth more than 1 million, because we wouldn't be able to buy players LIKE that, with that sort of money.

Cox is worth around 2.5 million so i don't really see what your point is.

Also you said 2 decent strikers, do we have 4 million to spend??? so great idea!

 

I don't see how anyone can slag off McGoldrick when he was the only one who looked like saving us last seaon.

[Saint Charlie]

DMG is so much better than the likes of Lambert anyway. People may not like him as a person or have some weird hatred of him but he is a very promising player who scored a fair few goals, often whilst played as a lone striker or advanced midfielder.

 

I can guarentee know that if we sell him, the replacement would be nowhere near as good.

 

With the prices for others such as Cox, Lambert, Ledley, Blackstock etc £1m is not a good offer, especially as we owe 20% of the fee to Notts Co.

 

Arizona is very much a Saga lover and DMG hater. Well Saga has got loads of good clubs after him hasnt he....strange ofr such an apparantly good player. Oh yes, he had a spell for about 10 games when he was good and that was about 2 years ago!

[Arizona]

well don't name players then worth more than 1 million, because we wouldn't be able to buy players LIKE that, with that sort of money.

Cox is worth around 2.5 million so i don't really see what your point is.

Also you said 2 decent strikers, do we have 4 million to spend??? so great idea!

 

I don't see how anyone can slag off McGoldrick when he was the only one who looked like saving us last seaon.

 

Ok, I'll spell this out as clearly as I can.

 

IF we were to sell DMG for £1m we COULD use the money to buy Jan Paul Saeijs for £500k AND two strikers LIKE Cox, Lambert or Beckford for £200k each from the lower leagues.

 

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THESE EXACT PLAYERS

 

DMG is so much better than the likes of Lambert anyway. People may not like him as a person or have some weird hatred of him but he is a very promising player who scored a fair few goals, often whilst played as a lone striker or advanced midfielder.

 

I can guarentee know that if we sell him, the replacement would be nowhere near as good.

 

With the prices for others such as Cox, Lambert, Ledley, Blackstock etc £1m is not a good offer, especially as we owe 20% of the fee to Notts Co.

 

Arizona is very much a Saga lover and DMG hater. Well Saga has got loads of good clubs after him hasnt he....strange ofr such an apparantly good player. Oh yes, he had a spell for about 10 games when he was good and that was about 2 years ago!

 

The bit's in bold are just retarded. How can you conclusively say that we could never find a player from the lower leagues who could outscore McG? Also, how does repeatedly stating that DMG has improved recently and that I hope he stays qualify me as a DMG hater. Why aim that stupid comment at me and not the dosen or so posters on this thread claiming he is sh*te. I'm not A Saga lover either. I think he is a decent player, but needs to move on for the sake of his own career, same as Skacel. Saga will score for fun in a decent side, and isn't in the Polish NT because he's sleeping with the manager.

[Saint Charlie]

Ok, I'll spell this out as clearly as I can.

 

IF we were to sell DMG for £1m we COULD use the money to buy Jan Paul Saeijs for £500k AND two strikers LIKE Cox, Lambert or Beckford for £200k each from the lower leagues.

 

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THESE EXACT PLAYERS

 

 

 

The bit's in bold are just retarded. How can you conclusively say that we could never find a player from the lower leagues who could outscore McG? Also, how does repeatedly stating that DMG has improved recently and that I hope he stays qualify me as a DMG hater. Why aim that stupid comment at me and not the dosen or so posters on this thread claiming he is sh*te. I'm not A Saga lover either. I think he is a decent player, but needs to move on for the sake of his own career, same as Skacel. Saga will score for fun in a decent side, and isn't in the Polish NT because he's sleeping with the manager.

 

Its great talking if's and could's but all clubs are looking for those players worth 200k who turn out to be great. The reality is they are few and far between.

 

What im getting at is simply that if Lambert and Cox are apparantly worth £2m when they the hell should we settle for half that for a player who has showed he can score goals at CCC level.

 

Those players havent and yet they are being touted at double the fee.

 

I would say IMO that DMG is certainly a miles better player than Lambert, (I havent seen much of Cox) and I would expect DMG, in a decent side in L1 to get 25 goals.

 

We have been brought up on good Prem strikers but we arent at that level anymore. DMG is a far better player than lots on here give him credit for.

 

He scored a comparable amount of goals to lots of the CCC's best strikers in a crap team, often playing in midfield, plus is young (it was his first full season).

 

Im amazed people don't value him higher.

[Arizona]

Its great talking if's and could's but all clubs are looking for those players worth 200k who turn out to be great. The reality is they are few and far between.

 

What im getting at is simply that if Lambert and Cox are apparantly worth £2m when they the hell should we settle for half that for a player who has showed he can score goals at CCC level.

 

Those players havent and yet they are being touted at double the fee.

 

I would say IMO that DMG is certainly a miles better player than Lambert, (I havent seen much of Cox) and I would expect DMG, in a decent side in L1 to get 25 goals.

 

We have been brought up on good Prem strikers but we arent at that level anymore. DMG is a far better player than lots on here give him credit for.

 

He scored a comparable amount of goals to lots of the CCC's best strikers in a crap team, often playing in midfield, plus is young (it was his first full season).

 

Im amazed people don't value him higher.

 

Can't honnestly say I've seen anything of Cox or Lambert, other than the odd clip on The Championship on Sunday mornings. I think the main reason they are being linked with much larger fees is the fact that they scored more than double the goals McG managed last season. I know being in L1 it's easier to score, but I don't think that accounts for the extra 18 goals.

[Saint Charlie]

Goals don't tell the full story always though! Billy Sharp scored 30 in that league but I would have DMG over him any day!

[callysaint76]

Not really what I was getting at. My point is you can pick a gem, even in the Prem, for less than £1m. If we were to sell DMG we could buy half the 25 goal a season L1 strikers listed above, or at least similar players for the same prices. The players listed above sold for large amounts of cash because they were hugely successful in the Prem. DMG has thus far been average in CCC. Nobody is ever going to get £7m for him.

 

For £1m we could buy Beckford, Cox and Lambert, who netted 85 goals between them last year and still have enough cash left for Jan Paul Saeijs.

 

'Beckford, Cox and Lambert'!? For 1million!?

you do talk sh*t!

[Arizona]

'Beckford, Cox and Lambert'!? For 1million!?

you do talk sh*t!

 

Okay, you've got to be winding me up now. Read post 81 again.

[NickG]

think he said them for 200,000 each - so all three for 600,000!

[madsent]

'Beckford, Cox and Lambert'!? For 1million!?

you do talk sh*t!

 

You're doing a great job of agitating on this thread. We all know you couldn't get all 3 for £1m. You may get Beckford as he's got the baggage of some questionable behaviour at Leeds to carry with him. The fact is that these players cost their respective clubs what would have been considered peanuts to us just last season and have scored a large number of goals in League 1.

 

Peterborough paid a grand total of £500k for their 3 best players, all from the conference and they will probably be good in the Championship. That's not to mention Michael Kightly at Wolves who went from the Conference to the Championship (and now the Premier League) without looking out of place. In previous years, players like Geoff Horsfield and Barry Hayles have played in the Premiership after playing in the Conference or lower and Steve Finnan has played in every league from the Conference to the Premier League and has won the UEFA Cup and Champions League.

 

What Arizona is trying to get at is that players of the quality of Beckford, Cox and Lambert are available in reserve teams higher up the leagues and in the first teams lower down the league structure. Unfortunately, we are not in the position of being able to offer contracts to players at the moment so all the best players may have gone by the time we enter the market. Indeed, one of the most likely candidates for success, Steve Morison, has already signed for Millwall from Stevenage.

[Kadeem Hardison]

Ok, I'll spell this out as clearly as I can.

 

IF we were to sell DMG for £1m we COULD use the money to buy Jan Paul Saeijs for £500k AND two strikers LIKE Cox, Lambert or Beckford for £200k each from the lower leagues.

 

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THESE EXACT PLAYERS

 

Why did you name those players though? They are worth more than £1m? You might have well have said "spend £1m on players like Kaka and Christiano Ronaldo.

[Scudamore]

Ok, I'll spell this out as clearly as I can.

 

IF we were to sell DMG for £1m we COULD use the money to buy Jan Paul Saeijs for £500k AND two strikers LIKE Cox, Lambert or Beckford for £200k each from the lower leagues.

 

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THESE EXACT PLAYERS

 

DO NOT use CAPITAL LETTERS in topic titles, nor excessively large fonts in posts. Not only is this construed as shouting, it also causes problems for users browsing the forum on mobile devices.

 

Also we'd need to be good at signing players to use that 1 million. Sadly we're not very good at doing that...

[madsent]

Thought this was an interesting point, so I looked it up. Figures are from Wikipedia, and so are perhaps not exact:

 

29 Goals - Rickie Lambert, £200,000 [Rochdale -> Bristol Rovers, August 2006]

29 Goals - Simon Cox, ~£200,000 [Reading -> Swindon Town, January 2008]

27 Goals - Matty Fryatt, ~£350,000 [Walsall -> Leicester City, January 2006]

27 Goals - Jermaine Beckford, £45,000 [Wealdstone -> Leeds United, March 2006]

24 Goals - Gary Hooper, £175,000 [southend United -> S****horpe United, July 2008]

23 Goals - Craig Mackail-Smith, £125,000 [Dagenham & Redbridge -> Peterborough United, January 2007]

 

In answer to your question then, apparently none of them.

 

Not really what I was getting at. My point is you can pick a gem, even in the Prem, for less than £1m. If we were to sell DMG we could buy half the 25 goal a season L1 strikers listed above, or at least similar players for the same prices. The players listed above sold for large amounts of cash because they were hugely successful in the Prem. DMG has thus far been average in CCC. Nobody is ever going to get £7m for him.

 

For £1m we could buy Beckford, Cox and Lambert, who netted 85 goals between them last year and still have enough cash left for Jan Paul Saeijs.

 

Why did you name those players though? They are worth more than £1m? You might have well have said "spend £1m on players like Kaka and Christiano Ronaldo.

 

Do you see now ? Beckford cost Leeds £45k. Lambert cost Bristol Rovers £200k and Cox cost Swindon £200k. Together that's £445k. None of those players are going to join us but they are indicative of the kinds of signings that are available every year if you know where to look.

[Wiltshire Saint]

I agree. What we need is to find great players for small amounts of money. Now what gives us the edge in this search is that big clubs all want to spend loads so aren't interested in cheapo players. We need to scour the non leagues in search of players like Crouch, Bent and Yakubu but who will cost a fraction of the actual players named. This revolutionary idea should be enough to get us back in the prem withon 3 years.

[Chez]

I agree. What we need is to find great players for small amounts of money. Now what gives us the edge in this search is that big clubs all want to spend loads so aren't interested in cheapo players. We need to scour the non leagues in search of players like Crouch, Bent and Yakubu but who will cost a fraction of the actual players named. This revolutionary idea should be enough to get us back in the prem withon 3 years.

 

we will have had to have done this last season in order to have the knowledge to buy them this summer. Have we?

[70's Mike]

we will have had to have done this last season in order to have the knowledge to buy them this summer. Have we?

 

i doubt it

[Greenridge]

very good point and as soon as I saw him against Reading away I said that he looked just what we needed - height, strength, workrate and ability. Him and BWP would have offered the perfect combination of height and pace. That partnership played all season would have kept us up IMO and Patterson would be the million pond man (if not more). How much did Rangers buy Karl Rafferty for? Patterson looks as good as him to me.

 

Agree with you there, I think Patterson has something about him. As for DMG, there is no doubt the guy has some talent (some of seems to be 'hidden'!) but what seems to be holding him back is his apparent attitude. I really have my doubts he would dig in for us in League 1. Take the money.

[Hopkins]

Whether he stays or not, I have no doubts in my mind that in a few years time he will be a class championship/lower prem player. Looking beyond his goals last year (whether you think it was enough or not) his all round play was good. His link up play, ability to drop off and play off another striker and create chances for himself and others was actually very good. With some good coaching, a bit more experience and a bit more composure at times he'll be a good player.

 

However alot of fans on this forum have very blinkered views and like alot of football fans in general once they see someone not running around like a headless chicken and with a slightly laid back stance they automatically assume they don't give a ****, have attitude problems, think they are the tits and are all around gash.

 

This despite the fact that when playing in the hole towards the end of last season he worked his nuts off. Some would say he should have done this while playing as a striker but you strikers on there own upfront don't need to be chasing everything down, they need to be hanging around upfront and finding gaps and creating chances. Something he did more than anyone in the whole league last year. His problem was his finishing, but like I said with some coaching and composure he'll be a cracking little player.

[Chez]

i doubt it

 

seeing as we have been relegation candidates for months (well all season actually) and having zero funds available I think I'd of had my scouts looking in league 1, 2 and below rather than above.

 

I'd be very interested to know if anyone on here knows any of our scouts and withotu naming names have they spent a lot of the season doing just that. I mean how many times have they watched N'Geussen for example?

[Chez]

Whether he stays or not, I have no doubts in my mind that in a few years time he will be a class championship/lower prem player. Looking beyond his goals last year (whether you think it was enough or not) his all round play was good. His link up play, ability to drop off and play off another striker and create chances for himself and others was actually very good. With some good coaching, a bit more experience and a bit more composure at times he'll be a good player.

 

However alot of fans on this forum have very blinkered views and like alot of football fans in general once they see someone not running around like a headless chicken and with a slightly laid back stance they automatically assume they don't give a ****, have attitude problems, think they are the tits and are all around gash.

 

This despite the fact that when playing in the hole towards the end of last season he worked his nuts off. Some would say he should have done this while playing as a striker but you strikers on there own upfront don't need to be chasing everything down, they need to be hanging around upfront and finding gaps and creating chances. Something he did more than anyone in the whole league last year. His problem was his finishing, but like I said with some coaching and composure he'll be a cracking little player.

 

some very good observations in your post. I agree with just about all of it especially his ability to link the play. The lad has a very good first touch and then the vision to do somethign with it.

 

The one thing I would say was that when he was playing up front on his own he simply did not work hard enough to get in the box. He never busted a gut to get in the six yard box ever. He made exactly the same runs (or lack of them) as when he was asked to play at the head of the diamond. The difference being was when he was in that formation it actually helped us that he held back and provided some cover should the move break down. When he was the only striker there was not a need for him to walk to the enge of the box, we needed him right in there. Casual, laid back or lazy? When playing up front he was lazy IMO (and I had backed him all season I must add). He certainly bucked up though once Stern John ****ed off. Funny that.

 

He has quality and for that reason I don't want him to go because I have seen an ever eroding levels of quality at the club over the last 5 years. We''ll sell him and then buy ****e.