um pahars Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 No I blame the fireman for not being bothered to come and put it out. Sadly Hugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Wotte, Wilde & Lowe couldn't manage to put the fire out. The public are always told to evacuate the building and leave it the professionals, it's just a pity that our part time firecrew proved totally inept at saving the building (which is also a bit naughty considering they set fire to it in the first place). PS Just why were you banned as Sundance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Disagree and to be honest my opinions as to why I think that have been laboured to the point I now bore myself with the logic so apologies for not entering that debate again. now you know how most feel about your posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Have to say Dowie and Flowers would do for me! Ex Saints and hopefully more in tune with what it will take to get us moving again! ffs..........................nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo how many times does someone need to fail before some people notice!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dowie is just a name and that's it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 now you know how most feel about your posts Self - deprecation is good for the soul. I somehow doubt you have ever tried it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 ffs..........................nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo how many times does someone need to fail before some people notice!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dowie is just a name and that's it! Could you please post this again and add Tisdale's name to it. Apparently we want an experienced manager and he fits the bill according to the majority on this forum. Has the earth moved off its axis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Self - deprecation is good for the soul. I somehow doubt you have ever tried it. How would you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 How would you know. Sorry I can't take part in a girl fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Sorry I can't take part in a girl fight With your multiple identities, you could make a great tag team all by yourself;) PS Just why were you banned when you posted under Flashman At The Charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Could you please post this again and add Tisdale's name to it. Apparently we want an experienced manager and he fits the bill according to the majority on this forum. Has the earth moved off its axis? today is the 4th June 2009... and it shall be known as the day that we finally agree on something! Lets all remember it :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 ffs..........................nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo how many times does someone need to fail before some people notice!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dowie is just a name and that's it! it might be worth getting used to the idea we are a third division club!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Not sure I've ever heard such flawed logic... Leave the current incumbent to it - who wasn't well qualified for the job in the first place, was complicit in our failure, was actually at the helm when we went down (with as dispirited and disorganised a team as I have seen in 40+ years as a Saints fan) - because, erm, well he's in the job already and knows which players we have; oh and he'll be easier to get rid of when he fails. Erm, OK... So, by the same token should we call back Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde too since they "know how to run the club"?! Please, get real - there is ample time for an experienced manager to suss out who we need to keep / who we don't and identify transfer targets. In fact, I'd be amazed if we didn't already have someone lined up - and you can be sure Matty will be giving his view on our squad and potential targets. This should be one of the most exciting phases in the club's history - despite where we are, we get to "start over". In fact, scratch that, it WILL BE one of the most exciting phases... and you want to keep the guy in charge now (I won't go over his record again) because there isn't enough time to for someone new to come in? Please... you even have 19 Canteen agreeing with you - now that really should start alarm bells ringing!!! FFS I didnt say I wanted this to happen. I was just trying to explain why I would understand if the new owners stuck with Wotte for a season. I think he can do better than he has shown with a different situation at the club. I would be more than happy if he gets replaced with just about anyone as long as they get the support from the top that has been lacking for years. The longer it takes to replace him though the harder the new man will find things and as we are so supportive of the club when things go bad the less time he will have before the fans turn on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 My guess is that it all depends on the Pinnacle budget as some of the names mentioned here will only be interested if the team can be largely rebuilt in their own image. If the funds are not available to attract a "name" then Wotte would be a more than adequate choice IMO but I'd set him a definite target to be achieved by the year end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 today is the 4th June 2009... and it shall be known as the day that we finally agree on something! Lets all remember it :-) Duly noted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 My guess is that it all depends on the Pinnacle budget as some of the names mentioned here will only be interested if the team can be largely rebuilt in their own image. If the funds are not available to attract a "name" then Wotte would be a more than adequate choice IMO but I'd set him a definite target to be achieved by the year end. Guess? I would suggest that you have summarised the reality of the situation and come to a reasonable conclusion. You have no place on this forum with such reasoned opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 He has done well at Leicester but we only know that with the benefit of hindsight. I'm afraid that just doesn't rub. I and many other said at the time that we had got a decent guy here and he had done a a very good job at our place so hinsight does not come into play. What has happened at Leicester simply proves we were right about him. Lowe should have recognised that we had stumbled on a decent manager and signed him up. I realise money may have been the deciding factor but good managers are hard to find and we had one in our grasp. Time will tell but based on his record there is no way you could have employed Pearson with any confidence last season at the time the decision was made. rubbish. see above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 I'm afraid that just doesn't rub. I and many other said at the time that we had got a decent guy here and he had done a a very good job at our place so hinsight does not come into play. What has happened at Leicester simply proves we were right about him. Lowe should have recognised that we had stumbled on a decent manager and signed him up. I realise money may have been the deciding factor but good managers are hard to find and we had one in our grasp. rubbish. see above. Classic after timing and no doubt you were applauding the merits of Strachan when he was appointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Classic after timing and no doubt you were applauding the merits of Strachan when he was appointed. has he got the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 has he got the job? I hope not. He struggled to win a two horse race and with far stronger financial resources. IMO Saints was to Strachan what Ipswich was to Burley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Pearson's tenure at the club yielded a win ratio of 21% and didn't have to worry about motivating players post administration when most were probably ringing round their agents. as you keep rolling out the 21% stat I'll repeat the fact that our win ratio in the 8 league games before he took over was 12.5%. We were going backwards at an alarming rate and he managed to turn that round by galvanising the squad and getting them fighting like their lives depended on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 My guess is that it all depends on the Pinnacle budget as some of the names mentioned here will only be interested if the team can be largely rebuilt in their own image. I'm kind of hoping that if Dowie does indeed get the job that he won't be trying to - as you suggest - find a team in his own image. Still, be nice to welcome Mr Ormerod back I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 as you keep rolling out the 21% stat I'll repeat the fact that our win ratio in the 8 league games before he took over was 12.5%. We were going backwards at an alarming rate and he managed to turn that round by galvanising the squad and getting them fighting like their lives depended on it. Yes i heard you the first time. So we went from 1 win in 8 to 3 wins in 14 which included a nerve jangling scraped 1-0 win over Leicester and the most abject performance ever by a Saints team against a side 4 months earlier we had stuffed 4-0. I'm surprised the FA didn't ditch Capello. Thank God all 3 of our goalkeepers got injured at the same time - a most common occurence in football that allowed us to pay a premiership goalkeeper to quite literally save us and Pearson's undeserved reputation. As I say time will tell unless you can rival Mystic Meg as you seemingly can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Yes i heard you the first time. So we went from 1 win in 8 to 3 wins in 14 which included a nerve jangling scraped 1-0 win over Leicester and the most abject performance ever by a Saints team against a side 4 months earlier we had stuffed 4-0. I'm surprised the FA didn't ditch Capello. Thank God all 3 of our goalkeepers got injured at the same time - a most common occurence in football that allowed us to pay a premiership goalkeeper to quite literally save us and Pearson's undeserved reputation. As I say time will tell unless you can rival Mystic Meg as you seemingly can. Sometimes you utter the most inane twaddle. So much so, that one is forced to the conclusion that you have to be a troll on a wind-up. The fact of the matter is that Pearson came in late in the season to take over a team that was sinking fast, remotivated it, improved fitness levels, made some good loan signings and managed to save us from relegation by the skin of our teeth. Subsequently, Lowe made one of the biggest mistakes of his time here and dismissed him, replacing him with far less competent Dutchmen who oversaw our relegation, simultaneously to Pearson gaining promotion for Leicester. Most on here believe that Pearson would have kept us up last season even under the same circumstances inherited by the inept Dutch duo. Most would certainly have Pearson top of their list of candidates to take over as manager right now if he could be pursuaded to return. But of course, he has no reason to leave Leicester and could well gain them promotion back to the Premiership. He was treated badly by Lowe and could have the last laugh over us if he wanted. But he is a better man than that and has more dignity than to laugh at our predicament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Yes i heard you the first time. So we went from 1 win in 8 to 3 wins in 14 which included a nerve jangling scraped 1-0 win over Leicester and the most abject performance ever by a Saints team against a side 4 months earlier we had stuffed 4-0. I'm surprised the FA didn't ditch Capello. Thank God all 3 of our goalkeepers got injured at the same time - a most common occurence in football that allowed us to pay a premiership goalkeeper to quite literally save us and Pearson's undeserved reputation. As I say time will tell unless you can rival Mystic Meg as you seemingly can. Oh come on NC.....listen, Pearson turned around a squad that was even more ineffective under the Scottish Idiot....who should go down in history as the worst manager we ever appointed (yes even above Branfoot)... Simple fact of the matter in my mind is this...had Pearson been allowed to continue, we would NOT have been relegated... Doesn't change what has happened..but... To quote the Meerkats....'Simples' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Also Nineteen suggests that because we were unfortunate to lose all three of our goalkeepers, we were almost saved single-handedly by a Premiership goallie. His memory is obviously very selective, in that one of our injured goalkeepers had also been a Premiership goallie too not that long before. Doesn't Nineteen reckon that Pearson is to be commended for having the savvy for getting in Wright and indeed two pretty good CBs too? That was something that Burley never managed to suss out while he was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Also Nineteen suggests that because we were unfortunate to lose all three of our goalkeepers, we were almost saved single-handedly by a Premiership goallie. His memory is obviously very selective, in that one of our injured goalkeepers had also been a Premiership goallie too not that long before. Doesn't Nineteen reckon that Pearson is to be commended for having the savvy for getting in Wright and indeed two pretty good CBs too? That was something that Burley never managed to suss out while he was here. Because..that would mean giving credit to Crouch for backing him in that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Oh come on NC.....listen, Pearson turned around a squad that was even more ineffective under the Scottish Idiot....who should go down in history as the worst manager we ever appointed (yes even above Branfoot)... Simple fact of the matter in my mind is this...had Pearson been allowed to continue, we would NOT have been relegated... Doesn't change what has happened..but... To quote the Meerkats....'Simples' Seconded. Lowe sacked Pearson because - appaently - he was asking for too much money. But I suspect it was because he was not a yes man and would have stood up to the ruddy faced buffoon. I also believe that he did a really good job here, principally in identifying and luring a decent keeper and defence, which was the real key to survival (and indeed progression of any club). He is the only one to have pulled this off in many years at Saints. So we sacked him. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 My guess is that it all depends on the Pinnacle budget as some of the names mentioned here will only be interested if the team can be largely rebuilt in their own image. If the funds are not available to attract a "name" then Wotte would be a more than adequate choice IMO but I'd set him a definite target to be achieved by the year end. Serious question re Wotte ..... and Poortvliet for that matter ...... After Lowe's crazy decisions, they were left with NO experience NO proven striker, at CCC level NO proven defence, at CCC level They just had a Squad just out of nappies from the Academy Were you surprised that the Team FAILED ...... I certainly was not Thanks to Lowe, it was a disaster waiting to happen SO, given all that ........ WHO could have kept us up ??? Give Jenson Button a Skoda, and he would never win a Grand Prix, no matter how good he himself is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Surman to Cardiff ? http://www.cardiff.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=156457 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Surman to Cardiff ? http://www.cardiff.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=156457 Where did they dream up that fee from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsfannick Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 can they not just offiicially buy the club before we delve into managers, transfers, wages etc, the future of the club is still in the balance, let's get it wrapped up ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 why does EVERY thread turn into either a Lowe, Wilde, Crouch, NP, Poorfleet bashing? Its been done to death, move on! We have a new Dawn occuring yet people are still stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 why does EVERY thread turn into either a Lowe, Wilde, Crouch, NP, Poorfleet bashing? Its been done to death, move on! We have a new Dawn occuring yet people are still stuck. We may have a New Dawn ...... but the Sun has yet to come up ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 We may have a New Dawn ...... but the Sun has yet to come up ........ yes, but that still doesnt explain why most posters are choose to go over the same old BS time and time again. Move on..go out and enjoy the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 why does EVERY thread turn into either a Lowe, bashing? . Not EVERY thread ........ I distinctly remember posting one in 2001, about the weather .............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Given choice I'd keep Ras and Surman but not Wotte. If either of them want away though, I wouldn't try to stop them. We need commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Apologies...I know I know...stop feeding the trolls.... I find it difficult not to respond when only one side of an argument is being spouted...yes it's all history now I know that... forgive, but never forget how we got here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Disagree and to be honest my opinions as to why I think that have been laboured to the point I now bore myself with the logic so apologies for not entering that debate again. Your delusion is now entering into the "David Icke" realms. Best to zip it for a while I'd say and give yourself a bit of a rest (a la Susan Boyle)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 I think allot of those reasons are why I would be happy(ish) for Wotte to stay for a season. He knows what we have, what we dont have and what we will not have and he has also been busy looking for replacements that will fit in with this league. If he can find a few like Size then next season might not look as bad as we fear. I dont expect mega bucks to be thrown at the team for Wotte or anyone else so anyone coming in will have a limited time to get things sorted. Wotte has a head start on that which might make him the better candidate for now? 'Mega bucks' as in 5 million or more being thrown at the team, wouldn't work in the division we are now in, the players that fit that tag would under perform once they have been kicked around a bit. We need good players that can handle a bit of abuse from the oppo's, so it makes sense to try to recruit the best players from the league we are now in. Or at least cherry pick the best players from each of the teams in the bottom half of our division and the best players from the top half of league 2. In my opinion we should be able to put a very good side together for around £2 Million, when added to the squad we already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Classic after timing and no doubt you were applauding the merits of Strachan when he was appointed. after timing? No idea what you are trying to say but you are welcome to check through my posts and you will see that at the time I thought Pearson shoudl be retained. If you are trying to point out the Lowe did well with WGS then you are right. Not sure what bearing this has though on him letting pearson go and bringing in JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 As I say time will tell unless you can rival Mystic Meg as you seemingly can. and there's nme thinking it was you that was mystic meg offering us preditions that we would have gone down with Pearson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Thank God all 3 of our goalkeepers got injured at the same time - a most common occurence in football that allowed us to pay a premiership goalkeeper to quite literally save us and Pearson's undeserved reputation. As I say time will tell unless you can rival Mystic Meg as you seemingly can. time has told. We didn't employ him and the next guy took us down, or will you only conceed once he has kept Leicester up? No doubt that will be down to Mandrichs millions though so we will never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
end of an era2 Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Rasiak back to Watford and Saga back to Poland? Depends who gets to manage Watford now that Rogers has gone to Reading doesn't it.They said they couldn't afford his wage demands so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Yes i heard you the first time. So we went from 1 win in 8 to 3 wins in 14 which included a nerve jangling scraped 1-0 win over Leicester and the most abject performance ever by a Saints team against a side 4 months earlier we had stuffed 4-0. I'm surprised the FA didn't ditch Capello. my mistake we went from 1 win in 13 league games. Plus an embaressing defeat to Bristol Rovers in the FA cup showed how truely bad we were at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 my mistake we went from 1 win in 13 league games. Plus an embaressing defeat to Bristol Rovers in the FA cup showed how truely bad we were at that point. Chez. Don't bother with 19. My mother used to say "there's none so stupid as those who will not listen". These points have been made to him on countless occasions but they don't seem to register with him. He seems to think that he is debating by droning on and on and on making the same point and ignoring any counter arguments. I think he is what you call a troll!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 (edited) Chez. Don't bother with 19. My mother used to say "there's none so stupid as those who will not listen". These points have been made to him on countless occasions but they don't seem to register with him. He seems to think that he is debating by droning on and on and on making the same point and ignoring any counter arguments. I think he is what you call a troll!! no worries, I usually just spend my time arguing with Arizona about Skacel or Saga. I didn't realise there were still people out there that think Pearson was useless. He has a point in that we spent a kings ransom on loans to keep us up, but I can't imagine we would have signed so many ****e players over the summer if he had been here. Michael Morrison would have been at centre half for starters. Edited 4 June, 2009 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 Not EVERY thread ........ I distinctly remember posting one in 2001, about the weather .............. yes, yes you are right. I remember that! Ahh those were the days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 yes, yes you are right. I remember that! Ahh those were the days If it helps .... I can email you copies of all my other posts ?????:):cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 'Mega bucks' as in 5 million or more being thrown at the team, wouldn't work in the division we are now in, the players that fit that tag would under perform once they have been kicked around a bit. We need good players that can handle a bit of abuse from the oppo's, so it makes sense to try to recruit the best players from the league we are now in. Or at least cherry pick the best players from each of the teams in the bottom half of our division and the best players from the top half of league 2. In my opinion we should be able to put a very good side together for around £2 Million, when added to the squad we already have. thats what i was thinking. i doubt it will matter how rich the new owner is or isnt becuase this season will be run on a tight budget. the players that think they are CCC players have proved for the last 2 seasons that they are far from it so it would be nice to think we can choose who we keep and who we ship out. add to that a few choice buys and we should be ok even if fan the flames were to be our next manager. I will be amazed if we get any decent offers based on the potential our players once had though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 and there's nme thinking it was you that was mystic meg offering us preditions that we would have gone down with Pearson. tbf I think 19C was suggesting that had we gone into admin at around the same timescales last season as we did this season then Pearson would have probably not been able to see us safe. its quite likly the team's work and confidence would have been shot to shiit and we would have finished in the bottom 3. we only just scraped through without the threat of admin so if that had been a factor it would not be suprising if we went the same way. dont think i have seen anyone suggest we would have gone down this season had we kept pearson. Personally I think we would have also avoided admin as we would have possibly played better, won more and kept a better gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 4 June, 2009 Share Posted 4 June, 2009 yes, but that still doesnt explain why most posters are choose to go over the same old BS time and time again. Move on..go out and enjoy the sun It may very well be the same old BS ....BUT We CANNOT yet move on ..... WHY ??? Because, in reality, we are STILL IN ADMINISTRATION .... WITH NO OWNER We HOPE that Pinnacle do the deal, but, as we speak THEY HAVE YET SO TO DO ........... Do not count your chickens etc etc ........ as regards the sun ......... I AM enjoying it thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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