Frank's cousin Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 As opposed to the way he acted when Lowe was here and for that reason alone get rid of the ****. You are praising him for what he should be doing as a professional manager, he should act professionally and with dignity, he is only worried about his future in English football. My piece of advice to Wotte The F**K is take one of the many jobs you've been offered and try not to slag the fans off in future. Never understood why some fans had a problem with what he said - maybe the ruth hurts now and again - all he said was stay aways hurtig the club - and that was TRUE, MOre fans at games will have a positive impact - less fans less dosh, less atmosphere Manager calls for fans to attend big shock... some folk are so over sensitive when it comes to being criticised yet you are quite happy to sling the dirt/ insults in his direction publically as witnessed by some of teh comments on this and other threads really daft - what are ya all big girls? 'Mummy the nasty manager who we hate because he does not seem very good and Lowe empoyed him said we were crap fans because we stopped going when the we were not winning...' ..... Jeez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 June, 2009 and remember it was two days after the schoolboy organising it had been in paper saying the protest was against silly decisions like appointing Wotte! Not going to be feeling the love of the fans protesting was he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Get rid of Wotte. Not only is he an under performing, arrogant, proven failure in just about every job he has held, but a clean slate (no involvement whatsoever of 'the old guard" with any aspect of the club) is extremely important right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 I could not disagree with this more. We only just managed to avoid releagtion the previous season and every man and his dog knew that the side contained less quality when we started the new season. I think anyone with sense knew that we would be relegated or very close to relegation with the players at Jan's and then Wotte's disposal. If I'm honest I was very surprised at what an excellent footballing side we were at the start of the season with players like Davis, Lallana and Cork playing out of their skin. But when the resukts didn't go our way confidence dissapeared, the side performance dropped badly and then it was pretty much a foregone conclusion after that. I'm not saying Jan and Wotte did not make lots of mistakes or that they are good managers but with the finances the way they were we had no chance. I met MLT briefly just before the start of last season, he turned up to wish a friend's son happy 18th birthday, and what a top bloke he was for doing it. I asked him whether he thought we'd be pressing for promotion or battling relegation come seasons end, he was unambiguous about it, said we'd get bullied out of the c/ship and he'd be surprised if we stayed up. This was when most of us were talking about The Dutch Experiment, and probably a lot of us thought it a good idea or at least worth a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 I think people believe Wotte walked through the doors in January for the first time - forgetting that he was complicit in the first half of the season. I agree with you though, he was an improvement on JP, but then I would have been too! I don't see any point in stability for stability's sake... that's fine if you have the right man in the job (and why I wanted to see Nigel Pearson continue, despite him only just saving us from relegation). I just do not see Wotte as that man - and he carries too much "Lowe baggage" in my book to win the majority of fans over (and us all pulling in the same direction is going to be crucial). Have to say, your apparent writing off of this season is disappointing - before we even know who our new owners is, and who our manager will be!! There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that we can't aim for a play-off place, despite our negative points start. I hope most of us have left the negative "make do and mend" Lowe years behind - time to look forward and show a bit of ambition, not write ourselves off already!! COYS! Im not niieve enough to think Wotte had nothing to do with the 1st half of the season but as I said previously I read the "management team" differently than some others. IMO the "team" consisted of all management in the club and they were all there to assist the 1st team manager however they could. That again IMO does not mean there ideas/decissions directly effected the 1st team. The changes were obvious when Wotte took charge so unless he was feeding naff ideas to JP its hard to see how JP was following anyone but his own ideas. I do admit though that they were brought in together so should have been singing from the same song sheet and as such they both share the blame for the outcome. The main reason behind my thinking of stability now is if the new owners take 3 weeks to get there feet in the door, then they dont have much time to get someone in before the season starts. and as such that person wont have much time to change things to his way of thinking ready for a half decent pre-season. we are up againsts it with -10 already and the only realistic talk about our team is who is on there way out. lets face it, for the last 2 seasons we have had a team that deserved to be league 1 at best and we are getting ready to start league 1 with an even weeker team than the past couple of years. So a new person coming in will have a mamouth task to achieve anything reasonable this coming season which is why the small head start Wotte has got might see us better off for this coming year. Its all well and good putting on the red and white glasses thinking we will aim for play offs but some major work needs to be done to the club and team for this to become realistic. If Wotte gets a year and does nothing more than see us safe then I doubt the new owners will keep him on. If he gets us to playoffs or within reach then he will have shown he is better than last seasons results and may deserve a further contract. Its not going to hurt the club to keep him for a season is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Its not going to hurt the club to keep him for a season is it? Yes. It hurt us keeping him last season. He should have gone at the same time as Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Get rid of Wotte. Not only is he an under performing, arrogant, proven failure in just about every job he has held, but a clean slate (no involvement whatsoever of 'the old guard" with any aspect of the club) is extremely important right now. Does that include all the players too? Some of those kids were championed by Lowe and only got there chance because of his revolutionary set up so I guess we should just scrap the acadamy too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Yes. It hurt us keeping him last season. He should have gone at the same time as Jan. But to be replaced with by who? We all know the state of the finances now so I dont see who we would of been able to afford that could have done better at that stage? In hindsight we would have kept Pearson and maybe he would have got us playing better and winning games which therefor kept the gates up and the bank happy. But thats allot of Ifs to go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 But to be replaced with by who? We all know the state of the finances now so I dont see who we would of been able to afford that could have done better at that stage? In hindsight we would have kept Pearson and maybe he would have got us playing better and winning games which therefor kept the gates up and the bank happy. But thats allot of Ifs to go on. Ask Matt. He knows his onions and I can't see him keeping Wotte on. I can't see the mysterious investor being happy with him being kept on as manager either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Wotte must go..too smooth,like Burley had his favourites and played them, come hell or high water. New brooms are not always best but for us after all the upsets of the last few seasons we need fresh blood and passion for S.F.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint ReN Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Rasiak back to Watford and Saga back to Poland? Rasiak wont be off to watford. Too expensive apparently! http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11686_5355785,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 They are always going to say something like that though, probably an attempt to make us pay a % of his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Ask Matt. He knows his onions and I can't see him keeping Wotte on. I can't see the mysterious investor being happy with him being kept on as manager either. I was refering to when JP left and matt was nout to do with a take over and neither was the mystery man. We hardly had many options so can understand why Wotte took over. As for now, anyone Matt or anyone else brings in will have a short space of time to get things sorted and then try to make next season look like we achieved something. not an easy task for anyone which is why if Wotte gets the nod for a season it wont do anything to damage the next managers chances should things not get any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 and remember it was two days after the schoolboy organising it had been in paper saying the protest was against silly decisions like appointing Wotte! Not going to be feeling the love of the fans protesting was he? Little Connor was rather prophetic though wasn't he, as Wotte was complicit in our relegation. And it looks as though maybe we weren't easy in our judgement after all as the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up proved to be an abject failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Its not going to hurt the club to keep him for a season is it? In a word - YES it is potentially going to hurt the club. Let's stop fannying around with failed managers and start planning for the future. I for one have no wish to see us sit around mid-table in the 3rd Division, or lower, with an incompetent manager. Called me old fashioned, but I'd rather Pinnacle appointed the right man now and then lets all just GET ON WITH IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 He has got to go he is NOT up to the job. There are pleny of very good proven managers at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Never understood why some fans had a problem with what he said - maybe the ruth hurts now and again - all he said was stay aways hurtig the club - and that was TRUE, MOre fans at games will have a positive impact - less fans less dosh, less atmosphere Manager calls for fans to attend big shock... some folk are so over sensitive when it comes to being criticised yet you are quite happy to sling the dirt/ insults in his direction publically as witnessed by some of teh comments on this and other threads really daft - what are ya all big girls? 'Mummy the nasty manager who we hate because he does not seem very good and Lowe empoyed him said we were crap fans because we stopped going when the we were not winning...' ..... Jeez You really act like a pr**k at times. In my opinion him saying things about fans was out of order, he's been at the club for five minutes slagging off people that have been putting their hard earned into the club for years. People were rightly ****ed of with the club and the football being served up and Wotte, instead of offering understanding, treated the fans (just like you do) as though they were having a childish tantrum. He turned of Jan when he left even though he was part of the management team. He runs with the foxes and the hounds all in self preservation. He knows that he's better of in English management so he backed up his champion and crossed the line and now he is trying to keep his head down because it serves him best. Oh and he is a **** manager who failed to keep us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 In a word - YES it is potentially going to hurt the club. Let's stop fannying around with failed managers and start planning for the future. I for one have no wish to see us sit around mid-table in the 3rd Division, or lower, with an incompetent manager. Called me old fashioned, but I'd rather Pinnacle appointed the right man now and then lets all just GET ON WITH IT! OK lets say in 3 weeks time Pinnacle get there mystery man in. within a week they have put a new manager in place. Take your pick at who cause it doesnt matter much at this stage. That manager then has to evaluate the squad (whats left of it) identify new players, get pre-season sorted and the team fit and then start a tough season on -10. get any of that wrong and his head will be called for half way through the season as we will be facing yet another relegation. So IMO I would rather that be Wotte as he is more expendable when looking at our long term future. He has a head start in knowing the team and what we are likly to be without and what we are likly to need. He has a better chance of seeing us safe when we can then get a manager of choice in while giving him enough time to prepare for the following season on equal points. If and yes its a big IF, he does exceptionally well then he may earn the right to continue but I would say he would have to get a playoff place at least from -10 to earn that. So if we have a clear out the sooner it happens the better the chances of the new person, but this take over is dragging out a little so I dont hold much hope for any new people coming in. With us lot baying for blood its going to be even harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 You really act like a pr**k at times. In my opinion him saying things about fans was out of order, he's been at the club for five minutes slagging off people that have been putting their hard earned into the club for years. People were rightly ****ed of with the club and the football being served up and Wotte, instead of offering understanding, treated the fans (just like you do) as though they were having a childish tantrum. He turned of Jan when he left even though he was part of the management team. He runs with the foxes and the hounds all in self preservation. He knows that he's better of in English management so he backed up his champion and crossed the line and now he is trying to keep his head down because it serves him best. Oh and he is a **** manager who failed to keep us up. Wotte was well within his rights to say what he did and no doubt you would have done the same if some spotty teenager and a few easily led fans held a pathetic and misguided protest asking for your dismissal after 10 minutes in the job along with the chairman who supported you. If we had gone into administration the season before last when Pearson engineered our drop into the bottom three I am fairly confident the alleged messiah would have also got us relegated. Wotte like Lowe and the rest of the loyal fans were ultimately victims of the actions of our deserting, moaning and peculiar supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 OK lets say in 3 weeks time Pinnacle get there mystery man in. within a week they have put a new manager in place. Take your pick at who cause it doesnt matter much at this stage. That manager then has to evaluate the squad (whats left of it) identify new players, get pre-season sorted and the team fit and then start a tough season on -10. get any of that wrong and his head will be called for half way through the season as we will be facing yet another relegation. So IMO I would rather that be Wotte as he is more expendable when looking at our long term future. He has a head start in knowing the team and what we are likly to be without and what we are likly to need. He has a better chance of seeing us safe when we can then get a manager of choice in while giving him enough time to prepare for the following season on equal points. If and yes its a big IF, he does exceptionally well then he may earn the right to continue but I would say he would have to get a playoff place at least from -10 to earn that. So if we have a clear out the sooner it happens the better the chances of the new person, but this take over is dragging out a little so I dont hold much hope for any new people coming in. With us lot baying for blood its going to be even harder. Far to sensible for a loyal and reasonable Saints supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 He has got to go he is NOT up to the job. There are pleny of very good proven managers at this level. So why is Tisdale top of the pops? Bigger gamble than Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Wotte's had offers from abroad? What waiting tables on the Costa del Sol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 I met MLT briefly just before the start of last season, he turned up to wish a friend's son happy 18th birthday, and what a top bloke he was for doing it. I asked him whether he thought we'd be pressing for promotion or battling relegation come seasons end, he was unambiguous about it, said we'd get bullied out of the c/ship and he'd be surprised if we stayed up. This was when most of us were talking about The Dutch Experiment, and probably a lot of us thought it a good idea or at least worth a try. let me just say that I, like most others on here were singing from the same sheet as Matt. The Dutch experiement was seen as a terrible appointment right from the begining. No hindsight was required, the vast majority thought it was madness and we were doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 He has got to go he is NOT up to the job. There are pleny of very good proven managers at this level. Wotte Win ratio 22% Relegated No passion No fight Tactically naive Now overseen the financial implosion of two clubs Why are people even considering this man for the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Wotte was well within his rights to say what he did and no doubt you would have done the same if some spotty teenager and a few easily led fans held a pathetic and misguided protest asking for your dismissal after 10 minutes in the job along with the chairman who supported you. If we had gone into administration the season before last when Pearson engineered our drop into the bottom three I am fairly confident the alleged messiah would have also got us relegated. Wotte like Lowe and the rest of the loyal fans were ultimately victims of the actions of our deserting, moaning and peculiar supporters. funnily enough I have no argument with your first point, but I'm not sure why you think Pearson would have done a worse job than Jan and then Wotte - how could he have done? I'd of thought getting Leicester promoted proved he has ability, something many of us recognised pretty quickly. Also I prefer to think that ALL the fans were victims or the poor financial decisions made by Lowes boardroom replacements, and then by Lowe's Dutch experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Wotte Now overseen the financial implosion of two clubs not sure Wotte had that much to do with our financial predicament. £6.5m overdrawn before he even walked through the door FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 OK lets say in 3 weeks time Pinnacle get there mystery man in. within a week they have put a new manager in place. Take your pick at who cause it doesnt matter much at this stage. That manager then has to evaluate the squad (whats left of it) identify new players, get pre-season sorted and the team fit and then start a tough season on -10. get any of that wrong and his head will be called for half way through the season as we will be facing yet another relegation. So IMO I would rather that be Wotte as he is more expendable when looking at our long term future. He has a head start in knowing the team and what we are likly to be without and what we are likly to need. He has a better chance of seeing us safe when we can then get a manager of choice in while giving him enough time to prepare for the following season on equal points. If and yes its a big IF, he does exceptionally well then he may earn the right to continue but I would say he would have to get a playoff place at least from -10 to earn that. So if we have a clear out the sooner it happens the better the chances of the new person, but this take over is dragging out a little so I dont hold much hope for any new people coming in. With us lot baying for blood its going to be even harder. Not sure I've ever heard such flawed logic... Leave the current incumbent to it - who wasn't well qualified for the job in the first place, was complicit in our failure, was actually at the helm when we went down (with as dispirited and disorganised a team as I have seen in 40+ years as a Saints fan) - because, erm, well he's in the job already and knows which players we have; oh and he'll be easier to get rid of when he fails. Erm, OK... So, by the same token should we call back Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde too since they "know how to run the club"?! Please, get real - there is ample time for an experienced manager to suss out who we need to keep / who we don't and identify transfer targets. In fact, I'd be amazed if we didn't already have someone lined up - and you can be sure Matty will be giving his view on our squad and potential targets. This should be one of the most exciting phases in the club's history - despite where we are, we get to "start over". In fact, scratch that, it WILL BE one of the most exciting phases... and you want to keep the guy in charge now (I won't go over his record again) because there isn't enough time to for someone new to come in? Please... you even have 19 Canteen agreeing with you - now that really should start alarm bells ringing!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Redstripe Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Wotte Now overseen the financial implosion of two clubs Why are people even considering this man for the job? Think it's a bit harsh to think he's had much to do with the finances of the club, if that's what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 (edited) Wotte was well within his rights to say what he did and no doubt you would have done the same if some spotty teenager and a few easily led fans held a pathetic and misguided protest asking for your dismissal after 10 minutes in the job along with the chairman who supported you. If we had gone into administration the season before last when Pearson engineered our drop into the bottom three I am fairly confident the alleged messiah would have also got us relegated. Wotte like Lowe and the rest of the loyal fans were ultimately victims of the actions of our deserting, moaning and peculiar supporters. You keep banging that drum but no one apart from a few idiots on here (and you the leader of the fools) think it's the fans fault for administration. The fact you agree with StJ77 shows your intellect is limited. Edited 3 June, 2009 by Fan The Flames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Wotte Win ratio 22% Relegated No passion No fight Tactically naive Now overseen the financial implosion of two clubs Why are people even considering this man for the job?[/QUOTE] Why was Pearson considered so pivotal to our success? Win ratio 21% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Why was Pearson considered so pivotal to our success? Win ratio 21% Erm, because he kept us up... (and at least had organisation, authority and the fans behind him). Clear now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Not sure I've ever heard such flawed logic... Leave the current incumbent to it - who wasn't well qualified for the job in the first place, was complicit in our failure, was actually at the helm when we went down (with as dispirited and disorganised a team as I have seen in 40+ years as a Saints fan) - because, erm, well he's in the job already and knows which players we have; oh and he'll be easier to get rid of when he fails. Erm, OK... So, by the same token should we call back Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde too since they "know how to run the club"?! Please, get real - there is ample time for an experienced manager to suss out who we need to keep / who we don't and identify transfer targets. In fact, I'd be amazed if we didn't already have someone lined up - and you can be sure Matty will be giving his view on our squad and potential targets. This should be one of the most exciting phases in the club's history - despite where we are, we get to "start over". In fact, scratch that, it WILL BE one of the most exciting phases... and you want to keep the guy in charge now (I won't go over his record again) because there isn't enough time to for someone new to come in? Please... you even have 19 Canteen agreeing with you - now that really should start alarm bells ringing!!! Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 You keep banging that drum but no one apart from a few idiots on here (and you the leader of the fools) think it's the fans fault for administration. Foolish for hoping your fellow supporters would rally round the club to avert a crisis not help create it and then start bucket collections and meaningless pledges after putting the club at the mercy of creditors solely interested in debt recovery. Then having seen the back of their nemesis said deserters fail to support the club in the same number as they did to watch a meaningless cup tie with Ronaldo and Rooney. Drum worth banging if you want my opinion which you probably don't because reality bites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 You keep banging that drum but no one apart from a few idiots on here (and you the leader of the fools) think it's the fans fault for administration. The fact you agree with StJ77 shows your intellect is limited. How many nails does it take to seal a coffin lid? Nineteen Troll evidently thinks just 1 - the final nail. All the nails hammered in by Lowe don't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Wotte Win ratio 22% Relegated No passion No fight Tactically naive Now overseen the financial implosion of two clubs Why are people even considering this man for the job?[/QUOTE] Why was Pearson considered so pivotal to our success? Win ratio 21% You have been told about Pearson on so many occasions that I do not think that ity is worth answering you. Is this why you are known as a troll?? Oh by the way. Any news about Justin??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 You keep banging that drum but no one apart from a few idiots on here (and you the leader of the fools) think it's the fans fault for administration. The fact you agree with StJ77 shows your intellect is limited. Only a fool would argue that reduced attendances in the season just gone didnt contribute to the club going into administration. 6,000 fewer fans per home game equates to around £3.4m over the course of the season - practically enough to pay off the overdraft - let alone stay within its limits. . The only point of debate is whether people were justified in finding other things to do with their Saturdays because they didnt like the football, results, Chairman, politics or whatever. That is a legitimate personal choice - but its ludicrous to claim some fans staying away had no consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Not sure I've ever heard such flawed logic... Leave the current incumbent to it - who wasn't well qualified for the job in the first place, was complicit in our failure, was actually at the helm when we went down (with as dispirited and disorganised a team as I have seen in 40+ years as a Saints fan) - because, erm, well he's in the job already and knows which players we have; oh and he'll be easier to get rid of when he fails. Erm, OK... So, by the same token should we call back Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde too since they "know how to run the club"?! Please, get real - there is ample time for an experienced manager to suss out who we need to keep / who we don't and identify transfer targets. In fact, I'd be amazed if we didn't already have someone lined up - and you can be sure Matty will be giving his view on our squad and potential targets. This should be one of the most exciting phases in the club's history - despite where we are, we get to "start over". In fact, scratch that, it WILL BE one of the most exciting phases... and you want to keep the guy in charge now (I won't go over his record again) because there isn't enough time to for someone new to come in? Please... you even have 19 Canteen agreeing with you - now that really should start alarm bells ringing!!! +1 - what a stupid idea lets keep Wotte because he is easier to get rid of when things go wrong, instead of getting a better manager more equipped to move this club forward. Its a self fullfilling prophecy because things will go wrong because Wottes in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Erm, because he kept us up... (and at least had organisation, authority and the fans behind him). Clear now? 3 wins and with two games to go he had taken us from safety of 18th to 22nd. Very very lucky all 3 of our squad keepers got injured at the same time so we could blow the budget on Wright whose contribution kept us up regardless of any influence from Mr 21%. If that freak event hadn't occured and we had to rely on Bialkowski we would have been promoted this season to the Championship and probably passed Leicster on their way down assuming Mandaric had still seen enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 +1 - what a stupid idea lets keep Wotte because he is easier to get rid of when things go wrong, instead of getting a better manager more equipped to move this club forward. Its a self fullfilling prophecy because things will go wrong because Wottes in charge. Sadly reflective of the limited ambition of those who have grown up in the "Lowe years"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Only a fool would argue that reduced attendances in the season just gone didnt contribute to the club going into administration. 6,000 fewer fans per home game equates to around £3.4m over the course of the season - practically enough to pay off the overdraft - let alone stay within its limits. . The only point of debate is whether people were justified in finding other things to do with their Saturdays because they didnt like the football, results, Chairman, politics or whatever. That is a legitimate personal choice - but its ludicrous to claim some fans staying away had no consequences. I agree. Do you blame the fire for burning the school down or the arsonist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Only a fool would argue that reduced attendances in the season just gone didnt contribute to the club going into administration. 6,000 fewer fans per home game equates to around £3.4m over the course of the season - practically enough to pay off the overdraft - let alone stay within its limits. . The only point of debate is whether people were justified in finding other things to do with their Saturdays because they didnt like the football, results, Chairman, politics or whatever. That is a legitimate personal choice - but its ludicrous to claim some fans staying away had no consequences. And with boycotters numbering in the 10's or 100's (as we are continually being told on here), then the vast majority were simply turned away by what was on offer. And that sadly is the cold hard facts we have to accept, and as much as we would like to get 32,000 in any division against any opposition, to get above the hard core support base you have to provide them with a reason to come (success on the pitch, entertainment, empathy with the Board/Club etc etc etc). Now of course our resident Charlton, Leeds, Villa, Basingstoke, Andover, Aldershot etc etc etc fan may not like it, but that's the harsh realities of modern day football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Sadly reflective of the limited ambition of those who have grown up in the "Lowe years"... If the Lowe years are all nineteen troll has ever known it may explain his position. I'm starting to feel sorry for him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Why was Pearson considered so pivotal to our success? Win ratio 21% but immediately prior to him taking over we had won one league game in the previous 8 games, that's a win ratio of 12.5%. The guy had to turn a sinking ship round, and managed it. He was no genious, but it was obvious that he had the players support and the personality to drive us forward. With Pearson at the helm I believe we would have survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 funnily enough I have no argument with your first point, but I'm not sure why you think Pearson would have done a worse job than Jan and then Wotte - how could he have done? I'd of thought getting Leicester promoted proved he has ability, something many of us recognised pretty quickly. Also I prefer to think that ALL the fans were victims or the poor financial decisions made by Lowes boardroom replacements, and then by Lowe's Dutch experiment. Pearson's tenure at the club yielded a win ratio of 21% and didn't have to worry about motivating players post administration when most were probably ringing round their agents. He has done well at Leicester but we only know that with the benefit of hindsight and achieving in the lower leagues is as we know a different ball game than achieving in the Championship which is notoriously difficult even for the moneyed clubs. Lets not forget Pearson would have had very good facilities at his disposal and probably by far the best squad and compare that with Ferguson at Peterborough and who would you assess as the better manager. Time will tell but based on his record there is no way you could have employed Pearson with any confidence last season at the time the decision was made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 (edited) I agree. Do you blame the fire for burning the school down or the arsonist. I'm not blaming anyone. I went to fewer games this season for the principled reason that I couldnt be arsed so often to drive 140 miles to watch us lose badly again. Possibly the consequences of going into adminstration could even be beneficial if it has flushed out a stonking new owner (though they'd have to be good to mitigate relegation and -10 points). My point was that the fire was burning down the building and not enough people felt moved to help put it out. Edited 3 June, 2009 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 I agree. Do you blame the fire for burning the school down or the arsonist. No I blame the fireman for not being bothered to come and put it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 3 wins and with two games to go he had taken us from safety of 18th to 22nd. Very very lucky all 3 of our squad keepers got injured at the same time so we could blow the budget on Wright whose contribution kept us up regardless of any influence from Mr 21%. If that freak event hadn't occured and we had to rely on Bialkowski we would have been promoted this season to the Championship and probably passed Leicster on their way down assuming Mandaric had still seen enough. If Surman had scored in an open goal, if McG hadn't missed those penalties, if the linesman and given the goal which was onside but he thought it was offside. You are talking absolute s***. Pearson kept us up and motivated the team, in my eyes he is 10 times the manager of Wotte.......... Oh and look he has only gone and got Leicester promoted at the first time asking, looking forward to seeing Wotte do the same when he is given the boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 My point was that the fire was burning down the building and not enough people felt moved enough to help put it out. And I don't think you can blame people for leaving the burning building, nor have a pop at those who found it difficult to return the building that was well alight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 I'm not blaming anyone. I went to fewer games this season for the principled reason that I couldnt be arsed so often to drive 140 miles to watch us lose badly again. Possibly the consequences of going into adminstration could even be beneficial if it has flushed out a stonking new owner (though they'd have to be good to mitigate relegation and -10 points). My point was that the fire was burning down the building and not enough people felt moved enough to help put it out. Sorry didn't see this comment before I posted. Should have done as it was kind of obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 but immediately prior to him taking over we had won one league game in the previous 8 games, that's a win ratio of 12.5%. The guy had to turn a sinking ship round, and managed it. He was no genious, but it was obvious that he had the players support and the personality to drive us forward. With Pearson at the helm I believe we would have survived. Disagree and to be honest my opinions as to why I think that have been laboured to the point I now bore myself with the logic so apologies for not entering that debate again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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