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You are assuming the Pinnacle lot are competent. We have had nothing to support or (thankfully!) deny that assertion. I would like to think they have plans, but I am not assuming they do. Selling our best players is not the direction I want the club to go in.

 

 

 

You would be absolutely destroying Lowe if he were selling our best players without a manager in place. Double standards in the extreme.

 

Bolllocks.

 

1. I expect the new owners and manager to do they own buying

 

2. I dont rate the players on their way out.

 

Again, what is this super alternative we are ignoring in favour of Pinnacle ? Idiots like you were prepared to accept Lowe's asset-stripping to keep the club going, yet you have an issue with new owners doing the same.

 

And you lecture about double standards...:rolleyes:

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Pinnacle were not the only bidders but assuming they were the only acceptable bid we had no choice in the matter as a result of idiots like you championing the cause for Administration. Forgive me if in the cold light of day I don't now choose to follow your failed logic and those who supported your view.

 

In summary your stance was/is:

 

Administration is the only way forward so we can celebrate having no choice in the matter?

 

Administration and new owners whose plans are still unknown

 

Vs.

 

Lowes continuing asset-stripping and a continunig withering death for the club

 

Oooo. Tricky one...

 

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Pinnacle were not the only bidders but assuming they were the only acceptable bid we had no choice in the matter as a result of idiots like you championing the cause for Administration. Forgive me if in the cold light of day I don't now choose to follow your failed logic and those who supported your view.

 

In summary your stance was/is:

 

Administration is the only way forward so we can celebrate having no choice in the matter?

 

You come across as being very naive Nineteen Troll. Without administration we would be facing life in L1 (albeit without a points deduction) under Lowe and Wilde. Administration would be on the horizon and Lowe and Wilde would scrambling to sell off assets to preserve their shareholding. In the end they would fail and we'd go into admin, but we'd most likely be doomed to enter L2 or worse.

 

Going into admin last season was the best of a bad job.

 

There is now light at the end of the tunnel for 99% of Saints fans. It's sad that you are not on the journey with us.

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You are assuming the Pinnacle lot are competent. We have had nothing to support or (thankfully!) deny that assertion. I would like to think they have plans, but I am not assuming they do. Selling our best players is not the direction I want the club to go in.

You would be absolutely destroying Lowe if he were selling our best players without a manager in place. Double standards in the extreme.

 

The only thing that points to the competance of the new owner is that he is a far wealthier man than the charlatans who ran this club previously. Unless he came upon his wealth through chance or inheritance, at least there is a suggestion that he knows how to make a business flourish.

 

The sale of our so-called best players is rather dependent on several factors. A lot of the success of a player comes down to whether they have the right mental attitude and if they thought that they were too good for this division, or wanted to be elsewhere, then that is not condusive to them giving of their best. Best case scenario is that if we appoint a new manager, he sits down for a heart to heart with the players and has a frank disussion with them as to whether they would be prepared to put their all into a fight to gain promotion. If they are not prepared to do that, then they should go, provided that we get a decent sum for them.

 

It could certainly be argued that some of our players might not be suited to playing in the third division and that they can readily be replaced by others who have attributes better suited.

 

I hope that the new owner turns out to have a different mindset than Lowe; that if we have a player on our books who is valued at £2 million, that we keep him, rather than selling him and replacing him with 3 mediocre players.

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The only thing that points to the competance of the new owner is that he is a far wealthier man than the charlatans who ran this club previously. Unless he came upon his wealth through chance or inheritance, at least there is a suggestion that he knows how to make a business flourish.

 

Oh? You know who our new owner is then? And how much he is worth? And how he made his money? Most fans know none of these things, so I don't see how you can suggest otherwise?

 

Given it is unlikely he is a fan I would expect the new guy to run Saints like a business, not a plaything. So - it doesn't matter how wealthy he is - he isn't going to be throwing money at the club.

 

I hope that the new owner turns out to have a different mindset than Lowe; that if we have a player on our books who is valued at £2 million, that we keep him, rather than selling him and replacing him with 3 mediocre players.

 

Retianing Surman and our strikers would be a good start.

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Oh? You know who our new owner is then? And how much he is worth? And how he made his money? Most fans know none of these things, so I don't see how you can suggest otherwise?

 

Given it is unlikely he is a fan I would expect the new guy to run Saints like a business, not a plaything. So - it doesn't matter how wealthy he is - he isn't going to be throwing money at the club.

 

Retianing Surman and our strikers would be a good start.

 

We only have the information supplied by MLT that our prospective new owner is a seriously wealthy individual. That is good enough for me until we know who it is. As I qualified my point, unless he either inherited his wealth or gained it by luck or chance, then it is not unreasonable to conclude that he is an astute businessman.

 

I don't care if he doesn't "throw" money at the club, but there comes a point where it is necessary to speculate to accumulate and that will be a test, as Lowe was never capable of thinking along those lines, suffering the usual blinkered view of most people from a financial background.

 

Which strikers should we be retaining? John? Rasiak? Saganowski? McGoldrick? The first three are all Premiership quality arguably, so it is not unreasonable that they do not wish to play in the third division. McGoldrick wants to move to Nottingham for family reasons and they are also a division above us now. When I made the point about our seeming inability to reason that it was better to retain players of a certain market value rather than replace them with three other mediocrities, I meant that they should be in the same division. There are not many, if indeed any Premiership players willing to step down two divisions regardless of whether they would be paid Premiership wages.

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We only have the information supplied by MLT that our prospective new owner is a seriously wealthy individual. That is good enough for me until we know who it is.

 

I'll believe it when I see it. There are plenty of people with money in the world, and the self-made ones won't be the type to throw money away willy-nilly, which is pretty much what investing in a football club is. Any sort of discounted cash flow analysis is a non starter given our expenses will exceed our income anyway, and even if we do turn profitable at the operating level then the required rate of return on a high risk investment like this would definitely leave the project with a NPV

 

I really doubt a fan would have let us be relegated and start next season on -10 points or worse. I really doubt someone sees us as a credible money making venture given the right capital outlay.

 

My guess is that the new owner sees his investent in Saints as a low cost "option", i.e. the chance of making some money if we get promoted and he can sell us on. I think the chance of him putting worthwhile capital into the club is tiny - our revenues are going to be miniscule next year and we're going to be struggling to break even in League 1 even without many of our highest paid players.

 

I also think the owner knows most fans will be dissappointed when they find out his identity and that is why he is still in hiding.

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Taking another perspective. If you were to buy say Newcastle ay £100 Million with all the challenges that entails then I would say you are less likley to make a profit than if you bought SFC for say £15 Million and built it from a low base. If we did get in to the Premiership in 5 years that would be a good investment in my view.

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I'll believe it when I see it. There are plenty of people with money in the world, and the self-made ones won't be the type to throw money away willy-nilly, which is pretty much what investing in a football club is. Any sort of discounted cash flow analysis is a non starter given our expenses will exceed our income anyway, and even if we do turn profitable at the operating level then the required rate of return on a high risk investment like this would definitely leave the project with a NPV

 

I really doubt a fan would have let us be relegated and start next season on -10 points or worse. I really doubt someone sees us as a credible money making venture given the right capital outlay.

 

My guess is that the new owner sees his investent in Saints as a low cost "option", i.e. the chance of making some money if we get promoted and he can sell us on. I think the chance of him putting worthwhile capital into the club is tiny - our revenues are going to be miniscule next year and we're going to be struggling to break even in League 1 even without many of our highest paid players.

 

I also think the owner knows most fans will be dissappointed when they find out his identity and that is why he is still in hiding.

 

 

Cripes.........you need to visit the Itchen bridge mate......you've even got me crying!!!

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I'll believe it when I see it. There are plenty of people with money in the world, and the self-made ones won't be the type to throw money away willy-nilly, which is pretty much what investing in a football club is. Any sort of discounted cash flow analysis is a non starter given our expenses will exceed our income anyway, and even if we do turn profitable at the operating level then the required rate of return on a high risk investment like this would definitely leave the project with a NPV

 

I really doubt a fan would have let us be relegated and start next season on -10 points or worse. I really doubt someone sees us as a credible money making venture given the right capital outlay.

 

My guess is that the new owner sees his investent in Saints as a low cost "option", i.e. the chance of making some money if we get promoted and he can sell us on. I think the chance of him putting worthwhile capital into the club is tiny - our revenues are going to be miniscule next year and we're going to be struggling to break even in League 1 even without many of our highest paid players.

 

I also think the owner knows most fans will be dissappointed when they find out his identity and that is why he is still in hiding.

 

The new owner isn't going to make anything unless we achieve promotion, which will require him to put some money into a decent manager and some players. Beyond that, yes, he could be speculating that he might profit from selling us on after a while, but then again, the price that he gets depends on where we are.

 

Unless the new owner is one of the charlatans that has been associated with us before, I don't think that the fans will be too disappointed. Most will be relieved that his intervention intitially stopped us from going into liquidation.

 

Let's wait and see who it is before making any judgements.

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As I qualified my point, unless he either inherited his wealth or gained it by luck or chance, then it is not unreasonable to conclude that he is an astute businessman.

 

Yeah, true enough - but being good at running a 'proper' business doesn't automatically mean that given control of a football club the individual doesn't lose all sense and grip on reality - Mike Ashley and Peter Risdale being good cases in point

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Yeah, true enough - but being good at running a 'proper' business doesn't automatically mean that given control of a football club the individual doesn't lose all sense and grip on reality - Mike Ashley and Peter Risdale being good cases in point

 

Agreed. The essence of this type of business is that it is essentially part of the entertainment industry. So somebody running this type of business either needs to have an understanding of the practicalities of that, or needs to employ others who have that experience.

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I also think the owner knows most fans will be dissappointed when they find out his identity and that is why he is still in hiding.

 

I thought Osama was an Arsenal fan? So you know who its is then.

How do you know he is in hiding? I thought he just didn't want his name announced for a while.

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I'll believe it when I see it. There are plenty of people with money in the world, and the self-made ones won't be the type to throw money away willy-nilly, which is pretty much what investing in a football club is.

 

Roman Abramovich

Milan Mandaric

Gaydamark

Jack Walker

Steve Gibson

Mike Ashley

Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan

 

All have thrown money at football!

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I'll believe it when I see it. There are plenty of people with money in the world, and the self-made ones won't be the type to throw money away willy-nilly, which is pretty much what investing in a football club is. Any sort of discounted cash flow analysis is a non starter given our expenses will exceed our income anyway, and even if we do turn profitable at the operating level then the required rate of return on a high risk investment like this would definitely leave the project with a NPV

 

I really doubt a fan would have let us be relegated and start next season on -10 points or worse. I really doubt someone sees us as a credible money making venture given the right capital outlay.

 

My guess is that the new owner sees his investent in Saints as a low cost "option", i.e. the chance of making some money if we get promoted and he can sell us on. I think the chance of him putting worthwhile capital into the club is tiny - our revenues are going to be miniscule next year and we're going to be struggling to break even in League 1 even without many of our highest paid players.

 

I also think the owner knows most fans will be dissappointed when they find out his identity and that is why he is still in hiding.

 

 

OMG!!! You really are so very negative!

 

I have never understood people like you who are so pesemistic before you know the facts....whats the point?

 

Are you one of those "I told you so" people who love the attention?

 

You are definitely not alone on this forum but I think this is probably one of the most negative posts I have read.

 

I dread what it must have been like being/knowing you through all the much darker days of the last three months or so or even longer.

 

OR have you been having the time of your life telling everyone "I told you we'd get relegated from Premiership...I told you Lowe would come back....I told you we'd get relegated from CCC.....I told you we'd go into Administration"

 

PATHETIC mate....its people like you that set barriers in life that never achieve greatness....tell enough people something enough times and they believe it.....

 

BET you any money Ronaldo, Kaka, Tiger, Nadal...etc etc. never think like that.

 

:rolleyes:

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As I have posted on another thread I am not concerned about Dyer and understand the position of Raziak and Saganowski but this makes no sense if you have a lot of money and want to get out of Div 1 - why sell two players who allegedly want to stay? Very worrying.

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As I have posted on another thread I am not concerned about Dyer and understand the position of Raziak and Saganowski but this makes no sense if you have a lot of money and want to get out of Div 1 - why sell two players who allegedly want to stay? Very worrying.

 

You may have your answer there!!!!!!

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Like we had a choice under the Visionary that was Sir Rupert Of ****-Up ?

 

You really give my arse a ****in headache troll.

 

And no doubt a sore throat.

 

Going concerns will always have a bargaining position as oppose to the murky waters of administration. We contributed to our own downfall and helped remove the choice I agree with you on that point and big money doesn't guarantee great appointments. See QPR.

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Going concerns will always have a bargaining position as oppose to the murky waters of administration.

 

When you were supporting Charlton did you experience their time under the cosh when they went into recevership etc?

 

What did you do then for your kicks??? Write in to the South East London Gazette with your noddy comments???

 

And what about your time supporting Leeds?? Was that recently during their financial troubles???

 

And Aldershot??? And Salisbury???

 

You're a bit of a bad luck charm as almost every team you have supported (bar Villa) seems to have hit bad times with regards finances LOL.

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When you were supporting Charlton did you experience their time under the cosh when they went into recevership etc?

 

What did you do then for your kicks??? Write in to the South East London Gazette with your noddy comments???

 

And what about your time supporting Leeds?? Was that recently during their financial troubles???

 

And Aldershot??? And Salisbury???

 

You're a bit of a bad luck charm as almost every team you have supported (bar Villa) seems to have hit bad times with regards finances LOL.

 

Seriously are you in love with Nineteen Canteen? Not only do you have a cutesy name for him, you feel the need to respond to every post he makes. It's some kind of ****'d up fetish.

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When you were supporting Charlton did you experience their time under the cosh when they went into recevership etc?

 

What did you do then for your kicks??? Write in to the South East London Gazette with your noddy comments???

 

And what about your time supporting Leeds?? Was that recently during their financial troubles???

 

And Aldershot??? And Salisbury???

 

...quick

let's help ol' Nineteen C*nteen

find a new club to support

any ideas...

 

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....because I am. This is why. According to the Echo, deals for the sale of two of our most valuable assets, Surman and McGoldrick, could be decided today.

 

Now, the only way that this could happen, IMHO, is for the Pinnacle consortium to agree to the sale, as they hold an exclusive position with regard to the purchase of assets from SLH, ie, no other party can agree to buy these players without their agreement.

 

So....I would have hoped that before this happens, a discussion, however brief, would be held with our existing manager or our new manager on whether he wants to keep the two best young players in our squad.

 

I really want the shy multi-multi-millionaire to complete the deal, but I would have rather that these player sales were agreed after the new management structure was in place and the players were back at training.

 

Still, that's just me, nervous post-Wilde and pre-asset stripper. I look forward to the well-informed posters to explain the timing of these transfers....

 

 

well you can call it what you like.....but they are the most-saleable assets we have and hardly likely to improve their careers with a couple of seasons in League 1. Any new manager will obviously be looking for some experienced proffs in the over 30 age-range, who can give as good as they get and " kick " us out of League 1.

Both Surman and McG have unrealised potential but it won't show until they are playing in a better side / at a better level. If they want to go - good luck and let's look to the future.

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Any new manager will obviously be looking for some experienced proffs in the over 30 age-range, who can give as good as they get and " kick " us out of League 1.

 

I'm not sure that's right about "kicking" our way out of League 1.

 

I went to see a bottom of League 2 clash at Aldershot last year - both teams played quite good football - plenty of passing it along the deck and movement - it was a lot better than the hoof and hope nonsense that Wotte dished up towards the end of last season.

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...quick

let's help ol' Nineteen C*nteen

find a new club to support

any ideas...

 

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Do you recommend it? I was wondering where 5,000 of you went last season when I was at SMS with the other 15,000 loyal diehards. Are you coming back or still consider it Premier League Football or nothing?

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Do you recommend it? I was wondering where 5,000 of you went last season when I was at SMS with the other 15,000 loyal diehards. Are you coming back or still consider it Premier League Football or nothing?

 

Although of course there is an element of plastics who have deserted us because of our lowly status, I feel confident that most of those will have done so the season after our relegation from the top flight. I suspect that we are now down to a hardcore of support, which will not decline much further.

 

However, as there was an element that undoubtedly stayed away because of Lowe and Wilde especially, but also because of the lack of value for money where Premiership prices were charged to watch the kids managed by incompetent lower league Dutch managers, there is actually potential for some increase in attendances this next season. This is especially true if we get an owner who treats us all with respect, charges a reasonable amount for tickets, appoints a decent manager, who in turn brings in some half-decent players capable of gaining us wins.

 

Probably what is pertinent to wonder, is whether Lowe, Askham, Wilde and those other charlatans who profess to be fans of the club, will bother to continue attending when they have no shares, no power or influence and have to pay from their own pockets. Will they be bothering with a box called "Ex Directory" when they probably have no hope of ever getting their feet under the boardroom table again, thank God?

 

What do you reckon, Nineteen?

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  • 4 weeks later...

Dear Mr. Lynam and Mr. Fialka,

 

With my new found trust and confidence in your plans for the club, I am assuming that, despite Pinnacle having money, via Mr. Fialka and his group, for the wages this month, the sale of one, if not two of our players was discussed with Matt and Mr. Wotte and this is just the start of your 5 year plan.

 

Please post an update if possible, as I am beginning to get nervous again....and I might not be the only one....

 

Also, I assume that Mr. Crouch is no longer needed for paying the wages. You haven't fallen out with him, have you?

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Dear Mr. Lynam and Mr. Fialka,

 

With my new found trust and confidence in your plans for the club, I am assuming that, despite Pinnacle having money, via Mr. Fialka and his group, for the wages this month, the sale of one, if not two of our players was discussed with Matt and Mr. Wotte and this is just the start of your 5 year plan.

 

Please post an update if possible, as I am beginning to get nervous again....and I might not be the only one....

 

Also, I assume that Mr. Crouch is no longer needed for paying the wages. You haven't fallen out with him, have you?

 

Why would the administrator discuss anything regarding the sale of players with Pinnacle - or any other interested parties???

 

He is after all, only trying to secure funds for the club, and in the absence of any 'exclusivity agreement' is acting on his own isn't he?

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Mighty Mac having signed a big contract for very good money also had a clause if relegated he is offski for no less than a mil....This could also apply to other players...

Agents who would have them.

 

My opinion is as good as most but not that good to be honest...Luv sum posters but boy are they trying......

 

Time to press the bell and get them to come and empty your pants. The mighty Mac who was going to Notts County to guarantee first team football?

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Dear Mr. Lynam and Mr. Fialka,

 

With my new found trust and confidence in your plans for the club, I am assuming that, despite Pinnacle having money, via Mr. Fialka and his group, for the wages this month, the sale of one, if not two of our players was discussed with Matt and Mr. Wotte and this is just the start of your 5 year plan.

 

Please post an update if possible, as I am beginning to get nervous again....and I might not be the only one....

 

Also, I assume that Mr. Crouch is no longer needed for paying the wages. You haven't fallen out with him, have you?

 

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Why would the administrator discuss anything regarding the sale of players with Pinnacle - or any other interested parties???

 

He is after all, only trying to secure funds for the club, and in the absence of any 'exclusivity agreement' is acting on his own isn't he?

 

Beacuse he would have been a club asset and therefore part of any agreed deal - teh sale of McGoldrick could impact on the nature of any contract already drawn up between teh administrator and any of the interested parties... This is therefore a worrying development - as is the fact that if nothing is signed today/tomorrow, more assets in some case our most valuable will be off on frees - or if teh wages are not paid teh whole bloody squad!!!

 

Pinnacle going for exclusivity and then not completing ahs put pressure on the other bidders to complete in a very short time if they are to avoid buying a stadium and being left with no squad.

 

Also if the back has several hundred million and is cloise to completing teh deal, WTF cant they stump up cash for Junes wages ? Seems to me they are a lot further from completing than I or others had thought/hoped.

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Time to press the bell and get them to come and empty your pants. The mighty Mac who was going to Notts County to guarantee first team football?

 

Nurse

 

 

Notts Forest surely..My liitle princess...Give me another bed bath while you are there my luvverly.....:smt060

 

Your point by the way:confused:

 

Mighty Mac off to Forest surely in his contract after relegation...

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Why would the administrator discuss anything regarding the sale of players with Pinnacle - or any other interested parties???

He'd discuss things like that with anyone who had reached advanced talks because the sale of a player may have an effect on the perceived value of the assets they are trying to buy.

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Beacuse he would have been a club asset and therefore part of any agreed deal

 

The OS states that the club have been in discussion regarding the sale of DMG for more than 6 weeks. Therefore any 'deal' would have to have been based on the fact that the player wanted out any way.

 

Nice to see the scare mongering and reading between the lines has reached fever pitch though ;)

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Like buying a car, then at the last minute they say 'oh by the way, i have aalready sold the stereo'

 

Is that humble pie rumbling in your gut GM? It should be.....

 

Or buying a car and being told 'by the way we have every intention of selling the stereo and as such have priced the car accordingly'....

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The OS states that the club have been in discussion regarding the sale of DMG for more than 6 weeks. Therefore any 'deal' would have to have been based on the fact that the player wanted out any way.

 

Nice to see the scare mongering and reading between the lines has reached fever pitch though ;)

 

NOthing to do with scaremongering - teh fact we have just sold David means that what the new owners will get for tehir money will be worth 1.undisclosed million less. NOw if you were buying what would you make of that?

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NOthing to do with scaremongering - teh fact we have just sold David means that what the new owners will get for tehir money will be worth 1.undisclosed million less. NOw if you were buying what would you make of that?

 

No, it's scaremongering!!!

 

They have paid fair price after around six weeks of negotiations and we will all be keeping a close eye on his future progress.

 

"David was also keen to sign for Nottingham as he has family connections in the city and was desperate to play in the Championship.

 

Six weeks of negotiations would take us to before any offer for the club was agreed, and therefore the offer price would have reflected the fact that the player had no intention of staying with the club!! [if it didn't they only have themselves to blame!!].

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teh fact we have just sold David means that what the new owners will get for tehir money will be worth 1.undisclosed million less.

 

How so? Assuming the money doesn't disappear into a black hole, you're just getting a club with a million quid less debt?

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Mighty Mac having signed a big contract for very good money also had a clause if relegated he is offski for no less than a mil....This could also apply to other players...

Agents who would have them.

 

My opinion is as good as most but not that good to be honest...Luv sum posters but boy are they trying......

 

 

 

posted 3.6.09

 

 

 

Up and away my dear personal nurse.:smt060....Is this what you are banging on about.:grin:.....But it was always going to be Notts Forest re money..

 

WE STILL owe Notts County sum dosh 200/250 grand...so we will get sum to pay wages...As I guessed..sumfink in his contract if relegated and fee....;)

 

U still close to GM, jonah and that cuddly bear Rupes.:axe:..Keep up the good work with your pom poms.:rolleyes:

 

Get jonah to send the crayons...runnin out.

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No, it's scaremongering!!!

 

 

 

Six weeks of negotiations would take us to before any offer for the club was agreed, and therefore the offer price would have reflected the fact that the player had no intention of staying with the club!! [if it didn't they only have themselves to blame!!].

 

Sorry diagree, as this asset would have had to have been either included or excluded and certainly now the situtaion is that hw will be excluded... the key is what is in the contracts re player sales during the negotiation period + impact on the bidders perceived value they are getting.

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