phew that was close!

[NickG]

quite happy to move on. This thread was not going over old ground, it was following him speaking in the press and disclosing details about his consortium and their actions which (knowing his past) justifiably would concern anyone should his group come close to being in pinnacles position.

[Saint Fan CaM]

“To an extent we were used as a negotiating tool.”

 

Mmm, TOOL being the operative word here I think...

[St Chalet]

"Consequently that money isn’t liquid. But one of the guys had awful lot of liquid cash"....

 

Glad that is clear Marc, thanks.

[NickG]

I am grateful for that tv interview tho!

[Weston Saint]

I was not going to post any more until the "pinnacle" bid was signed sealed and delivered as I am happy with what they have to offer so far BUT this vendetta against Marc Jackson is totally unfair.

 

I and a few others know more than we are prepared to say. We know what went on, we know the money men and we know the reasons it has not happened so far for the "Jackson" Group. A lot of the issues are why some on the "Pinnacle" investors dropped out.

 

Many who know what it is all about are very supportive of Pinnacle. But we also know many of the issues.

 

I will take a back seat again and "Pinnacle" have our best wishes and support.

 

All we want is Saints to support in Div 1 next season.

 

Unless you know all the facts, shut up and just support the future of SFC

[Verbal]

I was not going to post any more until the "pinnacle" bid was signed sealed and delivered as I am happy with what they have to offer so far BUT this vendetta against Marc Jackson is totally unfair.

 

I and a few others know more than we are prepared to say. We know what went on, we know the money men and we know the reasons it has not happened so far for the "Jackson" Group. A lot of the issues are why some on the "Pinnacle" investors dropped out.

 

Many who know what it is all about are very supportive of Pinnacle. But we also know many of the issues.

 

I will take a back seat again and "Pinnacle" have our best wishes and support.

 

All we want is Saints to support in Div 1 next season.

 

Unless you know all the facts, shut up and just support the future of SFC

 

I suppose this shouldn't bother me, but it does.

 

You're saying that you and a few others know what 'really' happened; that those being critical of MJ can't possibly have known what happened; we should all shut up, including yourself (but not on this occasion); and you're not going to tell the many critics of MJ why they're wrong.

 

It makes me nervous. I remember all too well the tickings off initially issued by you and others to posters who criticised tommac. And look how that ended up. I also recall a certain trio on here who were told in advance by Wilde last year that he was going to get into bed with Lowe - but who thought it better to keep that to themselves.

 

A little (often partial) knowledge really is a dangerous thing.

 

Personally I prefer the leaks and misdirection of ITKs to the tut-tutting of ITKBINGTTYs.

[Micky]

I was not going to post any more until the "pinnacle" bid was signed sealed and delivered as I am happy with what they have to offer so far BUT this vendetta against Marc Jackson is totally unfair.

 

I and a few others know more than we are prepared to say. We know what went on, we know the money men and we know the reasons it has not happened so far for the "Jackson" Group. A lot of the issues are why some on the "Pinnacle" investors dropped out.

 

Many who know what it is all about are very supportive of Pinnacle. But we also know many of the issues.

 

I will take a back seat again and "Pinnacle" have our best wishes and support.

 

All we want is Saints to support in Div 1 next season.

 

Unless you know all the facts, shut up and just support the future of SFC

 

Sorry but rather an idiotic post. I know this, I know that, I know lots more than you - well good for you.

 

People are commenting on what they do know. Everybody holds an opinion based on their knowledge of the situation - thats life.

 

So, just what are you suggesting here - we close the board until you are ready to make us all aware of just what you know and then we can all start posting again - thanks for that, let me know when its open for 'business as usual' please.

 

And just so that you are aware - there is no 'vendetta' against Marc Jackson - it just so happens that he is topic of the day in relation to our club. This is a club forum - hence people will discuss - once you have given them permission obviously.

Edited 3 June, 2009 by Micky

[Wade Garrett]

I was not going to post any more until the "pinnacle" bid was signed sealed and delivered as I am happy with what they have to offer so far BUT this vendetta against Marc Jackson is totally unfair.

 

I and a few others know more than we are prepared to say. We know what went on, we know the money men and we know the reasons it has not happened so far for the "Jackson" Group. A lot of the issues are why some on the "Pinnacle" investors dropped out.

 

Many who know what it is all about are very supportive of Pinnacle. But we also know many of the issues.

 

I will take a back seat again and "Pinnacle" have our best wishes and support.

 

All we want is Saints to support in Div 1 next season.

 

Unless you know all the facts, shut up and just support the future of SFC

 

 

I would imagine what you know is what Jackson told you.

 

For all of the ITKs, how many knew in advance that Pinnacle were going to go with the deal last Friday?

 

I rest my case. Lots of misinformation and bull over the last few weeks. A number of people have been played.

[ghq]

Please excuse me if this has already been posted, but I couldn't wade through 3 pages of this. May I ask the question burning in my mind? If I want partners to form a consortium to buy a football club, why then would I include a person of dubious talents and background, that has made a rather large spectacle of himself during a failed bid for another, much smaller, football club in the not too distant past?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I was not going to post any more until the "pinnacle" bid was signed sealed and delivered as I am happy with what they have to offer so far BUT this vendetta against Marc Jackson is totally unfair.

 

I and a few others know more than we are prepared to say. We know what went on, we know the money men and we know the reasons it has not happened so far for the "Jackson" Group. A lot of the issues are why some on the "Pinnacle" investors dropped out.

 

Many who know what it is all about are very supportive of Pinnacle. But we also know many of the issues.

 

I will take a back seat again and "Pinnacle" have our best wishes and support.

 

All we want is Saints to support in Div 1 next season.

 

Unless you know all the facts, shut up and just support the future of SFC

 

Bit unfair Ron, telling people who aren't "in the loop" to shut up!

You may think the criticism of MJ unfair but he brings a lot of it on his own back either by his conduct in that ludicrous and excruciating news interview or by the piece in last night's Echo. I too was holding my counsel on the man until I found out more but when he is plastered all over my evening paper insinuating that Fry is a liar I feel moved to pass comment. I repeat I would not want that man anywhere near my football club and nothing would change my mind. Sorry.

[um pahars]

I was not going to post any more until the "pinnacle" bid was signed sealed and delivered

 

You really would have done better to heed your own advice there.

 

Nothing more to add, as the posts above say it all.

[alpine_saint]

I was not going to post any more until the "pinnacle" bid was signed sealed and delivered as I am happy with what they have to offer so far BUT this vendetta against Marc Jackson is totally unfair.

 

I and a few others know more than we are prepared to say. We know what went on, we know the money men and we know the reasons it has not happened so far for the "Jackson" Group. A lot of the issues are why some on the "Pinnacle" investors dropped out.

 

Many who know what it is all about are very supportive of Pinnacle. But we also know many of the issues.

 

I will take a back seat again and "Pinnacle" have our best wishes and support.

 

All we want is Saints to support in Div 1 next season.

 

Unless you know all the facts, shut up and just support the future of SFC

 

I also think that Jackson has received an unjustifiable rough tide, but this was one of your less impressive posts, R..

 

I can only assume someone had got under your skin with their comments.

[thorpie the sinner]

I wonder if we will be saying, 'phew that was close..we nearly got taken over there'.......are we beggars that can't be choosers?

[NickG]

I was not going to post any more until the "pinnacle" bid was signed sealed and delivered as I am happy with what they have to offer so far BUT this vendetta against Marc Jackson is totally unfair.

 

I and a few others know more than we are prepared to say. We know what went on, we know the money men and we know the reasons it has not happened so far for the "Jackson" Group. A lot of the issues are why some on the "Pinnacle" investors dropped out.

 

Many who know what it is all about are very supportive of Pinnacle. But we also know many of the issues.

 

I will take a back seat again and "Pinnacle" have our best wishes and support.

 

All we want is Saints to support in Div 1 next season.

 

Unless you know all the facts, shut up and just support the future of SFC

 

this is the unfair post.

 

As said above, many times, if he puts himself in the media he should expect to be judged on what he says and does.

 

His take over of Bournemouth was a joke.

 

He gave this interview.

 

He started the comments listed above that makes us all doubt his credibility.

 

He even knows this forum so knows an article in the echo will be discussed here.

 

It is fair game, if you don't like how he is being seen perhaps your concerns should be aimed at him and his performance rather than posters on here?

[Doctoroncall]

I was not going to post any more until the "pinnacle" bid was signed sealed and delivered as I am happy with what they have to offer so far BUT this vendetta against Marc Jackson is totally unfair.

 

What vendetta? This isn't some feud between posters and MJ.

 

MJ hasn't exactly come across as a professional businessman in either takeover of Bornemouth AFC or Southampton FC from the two interviews posted.

 

Unless you know all the facts, shut up and just support the future of SFC

 

This forum would be a quiet place if everyone took your advice... or perhaps you can give us these "facts" in an unbiased way so we can see how good MJ is in this kind of business.

[Weston Super Saint]

I suppose this shouldn't bother me, but it does.

 

You're saying that you and a few others know what 'really' happened; that those being critical of MJ can't possibly have known what happened; we should all shut up, including yourself (but not on this occasion); and you're not going to tell the many critics of MJ why they're wrong.

 

It makes me nervous. I remember all too well the tickings off initially issued by you and others to posters who criticised tommac. And look how that ended up. I also recall a certain trio on here who were told in advance by Wilde last year that he was going to get into bed with Lowe - but who thought it better to keep that to themselves.

 

A little (often partial) knowledge really is a dangerous thing.

 

Personally I prefer the leaks and misdirection of ITKs to the tut-tutting of ITKBINGTTYs.

 

LOL.

 

I agree.

[ottery st mary]

If anyone has found any substance to Jackson or Green please let us know..idle curiosity

with me...I have had a very good look at abd have failed miserably....No more bullllshiiiite...The truth is now required....Mind you most of what I hear makes me LARF...Sorry Jacko..How many cancelled concerts...Misunderstanding everytime Guv.

[LostBoys]

No vendetta - track record of failure only - never had the money -was never going to be able to raise the money - about as close to buying the club as the posters on this thread - just wanted his 5 minutes of Echo publicity - everyone else's fault - just ask Gerald Krasner - obvious tyre kicker

[lancelot link]

Well I'm going to be controversial here, given that I know someone who works for Pinnacles Lynam. I believe I too know why the wheels fell off the wagon for MJ, but I know (for a fact) that a wagon existed. I also believe from a conversation I had at work this morning that Lynam is quite embarrassed for the rough ride that MJ is getting. I don't know whether he knows him, but I actually think that he's of the view that at least he got off his ass and tried to do something, and possibly nearly did. Past failures perhaps, but what's the point in giving this guy stick for having a go. And here's the controversial bit, if MJs "bid" did indeed force Pinnacles price up, then surely Lynam would be p****d off with him rather than embarrassed for him........ ????

[NickG]

if you court media - expect to be judged by how you look on it.

[Wade Garrett]

I have been a critic of Marc Jackson. But I really think it's time to put this one to bed now.

[NickG]

I have been a critic of Marc Jackson. But I really think it's time to put this one to bed now.

 

you just bumped it!

[Frank's cousin]

Ron, I respect your opinion and your loyalty on this to MJ does you justice - Its good to know that such qualities still exist. But my concern is that you do need to let the masses speak their mind and form their own opinion. Naturally this can only be based on what we know and past experience. Ron, I guess what you are basing your opinion on is what Marc has told you directly. I am sure you are also wise enough to sift the facts from teh bull, but he hooked us in last time and I have not seen or heard anything that suggests he has changed - its very possible that he took it some way and made contact with various potential backers, but in reality could you see MJ really leading a successful bid for Saints?

[Frank's cousin]

I also recall a certain trio on here who were told in advance by Wilde last year that he was going to get into bed with Lowe - but who thought it better to keep that to themselves.

 

.

 

Not elevent and a totally different scenario - that was a question of ethics - Ron may have promised not to reveal any detail and promises should be hoored - I also cant believe MJ would have gotten very far realistically, and that Ron is probably wrong i this case, but If you knew Ron, you would not questiopn his integrity.

[lancelot link]

Ron' date=' I respect your opinion and your loyalty on this to MJ does you justice - Its good to know that such qualities still exist. But my concern is that you do need to let the masses speak their mind and form their own opinion. Naturally this can only be based on what we know and past experience. Ron, I guess what you are basing your opinion on is what Marc has told you directly. I am sure you are also wise enough to sift the facts from teh bull, but he hooked us in last time and I have not seen or heard anything that suggests he has changed - its very possible that he took it some way and made contact with various potential backers, but in reality could you see MJ really leading a successful bid for Saints?[/quote']

 

See thats an interesting question, because most people didn't think that Pinnacle could lead a successful bid and they have

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Ron' date=' I respect your opinion and your loyalty on this to MJ does you justice - Its good to know that such qualities still exist. But my concern is that you do need to let the masses speak their mind and form their own opinion. Naturally this can only be based on what we know and past experience. Ron, I guess what you are basing your opinion on is what Marc has told you directly. I am sure you are also wise enough to sift the facts from teh bull, but he hooked us in last time and I have not seen or heard anything that suggests he has changed - its very possible that he took it some way and made contact with various potential backers, but in reality could you see MJ really leading a successful bid for Saints?[/quote']

 

I would willingly vouch for Ron's integrity but I feel it was an error telling people to shut up because they did not possess the knowledge he did.

 

MJ is a media dabbler, a Walter Mitty and most times a harmless chancer. This time the stakes were high - the future of SFC and although he may have been well-intentioned enough his very presence in the debate was of massive concern to myself and many others.

 

Incidentally, if he loves Saints so much what was he doing involving himself with the Bournemouth fiasco and saying "we" when referring to Cherries fans in the interview.

[Mole]

See thats an interesting question, because most people didn't think that Pinnacle could lead a successful bid and they have

 

I thought Pinnacle had a chance, i knew Jacko didn't.

[Wade Garrett]

you just bumped it!

 

Sorry, won't do it again.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Sorry, won't do it again.

 

Making mischief they call it Wade!

[NickG]

I have been a critic of Marc Jackson. But I really think it's time to put this one to bed now.

 

you just bumped it!

 

Sorry, won't do it again.

 

you should let this thread fade away!

[Wade Garrett]

you should let this thread fade away!

 

Making mischief they call it Wade!

 

I'm really sorry, honestly.

[NickG]

good. As long as no-one quotes post 8 on this thread I think it will die away, if they do people will watch that again!

[Wade Garrett]

http://asf.narrowstep.tv/mcp?psid=86165582&ref=0&chid=977&pid=3346&vid=69175095&br=400&tid=1&void=175029&fab=0

 

deja vu?

 

 

What do you mean?

[NickG]

it gets better with every watch!

[benjii]

I was not going to post any more until the "pinnacle" bid was signed sealed and delivered as I am happy with what they have to offer so far BUT this vendetta against Marc Jackson is totally unfair.

 

I and a few others know more than we are prepared to say. We know what went on, we know the money men and we know the reasons it has not happened so far for the "Jackson" Group. A lot of the issues are why some on the "Pinnacle" investors dropped out.

 

Many who know what it is all about are very supportive of Pinnacle. But we also know many of the issues.

 

I will take a back seat again and "Pinnacle" have our best wishes and support.

 

All we want is Saints to support in Div 1 next season.

 

Unless you know all the facts, shut up and just support the future of SFC

 

We all long for the day when Jackson shuts the **** up.

 

Frankly your post is an utter turd.

 

I know loads... blah.... blah.... blah - if I remember correctly you were about to slit your wrist and doom-mongering on here the day before the Pinnacle news was announced. I don't know who you are and I don't particularly care but telling people to shut up when quite justifiably criticising the antics of this person, who in terms of appearances on the public record has been nothing other than farcical, is quite unfair indeed. If you want to explain why it isn't then fine. People might believe you; they might not. If you don't want to, then give the piety a rest.

Edited 4 June, 2009 by benjii

[Weston Super Saint]

 

I know loads... blah.... blah.... blah - if I remember correctly you were about to slit your wrist and doom-mongering on here the day before the Pinnacle news was announced.

 

I believe, sir, that you are indeed correct!

 

Infact having had a little research - very unlike me - I note that it was all the people who are so ITK regarding the MJ bid now, who were saying we were doomed and the club was going to be wound up, the day before the big announcement!

 

Funny how they could have such thoughts a week or so ago, but are now so adamant that Coco the Clown was standing in the wings all along, ready to save our bacon

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Just watched that interview again (3 times in all) and it gets more excruciating with every view. How on earth can anyone take him seriously? I think this thread should now be closed it is too embarrassing.

[NickG]

it will fade when we have had enough of the video! -not for a while, give it more viewings it gets better each time!

[Verbal]

Not elevent and a totally different scenario - that was a question of ethics - Ron may have promised not to reveal any detail and promises should be hoored - I also cant believe MJ would have gotten very far realistically' date=' and that Ron is probably wrong i this case, but If you knew Ron, you would not questiopn his integrity.[/quote']

 

I’m sorry, I don’t understand.

 

You’re saying that the promise you made to Wilde, when you were one of the magnificent three, was that you would keep the contents of your conversation completely confidential. This is the same Wilde who, according to you, went to the other two amigos and told them SOS wanted him as chairman.

 

Yet despite Wilde’s telling you (by your own account) an out-and-out lie, you still felt honour-bound to keep absolutely secret the extraordinary piece of news that he was about to shack up with Lowe.

 

All this, despite another promise that you, as part of SOS, made to other forum members that you would report back what was said at the meetings with the three amigos and would keep everyone up to date on progress, if any.

 

I can’t be the only one at the time who thought that if you had just said something at the time, the howls of protest might have dissuaded Wilde from taking the decision that eventually wrecked the club.

 

Now I wouldn’t bring up this ancient history were it not for the fact that what’s at issue here, following Weston’s post, is the self-selection of know-alls who take it upon themselves to let it be known that they know something and we don’t - but that they will keep it to themselves.

 

I just don’t see how that’s ‘irrelevant’.

[Mole]

I believe, sir, that you are indeed correct!

 

Infact having had a little research - very unlike me - I note that it was all the people who are so ITK regarding the MJ bid now, who were saying we were doomed and the club was going to be wound up, the day before the big announcement!

 

Funny how they could have such thoughts a week or so ago, but are now so adamant that Coco the Clown was standing in the wings all along, ready to save our bacon

 

Common sense doesn't come into it with ITK's. They are fed seeds to sow and made to feel special and get taken in hook line and sinker every time.

[dubai_phil]

it will fade when we have had enough of the video! -not for a while, give it more viewings it gets better each time!

 

Let's face it though. You guys on here see that Video and have a good laugh about it.

 

Me. hell I've turned it into a lucrative sideline to my career.

 

Giving Media Management training to small companies here, that clip has been worth a fortune to myself and a good mate here who does corporate type events and Life Coaching!

 

You can tell people how and what they should do and how they should prepare for the media until you are blue in the face, but then show them that clip and bingo, they get it.

 

Dear old MJ didn't see the value, he still says "but what's wrong with wanting Saints to play the same style of football as Arsenal..."

 

bless

[NickG]

and the punch line was he hadn't really taken them over!

[Mole]

This quote from echo messages made me laugh.

 

Marc jackson has no money,FACT! if he did why would he drive around in a leased Chrysler and why would a rich business man live in a shared flat in poole!!! FACT he is a muppet

HA HA Security Word tiny-flat!!!

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4412970.Rival_consortium_was__close__to_taking_over_Saints/

[NickG]

http://asf.narrowstep.tv/mcp?psid=86165582&ref=0&chid=977&pid=3346&vid=69175095&br=400&tid=1&void=175029&fab=0

 

deja vu?

 

disappointed to see this thread has not faded onto second page of forum. Surely people are not still watching the video?

 

Come on, its not that funny.

[Micky]

disappointed to see this thread has not faded onto second page of forum. Surely people are not still watching the video?

 

Come on, its not that funny.

 

I think you'll find that it will do soon - that link no longer works anyway, so perhaps somebody has had it removed.

[Wade Garrett]

disappointed to see this thread has not faded onto second page of forum. Surely people are not still watching the video?

 

Come on, its not that funny.

 

I share your disappointment Nick. This thread has no business on page 1 of the forum.

[NickG]

anyone know what's happened to the interview?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I think it abvout time Ron responded actually - having made what I think to be a pretty "out of order post" the least he could do is apologise. The fact this thread is getting bumped proves others think the same.

 

Sorry Ron, you can't have things both ways.

[Weston Super Saint]

I think it abvout time Ron responded actually - having made what I think to be a pretty "out of order post" the least he could do is apologise. The fact this thread is getting bumped proves others think the same.

 

Sorry Ron, you can't have things both ways.

 

He's far too busy getting text messages informing him the Pinnacle deal is going pear shaped

[Weston Saint]

I am not going to comment further on the subject Duncan. I think it is best that way.