NickG Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 same bull as give when he "took over" cherries http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4412970.Rival_consortium__close__to_taking_over_Saints/?ref=rss
alpine_saint Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Yep, lets slag off someone who tried to save the club
OldNick Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 MrG I think you should perhaps wait for the deal to be fully signed before having a go at MJ. If you read it he says he will make contact gain with Fry if Pinnacle fails. Now whilst i understand your reservations IF and it is unlikely would we be a bit stupid to then be in a position to say we dont want his consortium to buy.We now know a bit mote of his backers.
bridge too far Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Maybe he could concentrate his 'resources' on trying to save Bournemouth again :smt102
NickG Posted 2 June, 2009 Author Posted 2 June, 2009 read back on the Bournemouth saga and then decide whether you think this is a likely back up!
ottery st mary Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 bridge too far said: Maybe he could concentrate his 'resources' on trying to save Bournemouth again :smt102 Or even Weymouth:rolleyes:
NickG Posted 2 June, 2009 Author Posted 2 June, 2009 alpine_saint said: Yep, lets slag off someone who tried to save the club better than slagging off every player;)
NickG Posted 2 June, 2009 Author Posted 2 June, 2009 http://asf.narrowstep.tv/mcp?psid=86165582&ref=0&chid=977&pid=3346&vid=69175095&br=400&tid=1&void=175029&fab=0 deja vu?
Wade Garrett Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 NickG said: same bull as give when he "took over" cherries http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4412970.Rival_consortium__close__to_taking_over_Saints/?ref=rss His bullsh*t knows no bounds. Basically he's saying he would have taken over if he had the money. What an odious self-publicist he is. I still can't believe so many people were taken in by him and his crap.
OldNick Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 NickG said: read back on the Bournemouth saga and then decide whether you think this is a likely back up! I understand that MrG but if we do need him , we will be praying that he isnt all talk.Surely if the fans have faith that Fry thinks it was worth talking to him that he must have something more than just talk.I do hope so if all else fails.Not that it will but it is good to have plenty of bakup if all else fails. I also believe it is an expensive way to get your picture in the papers, if he is all bluff he would be into his fantasy by at leat 10k
Marsdinho Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 I agree with what someone on the echo website posted...... Charlie George's Lawnmower, Soton says... 9:00am Tue 2 Jun 09 I guess only Mark Fry will know if what Jackson says is the truth or not. On the face of it, Saints could have had a lucky escape because if Jackson's consortium was falling apart & disagreeing even before taking over, it doesn't really bode well for actually running the club does it !?
Master Bates Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 alpine_saint said: Yep, lets slag off someone who tried to save the club If think you're wrong, sick and disgusting, and I wuv you
alpine_saint Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Choice between Marc Jackson and He Who Must Not Ne Hamed, I know which one I prefer.
Wade Garrett Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 nickh said: MrG I think you should perhaps wait for the deal to be fully signed before having a go at MJ. If you read it he says he will make contact gain with Fry if Pinnacle fails. Now whilst i understand your reservations IF and it is unlikely would we be a bit stupid to then be in a position to say we dont want his consortium to buy.We now know a bit mote of his backers. F*cking hell nick. The man is full of it. He will never take over a football club, and he is as much a backup if the Pinnacle bid fails as I am. We only know about his backers what he's telling us. The man couldn't lie straight in bed.
OldNick Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Wade Garrett said: F*cking hell nick. The man is full of it. He will never take over a football club, and he is as much a backup if the Pinnacle bid fails as I am. We only know about his backers what he's telling us. The man couldn't lie straight in bed. You are probably right and lets just hope we never need to find out for sure. Iam still of the belief that there was more to the group than just his bluff.Again I say just how much does it cost to play his game?
dubai_phil Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Nick Alpine is right. So what exactly is your point Nick? It was commented on many times on here, and it was posted many times that at least there was a possible option. All you are doing is repeating what has been said on about 5,000 other threads. Could you PLEASE tell me where it has been published/announced that Pinnacle have completed the project and are now in full operational control of SFC Ltd? or is it more correct that has not actually happened yet, and a group of which MJ is a member have at least made the comment that in case of an absolute emergency, they stand ready to try and save the club. Would you prefer there NOT to be a safety net? or does you blind prejudice to ALL the points that were made about MJ being in a GROUP of people mean you think nothing should be done. Anyobody who lives in the UK should have some form of insurance policy. Nobody likes insurance companies, but at least IF they are needed they are there as long as you have a valid claim
NickG Posted 2 June, 2009 Author Posted 2 June, 2009 Wade Garrett said: His bullsh*t knows no bounds. Basically he's saying he would have taken over if he had the money. What an odious self-publicist he is. I still can't believe so many people were taken in by him and his crap. if I had the money I would have! If they thought the official administrator was a liar, and they couldn't find the cash for a deposit, I really wouldn't want them involved. Of course it would be better than no club, but looking at how the consortium and finance fell to bits for Bournemouth, then seeing this article my guess is that even if they had found the deposit they would not have completed, hence phew that was close!
OldNick Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Marsdinho said: I agree with what someone on the echo website posted...... Charlie George's Lawnmower, Soton says... 9:00am Tue 2 Jun 09 I guess only Mark Fry will know if what Jackson says is the truth or not. On the face of it, Saints could have had a lucky escape because if Jackson's consortium was falling apart & disagreeing even before taking over, it doesn't really bode well for actually running the club does it !?Hold on, even Pinnacle have had people let them down. We have the best bet taking us forward lets just be happy with that
Dicko Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 NickG said: http://asf.narrowstep.tv/mcp?psid=86165582&ref=0&chid=977&pid=3346&vid=69175095&br=400&tid=1&void=175029&fab=0 deja vu? I can't make up my mind on the guy Nick He talks a very good game, surely he can't be totally full of bull****
NickG Posted 2 June, 2009 Author Posted 2 June, 2009 dubai_phil said: Nick Alpine is right. So what exactly is your point Nick? It was commented on many times on here, and it was posted many times that at least there was a possible option. All you are doing is repeating what has been said on about 5,000 other threads. Could you PLEASE tell me where it has been published/announced that Pinnacle have completed the project and are now in full operational control of SFC Ltd? or is it more correct that has not actually happened yet, and a group of which MJ is a member have at least made the comment that in case of an absolute emergency, they stand ready to try and save the club. Would you prefer there NOT to be a safety net? or does you blind prejudice to ALL the points that were made about MJ being in a GROUP of people mean you think nothing should be done. Anyobody who lives in the UK should have some form of insurance policy. Nobody likes insurance companies, but at least IF they are needed they are there as long as you have a valid claim phil - you are missing the point, it is not old news, its his comments in press today; If I hadn’t been badly let down by another member we did not put in the £500,000.” one of his financial backers refused to pay the non-refundable deposit of half a million pounds Consequently that money isn’t liquid. But one of the guys had awful lot of liquid cash, but he didn't believe Mark Fry was telling the truth when he said that he had another bid on the cusp.
Barry the Badger Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 I'm not sure his 'backer' will still be on board should pinnacle fail, after MJ has just criticised him in the paper. Not exactly proffesional.
OldNick Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Barry the Badger said: I'm not sure his 'backer' will still be on board should pinnacle fail, after MJ has just criticised him in the paper. Not exactly proffesional. I would suggest that the new bid if Pinnacle failed would be a lot lower due to timescales.Lets not thing about it.
thorpie the sinner Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 even by our standards this is amusing!! Slagging off the back up plan!! I really do hope Pinnacle complete otherwise this forum will implode! Utterly unbelievable
Channon's Sideburns Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Barry the Badger said: I'm not sure his 'backer' will still be on board should pinnacle fail, after MJ has just criticised him in the paper. Not exactly proffesional. Head...the....on...Nail.... Therein lies the problem with MJ - could have declared an ongoing interest...but without slagging off your investors. Fair play to him for the effort put in, but in that statement he's undone some of his good work.
Wade Garrett Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 dubai_phil said: Nick Alpine is right. So what exactly is your point Nick? It was commented on many times on here, and it was posted many times that at least there was a possible option. All you are doing is repeating what has been said on about 5,000 other threads. Could you PLEASE tell me where it has been published/announced that Pinnacle have completed the project and are now in full operational control of SFC Ltd? or is it more correct that has not actually happened yet, and a group of which MJ is a member have at least made the comment that in case of an absolute emergency, they stand ready to try and save the club. Would you prefer there NOT to be a safety net? or does you blind prejudice to ALL the points that were made about MJ being in a GROUP of people mean you think nothing should be done. Anyobody who lives in the UK should have some form of insurance policy. Nobody likes insurance companies, but at least IF they are needed they are there as long as you have a valid claim There is no safety net from MJ. It is not blind prejudice. I would rather not have any insurance policy than a worthless Marc Jackson one. Still it made you feel important while it lasted.
NickG Posted 2 June, 2009 Author Posted 2 June, 2009 thorpie the sinner said: even by our standards this is amusing!! Slagging off the back up plan!! I really do hope Pinnacle complete otherwise this forum will implode! Utterly unbelievable what makes you think this is the back up plan? (Apart from MJ)
NickG Posted 2 June, 2009 Author Posted 2 June, 2009 before you slag of those of us doubting the "back up plan" please watch the video on post 8, after he claimed the Bournemouth takeover was complete, only for others to state otherwise.
dubai_phil Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 NickG said: phil - you are missing the point, it is not old news, its his comments in press today; If I hadn’t been badly let down by another member we did not put in the £500,000.” one of his financial backers refused to pay the non-refundable deposit of half a million pounds Consequently that money isn’t liquid. But one of the guys had awful lot of liquid cash, but he didn't believe Mark Fry was telling the truth when he said that he had another bid on the cusp. And why did they not put in that 500k? Option 1 - because it did not exist (the populist view) and of course fair or could it have been Option 2 - because an oblique contractual term was actually "technically" illegal under UK law but would not be removed Option 3 - because the investor broke a contractual agreement Option 4 - having agreed a bid price and a deposit, the bid price needed to be increased again to cover the new wage costs nick I have fully understood and agreed with the populist view, however the time to dance on MJ's grave is not YET, not until Pinnacle own the club, whichj should happen in the next 18 days. Until then, do you also take issue with the fact that he congratulated Tony & MLT. Was that the same as he did at Bournemouth?
DT Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 dubai_phil said: Nick Alpine is right. So what exactly is your point Nick? It was commented on many times on here, and it was posted many times that at least there was a possible option. All you are doing is repeating what has been said on about 5,000 other threads. Could you PLEASE tell me where it has been published/announced that Pinnacle have completed the project and are now in full operational control of SFC Ltd? or is it more correct that has not actually happened yet, and a group of which MJ is a member have at least made the comment that in case of an absolute emergency, they stand ready to try and save the club. Would you prefer there NOT to be a safety net? or does you blind prejudice to ALL the points that were made about MJ being in a GROUP of people mean you think nothing should be done. Anyobody who lives in the UK should have some form of insurance policy. Nobody likes insurance companies, but at least IF they are needed they are there as long as you have a valid claim Very interested you should mention insurance companies because when the Swiss interest was mooted it struck me that it could be Zurich or even Swiss Re providing the wonga. Maybe it was and you're connected to them in some way? Seems a bit of an odd thing to say without any other incentive... Ho hum.
alpine_saint Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 dubai_phil said: I have fully understood and agreed with the populist view, however the time to dance on MJ's grave is not YET, not until Pinnacle own the club, whichj should happen in the next 18 days. Until then, do you also take issue with the fact that he congratulated Tony & MLT. Was that the same as he did at Bournemouth? I dont think we should dance on his grave at any point. He must have expended considerable energy and cost in order to try to put a bid together, and maybe that activity shook a couple of other interested parties out of the tree. He did SOMETHING, which may lead directly or indirectly to the club being saved from Lowe and Wilde. The man deserves our thanks, FFS.
NickG Posted 2 June, 2009 Author Posted 2 June, 2009 I am not dancing on his grave, I have nothing against him as an individual but if he offers to speak in the media he must accept that he will be judged by it. I followed the Bournemouth saga in press, local radio and even that tv interview. I have now read his comments about the consortium failing to agree on this funding and thinking Fry was a liar. Based on that I am very glad that Pinnacle paid the money before him. Is that not fair?
saint_mears Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 The blokes a total idiot and was never going to get in at Saints. He claims in the Echo he speaks to Le tissier regularly, ummmm Run by a equity fund ? ahh no thanks
dubai_phil Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 NickG said: I am not dancing on his grave, I have nothing against him as an individual but if he offers to speak in the media he must accept that he will be judged by it. I followed the Bournemouth saga in press, local radio and even that tv interview. I have now read his comments about the consortium failing to agree on this funding and thinking Fry was a liar. Based on that I am very glad that Pinnacle paid the money before him. Is that not fair? Everyone who had anything to do with helping out were very relieved that Pinnacle paid the money up. As of last Wednesday however, the Irish had disappeared back to the Blarney Stone, the wages needed to be paid and disaster loomed on Friday morning. At that time, after having conducted their activities in the public eye, Pinnacle were nowhere to be seen. Thank God they re-appeared on Friday. But would you advocate sitting back last Wednesday when there was NOTHING else on the table and you had every belief that the club would not be able to pay the salaries? very clever talent Nick, being able to see the future like you do. Could have used you help last week, some of us could have got some sleep and not spent money on lots of phone calls.
Doctoroncall Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 NickG said: I am not dancing on his grave, I have nothing against him as an individual but if he offers to speak in the media he must accept that he will be judged by it. I followed the Bournemouth saga in press, local radio and even that tv interview. I have now read his comments about the consortium failing to agree on this funding and thinking Fry was a liar. Based on that I am very glad that Pinnacle paid the money before him. Is that not fair? So what happened after the interview. Why did he not take on Bournemouth? I wasn't impressed with his interview technique, he came across as a man of little substance and too much waffle.
saint_mears Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 thorpie the sinner said: even by our standards this is amusing!! Slagging off the back up plan!! I really do hope Pinnacle complete otherwise this forum will implode! Utterly unbelievable back up plan ? umm i dont think it was not by a million miles.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 alpine_saint said: Yep, lets slag off someone who tried to save the club For once I am in agreement with Alpine and it seems judging by Jackson's comments my thoughts were correct that Jackson was used as a tool to apply pressure on preferred bidders. As long as it secures the best deal for the club I don't really care but no reason to knock the bloke as he clearly played an important role in the bargaining process.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Marsdinho said: I agree with what someone on the echo website posted...... Charlie George's Lawnmower, Soton says... 9:00am Tue 2 Jun 09 I guess only Mark Fry will know if what Jackson says is the truth or not. On the face of it, Saints could have had a lucky escape because if Jackson's consortium was falling apart & disagreeing even before taking over, it doesn't really bode well for actually running the club does it !? And the Pinnacle consortium was united from the off?
Bailey Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Credit to Marc Jackson if he genuinely was 'close' to securing a deal to buy Saints, and I thank him for his efforts. However, I just don't see how anyone can be taken seriously after watching that interview re: Bournemouth.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 nickh said: Hold on, even Pinnacle have had people let them down. We have the best bet taking us forward lets just be happy with that Exactly. (Sorry Nick didn't see this before my post above)
ottery st mary Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Very confused...to be fair easily done... Was Mr Jackson working for Mr Fry in Bournemouth and Southampton...Or just on an individual publicity tour for a book he is about to release...
St Landrew Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 alpine_saint said: I dont think we should dance on his grave at any point. He must have expended considerable energy and cost in order to try to put a bid together, and maybe that activity shook a couple of other interested parties out of the tree. He did SOMETHING, which may lead directly or indirectly to the club being saved from Lowe and Wilde. The man deserves our thanks, FFS. Agreed. However, it seems that there is little charity in the heart of the modern football supporter. It costs people nothing to just say thanks for the effort, whether or not that effort is fully appreciated or understood. Perhaps we shoulfd just leave the subject like that.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 dubai_phil said: Nick Alpine is right. So what exactly is your point Nick? It was commented on many times on here, and it was posted many times that at least there was a possible option. All you are doing is repeating what has been said on about 5,000 other threads. Could you PLEASE tell me where it has been published/announced that Pinnacle have completed the project and are now in full operational control of SFC Ltd? or is it more correct that has not actually happened yet, and a group of which MJ is a member have at least made the comment that in case of an absolute emergency, they stand ready to try and save the club. Would you prefer there NOT to be a safety net? or does you blind prejudice to ALL the points that were made about MJ being in a GROUP of people mean you think nothing should be done. Anyobody who lives in the UK should have some form of insurance policy. Nobody likes insurance companies, but at least IF they are needed they are there as long as you have a valid claim Phil, unfortunately, 'blind prejudice' is endemic within our fanbase and we will never be rid of it. Having a justifiable opinion is one thing jumping on the bandwagon just bacause everyone else has in another thing entirely.
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 ottery st mary said: Very confused...to be fair easily done... Was Mr Jackson working for Mr Fry in Bournemouth and Southampton...Or just on an individual publicity tour for a book he is about to release... Interesting point, as on both occassions the outcome was the same
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Doctoroncall said: So what happened after the interview. Why did he not take on Bournemouth? I wasn't impressed with his interview technique, he came across as a man of little substance and too much waffle. Not exactly a stick to beat him with as other people more revered by the fan base have shown similar weaknesses.
Mr Nice Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Well i would not believe a word Jackson has ever said as history shows. Thinks he something he is clearly not and only looking out to make money out of situations.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 ottery st mary said: Very confused...to be fair easily done... Was Mr Jackson working for Mr Fry in Bournemouth and Southampton...Or just on an individual publicity tour for a book he is about to release... Maybe, he was invisible between the two takeover sagas so could we assume he was guesting on the Richard and Judy show on Don't Watch Channel?
Foxstone Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 alpine_saint said: I dont think we should dance on his grave at any point. He must have expended considerable energy and cost in order to try to put a bid together, and maybe that activity shook a couple of other interested parties out of the tree. He did SOMETHING, which may lead directly or indirectly to the club being saved from Lowe and Wilde. The man deserves our thanks, FFS. Agree with that ! He fronted up at a time when we needed people to front up - Which is more than Davies, Frost, Trant and numerous others seem to have done...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Mr Nice said: Well i would not believe a word Jackson has ever said as history shows. Thinks he something he is clearly not and only looking out to make money out of situations. Says the bloke whose role model appears to be Howard Marks the drug smuggler. Not Nice
Doctoroncall Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 Nineteen Canteen said: Not exactly a stick to beat him with as other people more revered by the fan base have shown similar weaknesses. What else has MJ shown? endeavour, willingness to do something... that will not get you far in business.
Scummer Posted 2 June, 2009 Posted 2 June, 2009 dubai_phil said: At that time, after having conducted their activities in the public eye, Pinnacle were nowhere to be seen. Phil, fair play to you for fighting MJ's corner, but a couple of things. From where I'm sitting, Pinnacle were hardly in the public eye at all. You have been going to great lengths to downplay Jackson's involvement. Yet if that's the case, why is he plastered all over the paper and giving interviews? Also, you kept saying Green was the good guy who was untarnished by what had gone before. But wasn't he a director in the Trican/Barry the Briefcase affair? Didn't that show a serious error of judgement? I'm not trying to have a go, you seem like a decent bloke. These are just a few questions/niggles I have with the affair.
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