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MrG I think you should perhaps wait for the deal to be fully signed before having a go at MJ. If you read it he says he will make contact gain with Fry if Pinnacle fails. Now whilst i understand your reservations IF and it is unlikely would we be a bit stupid to then be in a position to say we dont want his consortium to buy.We now know a bit mote of his backers.

OldNick

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  NickG said:
read back on the Bournemouth saga and then decide whether you think this is a likely back up!

I understand that MrG but if we do need him , we will be praying that he isnt all talk.Surely if the fans have faith that Fry thinks it was worth talking to him that he must have something more than just talk.I do hope so if all else fails.Not that it will but it is good to have plenty of bakup if all else fails. I also believe it is an expensive way to get your picture in the papers, if he is all bluff he would be into his fantasy by at leat 10k

Marsdinho

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I agree with what someone on the echo website posted......

 

Charlie George's Lawnmower, Soton says...

9:00am Tue 2 Jun 09

I guess only Mark Fry will know if what Jackson says is the truth or not.

 

On the face of it, Saints could have had a lucky escape because if Jackson's consortium was falling apart & disagreeing even before taking over, it doesn't really bode well for actually running the club does it !?

Wade Garrett

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  nickh said:
MrG I think you should perhaps wait for the deal to be fully signed before having a go at MJ. If you read it he says he will make contact gain with Fry if Pinnacle fails. Now whilst i understand your reservations IF and it is unlikely would we be a bit stupid to then be in a position to say we dont want his consortium to buy.We now know a bit mote of his backers.

 

F*cking hell nick. The man is full of it. He will never take over a football club, and he is as much a backup if the Pinnacle bid fails as I am.

 

We only know about his backers what he's telling us. The man couldn't lie straight in bed.

OldNick

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  Wade Garrett said:
F*cking hell nick. The man is full of it. He will never take over a football club, and he is as much a backup if the Pinnacle bid fails as I am.

 

We only know about his backers what he's telling us. The man couldn't lie straight in bed.

You are probably right and lets just hope we never need to find out for sure.

Iam still of the belief that there was more to the group than just his bluff.Again I say just how much does it cost to play his game?

dubai_phil

dubai_phil

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Nick

Alpine is right.

 

So what exactly is your point Nick?

 

It was commented on many times on here, and it was posted many times that at least there was a possible option.

 

All you are doing is repeating what has been said on about 5,000 other threads.

 

Could you PLEASE tell me where it has been published/announced that Pinnacle have completed the project and are now in full operational control of SFC Ltd?

 

or is it more correct that has not actually happened yet, and a group of which MJ is a member have at least made the comment that in case of an absolute emergency, they stand ready to try and save the club.

 

Would you prefer there NOT to be a safety net? or does you blind prejudice to ALL the points that were made about MJ being in a GROUP of people mean you think nothing should be done.

 

Anyobody who lives in the UK should have some form of insurance policy. Nobody likes insurance companies, but at least IF they are needed they are there as long as you have a valid claim

NickG

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  Wade Garrett said:
His bullsh*t knows no bounds.

 

Basically he's saying he would have taken over if he had the money. What an odious self-publicist he is. I still can't believe so many people were taken in by him and his crap.

 

if I had the money I would have!

 

If they thought the official administrator was a liar, and they couldn't find the cash for a deposit, I really wouldn't want them involved.

 

Of course it would be better than no club, but looking at how the consortium and finance fell to bits for Bournemouth, then seeing this article my guess is that even if they had found the deposit they would not have completed, hence phew that was close!

OldNick

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  Marsdinho said:
I agree with what someone on the echo website posted......

 

Charlie George's Lawnmower, Soton says...

9:00am Tue 2 Jun 09

I guess only Mark Fry will know if what Jackson says is the truth or not.

 

On the face of it, Saints could have had a lucky escape because if Jackson's consortium was falling apart & disagreeing even before taking over, it doesn't really bode well for actually running the club does it !?

Hold on, even Pinnacle have had people let them down. We have the best bet taking us forward lets just be happy with that
NickG

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  dubai_phil said:
Nick

Alpine is right.

 

So what exactly is your point Nick?

 

It was commented on many times on here, and it was posted many times that at least there was a possible option.

 

All you are doing is repeating what has been said on about 5,000 other threads.

 

Could you PLEASE tell me where it has been published/announced that Pinnacle have completed the project and are now in full operational control of SFC Ltd?

 

or is it more correct that has not actually happened yet, and a group of which MJ is a member have at least made the comment that in case of an absolute emergency, they stand ready to try and save the club.

 

Would you prefer there NOT to be a safety net? or does you blind prejudice to ALL the points that were made about MJ being in a GROUP of people mean you think nothing should be done.

 

Anyobody who lives in the UK should have some form of insurance policy. Nobody likes insurance companies, but at least IF they are needed they are there as long as you have a valid claim

 

phil - you are missing the point, it is not old news, its his comments in press today;

 

If I hadn’t been badly let down by another member

we did not put in the £500,000.”

one of his financial backers refused to pay the non-refundable deposit of half a million pounds

Consequently that money isn’t liquid. But one of the guys had awful lot of liquid cash, but he didn't believe Mark Fry was telling the truth when he said that he had another bid on the cusp.

OldNick

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  Barry the Badger said:
I'm not sure his 'backer' will still be on board should pinnacle fail, after MJ has just criticised him in the paper. Not exactly proffesional.

 

I would suggest that the new bid if Pinnacle failed would be a lot lower due to timescales.Lets not thing about it.

Channon's Sideburns

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  Barry the Badger said:
I'm not sure his 'backer' will still be on board should pinnacle fail, after MJ has just criticised him in the paper. Not exactly proffesional.

 

Head...the....on...Nail....

 

Therein lies the problem with MJ - could have declared an ongoing interest...but without slagging off your investors.

 

Fair play to him for the effort put in, but in that statement he's undone some of his good work.

Wade Garrett

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  dubai_phil said:
Nick

Alpine is right.

 

So what exactly is your point Nick?

 

It was commented on many times on here, and it was posted many times that at least there was a possible option.

 

All you are doing is repeating what has been said on about 5,000 other threads.

 

Could you PLEASE tell me where it has been published/announced that Pinnacle have completed the project and are now in full operational control of SFC Ltd?

 

or is it more correct that has not actually happened yet, and a group of which MJ is a member have at least made the comment that in case of an absolute emergency, they stand ready to try and save the club.

 

Would you prefer there NOT to be a safety net? or does you blind prejudice to ALL the points that were made about MJ being in a GROUP of people mean you think nothing should be done.

 

Anyobody who lives in the UK should have some form of insurance policy. Nobody likes insurance companies, but at least IF they are needed they are there as long as you have a valid claim

 

There is no safety net from MJ. It is not blind prejudice. I would rather not have any insurance policy than a worthless Marc Jackson one.

 

Still it made you feel important while it lasted.

NickG

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  thorpie the sinner said:
even by our standards this is amusing!! Slagging off the back up plan!! I really do hope Pinnacle complete otherwise this forum will implode! Utterly unbelievable

 

what makes you think this is the back up plan? (Apart from MJ)

NickG

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before you slag of those of us doubting the "back up plan" please watch the video on post 8, after he claimed the Bournemouth takeover was complete, only for others to state otherwise.

dubai_phil

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  NickG said:
phil - you are missing the point, it is not old news, its his comments in press today;

 

If I hadn’t been badly let down by another member

we did not put in the £500,000.”

one of his financial backers refused to pay the non-refundable deposit of half a million pounds

Consequently that money isn’t liquid. But one of the guys had awful lot of liquid cash, but he didn't believe Mark Fry was telling the truth when he said that he had another bid on the cusp.

 

 

And why did they not put in that 500k?

 

Option 1 - because it did not exist (the populist view) and of course fair

 

or could it have been

 

Option 2 - because an oblique contractual term was actually "technically" illegal under UK law but would not be removed

 

Option 3 - because the investor broke a contractual agreement

 

Option 4 - having agreed a bid price and a deposit, the bid price needed to be increased again to cover the new wage costs

 

nick

 

I have fully understood and agreed with the populist view, however the time to dance on MJ's grave is not YET, not until Pinnacle own the club, whichj should happen in the next 18 days. Until then, do you also take issue with the fact that he congratulated Tony & MLT.

Was that the same as he did at Bournemouth?

DT

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  dubai_phil said:
Nick

Alpine is right.

 

So what exactly is your point Nick?

 

It was commented on many times on here, and it was posted many times that at least there was a possible option.

 

All you are doing is repeating what has been said on about 5,000 other threads.

 

Could you PLEASE tell me where it has been published/announced that Pinnacle have completed the project and are now in full operational control of SFC Ltd?

 

or is it more correct that has not actually happened yet, and a group of which MJ is a member have at least made the comment that in case of an absolute emergency, they stand ready to try and save the club.

 

Would you prefer there NOT to be a safety net? or does you blind prejudice to ALL the points that were made about MJ being in a GROUP of people mean you think nothing should be done.

 

Anyobody who lives in the UK should have some form of insurance policy. Nobody likes insurance companies, but at least IF they are needed they are there as long as you have a valid claim

 

Very interested you should mention insurance companies because when the Swiss interest was mooted it struck me that it could be Zurich or even Swiss Re providing the wonga. Maybe it was and you're connected to them in some way? Seems a bit of an odd thing to say without any other incentive...

Ho hum.

alpine_saint

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  dubai_phil said:

 

I have fully understood and agreed with the populist view, however the time to dance on MJ's grave is not YET, not until Pinnacle own the club, whichj should happen in the next 18 days. Until then, do you also take issue with the fact that he congratulated Tony & MLT.

Was that the same as he did at Bournemouth?

 

I dont think we should dance on his grave at any point.

 

He must have expended considerable energy and cost in order to try to put a bid together, and maybe that activity shook a couple of other interested parties out of the tree.

 

He did SOMETHING, which may lead directly or indirectly to the club being saved from Lowe and Wilde.

 

The man deserves our thanks, FFS.

NickG

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I am not dancing on his grave, I have nothing against him as an individual but if he offers to speak in the media he must accept that he will be judged by it.

 

I followed the Bournemouth saga in press, local radio and even that tv interview.

I have now read his comments about the consortium failing to agree on this funding and thinking Fry was a liar.

 

Based on that I am very glad that Pinnacle paid the money before him.

 

Is that not fair?

saint_mears

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The blokes a total idiot and was never going to get in at Saints.

 

He claims in the Echo he speaks to Le tissier regularly, ummmm

 

Run by a equity fund ? ahh no thanks

dubai_phil

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  NickG said:
I am not dancing on his grave, I have nothing against him as an individual but if he offers to speak in the media he must accept that he will be judged by it.

 

I followed the Bournemouth saga in press, local radio and even that tv interview.

I have now read his comments about the consortium failing to agree on this funding and thinking Fry was a liar.

 

Based on that I am very glad that Pinnacle paid the money before him.

 

Is that not fair?

 

Everyone who had anything to do with helping out were very relieved that Pinnacle paid the money up.

 

As of last Wednesday however, the Irish had disappeared back to the Blarney Stone, the wages needed to be paid and disaster loomed on Friday morning.

 

At that time, after having conducted their activities in the public eye, Pinnacle were nowhere to be seen.

 

Thank God they re-appeared on Friday. But would you advocate sitting back last Wednesday when there was NOTHING else on the table and you had every belief that the club would not be able to pay the salaries?

 

very clever talent Nick, being able to see the future like you do. Could have used you help last week, some of us could have got some sleep and not spent money on lots of phone calls.

Doctoroncall

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  NickG said:
I am not dancing on his grave, I have nothing against him as an individual but if he offers to speak in the media he must accept that he will be judged by it.

 

I followed the Bournemouth saga in press, local radio and even that tv interview.

I have now read his comments about the consortium failing to agree on this funding and thinking Fry was a liar.

 

Based on that I am very glad that Pinnacle paid the money before him.

 

Is that not fair?

 

So what happened after the interview. Why did he not take on Bournemouth?

 

I wasn't impressed with his interview technique, he came across as a man of little substance and too much waffle.

saint_mears

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  thorpie the sinner said:
even by our standards this is amusing!! Slagging off the back up plan!! I really do hope Pinnacle complete otherwise this forum will implode! Utterly unbelievable

 

 

back up plan ? umm i dont think it was not by a million miles.

Nineteen Canteen

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  alpine_saint said:
Yep, lets slag off someone who tried to save the club :rolleyes:

 

For once I am in agreement with Alpine and it seems judging by Jackson's comments my thoughts were correct that Jackson was used as a tool to apply pressure on preferred bidders. As long as it secures the best deal for the club I don't really care but no reason to knock the bloke as he clearly played an important role in the bargaining process.

Nineteen Canteen

Nineteen Canteen

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  Marsdinho said:
I agree with what someone on the echo website posted......

 

Charlie George's Lawnmower, Soton says...

9:00am Tue 2 Jun 09

I guess only Mark Fry will know if what Jackson says is the truth or not.

 

On the face of it, Saints could have had a lucky escape because if Jackson's consortium was falling apart & disagreeing even before taking over, it doesn't really bode well for actually running the club does it !?

 

And the Pinnacle consortium was united from the off?

Bailey

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Credit to Marc Jackson if he genuinely was 'close' to securing a deal to buy Saints, and I thank him for his efforts.

 

However, I just don't see how anyone can be taken seriously after watching that interview re: Bournemouth.

St Landrew

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  alpine_saint said:
I dont think we should dance on his grave at any point.

 

He must have expended considerable energy and cost in order to try to put a bid together, and maybe that activity shook a couple of other interested parties out of the tree.

 

He did SOMETHING, which may lead directly or indirectly to the club being saved from Lowe and Wilde.

 

The man deserves our thanks, FFS.

 

Agreed. However, it seems that there is little charity in the heart of the modern football supporter. It costs people nothing to just say thanks for the effort, whether or not that effort is fully appreciated or understood. Perhaps we shoulfd just leave the subject like that.

Nineteen Canteen

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  dubai_phil said:
Nick

Alpine is right.

 

So what exactly is your point Nick?

 

It was commented on many times on here, and it was posted many times that at least there was a possible option.

 

All you are doing is repeating what has been said on about 5,000 other threads.

 

Could you PLEASE tell me where it has been published/announced that Pinnacle have completed the project and are now in full operational control of SFC Ltd?

 

or is it more correct that has not actually happened yet, and a group of which MJ is a member have at least made the comment that in case of an absolute emergency, they stand ready to try and save the club.

 

Would you prefer there NOT to be a safety net? or does you blind prejudice to ALL the points that were made about MJ being in a GROUP of people mean you think nothing should be done.

 

Anyobody who lives in the UK should have some form of insurance policy. Nobody likes insurance companies, but at least IF they are needed they are there as long as you have a valid claim

 

Phil, unfortunately, 'blind prejudice' is endemic within our fanbase and we will never be rid of it. Having a justifiable opinion is one thing jumping on the bandwagon just bacause everyone else has in another thing entirely.

INFLUENCED.COM

INFLUENCED.COM

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  ottery st mary said:
Very confused...to be fair easily done... Was Mr Jackson working for Mr Fry in Bournemouth and Southampton...Or just on an individual publicity tour for a book he is about to release...

 

Interesting point, as on both occassions the outcome was the same

Nineteen Canteen

Nineteen Canteen

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  Doctoroncall said:
So what happened after the interview. Why did he not take on Bournemouth?

 

I wasn't impressed with his interview technique, he came across as a man of little substance and too much waffle.

 

Not exactly a stick to beat him with as other people more revered by the fan base have shown similar weaknesses.

Mr Nice

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Well i would not believe a word Jackson has ever said as history shows. Thinks he something he is clearly not and only looking out to make money out of situations.

Nineteen Canteen

Nineteen Canteen

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  ottery st mary said:
Very confused...to be fair easily done... Was Mr Jackson working for Mr Fry in Bournemouth and Southampton...Or just on an individual publicity tour for a book he is about to release...

 

Maybe, he was invisible between the two takeover sagas so could we assume he was guesting on the Richard and Judy show on Don't Watch Channel?

Foxstone

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  alpine_saint said:
I dont think we should dance on his grave at any point.

 

He must have expended considerable energy and cost in order to try to put a bid together, and maybe that activity shook a couple of other interested parties out of the tree.

 

He did SOMETHING, which may lead directly or indirectly to the club being saved from Lowe and Wilde.

 

The man deserves our thanks, FFS.

 

Agree with that !

 

He fronted up at a time when we needed people to front up - Which is more than Davies, Frost, Trant and numerous others seem to have done...

Nineteen Canteen

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  Mr Nice said:
Well i would not believe a word Jackson has ever said as history shows. Thinks he something he is clearly not and only looking out to make money out of situations.

 

Says the bloke whose role model appears to be Howard Marks the drug smuggler. Not Nice

Doctoroncall

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  Nineteen Canteen said:
Not exactly a stick to beat him with as other people more revered by the fan base have shown similar weaknesses.

 

What else has MJ shown? endeavour, willingness to do something... that will not get you far in business.

Scummer

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  dubai_phil said:

 

At that time, after having conducted their activities in the public eye, Pinnacle were nowhere to be seen.

 

Phil, fair play to you for fighting MJ's corner, but a couple of things.

 

From where I'm sitting, Pinnacle were hardly in the public eye at all.

 

You have been going to great lengths to downplay Jackson's involvement. Yet if that's the case, why is he plastered all over the paper and giving interviews?

 

Also, you kept saying Green was the good guy who was untarnished by what had gone before. But wasn't he a director in the Trican/Barry the Briefcase affair? Didn't that show a serious error of judgement?

 

I'm not trying to have a go, you seem like a decent bloke. These are just a few questions/niggles I have with the affair.

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