A big thankyou to those who boycotted

[alpine_saint]

doesnt make him blameless though Alps and perhaps was the biggest after relegation.

 

Nick, that is just complete b*ll*cks.

 

Wilde has been the cause of 90% of the problems since relegation (I assume you mean the first relegation...)

[saintjay77]

You are one of the more reasoned posters on here IMO.

 

My issue is when people post their opinions, as being he absoulute fact. I saw the little side debate with UP and KP..the fact remains however, that if you post something designed to create a reaction/debate/argument, then expect a reaction/debate/argument.

 

IMHO of course;-)

 

Fair enough. I just try to treat others how I wish to be treated. We all have opinions and rarley will they all be the same. I dont like being labled a luvvie cause I cant stand the priick but understand that some of my opinions may mean that others will label me. Such as life I suppose.

 

Anyway.... where wre we?

[Wade Garrett]

I think the only way you lot are going to sort this out is by meeting up and having a mass debate followed by a fist fight.

 

Last one standing is right.

[Frank's cousin]

 

 

F**king deal with it and be grateful.

 

See this is what I dont get? deal with what? We have new owners hopefully, modest but important investment and something tobuild on - we did not go under we survived ,...just we are all happy... that does not change the fact that admin was a russian roulette approach if advocated for a boardroom change - thats fact has not changed.

 

Stanley posted a thread designed to provide a provocative statemnet and open teh floodgates - it worked - what the forum is for really dont you think?

[Mole]

Nick, that is just complete b*ll*cks.

 

Wilde has been the cause of 90% of the problems since relegation (I assume you mean the first relegation...)

 

If you think about it though Wilde has unwittingly given us a new lease of life because without his treacherous behaviour in bringing Lowe back there would have been no boycott, administration wouldn't have occured so quickly, and we wouldn't be on the eve of a new dawn.

 

So a big thanks to Mike Wilde for being the catalyst.

[Frank's cousin]

I think the only way you lot are going to sort this out is by meeting up and having a mass debate followed by a fist fight.

 

Last one standing is right.

 

Susect if hed down the pub, we would all end up too pished leaning on each other going 'argsheagsher yer ma best pal' - we are all saints fans afterall, although Stan and Alps miight have taken an early cab home togther ;-)

[OldNick]

If you think about it though Wilde has unwittingly given us a new lease of life because without his treacherous behaviour in bringing Lowe back there would have been no boycott, administration wouldn't have occured so quickly, and we wouldn't be on the eve of a new dawn.

 

So a big thanks to Mike Wilde for being the catalyst.

of course if LC had not backed MW we would not have gone on the spending spree and might not gone into administration.

We may have had a more considered approach to spending and utilised Blackstock etc a bit more , it is all guesswork.

[Mole]

Susect if hed down the pub' date=' we would all end up too pished leaning on each other going 'argsheagsher yer ma best pal' - we are all saints fans afterall, although Stan and Alps miight have taken an early cab home togther ;-)[/quote']

 

I'm sure you'd bore us rigid and we'd end up comitting hari kari long before a brawl broke out.

[Wade Garrett]

Susect if hed down the pub' date=' we would all end up too pished leaning on each other going 'argsheagsher yer ma best pal' - we are all saints fans afterall, although Stan and Alps miight have taken an early cab home togther ;-)[/quote']

 

In which case everyone's a winner, especially Stan and Alps.

[Foxstone]

If you think about it though Wilde has unwittingly given us a new lease of life because without his treacherous behaviour in bringing Lowe back there would have been no boycott, administration wouldn't have occured so quickly, and we wouldn't be on the eve of a new dawn.

 

So a big thanks to Mike Wilde for being the catalyst.

 

 

Oh Christ No !!

 

One sniff of approval from the fans and He will reprise the "Lets Go Wilde" T'Shirts again ! :-&

[Mole]

of course if LC had not backed MW we would not have gone on the spending spree and might not gone into administration.

We may have had a more considered approach to spending and utilised Blackstock etc a bit more , it is all guesswork.

 

The thing is though Nick, we needed administration. Without it Lowe, and Wilde would still be involved and we'd be facing yet another season of turmoil. It became blatently obvious that neither lowe nor Wilde wanted out, so the only way was to force them out.

[NickG]

If you think about it though Wilde has unwittingly given us a new lease of life because without his treacherous behaviour in bringing Lowe back there would have been no boycott, administration wouldn't have occured so quickly, and we wouldn't be on the eve of a new dawn.

 

So a big thanks to Mike Wilde for being the catalyst.

 

but Crouch enable Wilde to come in, and Lowe go and without Lowe wilde wouldn't have come back and....

 

thank god they are gone!

[ottery st mary]

I'm sure you'd bore us rigid and we'd end up comitting hari kari long before a brawl broke out.

So I take it the Forum reunion is cancelled once again.:smt084

[Gingeletiss]

Fair enough. I just try to treat others how I wish to be treated. We all have opinions and rarley will they all be the same. I dont like being labled a luvvie cause I cant stand the priick but understand that some of my opinions may mean that others will label me. Such as life I suppose.

 

Anyway.... where wre we?

 

 

Well...it appears you me and KP, are all mates again, and having a virtual beer together.

[Frank's cousin]

So I take it the Forum reunion is cancelled once again.:smt084

 

just posponed ;-)

[SaintDonkey]

I see where you are coming from.

 

I am caught between holding my breath until the ink has dried on the documents and the new owner's plans come out, and rubbing it in the noses of certain individuals on here who sought to extend Lowe's grip on the club with the fear of administration.

 

For now I choose to do the former. The individuals involved know who they are already..

 

Fair enough - it *might* have turned out for the best. But I'd hold off the rubbing people's faces in it until after we avoid relegation next year. After all administration could yet see us in League 2, that might just be a sacrifice too far.

[Foxstone]

The thing is though Nick, we needed administration. Without it Lowe, and Wilde would still be involved and we'd be facing yet another season of turmoil. It became blatently obvious that neither lowe nor Wilde wanted out, so the only way was to force them out.

 

While I was always against Adminstration due to the risks involved and that all choices would be removed from us, I do concede that it has had the desired affect in driving all our past woes and the individuals that caused them out of positions of power at the club - And that includes all 3 Amigos..

[Mole]

So I take it the Forum reunion is cancelled once again.:smt084

 

Yeah, can you imagine.

 

Stanley: what you drinking frank?

Frank: i feel adventurous, make it a J20.

 

cue 30 minutes of Frank debating which out of Orange & Passion Fruit, Apple & Mango, Apple & Melon, Apple & Blueberry and Apple & Raspberry is his favourite flavour.

[Mole]

While I was always against Adminstration due to the risks involved and that all choices would be removed from us, I do concede that it has had the desired affect in driving all our past woes and the individuals that caused them out of positions of power at the club - And that includes all 3 Amigos..

 

Thanks for being so honest Foxtone.

[solentstars]

Is this thread worth still being here now? Its just going round in circles over the same old shiite from the past.

 

Not even decent debate now its just slinging insults at each other.

 

i agree its the same old groundhog day crap posted by the same lunatic fringe.

we even got one poster talking about feuds not being forgotten, their was no mass boycott because of lowe ,wilde,crouch etc ,the facts was most of the stayaway fans stopped going because economic issues,not winning games ,poor football and not being in the premiership.

[Foxstone]

Thanks for being so honest Foxtone.

 

Fickle are'nt I

 

Its been a long time since I have felt positive about the club, but this new consortium might well just be the catalyst who turns our fortunes around.

[saintjay77]

Well...it appears you me and KP, are all mates again, and having a virtual beer together.

 

Cheers :smileybeeremotethingy:

[Mole]

i agree its the same old groundhog day crap posted by the same lunatic fringe.

we even got one poster talking about feuds not being forgotten, their was no mass boycott because of lowe ,wilde,crouch etc ,the facts was most of the stayaway fans stopped going because economic issues,not winning games ,poor football and not being in the premiership.

 

Grow up you silly boy. We're all debating in a lighthearted way and it's just you a few other youngsters that are crying. You big baby.

[ottery st mary]

i agree its the same old groundhog day crap posted by the same lunatic fringe.

we even got one poster talking about feuds not being forgotten, their was no mass boycott because of lowe ,wilde,crouch etc ,the facts was most of the stayaway fans stopped going because economic issues,not winning games ,poor football and not being in the premiership.

 

Everytime I looked, solentstars....YOU appeared to be in the middle of this lunatic fringe..stood shoulder to shoulder with me. We are the true fans:smt117

[solentstars]

Everytime I looked, solentstars....YOU appeared to be in the middle of this lunatic fringe..stood shoulder to shoulder with me. We are the true fans:smt117

are you and stanley a double act,:smt117

[solentstars]

Grow up you silly boy. We're all debating in a lighthearted way and it's just you a few other youngsters that are crying. You big baby.

you bring tears to my eyes::smt050 are you related to captain Mainwaring by any chance.

[Mole]

are you and stanley a double act,:smt117

 

You are obsessed with me Solentstars and i'm flattered. Every single post of yours is about me.

[Scudamore]

I think the only way you lot are going to sort this out is by meeting up and having a mass debate followed by a fist fight.

 

Last one standing is right.

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mass+debate

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fist+fight

 

[INFLUENCED.COM]

I think the only way you lot are going to sort this out is by meeting up and having a mass debate followed by fisting.

 

Changed it in order it was more appealing to some participants

[solentstars]

You are obsessed with me Solentstars and i'm flattered. Every single post of yours is about me.

i have good taste:D

[solentstars]

I think the only way you lot are going to sort this out is by meeting up and having a mass debate followed by a fist fight.

 

Last one standing is right.

harry hill has to be the ref.;-)

[Mole]

i have good taste:D

 

i'm going to start calling you Trudy.

[solentstars]

i'm going to start calling you Trudy.

and i will call you olive:smt060

[Frank's cousin]

Yeah, can you imagine.

 

Stanley: what you drinking frank?

 

.

 

Thats very noble of you... sod ya J2O though

[Saint Bones]

Well i'm glad that things 'seem' to be picking up although I still believe admin is NOT a good thing.

 

We have thats lovely -10 point start to the season. Unsure in previous seasons how many games it has taken us to reach this mark.

 

Secondly - will people who boycotted return to a lower calibre football ?

 

Stanley - I'm glad you are a happy lad but this thread was only ever going to cause grief. Don't hold your head too high... as far as I recall you are the only 'fan' that I have even known that wanted Saints to lose.

 

New beginings - Lets hope you are right and this hails a new and prosperous era for Saints.

[Frank's cousin]

While I was always against Adminstration due to the risks involved and that all choices would be removed from us, I do concede that it has had the desired affect in driving all our past woes and the individuals that caused them out of positions of power at the club - And that includes all 3 Amigos..

 

Dont think anyone would disagree in that the effect is now positive, all some have said is that this was one hell of a tightrope to walk with the outcome was never guarranteed - some of us just felt that without being able to guarrantee anything beyond Lowe, Wilde and Crouch all other shareholders all losing their investment, -10 points and creditors losing a percentageof what was owed, its was folly to prefer admin and potentially no future just to oust boardmembers - and I would still say the same

 

If pinnacle complete which is pretty lilely , like everyone else its a great chance for us to rise again.

[SFKA South Woodford]

Thought it was common knowledge that Andrew Cowan was the mastermind behind St Marys ? Check your facts pal.

 

Oh, by the way, dont forget we only ended up there cos your hero moved the goalposts over Stoneham and wanted a bloody hotel, cinema and god knows what else chucked into the mix !!

 

Just how many other Stadiums have mixed developments next to them?

 

Dorchester got a new stadium as they allowed a new tesco's to be built next door, Coventry have a hotel and conference centre at the Ricoh, West Ham have a hotel in one of their stands. The list can go on. They are all ways to cover the cost of building a new ground, or generating income from it. You can't beat Lowe with a stick for attempting to do the same.

 

I doubt very much that Stoneham residents would have been opposed to the site being used for any of those other things, rather than a football ground.

[Frank's cousin]

Just how many other Stadiums have mixed developments next to them?

 

Dorchester got a new stadium as they allowed a new tesco's to be built next door, Coventry have a hotel and conference centre at the Ricoh, West Ham have a hotel in one of their stands. The list can go on. They are all ways to cover the cost of building a new ground, or generating income from it. You can't beat Lowe with a stick for attempting to do the same.

 

I doubt very much that Stoneham residents would have been opposed to the site being used for any of those other things, rather than a football ground.

 

Think the problem as has been said before was not necessarily the additions, but the additions in that location given Eastleigh BC not wanting tehir town centre to end up a ghost town with OOT shoping and facilities ... like in most other towns... From Saints perspective the potential for additioanl revenue meant it was sound, from teh planners and Eastleigh council it was flawed - thes esort of debates hang over ALL developments in ALL councils - its called part of the planning process - all normal and all expected as all sides try and find compromise - Only with it being Saints, we are not allowed normal - only someone must be to blame for all teh wrongs in the world and who better than the arch villian himself - seriously at any other club in the country the fans would have blamed Eastliegh council for fecking us over - because the additional facilities would have been good revenue generators for teh club.

[Foxstone]

Dont think anyone would disagree in that the effect is now positive, all some have said is that this was one hell of a tightrope to walk with the outcome was never guarranteed - some of us just felt that without being able to guarrantee anything beyond Lowe, Wilde and Crouch all other shareholders all losing their investment, -10 points and creditors losing a percentageof what was owed, its was folly to prefer admin and potentially no future just to oust boardmembers - and I would still say the same

 

If pinnacle complete which is pretty lilely , like everyone else its a great chance for us to rise again.

 

 

No dispute Frank, I wanted Administration like a hole in the head but it would seem that the secondary benefits that the Pinnacle team are delivering are exceptionally timely and appealing.

[Wes Tender]

Just how many other Stadiums have mixed developments next to them?

 

Dorchester got a new stadium as they allowed a new tesco's to be built next door, Coventry have a hotel and conference centre at the Ricoh, West Ham have a hotel in one of their stands. The list can go on. They are all ways to cover the cost of building a new ground, or generating income from it. You can't beat Lowe with a stick for attempting to do the same.

 

I doubt very much that Stoneham residents would have been opposed to the site being used for any of those other things, rather than a football ground.

 

It doesn't matter how many times one tries to correct misinformation, there is still somebody who is not cognizant of the facts and tries to perpetuate myths.

 

Things that would have been allowed by Eastleigh Borough council:

 

4* Hotel, Night Club, Planet Hollywood / Hard Rock Cafe type restaurant, Bowling alley, Ice Rink, large Sports shop. These would also help attract people to the sports stadium complex that was also planned for the site.

 

Things that would never be allowed for reasons that they would kill off the town centre:

 

Multiplex cinema (already had one planned for the Swan Centre)

Retail development the size of the Chandlers Ford Asda just one mile away from the town.

 

There. Is that clear enough?

[Frank's cousin]

It doesn't matter how many times one tries to correct misinformation, there is still somebody who is not cognizant of the facts and tries to perpetuate myths.

 

Things that would have been allowed by Eastleigh Borough council:

 

4* Hotel, Night Club, Planet Hollywood / Hard Rock Cafe type restaurant, Bowling alley, Ice Rink, large Sports shop. These would also help attract people to the sports stadium complex that was also planned for the site.

 

Things that would never be allowed for reasons that they would kill off the town centre:

 

Multiplex cinema (already had one planned for the Swan Centre)

Retail development the size of the Chandlers Ford Asda just one mile away from the town.

 

There. Is that clear enough?

 

Thing is its the retail units that have the greatest revenue potential...

[Wes Tender]

Thing is its the retail units that have the greatest revenue potential...

 

That rather depends what you are selling in them. There are plenty of out of town shopping places already in the area and the Town Council behaved entirely reasonably in turning down a shopping development which would have been in direct competition to those in the town. It was hardly surprising, was it? Lowe tried to call their bluff, thinking that they would cave in if he threatened to withdraw. They held firm and he did not have humility to have taken the loss of face, so it collapsed.

 

Arguably, had we had those revenue streams I mentioned, we would have probably survived financially and even in the administration situation, we could have argued that the holding company was also the hotel, restaurants, bowling, ice rink, etc and not just the club.

[alpine_saint]

While I was always against Adminstration due to the risks involved and that all choices would be removed from us, I do concede that it has had the desired affect in driving all our past woes and the individuals that caused them out of positions of power at the club - And that includes all 3 Amigos..

 

Blimey. Someone on here with a bit of humility who can admit he was too made up in his mind.

 

Never thought I'd see the day...

 

Nice one Foxstone..

[alpine_saint]

Dont think anyone would disagree in that the effect is now positive, all some have said is that this was one hell of a tightrope to walk with the outcome was never guarranteed - some of us just felt that without being able to guarrantee anything beyond Lowe, Wilde and Crouch all other shareholders all losing their investment, -10 points and creditors losing a percentageof what was owed, its was folly to prefer admin and potentially no future just to oust boardmembers - and I would still say the same

 

If pinnacle complete which is pretty lilely , like everyone else its a great chance for us to rise again.

 

"I was wrong" would have saved a lot of server space...

[Frank's cousin]

 

Arguably, had we had those revenue streams I mentioned, we would have probably survived financially and even in the administration situation, we could have argued that the holding company was also the hotel, restaurants, bowling, ice rink, etc and not just the club.

 

Like the radio station and teh Insurance services? ;-) Only kidding - The thing developmenst though Wes is that its all subjective. In most towns the centres are dead because of these out of town developments and we all criticise our council planners for letting it happen, and fair play to Eastleigh BC for standing firm. But, To be fair the Club were not asking for things not already granted in other towns and cities - such as Bolton etc - I dont know maybe we did not dish out enough brown envelopes? ;-) (JOKE by the way to all you legal bods out there) Just seems a bit much to add this one to teh list of woes to grace Lowes tenure because if you read Full Time at teh Dell, its clear teh club wanted to move for over 30 years becore we eventually did and nothing came of it. Finally the prem cash and the financial scrutiny provided by a PLC status did allow us to loan the cash and it happened - yet its never seen as anything positive if Lowe is included in the equation, just seems rather churlish and unfair - there is enough to criticise lowe for without pinning the problems associated with planning on him to?

[Frank's cousin]

"I was wrong" would have saved a lot of server space...

 

Alpine - I had been 'WRONG' I would say so, I just dont see how anyone can be wrong on believeing that administration is in any way good even if it brings down a boardroom and thats your desire - its is simply to graet a risk and I wont change my mind on that.

 

By luck rather than judgement w emight just might come out of this for the better and have a future - we dont know what yet, but here's hoping, but to assume this back when you were advocating administration to oust Lowe is frankly ridiculous. If you could have 100% guarranteed the outcome of a new owner with potentially a few mil a season to help us along the way, i would have taken that like everybody else, but you could not - you advocated a risk which for most was too great. We could have and could still go out of business and if we do I wont be gloating about it to score cheap points.

[John Smith]

Why do you find it so hard to accept the alternative view. I think it is more than reasonable to question the resolution of any supporter who simply withdraws their support based on a personality. At least the plastics admit they only want to watch Premier League rather than manufacture excuses and dress themselves as being ever so slightly smug and superior to the rest of us. For the record John Smith its never tough supporting my club even if I have to dig myself out of a 6 foot snow drift to attend a game like the Sheff Utd when I just made it to join the crowd and balance the numbers on the two benches. To add to your pain you can stuff your sympathy back where it belongs.

 

After constantly being used by 19C in his arguments and counter arguments I find it comical that he once said that we could quite happily talk over the fence as neighbours and get along quite well. I even defended the 'man' and his 'opinion' (his right to have one) in the early days, and now he just uses me as a straw man to create tension.

 

FWIW, I can't be bothered with such trolling, but I am a little hurt that someone that I used to debate with, is just a sanctimonious troll and 'uses' my comments whenever he wishes in order to make his own point valid.

 

And so, I have decided, from now on, I will refer to 19C as 'Mr Straw Man'.

[Lets B Avenue]

Alpine - We could have and could still go out of business and if we do I wont be gloating about it to score cheap points.

 

Bet you would.

[Frank's cousin]

Bet you would.

 

Maybe only with Alpine and could I be blamed? ;-)

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Frank's cousin

Dont think anyone would disagree in that the effect is now positive, all some have said is that this was one hell of a tightrope to walk with the outcome was never guarranteed - some of us just felt that without being able to guarrantee anything beyond Lowe, Wilde and Crouch all other shareholders all losing their investment, -10 points and creditors losing a percentageof what was owed, its was folly to prefer admin and potentially no future just to oust boardmembers - and I would still say the same

 

If pinnacle complete which is pretty lilely , like everyone else its a great chance for us to rise again.

"I was wrong" would have saved a lot of server space...

 

What a total idiot. You may well be happy to play Russian roulette but the result does not justify the action in any way. We all are very happy with the possibility of where we are now but that does not justify any such sort of moronic action.