A big thankyou to those who boycotted

[um pahars]

Why do you find it so hard to accept the alternative view.

 

I find it very difficult with you as I have no idea which one of your many personalities are on the board and so we are swamped with opinions;)

 

Were all your previous monikers banned, or do you just pop under new ones for a giggle:D????

[graymalkin33]

Thankyou for making the sacrifice and killing off the Lowe regime. You are the reason that Lowe and Wilde are no longer at the club. You are the reason that we don't have to endure life in League 1 with Lowe and Wilde still at the club. You are the reason that Saints are now on the verge of single ownership, and that the PLC is dead. You are the reason that Saints now have a future and that the feelgood factor is returning.

 

Thankyou for making it happen, you saved SFC.

 

lmao absolute s***e

[Mole]

lmao absolute s***e

 

I'm not offended. It's human nature for those that have been so wrong for so long to be in denial. Also there is a sheep mentality by many that post here. In a few years time the flock will change it's tune.

[Gingeletiss]

Don't get me wrong - I believe he made some terrible decisions that contributed to our relegation from the Prem, but then he was ousted and replaced by a set of clowns who made an even bigger ****-up - wage bill 80% of costs FFS!. He then returned and compounded matters with this Dutch master plan when we should have kept Pearson (with a wage reduction). Despite this, I kept my ticket and kept watching the dross because if I had done otherwise I would have to add myself to the list of idiots who sank this club still further into the ****. I have no problem with people who stopped going because they could not justify paying to watch crap. I do have a problem with people who could afford to go but refused maintain their financial support to our ailing club just because of who the current Chairman was.

 

What a sanctimonious post. Who are you, that presumes to tell others what they should be doing in any given situation, and how they should spend their money. You start off by saying what the problem was with the club, and then condemn those, who chose not to support that regime. I could say more, but then again, people like you, are so up there own Ars*s, that they truely believe, their's is the only opinion that counts.

[Gingeletiss]

OK - we've veered off the point slightly. Do you think that the people (however many) who thought this way were confident that they done the right thing when we were (and maybe still are) teetering on the brink - i.e. before last Friday's announcement? If the worst happens, would they all be gloating about how they had acted in the long term interests of the club?

 

See pal......you have added 2+2 and come up with 5. You're assuming that all those who chose not to go because of Lowe, also wanted administration...........on that, you are way of the mark. I suspect those that activly wanted administration, you could count on one hand, and that out of a fan base of 60,000 +.

 

IMHO of course

[Gingeletiss]

Clearly not that common. Who was AC's boss? The buck stops at the top and so do the plaudits.

 

Then simply, why do you defend him so much, if the above statement holds true???

[alpine_saint]

Thankyou for making the sacrifice and killing off the Lowe regime. You are the reason that Lowe and Wilde are no longer at the club. You are the reason that we don't have to endure life in League 1 with Lowe and Wilde still at the club. You are the reason that Saints are now on the verge of single ownership, and that the PLC is dead. You are the reason that Saints now have a future and that the feelgood factor is returning.

 

Thankyou for making it happen, you saved SFC.

 

I see where you are coming from.

 

I am caught between holding my breath until the ink has dried on the documents and the new owner's plans come out, and rubbing it in the noses of certain individuals on here who sought to extend Lowe's grip on the club with the fear of administration.

 

For now I choose to do the former. The individuals involved know who they are already..

Edited 2 June, 2009 by alpine_saint
Complete **** up

[Wes Tender]

Clearly not that common. Who was AC's boss? The buck stops at the top and so do the plaudits.

 

Common knowledge to everybody else. I accept that somethings take a little longer to penetrate your cranium, so will make allowances. Yes, the stadium was built under Lowe's chairmanship, but as Beatlesaint correctly states, only when Lowe had f*cked up Stoneham and had to be saved like a drowning man clutching at straws by Southampton City Council. Had they not intervened to save his bacon, we would still be at the Dell. Mind you, he had anticipated that scenario and under the circumstances we now find ourselves, he would have been quite happy about it. Happily, instead of the Dell and Lowe, we have St. Marys and hopefully people who have decent investment to put into the club, instead of taking money out.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

rubbing it in the noses of certain individuals on here who sought to extend Lowe's grip on the club with the fear of administration.

 

For now I choose to do the latter. The individuals involved know who they are already..

 

Again, those fears, up until last week were almost realised, yes, you can say the club wouldn't have vanished because of the alledged contingent in Salz et al but you posted many times about the time its taken etc... which demonstrates the difficulties with admin let alone for those who in good faith who traded with the company and have taken a financial hit, some of which may not recover.

There was a risk that the club could have been broken up and that was a real risk, noones nose needs rubbing in anything imo we, as fans, emotionally, have suffered enough, lets move on

[alpine_saint]

Again, those fears, up until last week were almost realised, yes, you can say the club wouldn't have vanished because of the alledged contingent in Salz et al but you posted many times about the time its taken etc... which demonstrates the difficulties with admin let alone for those who in good faith who traded with the company and have taken a financial hit, some of which may not recover.

There was a risk that the club could have been broken up and that was a real risk, noones nose needs rubbing in anything imo we, as fans, emotionally, have suffered enough, lets move on

 

Fair enough.

 

I have edited my original post as I meant "former" and not "latter" anyway.

 

I just really hope that all those people who claimed to hate Lowe but nevertheless gushed about his plans, his bright ideas, understood/defended what he was trying to do and slagged off the likes of Crouch (who did more to bridge this club through this period than the likes of Askham, Wilde and Lowe), now shut the f**k up.

Edited 2 June, 2009 by alpine_saint

[kpturner]

What a sanctamonious post.....I could say more, but then again, people like you, are so up there own Ars*s, that they truely believe, their's is the only opinion that counts.

 

See pal......you have added 2+2 and come up with 5. You're assuming that all those who chose not to go because of Lowe, also wanted administration...........on that, you are way of the mark. I suspect those that activly wanted administration, you could count on one hand, and that out of a fan base of 60,000 +.

 

IMHO of course

Well thank you for those considered observations. On reflection, and taken out of context with the entire thread, the comment to which you allude does indeed sound sanctamonious. This being so, I would only request that you take a step back and review all the relevant posts and put my comment(s) into perspective. You may well still disagree which is fine, but you will also see that I have not made the assumption to which you allude in your second post at all - in fact completely the opposite. You say " I suspect those that activly wanted administration, you could count on one hand, and that out of a fan base of 60,000 +." and I agree with you 100%! So hopefully my head is not quite as far up my arse as you think.

[Frank's cousin]

 

I am caught between holding my breath until the ink has dried on the documents and the new owner's plans come out, and rubbing it in the noses of certain individuals on here who sought to extend Lowe's grip on the club with the fear of administration.

 

For now I choose to do the former. The individuals involved know who they are already..

 

Laughable - was there any reason for this post APART from trying to start another round of squabbling? You will be hard pushed tyo find anyone who actively wanted Lowe to stay - there were just some of us that felt and still do that the risks associated with Admin were too great to use that as a tool which you advocated. The difference Alpine is that no one on the side of being against admin is anything other than totally happy with the outcome (subject to the ink being dry) - If you wish to believe that somehow with your overwhelming foresight, experience and deep rooted wisdom you knew we would have this outcome, fine , up to you, but no one is buying it... administration when you owe as much as we did in L1 is diasterous and should be avoided at all costs - IF we scrape out of it with new owners and a better future, we will have been very lucky indeed and we should not forget that.

[saintjay77]

What a sanctimonious post. Who are you, that presumes to tell others what they should be doing in any given situation, and how they should spend their money. You start off by saying what the problem was with the club, and then condemn those, who chose not to support that regime. I could say more, but then again, people like you, are so up there own Ars*s, that they truely believe, their's is the only opinion that counts.

 

To be fair Ginge he was giving his opinion on what he thinks and based it on more than 1 man at the top. He blames lowe and the others for the total mess we are in and rightly IMO suggests the lack of fans support compounded our problems further.

 

Those that stayed away cause its all Lowes fault just made the situation worse at a time when we needed a decent board and support.

 

However, as you have pointed out elsewhere there were many different reasons for fans staying away and probably a smallish portion of those were in the All Lowes Fault camp.

 

We all tend to argue about minoritys on here when we would probably do better to focus on what the majority want which is a better club to support.

[alpine_saint]

Laughable - was there any reason for this post APART from trying to start another round of squabbling? You will be hard pushed tyo find anyone who actively wanted Lowe to stay - there were just some of us that felt and still do that the risks associated with Admin were too great to use that as a tool which you advocated. The difference Alpine is that no one on the side of being against admin is anything other than totally happy with the outcome (subject to the ink being dry) - If you wish to believe that somehow with your overwhelming foresight' date=' experience and deep rooted wisdom you knew we would have this outcome, fine , up to you, but no one is buying it... administration when you owe as much as we did in L1 is diasterous and should be avoided at all costs - IF we scrape out of it with new owners and a better future, we will have been very lucky indeed and we should not forget that.[/quote']

 

Quit your foul whining Frank. Your luvvie days are over.

[saintjay77]

I'm not offended. It's human nature for those that have been so wrong for so long to be in denial. Also there is a sheep mentality by many that post here. In a few years time the flock will change it's tune.

 

Seeing as you are such a good sheppard and all you know is true and fact please tell me oh special one.

 

what do we do if the perspective new owner turns out to be no better or actually turns out to be worse than any that have preceeded him?

[Mole]

Seeing as you are such a good sheppard and all you know is true and fact please tell me oh special one.

 

what do we do if the perspective new owner turns out to be no better or actually turns out to be worse than any that have preceeded him?

 

It's highly unlikely that our new owner could possibly be worse than Lowe or Wilde. For starters it will be his club and short of liquidating assests he won't be in a position to milk the club. Quite the opposite i would imagine as the money can only go one way until we reach the promised land. Until such time breaking even will imo be the objective.

[Frank's cousin]

Quit your foul whining Frank. Your luvvie days are over.

 

Foul, whining - you really are a laugh a minute - you should be in the circus mate where the other clowns go to earn a crust, but your wind up attempts are quite amusing in a way.

 

Does it hurt you to know that there is no one crying about lowes departure, because those so called 'luvvies' only really existed in your imagination as they suited your wind up plans? The only problem being you had neither the wit nor inteligence to spot it...Saints fans will be happy and welcoming of new owners... I susupect you on the other hand will struggle to find any threads to post on as the old debates dwindle - until you find some note of bitterness and sour scorn for teh new owners if they kept Wotte for example ;-)

 

Alpine Saint? Peter the goat herder from Heidi....

[Frank's cousin]

It's highly unlikely that our new owner could possibly be worse than Lowe, Wilde, or Crouch. For starters it will be his club and short of liquidating assests he won't be in a position to milk the club. Quite the opposite i would imagine as the money can only go one way until we reach the promised land. Until such time breaking even will imo be the objective.

 

I would only change one thing in your post ;-)

[alpine_saint]

Foul, whining - you really are a laugh a minute - you should be in the circus mate where the other clowns go to earn a crust, but your wind up attempts are quite amusing in a way.

 

Does it hurt you to know that there is no one crying about lowes departure, because those so called 'luvvies' only really existed in your imagination as they suited your wind up plans? The only problem being you had neither the wit nor inteligence to spot it...Saints fans will be happy and welcoming of new owners... I susupect you on the other hand will struggle to find any threads to post on as the old debates dwindle - until you find some note of bitterness and sour scorn for teh new owners if they kept Wotte for example ;-)

 

Alpine Saint? Peter the goat herder from Heidi....

 

Man, it must hurt more than I imagined...

[solentstars]

Laughable - was there any reason for this post APART from trying to start another round of squabbling? You will be hard pushed tyo find anyone who actively wanted Lowe to stay - there were just some of us that felt and still do that the risks associated with Admin were too great to use that as a tool which you advocated. The difference Alpine is that no one on the side of being against admin is anything other than totally happy with the outcome (subject to the ink being dry) - If you wish to believe that somehow with your overwhelming foresight' date=' experience and deep rooted wisdom you knew we would have this outcome, fine , up to you, but no one is buying it... administration when you owe as much as we did in L1 is diasterous and should be avoided at all costs - IF we scrape out of it with new owners and a better future, we will have been very lucky indeed and we should not forget that.[/quote']good post ,i see the usual divisivee elements are twisting the posts to suit their warped agenda again,

i have got no time for those small group of fans who wants their own team to lose so we could go into admin.

lets hope we can start a new era at this club and start the climb out of league 1.

[OldNick]

Fair enough.

 

I have edited my original post as I meant "former" and not "latter" anyway.

 

I just really hope that all those people who claimed to hate Lowe but nevertheless gushed about his plans, his bright ideas, understood/defended what he was trying to do and slagged off the likes of Crouch (who did more to bridge this club through this period than the likes of Askham, Wilde and Lowe), now shut the f**k up.

Living in Austria has made you a bit of a Fascist Alps...'you will obey my commands and shut the f### up' not following orders are you?

LC your leader did some good things for us and does care but he isnt whiter than white in our fall.

I want us to have a completely new start under fresh people with none of the past there to divide.

[alpine_saint]

good post ,i see the usual divisivee elements are twisting the posts to suit their warped agenda again,

i have got no time for those small group of fans who wants their own team to lose so we could go into admin.

lets hope we can start a new era at this club and start the climb out of league 1.

 

Naiive to the extreme. After the amount of abuse that has been dished out on here over the last few years, you are being ridiculous if you expect feuds to disappear overnight.

 

Only a couple of weeks ago when the end appeared nigh, there were threads starting on here attacking those who wanted admin and smugly asking "Ooo, do you still feel the same now ???"

 

Oh, of course, the "COYR" and the "Get behind the team, FFS" happy-clappies can say whatever they want because they are the ueber-fans, cant they ?

[Frank's cousin]

Man, it must hurt more than I imagined...

 

Yes it does Alpine, my sides are spliting as I really cant take any more laughing at you ;-)

[Frank's cousin]

 

Oh, of course, the "COYR" and the "Get behind the team, FFS" happy-clappies can say whatever they want because they are the ueber-fans, cant they ?

 

When you put like that - YES supporters who call for all supporters to get behind and support the team called fans - shock you would never have thought it ;-)

[saintjay77]

It's highly unlikely that our new owner could possibly be worse than Lowe or Wilde. For starters it will be his club and short of liquidating assests he won't be in a position to milk the club. Quite the opposite i would imagine as the money can only go one way until we reach the promised land. Until such time breaking even will imo be the objective.

 

To be fair we are not the only club to have a single owner who screwed things up. Leeds did fantastically didnt they?

 

I have no problem in hoping things will be so much better but the people who are stepping in to save us have waited till we are almost non existent before they step in. Probably saved themselves a few quid but it could be because they dont actually have the money that is being banded about on here. Wilde started a whole new beggining for our club based on lots of investment that was just waiting for Lowe to be gone. What if the new owner is just another Mickey Mouse with hardly a pot to piiss in?

 

We could be stuck in league 1 fighting relegation and yet again NO INVESTMENT!

 

IMO this is where we are at right now. I dont even trust any manefesto that may appear from the new peeps at the top due to the previous clowns making the last one up. If promised lands are around the corner I prefer to wait till we get there before I jump about like a pillock.

[Mole]

Only a couple of weeks ago when the end appeared nigh, there were threads starting on here attacking those who wanted admin and smugly asking "Ooo, do you still feel the same now ???"

 

You make a good point Alpine. Now that the boot is on the other foot they don't like it. Bless.

[alpine_saint]

Living in Austria has made you a bit of a Fascist Alps...'you will obey my commands and shut the f### up' not following orders are you?

LC your leader did some good things for us and does care but he isnt whiter than white in our fall.

I want us to have a completely new start under fresh people with none of the past there to divide.

 

What a bizarre post.

 

I expressed a hope they would shut up. Read my post again, its there in black-and-white. Are you just reverting to national stereotypes as a lack of anything else to attack me on ?

 

Who gives a shiny shiiite about LC's foibles ? He did more to save this club at its desperate hour than any of the board or the players and more than many fans. The only blot on his copy book imo (considering how short a period he held the reins) is he persisted with Dodd and Gorman too long. I also thought shipping out Skacel and Rasiak was a bad decision at the time, but as the financial situation has since been revelealed, he is above criticism for that.

 

As for the fresh start, I agree, but would not moan too much if LC were invited to fulfill some role. He no longer is an owner, so would have limited scope to cause trouble or put his foot in his mouth.

[alpine_saint]

When you put like that - YES supporters who call for all supporters to get behind and support the team called fans - shock you would never have thought it ;-)

 

Yep, theres your problem all in one.

 

You think your support of the club is superior to that of others.

 

You really are sad. I bet you are really p*ssed off the club has been rescued. You cant whine for "balance" (your special kind of course) anymore...

[Frank's cousin]

Yep, theres your problem all in one.

 

You think your support of the club is superior to that of others.

 

You really are sad. I bet you are really p*ssed off the club has been rescued. You cant whine for "balance" (your special kind of course) anymore...

 

Keep digging ;-)

[alpine_saint]

Keep digging ;-)

 

Nope, just laughing my tits off at the egg sliding down your face...

[OldNick]

As for the fresh start, I agree, but would not moan too much if LC were invited to fulfill some role. He no longer is an owner, so would have limited scope to cause trouble or put his foot in his mouth.

Perhaps but only on the margins.He does deserve more credit than the others but he was part of the big problem although I do think he did it in the best intentions

[Mole]

Perhaps but only on the margins.He does deserve more credit than the others but he was part of the big problem although I do think he did it in the best intentions

 

Nick he has shown that he cares and is prepared to back that up out of his own pocket. Lowe and Wilde never did that. So you cannot bracket Leon along with those rotters.

[saintjay77]

Is this thread worth still being here now? Its just going round in circles over the same old shiite from the past.

 

Not even decent debate now its just slinging insults at each other.

[Mole]

Is this thread worth still being here now? Its just going round in circles over the same old shiite from the past.

 

Not even decent debate now its just slinging insults at each other.

 

As Alpine points out it was OK for you and your chums to post a thread criticising those that boycotted, but now that the boycott has had such a positive effect you don't want to talk about it.

 

How bizzare.

[Frank's cousin]

Nope, just laughing my tits off at the egg sliding down your face...

 

Did you get bullied at School? you seem to have a few 'issues'. What you have always failed to recognise is that there are no 'winners' and losers' in debates about opinion as much as it seems to appeal to your ego to think you may indeed have finally said 'I told you so' - why the need for that is your **** really that small?

 

You obviously enjoy posting , therefore you obviously enjoy debate? If so, why do persist with labels and tags that are a) inappropiate, B0totally made up in your head and c) highlight ignorance?

 

Life is a wonderful things as you can if you have an open mind learn new things everyday - I welcome this, and when it comes to saints welcome insights and thoughts from those who have different opinions - BUT in order to learn something you need to understand WHY those opinions are held and formed - otherwise its the blind leading the blind - The problem with many who have differing opinions to me on here (not all by teh way) is that most never take the time to actrually share why they have a particular opinion, and when you dig deeper ts because its often based on the same rumour, gossip and ignoranc ethey have haerd on here in the first place, rather than seeking appropriate evidence - and then before you know it their hatred and obsseiveness is so engrained they believe everything as fact if it supports their case.

 

You can have as much man love with CRouch as you like , no problem for me, but when ever someone asks why you like him so or questions certain of his actions or traits your defence is attack and out comes your standard 'luvvie' tag.... and you wonder why no one listens to you or takes you seriously. If you want credibilty and to educate us 'poor misguided few' - enter the debate as an adult and search out some facts... you would be surprized how you might then influence opinion. Sitting on your arse in the Alps fantasizing about Leon wont.

[OldNick]

Nick he has shown that he cares and is prepared to back that up out of his own pocket. Lowe and Wilde never did that. So you cannot bracket Leon along with those rotters.

If he hadnt have backed MW originally he would not had to. He fell for it and we are now where we are.

Anyway lets try and forget the wounds of then and get back to supporting the club

[alpine_saint]

Did you get bullied at School? you seem to have a few 'issues'. What you have always failed to recognise is that there are no 'winners' and losers' in debates about opinion as much as it seems to appeal to your ego to think you may indeed have finally said 'I told you so' - why the need for that is your **** really that small?

 

You obviously enjoy posting , therefore you obviously enjoy debate? If so, why do persist with labels and tags that are a) inappropiate, B0totally made up in your head and c) highlight ignorance?

 

Life is a wonderful things as you can if you have an open mind learn new things everyday - I welcome this, and when it comes to saints welcome insights and thoughts from those who have different opinions - BUT in order to learn something you need to understand WHY those opinions are held and formed - otherwise its the blind leading the blind - The problem with many who have differing opinions to me on here (not all by teh way) is that most never take the time to actrually share why they have a particular opinion, and when you dig deeper ts because its often based on the same rumour, gossip and ignoranc ethey have haerd on here in the first place, rather than seeking appropriate evidence - and then before you know it their hatred and obsseiveness is so engrained they believe everything as fact if it supports their case.

 

You can have as much man love with CRouch as you like , no problem for me, but when ever someone asks why you like him so or questions certain of his actions or traits your defence is attack and out comes your standard 'luvvie' tag.... and you wonder why no one listens to you or takes you seriously. If you want credibilty and to educate us 'poor misguided few' - enter the debate as an adult and search out some facts... you would be surprized how you might then influence opinion. Sitting on your arse in the Alps fantasizing about Leon wont.

 

If I had posted that, I'd be embarassed at its arrogance, patronising, and sheer childishness of the insults.

[alpine_saint]

If he hadnt have backed MW originally he would not had to. He fell for it and we are now where we are.

Anyway lets try and forget the wounds of then and get back to supporting the club

 

Wilde conned loads of people, including the likes of Corbett, McMenemy, Trant, Hone, Hoos, The Satsuma and a large section of the fan base, so I find that criticism of Crouch to be completely irrelevant.

[OldNick]

Wilde conned loads of people, including the likes of Corbett, McMenemy, Trant, Hone, Hoos, The Satsuma and a large section of the fan base, so I find that criticism of Crouch to be completely irrelevant.

well it was a bloody big misjudgement. It cost him millions so he was punished.

[alpine_saint]

well it was a bloody big misjudgement. It cost him millions so he was punished.

 

One misjudgment compared to about 50 by He Who Must Not Be Named...

 

Compare their relative business successes.

[Gingeletiss]

 

 

I am not saying they had no right to hold that view - you are putting words into my mouth. All I am saying is that IMHO withholding financial support from the club was short-sighted, moreover doing so and now claiming that everything that has happened since (administration, 10 point deduction et al) was part of their strategic thinking in doing so. I think it was just sheer bloody mindedness for the most part. I admit that that end result may actually be the best thing to happen to SFC for some time, but I do not accept people claiming that this outcome (if it does work out) was what they envisaged would happen. We came far too close to oblivion for anyone to have been confident they did the right thing. Claiming so now is just doing so with the benefit of hindsight - premature gloating perhaps?

 

 

Well thank you for those considered observations. On reflection, and taken out of context with the entire thread, the comment to which you allude does indeed sound sanctamonious. This being so, I would only request that you take a step back and review all the relevant posts and put my comment(s) into perspective. You may well still disagree which is fine, but you will also see that I have not made the assumption to which you allude in your second post at all - in fact completely the opposite. You say " I suspect those that activly wanted administration, you could count on one hand, and that out of a fan base of 60,000 +." and I agree with you 100%! So hopefully my head is not quite as far up my arse as you think.

 

 

 

I apoligise, for any offense caused or seen to be caused, by my comments. I did read all your posts, and those responses to UP. I still think that your post (top one of the two in the quote), infers, that there were quite a few who wanted us to fail. This forum is a small representation of the fanbase, and only a handfull held that opinion. By your comments, you infer, that all Lowe haters wanted administration, and simply isn't true.

[Frank's cousin]

As Alpine points out it was OK for you and your chums to post a thread criticising those that boycotted, but now that the boycott has had such a positive effect you don't want to talk about it.

 

How bizzare.

 

Its actually quite simple really:

 

Some fans criticised the falling attendence from those few boycotting, AND those simply fed up with CCC football and **** poor results for whom it was a convenient excuse (why the need tfor an excuse as its everyones choice) as this DID have a big impact on revenue and lead to administration. That is a FACT that can not be denied.

 

There were some fans (a small minority) that believed Admin was good if it meant Lowe was out and could not come back. That is certainly also a FACT as admin rendered his shareholding useless.

 

Other fans suggested that those wishing admin on teh club were wrong because of the potential risks of going under are VERY REAL and until last Friday VERY VERY REAL - and could stil,happen if Mr X decides maybe its not relaly for him before everything is signed. That is also a FACT as no one in business would every advocate administration as a method for boardroom clearout.

 

Now it is true to say that those fans above criticised those seekeing admin as way of ousting Lowe as not understanding the true potential consequences of admininstration which they appeared not to - and to some extent still dont - as they like to point out, we would have ben dead already with no rescue had Mr Crouch not 'contributed' to the wages in April....

 

NOw we have a situation whereby, with luck we may have a new owner who will breath fresh air into the club and we can rebuild. Some fans such as Alpine an you Stan feel that you are vindicated for your admin over Lowe stance - as hindsight provides you with hard evidence subject to everything ebing signed sealed and delivered - its a FACT its turned out good and would not ahve been possible without Admin - FACT, cant argue with that.

 

BUT this is really down to luck - that someone was prepared to step in and rescue us with 30 mil of debt. Admin is STILL no way to effect a boardroom coup, ITS still no way we should ever advocate the club achieving change because we could just as easily have gone under and that FACT has not changed.

 

The best analogy is that you see a diamond on the motorway - you stop the crappy car you are travlling in on teh hardshoulder - its spouting fumes anyway and on its last legs and you think the diamond must be worth enough to buy a new car at least - but teh motor way is busy - trucks, lorries flying past at 80 miles and hour - do you risk it? sure one time in 10 maybe even 2 or 3 times you would get lucky, but the risk of being splattered by a juugernaut and teh car ending on the scrap heap is still greater, when you may have managed to get to a garage had you not stopped.....

[saintjay77]

As Alpine points out it was OK for you and your chums to post a thread criticising those that boycotted, but now that the boycott has had such a positive effect you don't want to talk about it.

 

How bizzare.

 

I made comments based on the original thread and just voiced my reservations as realistically it could all still turn to rat shiit.

 

I asked if this thread is still worth being here as it now is here just to have digs at each other and moan about past differences.

 

If thats why you posted the thread in the 1st place Stanley then maybe it should still be here but then if thats the case it shows this thread is nothing more than a wind up. So again there is no need to keep this thread is there?

[Gingeletiss]

To be fair Ginge he was giving his opinion on what he thinks and based it on more than 1 man at the top. He blames lowe and the others for the total mess we are in and rightly IMO suggests the lack of fans support compounded our problems further.

 

Those that stayed away cause its all Lowes fault just made the situation worse at a time when we needed a decent board and support.

 

However, as you have pointed out elsewhere there were many different reasons for fans staying away and probably a smallish portion of those were in the All Lowes Fault camp.

 

We all tend to argue about minoritys on here when we would probably do better to focus on what the majority want which is a better club to support.

 

You are one of the more reasoned posters on here IMO.

 

My issue is when people post their opinions, as being he absoulute fact. I saw the little side debate with UP and KP..the fact remains however, that if you post something designed to create a reaction/debate/argument, then expect a reaction/debate/argument.

 

IMHO of course;-)

[up and away]

Originally Posted by alpine_saint

Only a couple of weeks ago when the end appeared nigh, there were threads starting on here attacking those who wanted admin and smugly asking "Ooo, do you still feel the same now ???"

You make a good point Alpine. Now that the boot is on the other foot they don't like it. Bless.

 

What a pair of absolute idiots. If we eventually (fingers crossed) end up in the position everyone seems to believe we are heading, no rational person will be unhappy, even if the investment is very modest.

 

What most were not prepared to do was play Russian roulette with something they valued so highly. One day an ex Premier club will go to the wall and we put ourselves so close we could almost taste it. Knowing some of the details of the other bid it would hardly surprise me if they had more drop outs when money was actually required.

 

Once we put ourselves into the position of administration there was no way back and no way of telling if we would find a way out. People have survived falls from great heights without the aid of a parachute, but you have no way of telling until it is all over and no sane person would view that as a viable option.

 

There are some people who are never happy unless they can continually whinge, just the nature of the beast. I fully expect both of you to be on full flow before the season has finished for one reason or another.

[Frank's cousin]

If I had posted that, I'd be embarassed at its arrogance, patronising, and sheer childishness of the insults.

 

I love you flip flop personality changes - one minute mr angry, spouting insults rather than replying to posts with reasoned opinion, yet the moment someone has a go back, you turn on the water works and hide behind the 'I am so mature, and well balanced, be off with you young rascals'

 

Sheer comedy delight mate - I actually think you might be a good laugh deep down, opinionated , stubborn bastard for sure but so am I, you just need to fight you corner with more facts than the one line dismissives and stop being so easily wound up. Chill have a beer or two and feel pleased we have a new dawn on the cards...or if you want to continue scoring a few points fine with me...

[alpine_saint]

 

The best analogy is that you see a diamond on the motorway - you stop the crappy car you are travlling in on teh hardshoulder - its spouting fumes anyway and on its last legs and you think the diamond must be worth enough to buy a new car at least - but teh motor way is busy - trucks, lorries flying past at 80 miles and hour - do you risk it? sure one time in 10 maybe even 2 or 3 times you would get lucky, but the risk of being splattered by a juugernaut and teh car ending on the scrap heap is still greater, when you may have managed to get to a garage had you not stopped.....

 

And there is where your little analogy falls flat on its face....

 

We are not going to test the probabilities and do this 10 times. We need it to work once, and it appears to be doing so.

 

Yes, we've had a few weeks of worry and stress, but the club that emerges at the end of it will probably have been transformed out of all recognition from the steaming mess left by your Messiah.

 

In which case, it will have been worth the temporary distress it caused.

 

F**king deal with it and be grateful.

[miserableoldgit]

That is not an answer. Are you saying that those who went to games shouldn`t have? Were they misguided? What is your opinion? Sorry, you don`t have opinions - you spout facts. So were the people that went to games wrong to do so?

You don`t seem to have answered this question Stanley. "I respect their decision" is not an answer.

[OldNick]

One misjudgment compared to about 50 by He Who Must Not Be Named...

 

Compare their relative business successes.

doesnt make him blameless though Alps and perhaps was the biggest after relegation.

[kpturner]

I apoligise, for any offense caused or seen to be caused, by my comments. I did read all your posts, and those responses to UP. I still think that your post (top one of the two in the quote), infers, that there were quite a few who wanted us to fail. This forum is a small representation of the fanbase, and only a handfull held that opinion. By your comments, you infer, that all Lowe haters wanted administration, and simply isn't true.

I accept the inference may be there, so I would just like to clarify that the inference was not intentional. Edited 2 June, 2009 by kpturner