The9 Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Whereas naturally I'm sorry for some of the creditors who lost money when the club went into administration, I'm entirely happy that those members of the old board and those that they brought in via the reverse takeover have lost their shares. I'm also having quite a gloat at those like you, who have suffered the loss of their god Lowe and who are trying to place the blame for his demise on the shoulders of anybody they can lash out at, when the majority of the blame rests on Lowe's own shoulders. Once again, you state that those 5000 stayaways caused our demise, never once admitting that the reasons mostly had something to do with Lowe, either because of the relegation, the stupid experiment, playing the kids, charging Premiership prices in the second division, loaning out the best strikers, etc. I had hoped that unity amongst fans might be restored now that the old regimes are gone, but people like you prove that they get their jollies from trolling around these forums deliberately being antagonistic. You criticise Stanley for exactly the same things that you are yourself guilty of, therefore you are a hypocrite. Well, if you wish to continue crossing swords with me, I'll continue relishing the prospect of showing up you up as being far less intelligent than you like to think you are. Why don't you all just stick each other on ignore and save the rest of us having to wade through it..? Saves a few hundred of us having to do the same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 I had hoped that unity amongst fans might be restored now that the old regimes are gone, but people like you prove that they get their jollies from trolling around these forums deliberately being antagonistic. . To be fair Wes Stanley started this provocative thread to get a reaction and he did... I have no problem with that, Its opinion and we all have one, we disagree and we try and argue oour POV... it really only becomes 'divisive' as we all like to say - becauise that word is so emotive in a fan base and it serves those with an agenda to believe its to be so. The reality IMHO is that teh fans were not divided over Lowe or even CRouch as soem of us were accused of ... we had a huge majority that simply wanted to watch football and see tehi club win... we than have a coupe of tousand who were vocal against Lowe and then a few hundred if that who like the rest of us on a web forum tend to be the most vociferous with the biggest bees in our 'bonnets' (not actually syaing you wear a bonnet - but what you do behind closed doors..;-) ) Seriously its opinion spouted to get reaction and in most case stry and engage in debate, but w always geta few that see the fun in wind up or take it all too seriously - guilty as charged on ocasion myself... I enter the debate with teh likes of Alpine and Stanley because that is what these web based sites are for... If I have no interest in a thread I tend to avoid... but it wont stop me posting what I believe or feel.. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Whereas naturally I'm sorry for some of the creditors who lost money when the club went into administration, I'm entirely happy that those members of the old board and those that they brought in via the reverse takeover have lost their shares. I'm also having quite a gloat at those like you, who have suffered the loss of their god Lowe and who are trying to place the blame for his demise on the shoulders of anybody they can lash out at, when the majority of the blame rests on Lowe's own shoulders. Once again, you state that those 5000 stayaways caused our demise, never once admitting that the reasons mostly had something to do with Lowe, either because of the relegation, the stupid experiment, playing the kids, charging Premiership prices in the second division, loaning out the best strikers, etc. I had hoped that unity amongst fans might be restored now that the old regimes are gone, but people like you prove that they get their jollies from trolling around these forums deliberately being antagonistic. You criticise Stanley for exactly the same things that you are yourself guilty of, therefore you are a hypocrite. Well, if you wish to continue crossing swords with me, I'll continue relishing the prospect of showing up you up as being far less intelligent than you like to think you are. the 5000 stayaways cost the club some time by starving it of revenue. MW decided things had got so bad under the board at the time HE decided to bring back RL. His mistake of ridding us of NP was the ultimate error added to the fact he kept with Jan too long. I think in the main the fanbase understood we had to get the club back in line financially but to come back and get rid of the man who the fans were behind was massive in the long run. RL will have a long time to rue that decision.Once it was done a lot of fans shrugged their shoulders and got on and supporte the young team, it was only when we couldnt win at home did the patience wear and the writing was on the wall. I hope the 5000 will return but I doubt they will until we get Pl football at L1 pricing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2009 You assisted but without massive financial backing we were alwyas going to struggle no matter who was in the hot seat. Will you be buying a season ticket now Lowe has gone? I know the real answer. I will be buying a membership. I will go to a couple of pre-season games. I will go to the opening home fixture and i will go whenever i can. Working 4 on 4 off shifts i won't go every week, but i will go when i can. Is that ok for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Why don't you all just stick each other on ignore and save the rest of us having to wade through it..? Saves a few hundred of us having to do the same... As Frank says, the thread was deliberately antagonistic and has therefore provoked reaction. So either you welcome the debate yourself, no matter who is posting, or you should avoid reading all the stuff on a thread that you have indicated you do not enjoy reading. A bit ironic, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 the 5000 stayaways cost the club some time by starving it of revenue. MW decided things had got so bad under the board at the time HE decided to bring back RL. His mistake of ridding us of NP was the ultimate error added to the fact he kept with Jan too long. I think in the main the fanbase understood we had to get the club back in line financially but to come back and get rid of the man who the fans were behind was massive in the long run. RL will have a long time to rue that decision.Once it was done a lot of fans shrugged their shoulders and got on and supporte the young team, it was only when we couldnt win at home did the patience wear and the writing was on the wall. I hope the 5000 will return but I doubt they will until we get Pl football at L1 pricing. Thanks for putting forward good reasons why attendance numbers were down, Nick. But according to some, our demise was the fault of those who ceased attending because of those reasons, not the fault of the people responsible for those policies. All I know is that had we still had Lowe in charge this season, there is no way that I would be going to any games this season, whereas I'm going to be back next season with two STs, buying merchandise and generally giving as much support as I can to the new people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2009 The reality IMHO is that teh fans were not divided over Lowe I agree. A division implies a 50/50 or a 60/40 split. Saints fans were united in wanting Lowe out with the exception of a few internet trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Thanks for putting forward good reasons why attendance numbers were down, Nick. But according to some, our demise was the fault of those who ceased attending because of those reasons, not the fault of the people responsible for those policies. All I know is that had we still had Lowe in charge this season, there is no way that I would be going to any games this season, whereas I'm going to be back next season with two STs, buying merchandise and generally giving as much support as I can to the new people. i wasn't trying to give reasons why not. I myself was going to buy tickets anyway, if RL had bought the club I may have had second thoughts but I know deep down i wouldnt turn my back on the club on that issue. There is a freshness at present but the longer it goes on where we dont know who is taking us on some of the excitement may be lost. i doubt we will get early bird prices this season and and pricing may become important.Something that shouldnt be an issue due to be saved but Im sure many will not renew unless prices are cut dramatically.I do hope this does not deter a buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 I agree. A division implies a 50/50 or a 60/40 split. Saints fans were united in wanting Lowe out with the exception of a few internet trolls. Now now Stanley that is not something that you can state categorically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 As Frank says, the thread was deliberately antagonistic and has therefore provoked reaction. So either you welcome the debate yourself, no matter who is posting, or you should avoid reading all the stuff on a thread that you have indicated you do not enjoy reading. A bit ironic, isn't it? No, not ironic at all. That's two of those today... It's all for the greater good. Oh damn, there's the irony. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Thankyou for making the sacrifice and killing off the Lowe regime. You are the reason that Lowe and Wilde are no longer at the club. You are the reason that we don't have to endure life in League 1 with Lowe and Wilde still at the club. You are the reason that Saints are now on the verge of single ownership, and that the PLC is dead. You are the reason that Saints now have a future and that the feelgood factor is returning. Thankyou for making it happen, you saved SFC. Thanks Stanley, I feel vindicated. Somebody had to take a stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 so stanley saved the club:rolleyes: this thread gets more silly the longer it gos on.:axe: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyR Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Whereas naturally I'm sorry for some of the creditors who lost money when the club went into administration, I'm entirely happy that those members of the old board and those that they brought in via the reverse takeover have lost their shares. I'm also having quite a gloat at those like you, who have suffered the loss of their god Lowe and who are trying to place the blame for his demise on the shoulders of anybody they can lash out at, when the majority of the blame rests on Lowe's own shoulders. Once again, you state that those 5000 stayaways caused our demise, never once admitting that the reasons mostly had something to do with Lowe, either because of the relegation, the stupid experiment, playing the kids, charging Premiership prices in the second division, loaning out the best strikers, etc. I had hoped that unity amongst fans might be restored now that the old regimes are gone, but people like you prove that they get their jollies from trolling around these forums deliberately being antagonistic. You criticise Stanley for exactly the same things that you are yourself guilty of, therefore you are a hypocrite. Well, if you wish to continue crossing swords with me, I'll continue relishing the prospect of showing up you up as being far less intelligent than you like to think you are. A very good post Wes. NC is as bad as Stanley, he just happens to sit as far on the other side of the fence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2009 so stanley saved the club:rolleyes: this thread gets more silly the longer it gos on.:axe: All those who boycotted saved the club. We prevented Lowe and Wilde from keeping us out of administration. Something i'm very proud of because admin has been what i've wanted for over a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 All those who boycotted saved the club. So you are saying that if the 5000 had turned up we would have gone bankrupt or into administration.I dont understand the arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 I will be buying a membership. I will go to a couple of pre-season games. I will go to the opening home fixture and i will go whenever i can. Working 4 on 4 off shifts i won't go every week, but i will go when i can. Is that ok for you? That's more or less what I'll be doing. I can't get to evening games so a season isn't viable for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 I agree. A division implies a 50/50 or a 60/40 split. Saints fans were united in wanting Lowe out with the exception of a few internet trolls. I suspect stanley that you may one day need to do a Maths refresher if you believe those figures to be true... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 I will be buying a membership. I will go to a couple of pre-season games. I will go to the opening home fixture and i will go whenever i can. Working 4 on 4 off shifts i won't go every week, but i will go when i can. Is that ok for you? Last season your reason was Lowe, this upcoming season your reason is shift patterns, wasn't that the real reason last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Good to see that now we (potentially) have new owners - we the fans stand united once more... ohhh errr..... perhaps not then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Thanks Stanley, I feel vindicated. Somebody had to take a stand. I take it you will be attanding again after your long anti Burley/Lowe stance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 so stanley saved the club this thread gets more silly the longer it gos on.:axe: Yep that's why we are in league one with -10 points to start, thanks Stanley and your likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Good to see that now we (potentially) have new owners - we the fans stand united once more... ohhh errr..... perhaps not then... Like I said Mickey - the vast majority of fans have never been anything other than united - its only a few of us emotionally scarred, soft in teh head obssive types on here that were verbally kicking each other - and why not, its quite entertyaining really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Thanks Stanley, I feel vindicated. Somebody had to take a stand.Pat yourself on the back. You are a very important person who has greatly influenced the fate of SFC with marvelous foresight and action......or maybe you too are deluded? Which one do you reckon? Maybe all the people who were clever enough to predict this marvelous outcome (which is still not set in stone) should also write a letter of apology to the staff of SFC who had a very dark 24 hours (or more) worrying if they had a job or could pay their mortgage this month. Then again, supreme strategists like yourself have to make these painful decisions knowing full well that the pain of a few lesser beings is a fair price to pay for the greater good of your master plan. On the other hand, maybe you just don't know your arse from your elbow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 All those who boycotted saved the club. We prevented Lowe and Wilde from keeping us out of administration. Something i'm very proud of because admin has been what i've wanted for over a year. Administration was always going to happen no matter who was in charge unless someone came in with a huge wedge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Whereas naturally I'm sorry for some of the creditors who lost money when the club went into administration, I'm entirely happy that those members of the old board and those that they brought in via the reverse takeover have lost their shares. I'm also having quite a gloat at those like you, who have suffered the loss of their god Lowe and who are trying to place the blame for his demise on the shoulders of anybody they can lash out at, when the majority of the blame rests on Lowe's own shoulders. Once again, you state that those 5000 stayaways caused our demise, never once admitting that the reasons mostly had something to do with Lowe, either because of the relegation, the stupid experiment, playing the kids, charging Premiership prices in the second division, loaning out the best strikers, etc. I had hoped that unity amongst fans might be restored now that the old regimes are gone, but people like you prove that they get their jollies from trolling around these forums deliberately being antagonistic. You criticise Stanley for exactly the same things that you are yourself guilty of, therefore you are a hypocrite. Well, if you wish to continue crossing swords with me, I'll continue relishing the prospect of showing up you up as being far less intelligent than you like to think you are. Wes you'll never get it and nor will others like you. It was never about Lowe it was about supporting the club in dire straits and nailing your colours to the mast to the last. 1 year ago Lowe was all we had and I would have supported him, Crouch or Mike Osman if I thought we had a chance of surviving. I think only Weston Saint, Nick H, Frank and SteveG understood that where I exchanged pms and a few others who didn't necessarily agree with me but understood me. You are not complaining about the pricing strategy or product quality of your local supermarket, to me supporting this club on the pitch is more like supporting your kids. Its non-negotiatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 You are not complaining about the pricing strategy or product quality of your local supermarket, to me supporting this club on the pitch is more like supporting your kids. Its non-negotiatable. That is how i see it. That is perhaps why i get so pent up about our club, I xcan't see it being anything different than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 the 5000 stayaways cost the club some time by starving it of revenue. MW decided things had got so bad under the board at the time HE decided to bring back RL. His mistake of ridding us of NP was the ultimate error added to the fact he kept with Jan too long. I think in the main the fanbase understood we had to get the club back in line financially but to come back and get rid of the man who the fans were behind was massive in the long run. RL will have a long time to rue that decision.Once it was done a lot of fans shrugged their shoulders and got on and supporte the young team, it was only when we couldnt win at home did the patience wear and the writing was on the wall. I hope the 5000 will return but I doubt they will until we get Pl football at L1 pricing. Wouldn't disagree with any of that Nick although at the time I was supportive of Pearson's removal because of the manner in which we stayed up. Hardly inspirational and more to do with luck and at best workmanlike. I do recognise though that others would see things differently but I'm not so sure that a lot of that was aftertiming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 the 5000 stayaways cost the club some time by starving it of revenue. MW decided things had got so bad under the board at the time HE decided to bring back RL. His mistake of ridding us of NP was the ultimate error added to the fact he kept with Jan too long. I think in the main the fanbase understood we had to get the club back in line financially but to come back and get rid of the man who the fans were behind was massive in the long run. RL will have a long time to rue that decision.Once it was done a lot of fans shrugged their shoulders and got on and supporte the young team, it was only when we couldnt win at home did the patience wear and the writing was on the wall. I hope the 5000 will return but I doubt they will until we get Pl football at L1 pricing. All in your opinion of course!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 All those who boycotted saved the club. We prevented Lowe and Wilde from keeping us out of administration. Something i'm very proud of because admin has been what i've wanted for over a year. We are not actually saved yet! Perhaps you should leave your gloating until we are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 That is how i see it. That is perhaps why i get so pent up about our club, I xcan't see it being anything different than that. Exactly. How many regularly post on this forum, with say and average of 1 post a day? 100, 200, 500, 1000? I reckon it's about 500 or about 3% of the average home crowd from last season. My guess is that the other 97% feel the same way as we do and the missing 5,000 + the 11,000 premier leaguers are more interested in value for money/entertainment and may as well apply for a ST at the Emirates. Fair enough but don't knock those who supported the club regardless of the colour of the chairman's tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Like I said Mickey - the vast majority of fans have never been anything other than united - its only a few of us emotionally scarred' date=' soft in teh head obssive types on here that were verbally kicking each other - and why not, its quite entertyaining really[/quote'] Yeah, it wiles away the hours Frank - but to be honest, some of the '1upmanship' and 'look at me I'm marvellous' gets more than a little tedious to be quite honest. Personally I just can't wait for the season to start again so that perhaps, just perhaps, some will turn their attention to the 'important business' as opposed to starting petty 'I told you so' threads here. So for now - I'll sit and watch as the kids ***** and just throw in the odd snippet here and there when I can be assed. Bring on the new season - the sooner, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 All in your opinion of course!!!!!!!!! I dont know who yo will stalk while im away for a few days Ginge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 i wasn't trying to give reasons why not. I myself was going to buy tickets anyway, if RL had bought the club I may have had second thoughts but I know deep down i wouldnt turn my back on the club on that issue. There is a freshness at present but the longer it goes on where we dont know who is taking us on some of the excitement may be lost. i doubt we will get early bird prices this season and and pricing may become important.Something that shouldnt be an issue due to be saved but Im sure many will not renew unless prices are cut dramatically.I do hope this does not deter a buyer. See nick...this is where I can't fathom you. Every other post you jump from one side to the other, hence why I 'stalk' you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 We are miles from being 'saved' yet. The club hasn't been bought. We don't even know who is trying to buy it. I am cautiously optimistic but even if/when it goes through, too many clubs have seen their dreams torn apart by dodgy owners for me to get too excited just yet.... We can only hope :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Administration was always going to happen no matter who was in charge unless someone came in with a huge wedge. I agree with you, but the reduced attendances accelerated the process. I believe that without the boycott we'd be facing the prospect of beginning next season in L1 with Lowe and Wilde clinging to power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 See nick...this is where I can't fathom you. Every other post you jump from one side to the other, hence why I 'stalk' you. I was always stuck between a rock and hardplace. RL was in my eyes not satan but not god either and so I looked at it differently form people who thought nothing would be good unless he was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Pat yourself on the back. You are a very important person who has greatly influenced the fate of SFC with marvelous foresight and action......or maybe you too are deluded? Which one do you reckon? Maybe all the people who were clever enough to predict this marvelous outcome (which is still not set in stone) should also write a letter of apology to the staff of SFC who had a very dark 24 hours (or more) worrying if they had a job or could pay their mortgage this month. Then again, supreme strategists like yourself have to make these painful decisions knowing full well that the pain of a few lesser beings is a fair price to pay for the greater good of your master plan. On the other hand, maybe you just don't know your arse from your elbow. LOL your making him sound more like Lowe than a fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 I agree with you, but the reduced attendances accelerated the process. I believe that without the boycott we'd be facing the prospect of beginning next season in L1 with Lowe and Wilde clinging to power. I dont dissagree either but IMO had Wilde not ousted Lowe in the begining we would have got back to the prem by now or at least be holding our own financially in the CCC. Long term and for the sake of the fan base we needed the clean sweep that is happening now but Wildes bull ride in without a plan is the cause of so many of our troubles now. Had Lowe stayed in power throughout I wouldnt have been happy about it but I would be supporting either a prem club or a CCC club. All the choping and changing just compounded our problems and leave us on the brink of not having a club to support. We are laying our hope on 1 bid coming good and we have no idea if the new man in charge will be better or worse than anyone we have previously had. Most of us supported Wilde cause he wasnt Lowe and that didnt work out as we all hoped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Pat yourself on the back. You are a very important person who has greatly influenced the fate of SFC with marvelous foresight and action......or maybe you too are deluded? Which one do you reckon? Maybe all the people who were clever enough to predict this marvelous outcome (which is still not set in stone) should also write a letter of apology to the staff of SFC who had a very dark 24 hours (or more) worrying if they had a job or could pay their mortgage this month. Then again, supreme strategists like yourself have to make these painful decisions knowing full well that the pain of a few lesser beings is a fair price to pay for the greater good of your master plan. On the other hand, maybe you just don't know your arse from your elbow. Funniest thing I've read in ages. Maybe it was also them who told Crouch about the Administration Points deductions in 1996 to allow him to advise Askham and Lowe on the right structure for the club to stop us having points deducted too..? Damn I wish I had that kind of 20/20 foresight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 I dont dissagree either but IMO had Wilde not ousted Lowe in the begining we would have got back to the prem by now or at least be holding our own financially in the CCC. Bwuh ?!!? Well, we'd have Rasiak up front cos he was already signed by Lowe on loan to buy, and a soon-to-be-criticised Burley in charge, but what makes you think Lowe 2006 didn't already have the cost-cutting plans of '08/09 lined up for 06/07? It was already obvious that with the parachute payments running out our income was going to take a huge hit, and almost all the contracts were Lowe-negotiated since relegation thanks to the post-Redknapp Burley cull of '06, and hopefully would have been relatively prudent for our income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 FFS what a stupid thread. We don't know anything about the potential new owner or his level of investment. What we (or some of us) do know is that history has proven we need to wait some time before judging how great life at SFC will become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2009 We are not actually saved yet! Perhaps you should leave your gloating until we are... But when we are saved i will have been proved right in everything i've been saying for over a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 But when we are saved i will have been proved right in everything i've been saying for over a year. Possibly - but can you wait 19 days? I am sure that we would all appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Bwuh ?!!? Well, we'd have Rasiak up front cos he was already signed by Lowe on loan to buy, and a soon-to-be-criticised Burley in charge, but what makes you think Lowe 2006 didn't already have the cost-cutting plans of '08/09 lined up for 06/07? It was already obvious that with the parachute payments running out our income was going to take a huge hit, and almost all the contracts were Lowe-negotiated since relegation thanks to the post-Redknapp Burley cull of '06, and hopefully would have been relatively prudent for our income. Thats what I am saying though. IF he had stayed for what ever reason I think he would have made the cuts needed after we failed to get promoted. There would have been a bigger push from our acadamy but there would also have been a better ballance with our better players still being here. Some would have left for sure but that would have been to keep the wages within budget. 2 or 3 seasons on we would still be financially stable and maybe in a position to push for promotion on merit rather than on what we have spent. I dont think it would have been a pretty way back but it would have been a forward motion rather than dropping like a stone. I know its just my opinion and we can never really tell but I cant see how the changing of the board every 5 mins and mixed messages from top to bottom did anything to suggest life after Lowe has been any better than what would have been if he was left too it. If this takeover completes and the mystery man is our saviour then all of this will fade away quite nicly and all the troubles will have been worth it. But thats some farily rose tinted glasses to be looking out of to get to that kind of end situation. Reality might not be quite so nice. Bloody hope it is though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Wes you'll never get it and nor will others like you. It was never about Lowe it was about supporting the club in dire straits and nailing your colours to the mast to the last. 1 year ago Lowe was all we had and I would have supported him, Crouch or Mike Osman if I thought we had a chance of surviving. I think only Weston Saint, Nick H, Frank and SteveG understood that where I exchanged pms and a few others who didn't necessarily agree with me but understood me. You are not complaining about the pricing strategy or product quality of your local supermarket, to me supporting this club on the pitch is more like supporting your kids. Its non-negotiatable. I don't get it and in my opinion you don't get it either. So why don't we just draw a line under the whole thing and move on? With luck, everybody that has been associated with our demise in the past is now history, so what's the point in bickering about it now? What's done is done, we are where we are. But I for one am optimistic for our future. Without knowing it for a fact, I feel confident that our new owner will have a better understanding of what makes a successful company, simple principles of listening to your customers, not abusing them or taking their support for granted. I trust to my judgement that if Matt Le Tissier has embraced this new guy (metaphorically), he is probably an OK guy. As you are fond of quoting others when you believe that those quotes can express your thoughts better than you could, here is something that sums it up for me and hope that it is what our new owner might be thinking:- "I take up my task in buoyancy and hope. I feel sure that our cause will not be suffered to fail among men. I feel entitled at this juncture, at this time, to claim the aid of all and to say, "Come then, let us go forward together with our united strength." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Possibly - but can you wait 19 days? I am sure that we would all appreciate it. We're on the verge of starting a new exciting chapter in the clubs history and in 19 days time we'll all be over the moon. In about 5 years time we'll all be looking back at admin and saying it was the best thing that could've happened. Perhaps you're right and now wasn't the time to be truthful on here because many are still in denial and smarting from being wrong for such a long time. It takes time for those in the wrong to see they were wrong and even longer for them to admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 But when we are saved i will have been proved right in everything i've been saying for over a year. Absolute comedy genius - ever thought about running for election, you'd be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Absolute comedy genius - ever thought about running for election, you'd be perfect. He hasn't made any allowances for that............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 We're on the verge of starting a new exciting chapter in the clubs history and in 19 days time we'll all be over the moon. In about 5 years time we'll all be looking back at admin and saying it was the best thing that could've happened. Perhaps you're right and now wasn't the time to be truthful on here because many are still in denial and smarting from being wrong for such a long time. It takes time for those in the wrong to see they were wrong and even longer for them to admit it. I actually hope your right. cause if this new guy turns out to be Rupert Lowe Mark II then him having complete control over the club will not sit well with you I take it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Another stupid post by Stanley Wake up and smell the friggin coffee stanley. It wasnt the stay away fans that ousted lowe and co, maybe you shuld start banking your benefits with Barclays. Im sure they will be pleased to do your banking for you. **** just realised I need to restore you to my ignore list **** ! Of course it was the stayaway fans that got rid of lowe and wilde. Do your sums and yes no one really wanted administation but it has happened and we have to deal with it, sometimes you have to take a step back to go forward .I for one cant wait for the new season to start with a new manager and owners , with no more politics and petty ******** that has tarnished this great club in the past . COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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