A big thankyou to those who boycotted

[The9]

Does anyone else just find it harder to support their club when there are relentless morons like Stanley about? Yes, we love the club, but being associated with people like that really depresses me. What a tedious little *****. It's an internet forum for discussing football, yet a handful of retards like him are obsessed with getting noticed. Well done, you're a small internet forum celebrity.

 

Is he ? I forgot to notice.

[The9]

You are truly a skilled wind-up merchant. Had me in stitches - thanks for the belly laugh :-) Do you sit back and keep a count of the number of bites you get afterwards? Surely nobody read this and thought you were being serious.

 

He obviously does, anyone with a legitimate belief in their argument would be trying to defend their position.

[Andyb1]

Thankyou for making the sacrifice and killing off the Lowe regime. You are the reason that Lowe and Wilde are no longer at the club. You are the reason that we don't have to endure life in League 1 with Lowe and Wilde still at the club. You are the reason that Saints are now on the verge of single ownership, and that the PLC is dead. You are the reason that Saints now have a future and that the feelgood factor is returning.

 

Thankyou for making it happen, you saved SFC.

 

You are offcially a C O C K

[broncoboy]

would it not be more appropriate to thank JP and the players for losing every week thereby putting off the more casual fans. I'd of thought there were far more casual fans deciding to not turn up than boycotters.

 

 

It was a brilliant strategy on the part of the players and managers.

"Look lads keep it up and we will soon drive away lots of fans and provoke Barclays into taking us into adminstration.

You can rely on Rupert to keep his hands in his pockets.

He will be gone

And we will be in League 1 or 2 before you know it"

[JohnnyFartPants]

What a dinlo! There wasnt a large stay away anti Lowe group, just a bunch of people that stopped turning up to watch rubbish or couldnt afford to watch rubbish in this huge financial downturn, but how typical of the slug to come out and slap backs now that their is news that the club may now continue. There wasnt a great deal of noise coming from him stating that they caused it all when we looked doomed (not that they had a bearing on events either way). Stupid plank.

[saint1977]

Whoever raised the issue of the protests does have a point though even if I think the drop in attendance last season was due more to the appalling effort (or lack of) shown on the pitch. I think a few were staying away due to Lowe/Wilde but it's hard to gauge whether that was 40, 400 or 4,000. The point about the full house for Man U is valid. The big gates for the reduced price tickets also tells me the standard pricing was badly wrong - Leeds were getting 15-19,000, their lowest gates for years when they reached the CCC Play Off final because of ticket cost and Leeds fans are always cited on here as being as loyal as fans come.

 

The protests did get noticed though and any attempt to deny that is just politics I'm afraid. Proof that protests when they are concerted and organised work are shown by Branfoot's demise. Askham found it almost impossible to get a sponsor for 93/4, hence Dimplex coming in at the last possible minute as a saviour. This, added to the televised protests and record low gate for the Ipswich game, was the catalyst for him to finally pull the trigger on Branfoot.

[Mole]

FWIW, I think Stanley may have a point. I believe the stay aways were considerable. Perhaps it was just a case of staying at home. But there is usually a catalyst for such changes in behaviour. At least we'll get to see, in any case. Which certainly wasn't going to be the case only a short time ago.

 

Thankyou St Landrew, i kind of expected the dummy spitting from the usual suspects, but it'll be no surprise to you to find out i'm completely unfazed by it. I know i'm 100% bang on the mark with what i posted. I consistently justified my boycott to bring about a resolution to the Lowe/Wilde issue and now that what i said will happen is coming to pass those who have been shown to be wrong don't like it. It's a common theme for me being a minority and then being proved right in the long run. Margaret would descrribe me as "Casandra" i suppose.

[corky morris]

There were a number of things that eventually killed off Lowe & his cronies. The protests, the stay away fans, a million managers etc etc IMHO, but the thing that still surprises me is how I forget things about how much of a horrible man Lowe was & is.

Whilst on holiday I read Jeremy Wilsons book on cult heroes & was reminded of Mr Lowe sacking David Coles 2 days before Christmas. Webster then came in having Burleys & Woodwards approval. Basically Niemi worshipped him & all of our keepers sang his praise from the highest hights. He had had the chance to leave Saints & decided against it. His reward from Lowe - sack him 2 days before Christmas! And that is from the guy who told David Moyes he could not have his own coaching team in place!

Whatever the reasons he has finally gone - all I can say is that I am thankful he has!

[solentstars]

so lowe and wilde knowing stanley a very importand man in his own mind was boycotting st marys filled them with dread.

simple things please simple minds ,i wonder when this attention seeker will start forgetting about what has happened in the past and let his love/ hate relationship with lowe go.

[Mole]

A question for everyone.

 

Would you prefer life in league 1 under Lowe and Wilde with no points deduction to life in League 1 with a new wealthy owner with a 10 point deduction?

 

The 10 point deduction will ultimatelty be the price we've had to pay to have finally broken the shackles of the Lowe/Wilde axis. Personally i consider that to have been a price worth paying for giving Saints a future.

[Mole]

so lowe and wilde knowing stanley a very importand man in his own mind was boycotting st marys filled them with dread.

 

I expect they were filled with dread about the cumulative effect the boycotters were having. For all Lowes blunders it was us that put the final nail in his coffin.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Thankyou for making the sacrifice and killing off the Lowe regime. You are the reason that Lowe and Wilde are no longer at the club. You are the reason that we don't have to endure life in League 1 with Lowe and Wilde still at the club. You are the reason that Saints are now on the verge of single ownership, and that the PLC is dead. You are the reason that Saints now have a future and that the feelgood factor is returning.

 

Thankyou for making it happen, you saved SFC.

 

And hopefully for many years to come this club will thrive on the Lowe legacy. Lets all get back to supporting our club at the stadium that Rupert built. A club ready for the modern era which can hardly have been true at the Dell.

 

Those who think they feel the feelgood factor returning are partly to blame for its demise in the first place and regrettably i doubt the infighting will end just yet as some will not be happy until the club is back in the Premiership longer than you can say WBA, Birmingham, Wolves, Hull and Reading. A long way to go so don't be to smug Stanley as your support is about as predictable as our weather. I predict it will take us 5 years to have a chance of consolidation in the Premiership and it will be at least that long before the chancers and boycotters return with or without MLT who like Shearer will have his work cut out whatever role performs.

[Micky]

Is it just me that gets really irratated by the phrase "wake up and smell the coffee".

 

It seems to only be used by complete morons in society.

 

In which case, he was eminently well qualified to use said statement - whats your beef...? !

[kpturner]

A question for everyone.

 

Would you prefer life in league 1 under Lowe and Wilde with no points deduction to life in League 1 with a new wealthy owner with a 10 point deduction?

 

The 10 point deduction will ultimatelty be the price we've had to pay to have finally broken the shackles of the Lowe/Wilde axis. Personally i consider that to have been a price worth paying for giving Saints a future.

You are not seriously trying to suggest those people who decided not to attend did so because they envisaged their actions would culminate in the position we are currently in are you? Laughable in the extreme. It is amazing how clever people like to portray themselves given the benefit of hindight. Would you have posted this if the very real possibility of SFC disappearing from the face of the earth had come to fruition? Edited 1 June, 2009 by kpturner

[Mole]

I predict it will take us 5 years to have a chance of consolidation in the Premiership.

 

It's nice that you're are even talking about the club returning to such lofty heights. Had the Lowe/Wilde axis still been in power there would have been no light at the end of the tunnel.

[Mole]

You are not seriously trying to suggest that people who decided not to attend matches last season did so because they envisaged their actions would culminate in the position we are currently in are you?

 

I'm not merely suggesting it, i'm stating it as a fact. I have been wanting the club to go into administration since Lowe returned. I make no apolgy for this because i had the foresight to see it needed to happen.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Was this post really necessary ' date=' there are no winners or losers within the fans and this just stirs up unnecessary sh*t[/quote']

 

Agreed, proves only one thing that unity is the last thing on the minds of some fans and I sincerely appluad your approach Mike as oppose to the smugness of others like Wes Tender who seem happy to latch onto Stanley's idiotic ramblings whilst getting a dig into the passing of the 'bad people'. Not particularly keen on Crouch but I do recognise and appreciate his recent contribution as according to Wes a 'bad person now gone', allegedly.

[Mole]

Agreed, proves only one thing that unity is the last thing on the minds of some fans...

 

I have absolutely no desire for unity with you.

[lumpofshipperley]

We were very close to going out of business and there's no guarantees that the new backer will be any better. Things might get worse before they get better.

 

There's still a long way to go.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Whilst having no direct control over the clubs finances being a saints fan, it gives me no pleasure seeing people out of pocket.That is just why administration and the wishing for us to go into it was immoral IMHO

 

Correct and nothing will ever change that fact. Whatever happens in the future the events in the Spring of 2009 will always be there to remind us how far this club fell and some wounds for whatever reason and regardless of future prosperity may never heal.

 

Notwithstanding those who lost a lot of money in comparison to their own businesses we cannot ignore the fact that around 5,000 deserted the club last season based on the previous season. Regardless of their reasons they withdrew their support and had they not done so we would probably still be in the CC or worst case in L1 without a 10 point penalty. I hope none of that 5,000 sit near me and the rest of a loyal band of ST's holders.

[Mole]

We were very close to going out of business and there's no guarantees that the new backer will be any better. Things might get worse before they get better.

 

There's still a long way to go.

 

The fat lady might not be singing, but she's certainly warming her vocal chords.

[Mole]

I hope none of that 5,000 [that boycotted because of Lowe] sit near me.

 

I expect the feeling would be mutual.

[kpturner]

I'm not merely suggesting it, i'm stating it as a fact. I have been wanting the club to go into administration since Lowe returned. I make no apolgy for this because i had the foresight to see it needed to happen.

I note with interest you picked out the part of my post that you felt you could answer, and skipped the trickier subsequent question. I think I will move to another thread because I am clearly engaging with a deluded fantasist. I have an inkling that you are using this forum as a means to inflate your feeling of self-importance.....so - have fun - bye :smt039

[miserableoldgit]

You are not seriously trying to suggest those people who decided not to attend did so because they envisaged their actions would culminate in the position we are currently in are you? Laughable in the extreme. It is amazing how clever people like to portray themselves given the benefit of hindight. Would you have posted this if the very real possibility of SFC disappearing from the face of the earth had come to fruition?

Stanley doesn`t suggest anything. He states things as fact. He is ALWAYS right! The strange thing is that both Stanley and 19C are ALWAYS right and yet they disagree with each other.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I have absolutely no desire for unity with you.

 

I expect your right - no doubt the only spiritual union you enjoy is with yourself/

[70's Mike]

A question for everyone.

 

Would you prefer life in league 1 under Lowe and Wilde with no points deduction to life in League 1 with a new wealthy owner with a 10 point deduction?

 

The 10 point deduction will ultimatelty be the price we've had to pay to have finally broken the shackles of the Lowe/Wilde axis. Personally i consider that to have been a price worth paying for giving Saints a future.

 

 

Agreed but i do not agree that administration came about because of Lowe Boycotters, just lack of money due to poor performances.

 

Lets just hope we have , in your words, " a new wealthy owner"

[Nineteen Canteen]

I expect the feeling would be mutual.

 

You expect? Trying going to a game and you'll find out Stanley instead of sitting at home tabbing between the forum and god knows what else. How do you type with your fingers permanently in your ears? You don't strike me as clever but yes you are a ****.

 

Keep googling those user names.

[70's Mike]

Agreed, proves only one thing that unity is the last thing on the minds of some fans and I sincerely appluad your approach Mike as oppose to the smugness of others like Wes Tender who seem happy to latch onto Stanley's idiotic ramblings whilst getting a dig into the passing of the 'bad people'. Not particularly keen on Crouch but I do recognise and appreciate his recent contribution as according to Wes a 'bad person now gone', allegedly.

 

Now i am worried if i typed something you agree with, i wanted Lowe gone with a vengence i just do not think it happened because of the " boycotters due to Lowe" but believe it was due tp poor performances on the pitch which made people stay away.

 

Then again those poor performances ultimately happenned because of Lowe so perhaps Stanley is correct indirectly

[solentstars]

I note with interest you picked out the part of my post that you felt you could answer, and skipped the trickier subsequent question. I think I will move to another thread because I am clearly engaging with a deluded fantasist. I have an inkling that you are using this forum as a means to inflate your feeling of self-importance.....so - have fun - bye :smt039

i think stanley might be related to jackson(lifelogsaint)with his strange ideas.:cool:2 deluded fantasist on this site .. Edited 1 June, 2009 by solentstars

[Mole]

It is amazing how clever people like to portray themselves given the benefit of hindight. Would you have posted this if the very real possibility of SFC disappearing from the face of the earth had come to fruition?

 

We were never going to disapear from the face of the earth - that is my view, which makes your question irrelevent.

[miserableoldgit]

I expect your right - no doubt the only spiritual union you enjoy is with yourself/

Not sure that it`s spiritual.

[Mole]

You expect? Trying going to a game and you'll find out Stanley instead of sitting at home tabbing between the forum and god knows what else. How do you type with your fingers permanently in your ears? You don't strike me as clever but yes you are a ****.

 

Keep googling those user names.

 

You have no idea about my attendance level before i became disinfranchised because of Lowe. A few on here do and know i went to home and away games and on the pre-season tours.

 

Next season i will not be returning to the same level of support i did when i was in my early-mid twenties, but i'm looking forward to going a lot and am looking forward to making plans for pre-season and beyond.

[Frank's cousin]

Stanley - what you dont seem to acknowledge is that whatever the wealth of a new owner - we have absolutely feck all idea how much of said wealth said new owner has in liquid assets that he is willing to '**** up the wall' on a football club - that is what is still unknown as is his strategy for success/suvival/consolidation in League 1.

 

After being so critical of previous regimes who have 'failed' to sponsor success by investing - what happens if said new owner is not prepared to bankroll the club and wants it to 'live within ones means'? All those that said they ahd not issue with Lowe's back ground and plummyness but judged on his failures including his lack of ambition by not investing cash in players, how long will teh new man have becfore he fails to live up to your expectations as well?...

[Frank's cousin]

Not sure that it`s spiritual.

 

Do you think he needs glasses then?

[trousers]

All I know is that I feel happier now than I did 6 months ago. So Stanley may well have a valid point.

 

Of course, knowing Saints, this feeling of relative happiness may well revert back to deep despair again over the next 6 months!

[Mole]

Stanley - what you dont seem to acknowledge is that whatever the wealth of a new owner - we have absolutely feck all idea how much of said wealth said new owner has in liquid assets that he is willing to '**** up the wall' on a football club - that is what is still unknown as is his strategy for success/suvival/consolidation in League 1.

 

After being so critical of previous regimes who have 'failed' to sponsor success by investing - what happens if said new owner is not prepared to bankroll the club and wants it to 'live within ones means'? All those that said they ahd not issue with Lowe's back ground and plummyness but judged on his failures including his lack of ambition by not investing cash in players, how long will teh new man have becfore he fails to live up to your expectations as well?...

 

Any contribution from the new owner will trump the contributions ever made by Rupert Lowe, but i take your point. I will be looking for the new owner to invest to a degree, but also to make good decisions. Finding a good manger and letting him do his job is critical and it's this decision that will be more important than throwing money around.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Now i am worried if i typed something you agree with, i wanted Lowe gone with a vengence i just do not think it happened because of the " boycotters due to Lowe" but believe it was due tp poor performances on the pitch which made people stay away.

 

Then again those poor performances ultimately happenned because of Lowe so perhaps Stanley is correct indirectly

 

Mike that doesn't account for the freefall in performances of the season before when much more money was being spent on the team. During Lowe's tenure although attendances were down by about 5,000 they actually increased slightly over the season prior to administration.

 

Poor performances may have a part to play but without reanalysing everything again you know I don't hold Lowe totally to blame and understood his objectives. It's probably more to do with the fact that fans were unhappy with the diet of CCC as much as poor football, otherwise why pay to watch the same team get trounced by Man U in 1st gear?

 

The truth will come out I guess over the next 5 seasons but i doubt audiences will rise much above the 21k mark of the previous season. Hope I'm wrong though. Stanley is the biggest troll on this forum and the fact he cannot argue the position he takes proves my point. As mentioned by someone else he is doing it for the 'fame' poor soul.

[Chez]

The big gates for the reduced price tickets also tells me the standard pricing was badly wrong - Leeds were getting 15-19,000, their lowest gates for years when they reached the CCC Play Off final because of ticket cost and Leeds fans are always cited on here as being as loyal as fans come.

 

 

actually in that 2005/6 season Leeds' home gate only dropped below 20k twice (both 18k) for league games, but certainly the high ticket prices brought by Bates the following season (and then again the season after that in League 1) had a massive effect on overall attendances (they dropped bloew the 20k mark a lot). Bates took the **** and our next new board had better not do the same.

[Frank's cousin]

Any contribution from the new owner will trump the contributions ever made by Rupert Lowe, but i take your point. I will be looking for the new owner to invest to a degree, but also to make good decisions. Finding a good manger and letting him do his job is critical and it's this decision that will be more important than throwing money around.

 

Thats a fair point, and I dont think many will have a problem about arguing about teh manager etc and plaer decsions again as these are 'footballing' and less political - and we all have our opinions on that - JP/Wotte/Pearson became an issue because it was considered or became political simply because of the who by and why the appointments were made. It will be interesting to see what sort of figure emerges to take control of first team affairs or if Wotte is kept on who knows but if so, are those who 'boycotted' because of Lowe prepared to return if Wotte remained despite new owners?

[Mole]

Thats a fair point' date=' and I dont think many will have a problem about arguing about teh manager etc and plaer decsions again as these are 'footballing' and less political - and we all have our opinions on that - JP/Wotte/Pearson became an issue because it was considered or became political simply because of the who by and why the appointments were made. It will be interesting to see what sort of figure emerges to take control of first team affairs or if Wotte is kept on who knows but if so, [b']are those who 'boycotted' because of Lowe prepared to return if Wotte remained despite new owners?[/b]

 

Speaking for myself YES. I'm not the biggest fan of Wotte because basically i think he's a crap manager, but i would support the decision of the new owner.

[NickG]

who was the chairman when we played Man U in the cup?

[Mole]

who was the chairman when we played Man U in the cup?

 

How many Man Utd shirts did you count in Southampton city centre this morning?

[saintsmike25]

Thankyou for making the sacrifice and killing off the Lowe regime. You are the reason that Lowe and Wilde are no longer at the club. You are the reason that we don't have to endure life in League 1 with Lowe and Wilde still at the club. You are the reason that Saints are now on the verge of single ownership, and that the PLC is dead. You are the reason that Saints now have a future and that the feelgood factor is returning.

 

Thankyou for making it happen, you saved SFC.

 

I don't think we'd have been in league one facing a 10 point reduction if these fans turned up to the games whilst we were in the championship regardless of Lowe being in charge.

Frankly this was too much of a closer shave, and what if these new owners aren't up to scratch to some? go away and hope someone better turns up?

Frankly what we were was LUCKY that we had Le Tissier and Lynham and others put in bids for a club which is frankly losing **** loads of money in a time of economic recession.

 

And as for the feel-good factor, it's more a sense of relief we have a club, the takeover isn't even complete and it might not even happen in two weeks you NEVER know. There's been more twists than turns than Fabrice Fernandes on a mazy run.

 

And lets face it, it hasn't exactly been an enjoyable experience for anyone.

[londonsaint1604]

How many Man Utd shirts did you count in Southampton city centre this morning?

 

How many times has this been discussed already?

[Frank's cousin]

How many Man Utd shirts did you count in Southampton city centre this morning?

 

Thats certyainly a big facto - but could slaso be said for all prem years really number of times i found away fans in the home section sat near by on 'corporate STs...

[Micky]

Stanley - what you dont seem to acknowledge is that whatever the wealth of a new owner - we have absolutely feck all idea how much of said wealth said new owner has in liquid assets that he is willing to '**** up the wall' on a football club - that is what is still unknown as is his strategy for success/suvival/consolidation in League 1.

 

After being so critical of previous regimes who have 'failed' to sponsor success by investing - what happens if said new owner is not prepared to bankroll the club and wants it to 'live within ones means'? All those that said they ahd not issue with Lowe's back ground and plummyness but judged on his failures including his lack of ambition by not investing cash in players, how long will teh new man have becfore he fails to live up to your expectations as well?...

 

Careful now - you're getting into the realms of reality. New owner, not willing to slash millions of pounds up against the wall in order to pacify cyberwarrier fans - whatever next.

 

Can we just get back to the egotist cyberfiction where we are likely to win the champions league in a couple of years instead of all this common sence stuff that you are sprouting...!

[Scudamore]

A big thank you to those that boycotted?

 

So you're saying thank you to yourself?!

 

Do you also applaud yourself when you have a w::nk?

[SFKA South Woodford]

I expect they were filled with dread about the cumulative effect the boycotters were having. For all Lowes blunders it was us that put the final nail in his coffin.

 

Yes and left those of us that have truly supported our club through it's darkest times with the prospect of having no club at all. If the 15,000 of us that have turned up through the thin and thinner had been 'boycotting' the club, it would have been liquidated months ago.

 

So go and try to score some points with other mindless t*ats, like the local NF party members, not with people who have cared and have done enough to get the club to this point.

 

PS. I'm not attacking those that stayed away because of the product on display, I believe that all of us who continued to attend, probably thought twice on occassion.

[Wes Tender]

Correct and nothing will ever change that fact. Whatever happens in the future the events in the Spring of 2009 will always be there to remind us how far this club fell and some wounds for whatever reason and regardless of future prosperity may never heal.

 

Notwithstanding those who lost a lot of money in comparison to their own businesses we cannot ignore the fact that around 5,000 deserted the club last season based on the previous season. Regardless of their reasons they withdrew their support and had they not done so we would probably still be in the CC or worst case in L1 without a 10 point penalty. I hope none of that 5,000 sit near me and the rest of a loyal band of ST's holders.

 

Whereas naturally I'm sorry for some of the creditors who lost money when the club went into administration, I'm entirely happy that those members of the old board and those that they brought in via the reverse takeover have lost their shares. I'm also having quite a gloat at those like you, who have suffered the loss of their god Lowe and who are trying to place the blame for his demise on the shoulders of anybody they can lash out at, when the majority of the blame rests on Lowe's own shoulders.

 

Once again, you state that those 5000 stayaways caused our demise, never once admitting that the reasons mostly had something to do with Lowe, either because of the relegation, the stupid experiment, playing the kids, charging Premiership prices in the second division, loaning out the best strikers, etc.

 

I had hoped that unity amongst fans might be restored now that the old regimes are gone, but people like you prove that they get their jollies from trolling around these forums deliberately being antagonistic. You criticise Stanley for exactly the same things that you are yourself guilty of, therefore you are a hypocrite. Well, if you wish to continue crossing swords with me, I'll continue relishing the prospect of showing up you up as being far less intelligent than you like to think you are.

[saintwarwick]

I expect they were filled with dread about the cumulative effect the boycotters were having. For all Lowes blunders it was us that put the final nail in his coffin.

 

You assisted but without massive financial backing we were alwyas going to struggle no matter who was in the hot seat. Will you be buying a season ticket now Lowe has gone? I know the real answer.