rallyboy Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 saw Orient last year, he should concentrate more on knocking down their stand that looks like a tribute to football in the 30s or perhaps buying some decent players. They have a nice little ground, though it is more aimed at the people who live in it than football. Orient is half a football club and half a housing development. And I do recall him hanging out at Pompey with Terry Brady when their great Venables experiment was at it's peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Presumably, by "drugs cheat", he means a sprinter on tranquilisers. That's the only way the analogy holds up in our case. lol yes or a shot putter on Paracetamol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Obviously Barry Hearn is a short-arsed cocney t**t and we will take 6 points off his scabby little club next season BUT he has got a point. We gambled millions to buy players who might win promotion - the fact that Burley spent huge sums on laughable nonsense like Rasiak and Skacel just compounded our recklessness. We lived way beyond our means and we bought failure - double whammy. A lot of people are going to lose a lot of money as a result of having had enough faith in our club to give it mortgages, overdrafts and credit. None of us is going to lose a penny as a result of Saints troubles. I just don't buy this idea that people should be able to just walk away from their debts when the going gets tough, especially in our case, where all our problems are entirely of our own making. I agree with Hearn - we should by rights have gone into liquidation and faced the consequences .. how many goals did Rasiak score...combined with Skacel with the most assists in that season?? And we are hardly "walking away" from our debts are we! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Lindford Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Was kinda hoping for 'Orient away' last game of season - good memories from years gone by... Ah yes, was it 77/78 with the 1-1 draw that saw us up to Div 1? Good night out that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Barry who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Wouldn't it be ironic to have to face them as our last game away, with a win promoting us and relegating them? Well if you look at the last 2 times Saints have been promoted they have been secured by results at Leyton Orient away: be nice to get an everything comes in 3's against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I am desperately trying to figure out how we gained an advantage by loaning out Rasiak, John, Skacel, Dyer and Saganowski then borrowing Robertson, Smith, Gasmi, Peckhart etc.. For all of Rupsey's many faults he did not cheat by trying to buy us out of trouble !! Mr Hearns should save his vitriol for the real culprits of the debt ridden scandals much higher up the divisions than Saints !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Can't be talking about us. Don't recall our CLUB going into administration... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Is this in anyway connected to our new investor Morph ? I know where your coming from badger and was hoping morph answered as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Ah yes, was it 77/78 with the 1-1 draw that saw us up to Div 1? Good night out that was. Yes that was a good night. We needed a point and so did they. The second half was like a celebration party starting early as both sets of fans enjoyed the sharing of the spoils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Shall we assume Mr Hearn has never had a mortgage on his house? I think he probably has and therefore he can consider himself a cheat. People in glass houses and all that... (d1ck). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 (edited) Ah yes, was it 77/78 with the 1-1 draw that saw us up to Div 1? Good night out that was. As I previously posted : "LOL I don't recall us ever losing to them albeit it is going back many years since we played in the same Division ( 77/78 I would imagine as a draw there in our penultimate game all but sealed promotion as did the 1-1 back in 65/66) So I have happy memories of Leyton Orient !! " I would add now I remember that part of a wall collapsed at their crappy ground during the 77/78 game but luckily as I recall no one was badly hurt. Good old Tony Funnell scored our goal and if my memory is really good I think he was only playing because 2 other strikers, Austin Hayes and Tony Sealey ? ) were injured. Edited 1 June, 2009 by chrisobee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Can't be talking about us. Don't recall our CLUB going into administration... Precisely. You ain't talking about us Barry, get your facts right. Anyway, I am reliably informed that certain match results in snooker aren't necesarily what they may at first appear - to your average punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Ah yes, was it 77/78 with the 1-1 draw that saw us up to Div 1? Good night out that was. Well, 1966 and 1978. Massive Saints followings at both games, probably 75% of the gate in '78, the last in a memorable run-in that saw thousands of Saints fans descend on Luton and that Friday night game at Fulham in particular. Also a fun day at Orient in the cup a few years later when Cas Pennant and his ICF turned up on the away terrace (tho' an hour before kick-off when no-one was in there then!) - bit like Spurs making a (brief) late show at the '78 game. 'appy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Precisely. You ain't talking about us Barry, get your facts right. Anyway, I am reliably informed that certain match results in snooker aren't necesarily what they may at first appear - to your average punter. Bordering on libellous but quite possibly true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Well, 1966 and 1978. Massive Saints followings at both games, probably 75% of the gate in '78, the last in a memorable run-in that saw thousands of Saints fans descend on Luton and that Friday night game at Fulham in particular. Also a fun day at Orient in the cup a few years later when Cas Pennant and his ICF turned up on the away terrace (tho' an hour before kick-off when no-one was in there then!) - bit like Spurs making a (brief) late show at the '78 game. 'appy days. Cas Pennant . . . lol! Just who the feck does he support? We endured more grief from the Met than his crew. Mind you, they took exception to me continually yelling "The miners united will never be defeated" and also asking them if they liked their free colour TV sets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Hearn does have a small point but has failed to take into account the practical difficulties of what he is implying. You can easily argue the case that when we continued all that spending the previous season, we managed to stay up by virtually placing ourselves into administration for the following season. We did not know that completely until we found out we could not sell on the high earners or get enough of them off our books. It was not cheating but you can easily see how it could be viewed as such by prudently run clubs who live within their means. Just like the fly by night cowboys who go into administration to lose debt, then restart directly on another set of gullible public. The Football League have got this as near as damn it to a practical solution. Should we have avoided the -10 then that would be very valid. I do believe there should be a percentage limit you may be allowed to go into debt, based upon your assets and revenue. Not sure how workable this is but it would cover all the clubs and allow for the situation Hearn is trying to address. I agree. Football is spiralling out of control using money it does not have. Wages/transfer fees are rocketing and every club is borrowing more to keep up. It is utter madness. P*mpey won the Cup last year with a team they didn't own a tenth of. How can a properly run club (ie spends within its means) compete on a level playing field? Hearn has not expressed himself well (assuming he was not misquoted to spice the story up) but the fundamentals of his thoughts are quite correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 I heard Hearn was trying to sell Orient. We've just found a buyer. He hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Wouldn't it be ironic to have to face them as our last game away, with a win promoting us and relegating them? Well, no. Not ironic at all. Now it WOULD be ironic if we ended up staying up as a result of Leyton Orient going into administration and having points deducted, but let's not get into all that "you don't understand irony" thing, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Couldn't give a **** what some west end barrow boy has to say he knows that even with -10 points we'll still finish higher than his shower of ****e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitmonSaint Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Whoever 'Chris' is who posted this in the comments section of that website, thank you for making me laugh with: Sport Comments Chris 31 May 2009 - 23:16 'Barry Hearn - on behalf of Saints fans everywhere, shut the f*ck up.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 I heard Hearn was trying to sell Orient. We've just found a buyer. He hasn't. Maybe we pinched his buyer. I hope so now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Most of the football league and PL would shut if he had his way then ! Exactly - am I right in thinking that Barry is fairly new to football, started with boxing and snooker. Perhaps he should look at the balance sheet of some of the big 4 (nay all..!) in the Prem League - see how much in the red they are and then dispose of the whole sordid bunch of drug cheats...! If he did - perhaps Leyton Orient might actually be top of the league. As for being labelled alongside druggies, he really should look a little further - there is some very dodgey money associated with the Premiership - so to be labelled in the druggie category is probably really a bit of a backhanded compliment - although Baz probably hasn't clicked just yet. BTW - any relation to Baz the Briefase...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 I know where your coming from badger and was hoping morph answered as well. It seems he likes to leave snippets of (mis)information for us all from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 I agree. Football is spiralling out of control using money it does not have. Wages/transfer fees are rocketing and every club is borrowing more to keep up. It is utter madness. P*mpey won the Cup last year with a team they didn't own a tenth of. How can a properly run club (ie spends within its means) compete on a level playing field? Hearn has not expressed himself well (assuming he was not misquoted to spice the story up) but the fundamentals of his thoughts are quite correct. Where are the solutions though Duncan? The top clubs would prefer to go even further and have independent TV Rights sales thus making themselvs richer at everyone elses expense - they could argue its what happens in Spain etc.. And I guess therefore any rules/regulations enforced to level playing fields would need to be the same across all UEFA members if not FIFA and there is little chance of that happening. The biggest issues with things like salary capping as a percentage of revenue is that all clubs with a rich owner who donates cash to underwrite debts is ho9w do you distinguish this from other revenues sources etc? I wish there was an answer but the moment sky entered the arean, football was no longer about fans who go to games locally, but all about teh armchairfan and catering fo their needs... Yet you still get whinging ferguson complaining about 12 O'clock saturady kickoffs - yet never declining the extra tV revenue - the hypocracy is lost in the media afraid of him boycotting them as well... to much power, control and self interest from those clubs taht have it all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFM Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Give him credit, he's gauranteed now that our full away allocation will be sold when we play there. (Mind you that is probably only about 300 tickets?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 A boxing promoter pontificating about cheating - just about takes the biscuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Ah yes, was it 77/78 with the 1-1 draw that saw us up to Div 1? Good night out that was. Great night out except for the wall falling down, nearly all saints, beer in hand on the terrace, it was jam packed and a great night. OH happy days !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locks heath saint 2 Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 What a novel stategy, they obviously feel there will be a rash of clubs in trouble, by maximising the penalty heaped upon them it gives them the best possible chance of progressing up the league. Quite frankly the only way they could. They are calling who cheats? Lets hope the local jellied eel stall that supplies all thier funds falls on hard times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Great night out except for the wall falling down, nearly all saints, beer in hand on the terrace, it was jam packed and a great night. OH happy days !!!!I seem to remember that the Spurs heavies were supposed to be turning up to give Saints a good kicking....and the handful that did show turned tail when they realised how many Saints fans were there. I also went to the previous game where we beat Luton 2-1 at Kenilworth Road (space hopper and blow up lady bouncing around the terraces). Nearly got blinded by a cube of sugar (of all things) in the coach coming home! Sorry - nostalgically wandered off thread a bit there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN5_Saint Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 What a c*ck. We had a modest over-draft that was called in forcing us into administration. Concealing insolvency is a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 Drug Cheats... So that's where all the money went.. Well they sure as hell were not performance enhancing drugs' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 I'm fed up watching very average or poor footballers earn absolute fortunes. Rare ability should be rewarded with the top money, fine, but wayne thomas 8k a week? It's the rich average players that are really alienating fans. Rather unfair IMO to single out Wayne Thomas when generally it's the overseas players who pick up their pay packet when they really should be too ashamed. Of course we have had some great/very good players from overseas ( Golac, Eklund, Svensson x 2 etc) but many have been a total waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 So when people lose their house they are 'cheating.' Hang them all I say, every last disgusting one of the vermin. Of course Hearn has earned all his money honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 Barry Hearn, is a ******, is a ******! Barry Hearn, is a ******, is a ******! Barry Hearn touches little boys. And repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffo Posted 3 June, 2009 Share Posted 3 June, 2009 well if the quality of his arguement is a reflection of the Div 1 teams skills, Saints will be promoted half way through the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 I know that Barry has made a few quid from his exploits, but do you think he has Hearned as much as the O's richest fan? http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/lloyd%20webber%20to%20follow%20the%20orient_1028714 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 The joke about Barry Hearn is that after he was shot by one of his boxers that he had shafted he gave a TV interview saying he did not have any enemies and did not understand why anybody would want to shoot him. The commentator said he thought he could name at least half a million people he had cheated off the top of his head and that a lot of people were just sorry the guy could not shoot straight. Who cares what he thinks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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