Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 So.... what are the thoughts ??? Just wondered as these days i feel they are f*cking useless, especially in the big brother world we live in. I appreciate that we need the CCTV and stuff to 'help' stop crime but in reality they don't, they certainly don't provide any evidence. In my eyes they are only there as a business these days, someone breaks in then they have nobody to attend your disturbance. But... soon as you commit a crime that provokes an on the spot fine and bam they are there. From the only times i have come into contact (both pulled over late at night for small reasons and they found nothing) they have been nothing more than obnoxious, expectant that i have done something wrong, unapproachable and generally *****s. Add to that that violent crime has gone up, what good are they ? we need a shakeup and TBH how is jacqui smith still in a job ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 feel slightly sorry for the OB there job has been made virtually impossible by the PC world that now exists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 18 Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I have had two members of our family join the OB a few years ago, both left within 2 years of joining, both saying the odds are stacked against them. They catch a criminal red handed, fill out reams of paper work and then some judge lets the **** off with a slapped wrist. Same scum commits the same offence again same result. Here's the guy we need to mend broken Britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 If violent crime etc has risen, it's more to do with systematic problems with society and our culture, in my opinion. The police are there to respond to crime, really. Their role is inherently reactive, and as such, a rise in crime cannot be sensibly laid at their door, at least their door alone. Proportionate convictions, arrests etc is perhaps a different story, but resources will clearly be more stretched if crime rates rise without a rise in personnel with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 They can't win, the OB are told to keep up arrests and at the same time the courts are told to reduce the numbers going to prison:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I dont see how you can call them "f*cking useless" They are just like you and me and have a job to do. The problem lays with the CPS who just through cases out left right and centre. Everyone single person I know, knows that if they get caught doing something illegal nothing will happen so their is nothing stopping people doing these crimes. Except common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 The problem lies with this useless excuse for a government, who decided it would be a great idea to introduce policing targets. Now instead of worrying about fighting crime and the causes of it, Chief Constables are under massive pressure to hit these targets and have to police as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Sometimes their attitude gets engendered by the attitude of the person they are stopping? I was pulled last year by ANPR. I was shocked and surprised to be pulled but I remained polite and they were polite to me. After they had found that I was totally legal (new car and not showing as insured) they apologised and we all went on with our business. They are only people, like you and I. Many good and a few bad apples. Their primary job has been eroded by cost cutting which leaves them endless reams of paperwork to do after an arrest. There are so few of them and they cannot possibly be everywhere at once nor respond immediately to every situation. The individual policeman is not there as a business but, maybe, the people way above them may see it like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 A point I would raise is that it's very easy to blame whichever government is in power at any time on most given themes - but you have to ask, for all governments - would the oppostion really have done any different? There is a certain amount of political pragmatism that tends to govern our democracy, certainly with the current status quo. It's very easy to whinge and be critical in opposition, but it's entirely possible the tories would have pushed things the same way. In an age where party politics has become increasingly centralised, it's hardly a wonder that many who might once have been engaged in the political process have become so disillusioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I agree, the way I see it has come from many years of different Governments basically doing the same thing with their own version of fine tuning each others efforts. I realise that a Government, and it's services, need to be financially accountable but the emergency services, health, education, armed forces all seem to be totally under the eagle eye of accountants and the ensuing army of bureaucrats. Far, far, far too many chiefs and not enough injuns for my liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I hardly have a bad word to say about the police. I feel sorry for them if anything. Like its been mentioned, their job is made a lot lot harder by the PC world and masses of paperwork that has to be done. I got assulted 6 months ago, the police were on hand within seconds. Very helpful. I issued statements, along with witnesses and the OB are in regular contact with me about developments. However because of the political correctness, still nothing has been really done. The guys are out on bail....and I cant see it going much further despite the CCTV, multiple witnesses and the history of they guys who did it. But it seems the actual officers are bending over backwards to try and help me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Never liked their reggae-lite schtick particularly, but they do have a few undeniable tunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 So.... what are the thoughts ??? Just wondered as these days i feel they are f*cking useless, especially in the big brother world we live in. I appreciate that we need the CCTV and stuff to 'help' stop crime but in reality they don't, they certainly don't provide any evidence. In my eyes they are only there as a business these days, someone breaks in then they have nobody to attend your disturbance. But... soon as you commit a crime that provokes an on the spot fine and bam they are there. From the only times i have come into contact (both pulled over late at night for small reasons and they found nothing) they have been nothing more than obnoxious, expectant that i have done something wrong, unapproachable and generally *****s. Add to that that violent crime has gone up, what good are they ? we need a shakeup and TBH how is jacqui smith still in a job ? You say that with a little contempt, almost as though you had indeed been up to no good, but those silly billy's weren't smart enough to catch you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 However because of the political correctness, still nothing has been really done. Yeah, most things are to do with that. And Poles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 31 May, 2009 You say that with a little contempt, almost as though you had indeed been up to no good, but those silly billy's weren't smart enough to catch you LoL, no, basically the first time was over christmas and i had just picked up the missus and her mate and did a turn in the road, as i slowed for the light a bloke ran out of a black unmarked car and put his hand in front of the wind shield, as he was not in a full uniform i got a bit worried. I didn't really notice what was going on until he showed me his badge, so i got out, he asked me to step to the the side of the road and said to me, 'sir you look very nervous do you have anything to hide ?' 'No' i said, 'but to be fair you just ran accross the road to stop me and i could only see a bloke dressed in black, i thought i had been car jacked !' 'Ok sir, anyway you were on the wrong side of the road' Fair enough if he wanted to pull me but was v obnoxious, when asked where i was going, and i said to the kebab shop and then the chippy. (not both for me) he responded by saying 'oh, not back up the pub then ?' He was just very stand offish, he had to ring up to get a breath test sent and was stood in the freezing cold for 20 mins. Even when i asked to sit back in the car he just looked at me, it was his partner who was very polite the whole time and said 'of course' Then i did the breath test, i had never done one before and he had the cheek to ask me if i was sure of that. And then the even more cheek to explain and in his own words 'when it goes orange or red we will take you back to the station' he said nothing about green. As expected it went green, he literally then handed me the tube and walked off, no sorry, no nothing, it was his partner that said 'sorry about that sir, he has had a long day' so she obviously realised he was being a d!ck about it. End of the day, i have no problem being pulled etc as i generally would not risk getting licence taken (and job lost straight away) but i don't have to take sh!t of someone just because of a uniform, seeing as they provide a service to the public they should act with respect. I understand it's a hard job and i apologise for tarnishing them all, i have just had a lot of bad experiences and a lot of bad things happen and nothing done about it. But i do agree the government does not help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 31 May, 2009 You just sound like one of them c*nts that argue over anything tbf. So what if they pulled you, nothing happened so drive home and forget about it. Ive been pulled loads of times as used to work in nightclubs and drove home at 4am. It's their job. You experienced one copper who was a bit of a w*nker but still no need to say you hate police because of one person. Every work place has its w*nkers. May be a c*nt but only argue with what i needed to, i was not really argueing with him, like when he said i looked nervous i jokingly said yeah because he scared the **** outta me, i didn't get angry with him, but the way he was treating me did **** me off, it was as if he had made his mind up. A bit of history however is that one of my friends was killed in town, he was assaulted and on the way home blacked out and hit his head on the curb, which eventually killed him. The police later found out 3 youths that they knew were involved in the assault but said they doubted they could make a conviction and so nothing happened. Another mate of mines son was assaulted, pretty badly and put in hospital, the police went to his house and said to him that they knew exactly who he was, said it had happened before but they were not going to prosecute. They even had the cheek to say they expected him to do it again and they will have enough evidence next time. My mate said 'don't worry i'll sort it myself then' to which he was warned he could be cautioned. I apologise for my blanket comments that really were probably a tad harsh looking back, but in the two times that i have been stopped i have been treated with complete contempt even though i have not actually been hostile or difficult. You are innocent until proven guilty, and seeing neither time was speeding or anything why treat me like a criminal ? They do a difficult job, one i can't do. But truth is they are loosing the publics respect so why make it any worse for themselves ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 May be a c*nt but only argue with what i needed to, i was not really argueing with him, like when he said i looked nervous i jokingly said yeah because he scared the **** outta me, i didn't get angry with him, but the way he was treating me did **** me off, it was as if he had made his mind up. A bit of history however is that one of my friends was killed in town, he was assaulted and on the way home blacked out and hit his head on the curb, which eventually killed him. The police later found out 3 youths that they knew were involved in the assault but said they doubted they could make a conviction and so nothing happened. Another mate of mines son was assaulted, pretty badly and put in hospital, the police went to his house and said to him that they knew exactly who he was, said it had happened before but they were not going to prosecute. They even had the cheek to say they expected him to do it again and they will have enough evidence next time. My mate said 'don't worry i'll sort it myself then' to which he was warned he could be cautioned. I apologise for my blanket comments that really were probably a tad harsh looking back, but in the two times that i have been stopped i have been treated with complete contempt even though i have not actually been hostile or difficult. You are innocent until proven guilty, and seeing neither time was speeding or anything why treat me like a criminal ? They do a difficult job, one i can't do. But truth is they are loosing the publics respect so why make it any worse for themselves ? Please do not misunderstand why I ask this, but what is the bckground to the assault. Is he a decent young lad? If so, I expect he is just another victim of the scum that walk our streets, I hope he is okay. Can this decline in decency be reversed? I worry, I really do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Please do not misunderstand why I ask this, but what is the bckground to the assault. Is he a decent young lad? If so, I expect he is just another victim of the scum that walk our streets, I hope he is okay. Can this decline in decency be reversed? I worry, I really do. His name was Glenn Ploughman, it was in the papers, he was actually my cousins boyfriend, but yes, i know everyone always gives it the he would not hurt a fly after assaults but he seriously was not. He was on the way home from skateing when he was set upon (did not know them). Just another example of this **** world we live in today, and nothing ever seems to change, be it police, cps or government, what has to happen before things turn towards the good ? Sorry to hear, But again that is not down to the police. It is the CPS who look at evidence, The police hate the CPS as much as we do as they want to make arrests and get these d*cks banged up but the CPS just makes it impossible half the time. I appreciate that and it may well be the CPS, i was just saying it does not help that the only two times i have come into contact, and as i said it wasn't even as if i was speeding etc or doing anything wrong, they were unaproachable and generally showed me contempt. Considering both times i was found to have nothing at all out of order, (car, insurance, tax etc) i don't understand why i get treated as if i am a criminal. Both times BTW i was not difficult (i don't understand why anyone would be as surely your asking for more trouble) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2009 (edited) 23 and a ford mondeo (work). So not a chavy car that screams to be pulled. Edited 1 June, 2009 by Smirking_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Is the answer bigger prisons so that the CPS can make judgements not based on the fact that their is no room to put offenders? More jobs for Prison Officers and safer streets praps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Is the answer bigger prisons so that the CPS can make judgements not based on the fact that their is no room to put offenders? More jobs for Prison Officers and safer streets praps? Probably exactly the answer, it's a shame, as i say they do a hard job made harder by the CPS etc. But, why do i deserve to be treated badly by him for no reason ?? Even after making life not difficult for them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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