Saint Jude Posted 30 May, 2009 Posted 30 May, 2009 got the money, already has links with Southampton...and a history of refurbishing dock areas..which we need...
Badger Posted 30 May, 2009 Posted 30 May, 2009 roger de hann.... got the money, already has links with Southampton...and a history of refurbishing dock areas..which we need... Sounds Dutch. A revolutionary new takeover perhaps ?
sotonjoe Posted 30 May, 2009 Posted 30 May, 2009 I think you may be right. Pinnacle are registered at the same address as a petrochemical business owned by the Gibbons family(The only two companies registered at that address). Gibbons,Strode Gibbons and MLT are all linked in business in the past. That's interesting .... I hadn't made the petro-chemicals link tbh, I just had my own suspicions. I could make some enquiries and find out if he is our man or not but I'd rather not. It'll all come out in the wash soon!
Alright Dave Posted 30 May, 2009 Posted 30 May, 2009 (edited) Guy's, the guy or gal wants to remain anonymous for the moment, lets give him/her that until he/she is willing to out him or her self. They are about to save our club from ruin after all, the least they deserve is us respecting their wishes! Even if its extremely difficult for us to wait for! Edited 30 May, 2009 by Alright Dave
Wiltshire Saint Posted 30 May, 2009 Posted 30 May, 2009 Newsflash....... first picture of mysterious new Saints owner released . or.....
Badger Posted 30 May, 2009 Posted 30 May, 2009 Pinnacles involvement suggests to me that the man involved maybe local and possibly a complete unkown. I'd agree with that.Unless of course Paul Allen has engaged them to throw the media - and all of us on here - off the scent. I think you may be right. Pinnacle are registered at the same address as a petrochemical business owned by the Gibbons family(The only two companies registered at that address). Gibbons,Strode Gibbons and MLT are all linked in business in the past. I wasn't aware that he is on the Times Serious Wonga list to the degree we are talking of now though.
Alright Dave Posted 30 May, 2009 Posted 30 May, 2009 I'd agree with that.Unless of course Paul Allen has engaged them to throw the media - and all of us on here - off the scent. I wasn't aware that he is on the Times Serious Wonga list to the degree we are talking of now though. Looking at this article he is most certainly not! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/2794539/Credit-crisis-one-year-on-How-sub-prime-put-a-stop-to-Go-Business.html
saintchris23 Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 I think you may be right. Pinnacle are registered at the same address as a petrochemical business owned by the Gibbons family(The only two companies registered at that address). Gibbons,Strode Gibbons and MLT are all linked in business in the past. Jim Ratcliffe (Ineos Chemicals) is known as “Dr No!” he’s reclusive, irritable, doesn’t compromise and couldn’t care less what you think of him. I'd say either a very good guess or you've done some exceptional digging! http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/apr/25/ratcliffe.petrochemicals?gusrc=rss&feed=politics - Claims he has a £3.3b fortune and Forbes has him down nearer the £2b mark. Matt Le Tiss wasn't wrong when he said 'obscenely' wealthy! Sheikh WHO?
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Hmm, Jim Ratcliffe could be our man, but this article sugests most of his wealth is tied up in INEOS who have made huge losses in the recession. Consequently he is no longer listed in the rich list: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/business/4326015.Question_marks_over_fortune_of_Hampshire_s_richest_man/
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 In many ways, it’s unsurprising that Ratcliffe loves to hug the shadows, says The Independent: his one foray into the public arena was controversial, to say the least. Having acquired ICI’s Runcorn chlorine plant in 2000, “after one of the longest due diligence exercises in recent history”, Ineos decided it had been “sold a pup” and began petitioning the taxpayer to bail it out. Ratcliffe went for broke, asking the Government for £300m: the alternative, he said, was the closure of the plant with the loss of some 133,000 associated jobs. Sounds like the guy to me!
minime Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 just met up with a friend of mine who knows who the money is:)) well pleased...the name has been mentioned in the past on this site too:)))well done all involved )))
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 just met up with a friend of mine who knows who the money is:)) well pleased...the name has been mentioned in the past on this site too:)))well done all involved ))) Ratcliffe?
Micky Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 just met up with a friend of mine who knows who the money is:)) well pleased...the name has been mentioned in the past on this site too:)))well done all involved ))) Ahhh nothing like a real cunnunderum (or something like that..!) to keep me awake for the rest of the night - thanks a million for that...!
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 or..... Oh joy, josel fritzl. We already have a revolutionary youth set up and are an established family club. Other than that cannot see what else he could bring to the club ? How much has the bloke got to incest ??........... sorry invest ?
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Ahhh nothing like a real cunnunderum (or something like that..!) to keep me awake for the rest of the night - thanks a million for that...! Paul allen !!! Also saw a bunch of asian guys in pitcher and piano today, one had a bright orange turban ?? Perhaps the news reels are wrong and this Dr sahid bloke is actually looking at saints ?
StuRomseySaint Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 (edited) Michael Tabor I think McManus and Magnier were in there as well, possibly the ones that walked away.... and possibly the 'Irish Consortium' http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article4769451.ece Edited 31 May, 2009 by StuRomseySaint
egg Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Jim Ratcliffe (Ineos Chemicals) is known as “Dr No!” he’s reclusive, irritable, doesn’t compromise and couldn’t care less what you think of him. I'd say either a very good guess or you've done some exceptional digging! http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/apr/25/ratcliffe.petrochemicals?gusrc=rss&feed=politics - Claims he has a £3.3b fortune and Forbes has him down nearer the £2b mark. Matt Le Tiss wasn't wrong when he said 'obscenely' wealthy! Sheikh WHO? That is an old article. Back in 2006/7 he was rated as worth in the £2-3 billion bracket, not "several hundred million" as per Lynham's letter. Ratcliffe was 10th in the 2007 UK Rich list, slipped to 25th in 2008 and does not feature at all in 2009. Very, very strange. Either he is so elusive that the Sunday times forgot to include him - unlikely, or his wealth has reduced massively. If the latter is the case would he really want to throw money at a football club?
Wade Garrett Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Is it Henry, the mild-mannered janitor? Could be.
Faz Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 I suspect we won't have long to wait. Once a new holding company has been registered Guided Missile will be launched. Doubtless offshore trusts etc involved for someone of this level of wealth, but I have complete faith in GM. Also the FA leaks like a sieve. Once the new owner has been advised for fit and proper stauts confirmation, we'll know very soon afterwards.
saintchris23 Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 That is an old article. Back in 2006/7 he was rated as worth in the £2-3 billion bracket, not "several hundred million" as per Lynham's letter. Ratcliffe was 10th in the 2007 UK Rich list, slipped to 25th in 2008 and does not feature at all in 2009. Very, very strange. Either he is so elusive that the Sunday times forgot to include him - unlikely, or his wealth has reduced massively. If the latter is the case would he really want to throw money at a football club? Maybe, Maybe. But what if his personal liquid assets are 'several hundred million'? He could well have slipped off the Forbes / ST Rich List due to lack of cash, but it could well be that he has become even more reclusive and taken a back seat. I can guarantee one thing. If he doesn't want to appear on these lists, he won't be on them. Whoever it is, I'd rather have a club than not.
Wopper Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Not much fun being rich if you have to hide in the background.
slickmick Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Our one client has SUBSTANTIAL wealth - several hundred million. Several hundred million, not several hundred billion. Doesn't sound like Radcliff or Allen to me. Try looking for a less wealthy personality but not neccesarily less famous.
Faz Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 the money has been involved in football before ) AMSaints?
ozzmeister Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 the money has been involved in football before ) The ex Everton chairman - wasnt he linked sometime ago? Also what about the old Arsenal guy?
doughnutman Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 The ex Everton chairman - wasnt he linked sometime ago? Also what about the old Arsenal guy? Im pretty sure Lynam said that the person behind the bid had no previous ties so that would rules these 2 out. HTH
ottery st mary Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Gregg and Anderson is an old suggestion that was also mentioned in the recent Irish connection.... Personally I have no idea and look forward to the day it is signed sealed and delivered....I am still of the mind that NO Lowe AND NO Wotte or any of the other Mob groupies. I will be a lot happier when the BLOOOOODY picture of Thomas the Tank is on its way to the Museum or to Doncaster. COYRs.
krissyboy31 Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Im pretty sure Lynam said that the person behind the bid had no previous ties so that would rules these 2 out. HTH Links and Ties are 2 completely different things IMO. Ties are previous incumbents, whereas links, well......everybody including Uncle Tom Cobbley has been linked over the past 3 years with the club.
slickmick Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 New owner = David Beckham New Manager = Alan Shearer There goes my prediction.
SW11_Saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Osama bin Laden? (Hes pretty rich apparently) Bin Laden has ties to Arsenal - well he's a fan anyway. Was a regular at Highbury when he lived in London (strange but true!!!).
SW11_Saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Michael Tabor I think McManus and Magnier were in there as well, possibly the ones that walked away.... and possibly the 'Irish Consortium' http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article4769451.ece Believe the smart money is on Tabor. Would be great if it was him. Wonder if Gavyn Davies was one of the others? Frankly, I really don't mind who it is, as long as he has the cash and a committment to Saints!
Snowballs2 Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Believe the smart money is on Tabor. Would be great if it was him. Wonder if Gavyn Davies was one of the others? Frankly, I really don't mind who it is, as long as he has the cash and a committment to Saints! I feel there will not be a huge cash committment, it is going to be very gradual. Supporters expectations are just silly numbers
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Believe the smart money is on Tabor. Would be great if it was him. Wonder if Gavyn Davies was one of the others? Frankly, I really don't mind who it is, as long as he has the cash and a committment to Saints! Why?
Saint Billy Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 New owner = David Beckham New Manager = Alan Shearer There goes my prediction. I like the owner bit, that would help the gates!
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 just met up with a friend of mine who knows who the money is:)) well pleased...the name has been mentioned in the past on this site too:)))well done all involved ))) Andrew Lloyd-Webber.
Matty's Caddy Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Is it Henry, the mild-mannered janitor? Could be. actually, the mild manored janitors name is Penry, not Henry. common misconception
Tamesaint Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Michael Tabor I think McManus and Magnier were in there as well, possibly the ones that walked away.... and possibly the 'Irish Consortium' http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article4769451.ece I also think that there is a Tabor / Magnier / MacManus connection. They can spot business opportunities amongst football clubs as they made a packet when ManU were sold to the Glazers. They had built up a sizeable holding in Man U. They courted Sir Alex (a horse he "owned" won the Guineas). They looked on course to mount a takeover themselves but then had to satisfy themselves with a nice profit on their holding when the Glazers took over. If it is them and it gets announced next week all Saints fans can "support" their horses in the Derby next week - one of them is bound to win it according to the bookies!!.
Matty's Caddy Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Is it Henry, the mild-mannered janitor? Could be. actually, the mild mannered janitors name is Penry, not Henry. common misconception
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Im not convinced it would be anybody so high profile. We are a L1 club remember.
BLINK Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 the money has been involved in football before ) sir alan sugar
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 sir alan sugar Jack you aren't cut out for this guessing lark.
Nolan Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 That is an old article. Back in 2006/7 he was rated as worth in the £2-3 billion bracket, not "several hundred million" as per Lynham's letter. Ratcliffe was 10th in the 2007 UK Rich list, slipped to 25th in 2008 and does not feature at all in 2009. Very, very strange. Either he is so elusive that the Sunday times forgot to include him - unlikely, or his wealth has reduced massively. If the latter is the case would he really want to throw money at a football club? his non appearance on the rich list is due to people not being abe to estimate the value of his companies as explained on this daily echo article
Matthew Le God Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Jim Ratcliffe still a billionaire which surely rules him out based on the "several hundred million" comment. Would be great if it was him though
SW11_Saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 I feel there will not be a huge cash committment, it is going to be very gradual. Supporters expectations are just silly numbers And that is absolutely fine with me - in fact, by far the most sensible way to move forward. My expectations are suitably managed - in fact, I don't think you need to spend £Ms to get out of League 1, just appoint the right manager, and going about things in a sensible, organised way. We'll get there.
benjii Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 And that is absolutely fine with me - in fact, by far the most sensible way to move forward. My expectations are suitably managed - in fact, I don't think you need to spend £Ms to get out of League 1, just appoint the right manager, and going about things in a sensible, organised way. We'll get there. Absolutely right IMO. Who exactly are you going to spend big bucks on in League One anyway?! If the new regime is going to splash the cash it should be on recruiting the right manager and retaining those currently deemed worth keeping. This can be supplemented with some young loanees and experienced signings. The most important thing by far next season is having a playing squad with a winner's mentality and hunger, 100% behind the manager, from the first day of the season. If we can achieve this then I'm sure the rest will take care of itself.
Crab Lungs Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/specials/rich_list/article3761758.ece horse flesh? Some of the first team squad better be worried...
SaintRobbie Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Who is the mystery man looking to buy us? What do we already know? - substantial wealth. - has had no previous involvement with a football club. Any ideas? Perhaps we should remain patient. I would hate him to be exposed too early and lose heart in the media frenzy that may follow.
saint_mears Posted 31 May, 2009 Posted 31 May, 2009 Who is John Missliebrook ? his name was mentioned last night in the pub.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Author Posted 31 May, 2009 Perhaps we should remain patient. I would hate him to be exposed too early and lose heart in the media frenzy that may follow. media frenzy? not likely. we are a div 1 side now, clubs are bought now without any media interest. perhaps the echo will want an interview, but thats about it.............unless of course the guy is a house hold name like Rod S or Branson! They should then be used to the media!
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