Who is he?

Glasgow_Saint · 7 June, 2009

Perhaps the Mods should put up a count down clock until P Day

why 'P day'?

Toadhall Saint · 7 June, 2009

Purchase?

Pinnacle?

Tac-tics · 7 June, 2009

Tbh NickG, I think its strange he wont reveal who he is but one of the reasons is his priviacy from the media circus. Which splits with two ends, is he someone who knows what the media is like from previous circumstances maybe due to his career? Or is he a less fashionable household name which has never dealt with being in the media spotlight?

Oh how my mind ticks

saintalan · 7 June, 2009

Tbh NickG, I think its strange he wont reveal who he is but one of the reasons is his priviacy from the media circus. Which splits with two ends, is he someone who knows what the media is like from previous circumstances maybe due to his career? Or is he a less fashionable household name which has never dealt with being in the media spotlight?

Oh how my mind ticks

Has anyone ever considered he is just professional in his business dealings. He may well have good business reasons also, for example, whilst he has the requisite funds to buy the club and launch us for the next few years he might well still be seeking additional investment for the future.

Please don't misinterpret this as he doesn't have the funds (although it will be difficult to stop some!) just an example that the guy is being professional and may just have is own reasons.

I imagine if his name was released now, someone would start tracking his every move etc.

I can wait and if I never learn who he is, he still has my thanks.

Alan

Badger · 7 June, 2009

Am I right in thinking that the identity will have to be made public to satisfy the FA of the 'fit and proper persons' test ?

beatlesaint · 7 June, 2009

Am I right in thinking that the identity will have to be made public to satisfy the FA of the 'fit and proper persons' test ?

You would be right in thinking that yes (altho its the FL not the FA I believe)......wether that has already been done or not who knows ? But if it is leaked big style it will come from the Football League without a doubt !!

saintbletch · 7 June, 2009

I would just like to start by saying that I’m no way ITK, this is all IMO, but from the start I have had concerns about a few things with the Pinnacle bid. It would be interesting to know if any one else has had the same concerns or is it just me being daft.

1. Why has Mr Fry all along favoured their bid and not taken anyone else’s seriously?
2. Why is it that no one knows who is behind their bid and why do they want to keep it quite?
3. Why if their backer has the kind of money that has been talked about have they gone to a (with the greatest respect) small local broker to do the deal and not a major company from the city?
4. Why has Mr. Lynam been offered a position on the board? What will happen to his own company (Pinnacle) if he accepts?
I do hope that my thoughts are unfounded and I mean no disrespect to Pinnacle, Mr Lynam or anyone.

I share some of your concerns MusicMan.

2 and 4 are my biggest concerns but perhaps the part of Tony Lynam's message on here concerned me most.

...I was originally asked by a group of 4 very wealthy business people to become involved with their proposed takeover of SFC. I politely declined their offer of 'employment...'

Would a consortium that wants to own a football club, for footballing reasons, approach a Property Consultant to become an employed member of their team? I don't think so.

And without wanting to offend Tony Lynam who seems like an all round good egg judging by the personal recommendations he has on here, why would you then ask a Property Consultant to run the show?

Now should we worry? Maybe. Maybe not.

We were toast before this bid came in so it would be pretty churlish to not appear grateful but until some of these questions are answered I remain a concerned.

It seems pretty clear to me that in the investor's mind this is a transaction about property and not about a football club.

So if the investor gets whatever property he is after (SMS, Jackson's farm, planning permission along the waterfront, whatever) and we get a team that stays in business with a local hero as the Chairman. Is that a fair deal? Perhaps it is.

The reason that the investor is important to me is that unless the motivation of the money behind the deal is to create a football club that we can all be proud of, when times get tough his priorities may be elsewhere.

That's why this "You don't need to know who the investor is, I'm going to run the thing with MLT and ask him for cash if we need it" line is a bit of a worry to me.

Ideally I want the investor to be someone who kicks every ball and heads every cross from their seat in the Director's box. Not someone who smiles at his property portfolio and gets a monthly report from Tony Lynam on how many Balti pies we've sold.

I'd like to know now, which one of those investors we have behind the Pinnacle bid and I do wonder why our investor is not happy to be named.

gordonToo · 7 June, 2009

Why would you ask a Property Consultant to run the show?

Exactly.

Window Cleaner · 7 June, 2009

I share some of your concerns MusicMan.

2 and 4 are my biggest concerns but perhaps the part of Tony Lynam's message on here concerned me most.

Would a consortium that wants to own a football club, for footballing reasons, approach a Property Consultant to become an employed member of their team? I don't think so.

And without wanting to offend Tony Lynam who seems like an all round good egg judging by the personal recommendations he has on here, why would you then ask a Property Consultant to run the show?

Now should we worry? Maybe. Maybe not.

We were toast before this bid came in so it would be pretty churlish to not appear grateful but until some of these questions are answered I remain a concerned.

It seems pretty clear to me that in the investor's mind this is a transaction about property and not about a football club.

So if the investor gets whatever property he is after (SMS, Jackson's farm, planning permission along the waterfront, whatever) and we get a team that stays in business with a local hero as the Chairman. Is that a fair deal? Perhaps it is.

The reason that the investor is important to me is that unless the motivation of the money behind the deal is to create a football club that we can all be proud of, when times get tough his priorities may be elsewhere.

That's why this "You don't need to know who the investor is, I'm going to run the thing with MLT and ask him for cash if we need it" line is a bit of a worry to me.

Ideally I want the investor to be someone who kicks every ball and heads every cross from their seat in the Director's box. Not someone who smiles at his property portfolio and gets a monthly report from Tony Lynam on how many Balti pies we've sold.

I'd like to know now, which one of those investors we have behind the Pinnacle bid and I do wonder why our investor is not happy to be named.

Not that I'm unduly concerned by all this but I'm sure I'd feel a lot less

nervous about our immediate future if the "go-between" was somewhat less obscure than Pinnacle.Something keeps bugging me about the new wallahs choice of them as his negociating agent.

gordonToo · 7 June, 2009

1. Why has Mr Fry all along favoured their bid and not taken anyone else’s seriously?

Because it was the only qualified bid that came close to the breakup value of SLH?

2. Why is it that no one knows who is behind their bid and why do they want to keep it quite?

Because it would then be obvious that this is a pure property play?

3. Why if their backer has the kind of money that has been talked about have they gone to a (with the greatest respect) small local broker to do the deal and not a major company from the city?

See above.

4. Why has Mr. Lynam been offered a position on the board? What will happen to his own company (Pinnacle) if he accepts?

See above.

lancelot link · 7 June, 2009

Oh dear oh dear boys boys boys, when will some of you learn to stop being so mistrusting. Granted years of RL and his mob have undoubtedly ****ed everyones trust in mankind, but ask yourself these questions before jumping to grossly inaccurate conclusions:-

1. What does it matter who the person is (so long as its now Lowe or Wilde) as they have effectively saved our club?

2. Didn't I read OFFICIALLY and not a rumour that they have a 5 year aim at getting us back in the Premiership?

3. Didn't Mark Fry OFFICIALLY confirm that a 'substantial non-refundable deposit' be put down by Pinnacle?

4. Didn't Lynam go on record and say that MLT convinced him to bring this deal to the table

5. Didn't Lynam OFFICIALLY confirm yesterday on here that everything was going as it should be, legally!

6. How do we know that Lynam/Pinnacle are purely property brokers? From what I know, they're also financiers and have been in that game for 16 years or more. Maybe The Farmer can confirm this as he said once he worked with them?

7. Hasn't it been refreshing that at least this lot have respected their gagging order or NDA. We don't know the terms of it, but we do know that both Fry and Pinnacle are behaving in the same way.

8. Isn't anyone else just getting to boiling point that some people on here, and other forums, seem to want to stick the knife into something we know nothing about. The only thing I know is we have a club next year with plans to rebuild it over 5 years. I say ***k the doubters, lets actually support MLT/Pinnacle, oh and finally

9. Do you really think that MLT would be involved with anyone who has anything other than SFC at heart? And by him being in the thick of it in his 'pivotal role', we can safely assume that he will not allow anyone to abuse his trust.

The end

The Farmer · 7 June, 2009

Maybe The Farmer can confirm this as he said once he worked with them?

You are right Lance, I can confirm all of the above. The Pinnacle team have expertese and contacts in many areas and they have the acumen to deliver the goods. They are going about their business in the right fashion, working away behind closed doors getting the job done with the minimum of fuss. There will always be naysayers until everything is confirmed in black and white. Lowe and Wilde are history, which should give everyone renewed enthusiasm. A new chapter for the club is about to start with good people doing their best for the club and the fans.

Edited 7 June, 2009 by The Farmer

SuperSAINT · 7 June, 2009

Lowe and Wilde are history

What about Crouch? I understand they've been talking to him recently.

Wes Tender · 7 June, 2009

Oh dear oh dear boys boys boys, when will some of you learn to stop being so mistrusting. Granted years of RL and his mob have undoubtedly ****ed everyones trust in mankind, but ask yourself these questions before jumping to grossly inaccurate conclusions:-

1. What does it matter who the person is (so long as its now Lowe or Wilde) as they have effectively saved our club?
2. Didn't I read OFFICIALLY and not a rumour that they have a 5 year aim at getting us back in the Premiership?
3. Didn't Mark Fry OFFICIALLY confirm that a 'substantial non-refundable deposit' be put down by Pinnacle?
4. Didn't Lynam go on record and say that MLT convinced him to bring this deal to the table
5. Didn't Lynam OFFICIALLY confirm yesterday on here that everything was going as it should be, legally!
6. How do we know that Lynam/Pinnacle are purely property brokers? From what I know, they're also financiers and have been in that game for 16 years or more. Maybe The Farmer can confirm this as he said once he worked with them?
7. Hasn't it been refreshing that at least this lot have respected their gagging order or NDA. We don't know the terms of it, but we do know that both Fry and Pinnacle are behaving in the same way.
8. Isn't anyone else just getting to boiling point that some people on here, and other forums, seem to want to stick the knife into something we know nothing about. The only thing I know is we have a club next year with plans to rebuild it over 5 years. I say ***k the doubters, lets actually support MLT/Pinnacle, oh and finally
9. Do you really think that MLT would be involved with anyone who has anything other than SFC at heart? And by him being in the thick of it in his 'pivotal role', we can safely assume that he will not allow anyone to abuse his trust.

The end

Cheers, Lancelot. Nothing to argue about there. Personally, I'm really quite impressed by the way that this lot go about things. It bodes well IMO

Bailey · 7 June, 2009

Oh dear oh dear boys boys boys, when will some of you learn to stop being so mistrusting. Granted years of RL and his mob have undoubtedly ****ed everyones trust in mankind, but ask yourself these questions before jumping to grossly inaccurate conclusions:-

1. What does it matter who the person is (so long as its now Lowe or Wilde) as they have effectively saved our club?
2. Didn't I read OFFICIALLY and not a rumour that they have a 5 year aim at getting us back in the Premiership?
3. Didn't Mark Fry OFFICIALLY confirm that a 'substantial non-refundable deposit' be put down by Pinnacle?
4. Didn't Lynam go on record and say that MLT convinced him to bring this deal to the table
5. Didn't Lynam OFFICIALLY confirm yesterday on here that everything was going as it should be, legally!
6. How do we know that Lynam/Pinnacle are purely property brokers? From what I know, they're also financiers and have been in that game for 16 years or more. Maybe The Farmer can confirm this as he said once he worked with them?
7. Hasn't it been refreshing that at least this lot have respected their gagging order or NDA. We don't know the terms of it, but we do know that both Fry and Pinnacle are behaving in the same way.
8. Isn't anyone else just getting to boiling point that some people on here, and other forums, seem to want to stick the knife into something we know nothing about. The only thing I know is we have a club next year with plans to rebuild it over 5 years. I say ***k the doubters, lets actually support MLT/Pinnacle, oh and finally
9. Do you really think that MLT would be involved with anyone who has anything other than SFC at heart? And by him being in the thick of it in his 'pivotal role', we can safely assume that he will not allow anyone to abuse his trust.

The end

You are right Lance, I can confirm all of the above. The Pinnacle team have expertese and contacts in many areas and they have the acumen to deliver the goods. They are going about their business in the right fashion, working away behind closed doors getting the job done with the minimum of fuss. There will always be naysayers until everything is confirmed in black and white. Lowe and Wilde are history, which should give everyone renewed enthusiasm. A new chapter for the club is about to start with good people doing their best for the club and the fans.

To be fair, as LL rightly says, people are always going to doubt this deal as it almost sounds too good to be true. Add to that the fact that us fans have been lied to for years under the stewardship of Lowe and Wilde and you can understand why people are a little bit sceptical.

Once the deal is all signed, confirmed and finalised, I have no doubt in my mind that almost every Saints fan will be very grateful and optimistic for Saints' future, providing that Tony Lynam and Pinnacle are true to their word and have the club's best interests at heart.

Here's hoping anyway. The fact that we haven't heard anything from TL and Pinnacle is good IMO. Shows that they are going about their job in a professional manner and as the old saying goes, no news is good news. I remain cautiously optimistic, but the fact that Matt Le Tissier is happy with the bid reassures me immensely.

ANYWAY, enough speculation. We'll know when we know. I just hope and pray that the deal goes through without any problems so that we have a team to watch next season.

Saint Billy · 7 June, 2009

Oh dear oh dear boys boys boys, when will some of you learn to stop being so mistrusting. Granted years of RL and his mob have undoubtedly ****ed everyones trust in mankind, but ask yourself these questions before jumping to grossly inaccurate conclusions:-

1. What does it matter who the person is (so long as its now Lowe or Wilde) as they have effectively saved our club?
2. Didn't I read OFFICIALLY and not a rumour that they have a 5 year aim at getting us back in the Premiership?
3. Didn't Mark Fry OFFICIALLY confirm that a 'substantial non-refundable deposit' be put down by Pinnacle?
4. Didn't Lynam go on record and say that MLT convinced him to bring this deal to the table
5. Didn't Lynam OFFICIALLY confirm yesterday on here that everything was going as it should be, legally!
6. How do we know that Lynam/Pinnacle are purely property brokers? From what I know, they're also financiers and have been in that game for 16 years or more. Maybe The Farmer can confirm this as he said once he worked with them?
7. Hasn't it been refreshing that at least this lot have respected their gagging order or NDA. We don't know the terms of it, but we do know that both Fry and Pinnacle are behaving in the same way.
8. Isn't anyone else just getting to boiling point that some people on here, and other forums, seem to want to stick the knife into something we know nothing about. The only thing I know is we have a club next year with plans to rebuild it over 5 years. I say ***k the doubters, lets actually support MLT/Pinnacle, oh and finally
9. Do you really think that MLT would be involved with anyone who has anything other than SFC at heart? And by him being in the thick of it in his 'pivotal role', we can safely assume that he will not allow anyone to abuse his trust.

The end

Exactly!.

It seems that you will never be able to please everyone as far as saints as concerned.

All I can think about is that it was little over a week ago that I was contemplating life without saints which was extremely depressing.

dubai_phil · 8 June, 2009

Whoopee - I'm off to the Sandy Beach Hotel for the weekend with my daughter, her boyfriend and some mates.

Nice little bungalows on the beach with a BBQ area and great snorkelling, it is very popular with Ex Pats.

It is on the East Coast and we hear that the girls are really hip and we really dig those styles they wear

Scummer · 8 June, 2009

Whoopee - I'm off to the Sandy Beach Hotel for the weekend with my daughter, her boyfriend and some mates.

Nice little bungalows on the beach with a BBQ area and great snorkelling, it is very popular with Ex Pats.

It is on the East Coast and we hear that the girls are really hip and we really dig those styles they wear

Is that a totally random post, or are you dropping hints?

Are we being taken over by Brian Wilson?

hamster · 8 June, 2009

Is that a totally random post, or are you dropping hints?

Are we being taken over by Brian Wilson?

Or maybe it's Macca, didn't he write Back in the USSR as a homage to that song? Does Macca know any other big money people from the music industry who or is this all phantasy? Stop teasing us Philip ;-)

slickmick · 8 June, 2009

Is that a totally random post, or are you dropping hints?

Are we being taken over by Brian Wilson?

Or Dave Jones as manager.

dubai_phil · 8 June, 2009

How would I know anything.

Luckily I am going to the East Coast for the weekend and wasn't at Celtic Manor. I'd probably have got lost and needed someone to help me.

I know nuffink I've just hit my first ever not hit a sprinkler head or down wind 304 yard drive today. Way too busy for rumours - anyway that was Fleetwood Mac.

dubai_phil · 8 June, 2009

Or Dave Jones as manager.

No, come on everyone knows it's Dowie

Except the Pinnacle Group

Frank's cousin · 8 June, 2009

Propert consultant? Pinnacle are an Asset Management company so its not actually that odd that he would be involved in a bid - but it is interesting question about why he would then become a FC director with no experience etc.

dellboypete · 8 June, 2009

Whoopee - I'm off to the Sandy Beach Hotel for the weekend with my daughter, her boyfriend and some mates.

Nice little bungalows on the beach with a BBQ area and great snorkelling, it is very popular with Ex Pats.

It is on the East Coast and we hear that the girls are really hip and we really dig those styles they wear

Snoopy islands - should be good for basking sharks at this time of year - have fun!

Edited 9 June, 2009 by dellboypete

dubai_phil · 8 June, 2009

you don't mean the Filipina room maids I hope? Snoopy islands - should be good for basking sharks at this time of year - have fun!

Last time there we snorkelled with a big group of Black Tip Reef Sharks. The largest was getting on for a good 3 metres in length.

Looking forward to it - couple of the bungalows, stocked up on Rib Eyes & Booze and sun block, nice to get away from the internet for a weekend as well!

slickmick · 8 June, 2009

Last time there we snorkelled with a big group of Black Tip Reef Sharks. The largest was getting on for a good 3 metres in length.

Looking forward to it - couple of the bungalows, stocked up on Rib Eyes & Booze and sun block, nice to get away from the internet for a weekend as well!

Bungalows ?? Why do you keep mentioning that Phil ?

Third Division South Days · 8 June, 2009

Propert consultant? Pinnacle are an Asset Management company so its not actually that odd that he would be involved in a bid - but it is interesting question about why he would then become a FC director with no experience etc.

Hasn't TL aready given detail on his role in the new set up?

He will not be involved with football matters but will act as the go between football board and the owner, to keep him informed, and where necessary request the release of funds. He may well be no more titled than as a director.

hypochondriac · 8 June, 2009

It best not be Dan Williams/helpmerhonda/dainty dave

trousers · 8 June, 2009

It best not be Dan Williams/helpmerhonda/dainty dave

That's a bit left field.....or is it....? :confused:

saint_mears · 8 June, 2009

It best not be Dan Williams/helpmerhonda/dainty dave

Well not unless Marc Jackson asks them to pipe up again.

hypochondriac · 8 June, 2009

Was dan williams anything to do with marc jackson? I don't think so

Ludwig · 8 June, 2009

I'm pretty certain Dan Williams was on here winding people up/spreading false rumours a couple of weeks back. I don't think he's involved with Pinnacle.

hypochondriac · 8 June, 2009

It's daintydave. He better not be involved

Ludwig · 8 June, 2009

Yeah, I'd figured that. I misread your above post, sorry.

Mr Nice · 8 June, 2009

Was dan williams anything to do with marc jackson? I don't think so

How did he just appear on the scene in 2007 then ? think about it

hypochondriac · 8 June, 2009

He was totally seperate and was trying to use saints to get blackburn or may have been everton on the cheap. Unless you believe that everything is one big conspiracy and every loon who comes on the scene is somehow instructed by Jackson. People on this board worry me sometimes

hypochondriac · 8 June, 2009

Besides, he isn't exactly Jackson's biggest fan. Read daintydave's posts for confirmation of that

Mr Nice · 8 June, 2009

He was totally seperate and was trying to use saints to get blackburn or may have been everton on the cheap. Unless you believe that everything is one big conspiracy and every loon who comes on the scene is somehow instructed by Jackson. People on this board worry me sometimes

Trying to use Saints to get to blackburn ??

Sorry but he came on hear to wind people up and nothing more and was given a pointer to here by the photocopier salesman and his sidekick St David.

hypochondriac · 8 June, 2009

Jackson and David are both idiots but that isn't true

StuRomseySaint · 9 June, 2009

Andrew Lloyd Webber and/or Michael Tabor

No need to thank me.

thorpie the sinner · 9 June, 2009

Andrew Lloyd Webber and/or Michael Tabor

No need to thank me.

Keep believing Stu, all our dreams may come true!

miserableoldgit · 9 June, 2009

Keep believing Stu, all our dreams may come true!

Bombay Dreams?

wireframebox · 9 June, 2009

Whoopee - I'm off to the Sandy Beach Hotel for the weekend with my daughter, her boyfriend and some mates.

Nice little bungalows on the beach with a BBQ area and great snorkelling, it is very popular with Ex Pats.

It is on the East Coast and we hear that the girls are really hip and we really dig those styles they wear

Are you alluding to San Jose in California there somehow?

Wade Garrett · 9 June, 2009

Andrew Lloyd Webber and/or Michael Tabor

No need to thank me.

I've heard that it is Brian Cant and Floella Benjamin.

krissyboy31 · 9 June, 2009

I've heard that it is Brian Cant and Floella Benjamin.

They'll be useful when we "Playaway!"

Wade Garrett · 9 June, 2009

They'll be useful when we "Playaway!"

Like it.

St Nias · 9 June, 2009

Anyone else heard it might be Richard Branson? This rumour resurfaced today from a paramedic who claims to work at St Mary's? Dont shoot the messenger.....

Delmary · 9 June, 2009

Anyone else heard it might be Richard Branson? This rumour resurfaced today from a paramedic who claims to work at St Mary's? Dont shoot the messenger.....

Bang:smt072 :rock: :snipe:

Master Bates · 9 June, 2009

Bang:smt072 :rock: :snipe:

:smt071:smt070:smt067:minigun:

miserableoldgit · 9 June, 2009

Bang:smt072 :rock: :snipe:

Is this a Yes or a No then?

Who is he?

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