Whitey Grandad Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Adante? Avanti! avanti! I do hope he didn't mean andante. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 A better letter it would have been difficult to imagine. Great news, but personally I'm also leaving the champagne on ice until it's all gone through. Then we can start the rebuilding process, without, I would suggest, Wotte at the helm. Here! Here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Surely one of the challenges for the next 19 days (& counting) will be to identify a new/keep existing manager. Is this something MLT will be doing or confirming if already decided? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 If Le God will be overseeing footballing decisions, I would expect either Magilton or Dowie to be our manager next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Surely one of the challenges for the next 19 days (& counting) will be to identify a new/keep existing manager. Is this something MLT will be doing or confirming if already decided? Must be. New manager will be the result, sooner rather than later please as we have some players to buy. Cant keep the current eejit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I would be very surprised if he hasn't sorted the mortgage out in one foul swoop! Andy - I am assuming that the price "paid" to acquire the club includes paying off both Barclays and Aviva so in effect we are now debt free. For that we should be grateful but let's not forget the fans no longer own the club or have any rights or say in how it should be run. Thank you both, that was my take on it and my hope! Duncan, as to fans having no say, did we really have a say previously anyway? I would hope that the new owner would continue in the current vein started by Tony's message. I'm sure that Tony would have consulted him prior to saying anything and that in doing so will have sown the seeds of dialogue between Club and fans. Onwards and upwards, the most positive I have felt for some three or so years now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Thank you both, that was my take on it and my hope! Duncan, as to fans having no say, did we really have a say previously anyway? I would hope that the new owner would continue in the current vein started by Tony's message. I'm sure that Tony would have consulted him prior to saying anything and that in doing so will have sown the seeds of dialogue between Club and fans. Onwards and upwards, the most positive I have felt for some three or so years now! No more plc. No more boardroom squabbles. One owner pulling the club in one direction with MLT well and truly front and centre and up for the best for the club. Personally, I love the idea of not having debt and seeing Lowe's plc die has been, well... sweet. As you say .. onwards and upwards... but with the right experienced manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi-skacel Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I think mr nice has got the wrong user name,seems a very arrogant poster,assuming people are thick or stupid for not understanding his post correctly,no need for name calling mate!seems you have got off on the wrong foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I think mr nice has got the wrong user name,seems a very arrogant poster,assuming people are thick or stupid for not understanding his post correctly,no need for name calling mate!seems you have got off on the wrong foot. He probably got off on just the foot he intended to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mike Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Fantastic news ... I rarely post, but some things just need recognition. I was beginning to think my unborn child was going to be born into a world without my beloved saints, now I can buy that 1st saints shirt so they can have the same years of roller coaster emotions as I have had. Even better though they are going to be starting from a position where everything will be moving upwards, happy days! I have no questions to ask about managers, appeals and players. If that letter shows anything it is that we finally have people in charge who understand what it is to support a football team and I for one intend to trust their judgement and let them get on with running the team, while I back the Red and White ... COYR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Andy - I am assuming that the price "paid" to acquire the club includes paying off both Barclays and Aviva so in effect we are now debt free. For that we should be grateful but let's not forget the fans no longer own the club or have any rights or say in how it should be run. This is a good point. In among all the relief etc, it would be great if a really solid structure could be set in place for an eventual buyout by a fans trust, or whatever, some years from now. It really should not be beyond our calabilities to create a fund that would buy the club at a going rate in a few years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 This is a good point. In among all the relief etc, it would be great if a really solid structure could be set in place for an eventual buyout by a fans trust, or whatever, some years from now. It really should not be beyond our calabilities to create a fund that would buy the club at a going rate in a few years time. Please God NO! Hate to post something negative on an otherwise positive thread, but for goodness sake we've only just got rid of a hugely fragemented and divided organisation and you want another?!? Look we're not out of the woods yet - let's have our takeover...try and get out of L1 with our potential owner and be thankful we've got a club to support. Leave the running of the club to others and when we climb back into the Prem somewhen in the future perhaps an even wealthier benefactor will buy us out. Please - no weird utopian socialist dreams here - keep it real. Who knows, perhaps Matt and his backer will be able to take us to the promised land such that the club will not need to be sold on our lifetime and we can unite behind them. Now THAT is a worthy dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 This is a good point. In among all the relief etc, it would be great if a really solid structure could be set in place for an eventual buyout by a fans trust, or whatever, some years from now. It really should not be beyond our calabilities to create a fund that would buy the club at a going rate in a few years time. Oh jesus please no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 This universal outpouring of joy is pretty amazing. Consider the facts: 1. We have no idea who our owner is. 2. We have no idea who the manager will be. 3. We have no idea who the players will be. 4. We have no idea about whoever has taken us over's short or long term plans. 5. The only communication has been a Mike Wilde-style letter The takeover isn't even complete, and one has to wonder exactly why it took this long - is the new guy really committed to Saints? He might be, he might not be - I hope it is the former but nobody has any idea. So why the outpouring of joy? The other bids might easily have been better for the football club and fans, but this one was the best for the creditors. I don't know one way or the other but history has taught us Saints fans that dropping your pants and jumping into bed in delight without knowing the full details is fraught with repercussions down the line. Thank you Mr. Glass Half Empty! Would you prefer that no one came in and we just went to the wall? Jeez... The facts are - * We have survived - our club is still alive * We (subject to the next 19 days) have a new owner * We have had a very informal communication from Tony Lynam giving us what information he can currently (and I actually liked it as it was so UN-Wilde like!), notably - * The new owner has a worth of "several hundred million" * MLT is going to be heavily involved * Due Diligence is done, just a case of finalising legal work, paying creditors (amounts already agreed). That is good enough for me, and certainly reason enough to feel cautiously optimistic!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 This is a good point. In among all the relief etc, it would be great if a really solid structure could be set in place for an eventual buyout by a fans trust, or whatever, some years from now. It really should not be beyond our calabilities to create a fund that would buy the club at a going rate in a few years time. No thanks. Call me old fashioned, but I'd much rather we had a multi-millionaire behind us, rather than us fans having to fork out again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 No thanks. Call me old fashioned, but I'd much rather we had a multi-millionaire behind us, rather than us fans having to fork out again... I agree. Fans ownership of a club DOES NOT WORK (in most cases with the exception of Barcelona ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I suspect he is getting it out in the open early unlike "Mike". To think I once gotted banned from this forum for mentioning Wilde was a Liverpool fan lol ! I remember those times well Manji. It's good see we're beginning to unite as a fanbase again now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 This is a good point. In among all the relief etc, it would be great if a really solid structure could be set in place for an eventual buyout by a fans trust, or whatever, some years from now. It really should not be beyond our calabilities to create a fund that would buy the club at a going rate in a few years time. No - I think I would prefer our rich new owner to sell to an even richer new owner. Fans trust to own the club would never generate enough money to stay in the league let alone League 1. It would cause further disunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I am well well happy, relived and not sure we could of had a better statement. Its a long journey I hope to enjoy. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I remember those times well Manji. It's good see we're beginning to unite as a fanbase again now. It is good to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Nice Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I think mr nice has got the wrong user name,seems a very arrogant poster,assuming people are thick or stupid for not understanding his post correctly,no need for name calling mate!seems you have got off on the wrong foot. Hardly arrogant, just bemused by how people 'twist' what i actually said. So yes some fans are thick and stupid as seen by their responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 This is a good point. In among all the relief etc, it would be great if a really solid structure could be set in place for an eventual buyout by a fans trust, or whatever, some years from now. It really should not be beyond our calabilities to create a fund that would buy the club at a going rate in a few years time. Everyone (nearly) is being positive. Never, Ever mention a fans trust again please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I've only just read the post from Tony and it was a fantastic relief to hear such positive news. I don't expect things on the footballing side to turn around overnight, so to hear a message talking about building for the long term is really encouraging. As somebody sadi earlier on this thread - now we can start thinking about football once again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Everyone (nearly) is being positive. Never, Ever mention a fans trust again please. Agreed. I forget about illingsworth and his mates. They'll be going out of their way to hoodwink the new owner into thinking they are popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Hardly arrogant, just bemused by how people 'twist' what i actually said. So yes some fans are thick and stupid as seen by their responses. Here is my only reply to any of your posts - all of which I have read. I am neither thick nor stupid. I have supported Saints for over 50 years. I have taken the rough and the smooth. I am overjoyed that we have someone who may just save us from being extinct. MLT is the player that has given me most joy over all of the time that I have supported Saints (and believe me I have probably seen more good players for the club than you have). I trust that he would not support a bid that would not be the right one for the club. Please go away and let us real supporters enjoy a rare moment of pleasure without your pathetic "I am right and you are all stupid" agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Tony, Matt and "mystery man" I love you all! Key things I want to know 1) Will there be an appeal and if so how confident are you of success? 2) Will there be a new management team? 3) Will Matt be football board chairman or a different role? 4) Is there any chance the group of four may come back together or other people join the party and invest? 5) Any chance of getting Mr Strachan back? 6) Any chance of us beating Portsmouth to getting a place on the World Cup 2018 bid? This is why I was one of those people on here who said that administration would be the best possible outcome some months ago. I have had the last laugh over the minority on here who tried to make me and others of a similar viewpoint look foolish when publicly it looked unlikley we would get a buyer. Anyway - enough of that - I have been waiting a while to say that though. This really is excellent news - one buyer is precisely what we need. The day the PLC is delisted and the takeover is complete will be a very happy day indeed - the start of something potentially very exciting - a proud club, whose fans can proudly go to games again, our living legend influencing decisions at the highest level and above all else a club we can once again feel part of. Is it just me or does anyone else feel like a fan rather than a customer right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Thank you Mr. Glass Half Empty! Would you prefer that no one came in and we just went to the wall? Jeez... The facts are - * We have survived - our club is still alive * We (subject to the next 19 days) have a new owner * We have had a very informal communication from Tony Lynam giving us what information he can currently (and I actually liked it as it was so UN-Wilde like!), notably - * The new owner has a worth of "several hundred million" * MLT is going to be heavily involved * Due Diligence is done, just a case of finalising legal work, paying creditors (amounts already agreed). That is good enough for me, and certainly reason enough to feel cautiously optimistic!! Spot on mate - some people on here are nver happy. This letter from Lynham is the best thing I've read on here - EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 This is a good point. In among all the relief etc, it would be great if a really solid structure could be set in place for an eventual buyout by a fans trust, or whatever, some years from now. It really should not be beyond our calabilities to create a fund that would buy the club at a going rate in a few years time. Why the heck are some people wishing the club to be sold on again even before the new owner has had a chance to stamp his authority on the club. He may be similar to the Everton Chairman Bill Kenwright who loves his club and has always helped to keep his club in the top flight. I say we need to look LONG term with our new owner, not all be expecting instant success, build on what we have, look to be out of league 1 in two years if not one and back in the top flight within a further 3 years, as long as the club is moving forward I will be happy, come to think of it just seeing us win some games at home next season will make me happy as that will be an improvement on the dross that a PLC has served up for in the last 2 years. New owner I say welcome you will have my support, I do not expect instant success, I expect to see a slow but steady improvement in the football, and Tony Lynham my thanks for at least helping to sort out the deal that will give my grandson a team to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Here is my only reply to any of your posts - all of which I have read. I am neither thick nor stupid. I have supported Saints for over 50 years. I have taken the rough and the smooth. I am overjoyed that we have someone who may just save us from being extinct. MLT is the player that has given me most joy over all of the time that I have supported Saints (and believe me I have probably seen more good players for the club than you have). I trust that he would not support a bid that would not be the right one for the club. Please go away and let us real supporters enjoy a rare moment of pleasure without your pathetic "I am right and you are all stupid" agenda. He's a skate on a wind-up. Just use the ignore function. Reading his posts will only encourage the pillock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 (edited) No more plc. No more boardroom squabbles. One owner pulling the club in one direction with MLT well and truly front and centre and up for the best for the club. Personally, I love the idea of not having debt and seeing Lowe's plc die has been, well... sweet. As you say .. onwards and upwards... but with the right experienced manager!+1 nothing give's me more satisfaction than knowing that the people who were here just to line they're pockets, and they know who they are (Askham , Richards, Lowe, Cowen ect) will get nearly nothing for they're ill gotten gains. They're greed should be top billing in any Saints history or other clubs book, on what happens when pocket liners run your club, and where it leads. We should never ommit or forget this chapter in our history. NEVER! Edited 1 June, 2009 by SOTONS EAST SIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 +1 nothing give's me more satisfacation than knowing that the people who were here just to line they're pockets, and they know who they are (Askham , Richards, Lowe, Cowen ect) will get nearly nothing for they're ill gotten gains. They're greed should be top billing in any Saints history or other clubs book, on what happens when pocket liners run your club, and where it leads. We should never ommit or forget this chapter in our history. NEVER! They should be banned from st. marys for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Agreed. I forget about illingsworth and his mates. They'll be going out of their way to hoodwink the new owner into thinking they are popular. I don't agree with a lot of what Illingsworth says, or writes on the Ugly Inside. I have no doubt though, that he has the club at heart. Saw him collecting on the last day of the season, and getting a bit of grief for his troubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 I don't agree with a lot of what Illingsworth says, or writes on the Ugly Inside. I have no doubt though, that he has the club at heart. Saw him collecting on the last day of the season, and getting a bit of grief for his troubles. Well that was a stupid idea wasnt it. It was never going to raise enough to make a difference and it was always likely we would get taken over by someone IMO. Either we were going to get taken over or we werent and no amount of collections was going to make a difference. I hope now that they see sense and the saints trust is disbanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 +1 nothing give's me more satisfacation than knowing that the people who were here just to line they're pockets, and they know who they are (Askham , Richards, Lowe, Cowen ect) will get nearly nothing for they're ill gotten gains. They're greed should be top billing in any Saints history or other clubs book, on what happens when pocket liners run your club, and where it leads. We should never ommit or forget this chapter in our history. NEVER! Spot on. Those self-serving, loathsome figures should never darken our St Marys doorstep again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Well that was a stupid idea wasnt it. It was never going to raise enough to make a difference and it was always likely we would get taken over by someone IMO. Either we were going to get taken over or we werent and no amount of collections was going to make a difference. I hope now that they see sense and the saints trust is disbanded. Maybe not. But is does demonstrate his feelings for the club. He didn't deserve the stick he got for that. At least he wasn't doing it for personal gain, unlike some chancers recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Maybe not. But is does demonstrate his feelings for the club. He didn't deserve the stick he got for that. At least he wasn't doing it for personal gain, unlike some chancers recently. So he's ended up with a load of money that recession hit fans have forked out under the mistaken impression that they were saving the club. What's going to happen to it all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 So he's ended up with a load of money that recession hit fans have forked out under the mistaken impression that they were saving the club. What's going to happen to it all? Your like a dog with a bone you boring git. Maybe Jackson will ask for it, you know, the freeloader that sucked you in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel1961red Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Thank you soo much for giving us some good news for a change I must admit I was getting really worried rumour has it that some of the northstand was being given over to the away fans and as a season ticking holder for ten years in that stand I do not relish the thought at having to move from my spot in block 42 we are united in that stand and have supported that team through thick and thin, please make sure that it remains the North Stand for the home supporters cant wait till the season tickets come out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 some fans are thick and stupid as seen by their responses. Perhaps Mr Nice should change his forum ID? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 (edited) Well that was a stupid idea wasnt it. It was never going to raise enough to make a difference and it was always likely we would get taken over by someone IMO. Either we were going to get taken over or we werent and no amount of collections was going to make a difference. I hope now that they see sense and the saints trust is disbanded. Can you have a trust without any shares anyway? I think now would be a good time to ditch the trust, SISA etc and just form a fans group without any of the politics. I think there is always a need for the fans to have a voice. Oh and well done Le God, Tony Lynam and mystery money man. Hopefully this will be all sorted in the next few days and you will be legends. Edited 31 May, 2009 by aintforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Your like a dog with a bone you boring git. Maybe Jackson will ask for it, you know, the freeloader that sucked you in. Thanks for the insult. Just because I have a different opinion to yourself. Of course Nick thought he was helping, but he really irks me when he continually blames the fans who IMO have put up with a lot more than most clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 So he's ended up with a load of money that recession hit fans have forked out under the mistaken impression that they were saving the club. What's going to happen to it all? There is no way NI should be slated for what he has tried to do to help keep this club afloat. I've known him for many years and he bleeds red and white. I don't agree with his political views on the club and the sidling up to Lowe and Wilde and trying to get the fan on the board but he has put in hours of his free time to help with the fund raising including the Saints Aid day. I don't know if you were there but all of the guys involved in arranging that deserve our thanks and our praise for the work they put in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Can you have a trust without any shares anyway? I think now would be a good time to ditch the trust, SISA etc and just form a fans group without any of the politics. I think there is always a need for the fans to have a voice. Agreed. If there was just a fans group open to everyone without any fan on the board agendas I would be the first to sign up. Don't need anyone speaking on behalf of their members though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Thanks for the insult. Just because I have a different opinion to yourself. Of course Nick thought he was helping, but he really irks me when he continually blames the fans who IMO have put up with a lot more than most clubs. No problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 There is no way NI should be slated for what he has tried to do to help keep this club afloat. I've known him for many years and he bleeds red and white. I don't agree with his political views on the club and the sidling up to Lowe and Wilde and trying to get the fan on the board but he has put in hours of his free time to help with the fund raising including the Saints Aid day. I don't know if you were there but all of the guys involved in arranging that deserve our thanks and our praise for the work they put in. Agreed. I disagree with almost everything he writes, but he still has his heart in the right place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 There is no way NI should be slated for what he has tried to do to help keep this club afloat. I've known him for many years and he bleeds red and white. I don't agree with his political views on the club and the sidling up to Lowe and Wilde and trying to get the fan on the board but he has put in hours of his free time to help with the fund raising including the Saints Aid day. I don't know if you were there but all of the guys involved in arranging that deserve our thanks and our praise for the work they put in. Saints Aid was great but ultimately it failed in its aims to raise finance for the club. I don't criticise the obvious effort and commitment but I suggest that the idea in the first place was misguided. Surely they saw the scale of the task and realised that they would neverever be able to save the club or even scratch the surface? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Agreed. I disagree with almost everything he writes, but he still has his heart in the right place. Agreed but being misguided can actually do more harm than good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Saints Aid was great but ultimately it failed in its aims to raise finance for the club. I don't criticise the obvious effort and commitment but I suggest that the idea in the first place was misguided. Surely they saw the scale of the task and realised that they would neverever be able to save the club or even scratch the surface? Have you ever thought that maybe it's because of the passion of people like Nick, Derry, Simon, Lee etc. that potential investors saw that this club is actually worth saving? If everybody had the attitude accepting our fate, we could be dead and buried by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 Have you ever thought that maybe it's because of the passion of people like Nick, Derry, Simon, Lee etc. that potential investors saw that this club is actually worth saving? If everybody had the attitude accepting our fate, we could be dead and buried by now. It's possible but I reckon unlikely. Multi millionaires aren't going to sign up because they see some fans rattling buckets. IMO we would have got bought whatever the fans did so no we wouldn't be dead and buried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 May, 2009 Share Posted 31 May, 2009 the crowds at the end of the season may have helped, the buckets? - waste of time and money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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