Chez Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 ******** after the **** he's put in over the last couple of seasons he deserves all the stick he gets just like any other player who pulled on the shirt last season. It's not like he even tried hard half the time. Lets see how long it takes before you are slating the next batch. England U21 internationals are few and far between in League 1. I think you are kidding yourself if you think we will offload and then find better players to come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Lallana & Surman have more class than any players in League One, if we were to sell them it is likely we would replace them with far more limited players. That said in my opinion (sorry Chez) they are 2 of a number of players that were spineless for much of the season and did not look interested. Funnily enough Lallana put in his best shift for months vs Burnley (scouts there anyone?!) & played like his life depended on it. If only he & Surman & certain culprits had shown that level of comittment throughout the season we would of stayed up, no contest. Actions speak louder than words. Moving forward the key to getting us back up is total commitment, I would sacrifice their undoubted qualities for a limited honest bunch who will fight for the shirt (which I have witnessed many times from the opposition this season). If they had a change of attitude I would be delighted but sadly I feel they have shown their true colours this season....and they are not red & white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 crap season, decent player not sure he would want to move so far away though, Reading much more likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Lets see how long it takes before you are slating the next batch. England U21 internationals are few and far between in League 1. I think you are kidding yourself if you think we will offload and then find better players to come in. I agree with you in principle Chez. I hope we keep players like Lallana, Surman and DMG. However if someone were to come in with a decent offer (I'd say £1m for the first two, £500k for DMG) I'd probably take it. I reckon a shrewd manager could get a couple of decent midfielders, a couple of experienced defenders and a striker who could get us a few goals next season. For all the moaning about Saga's drought at the end of last season, 6 goals from open play only puts him behind DMG. If selling Surman for £1m means we can sign Saeijs for £500k then I'd take that. I don't think Wotte is the right manager, but that's a different thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Think this part of your comment is a bit harsh IMO. If anything, Surman's form has suffered because he's been trying too hard! He's a committed Saints fan who wants what's best for Southampton Football Club. And as for saying you can't wait until we find someone to take him off our hands, well lets see if you stand by that comment when we lose Drew and we sign an older replacement with half the ability of Surman. What with all the problems our club is going through at the minute, it could be some time before we see a former England Under-21 international playing in a Saints shirt again. Lol, won't offer the club his wages. Great fan he is. Very committed. If I was a Saints player, earning cash like he is.. I would give some of it to the club and I think I speak for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Paul C Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I can't believe that we're prepared to sell that cheap - he's worth loads more. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I have been a ST holder for the last 2yrs. Surman is our best outfield player and I would hate to see him go for £1m. Most of our good forward moves go through him, he can play CM, LM or LB - better than the majority of all the other players in our squad, has passion and cares about the club. Yes, he lacks pace, but he has genuine class about him. All the people that slag off Surman are probably the same that cheered the two most over-hyped players our club has seen in recent history - Skacel and Wright-Phillips - louder than any other player for the last 2yrs... Just don't get it You will always get 180 degree opposite views on here - thats how it is. I totally agree with you fwiw you normally don't appreciate something until its gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 IMO some fans appear to be confusing playing poorly and not trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I know the game and this board is about opinions but **** all of you that slate Surman. He gave his ****ing all this season in every single game. I won't deny he didn't perform the entire season (and likewise the season before but he was good in patches and no one is going to tell me that he does not try. Let me add that he offers real quality (not many other do at SFC) and when he is gone and we replace him with moe **** like Holmes or Wotton then don't come crying to me. We should do everything in our power to keep him and Lallana. If you sell the last remnants of quality then you will be left with dross. He's worth several million in my opinion, administration or no administration. Several million? I would wager that clubs sniffing around a player like Drew who currently plies his trade for a club on the verge of liquidation would offer considerably less than what he is 'worth'. I know what you mean about losing the quality - I felt the same at the precise point of the beginning of our descent - when we sold Bridge - but I'm afraid Drew's style (pretty lightweight) will not go very far IMHO. Still, it might be that he just needs a change, like so many players that get sucked into the Lowe-pit that is SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Ridiculous. Sorry, but he is quality player... local lad... and good luck to him if he goes. Deserves better than his own fans slagging him off. Why? Are fans not allowed a different opinion to you? I've probably seen Surman a hell of a lot more than you have (every game), and the fact is he has been poor for the last two years. For every good game there is about four or five bad ones that follow. In the last two years how often has Surman taken the game by the scruff of the neck and really influenced things for us? Why should he be immune for critcism on here just because he is a local lad? It's not like he's being booed at games, just criticized by some on a message board, what's wrong with that? Isn't that what this place is for? It's perfectly reasonable for people to criticize Surman if they want to. To say it makes them bad fans for doing do is absurd. I guarantee if Surman was a journeyman foreigner he would have had it far worse. Some people defend him just because he is a local lad, of that I have no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Funny how Surman is rated by football experts round the land and yet despite him being a local lad, Saints supporter, and scoring 7 goals from midfield for us last season for a struggling side, there are some idiots on here who slag him off at every opportunity. Sometimes I think some of our fans deserve not to have a team to support. What a ridiculous thing to say. Fans spend hundreds, if not thousands following Saints, and if they don't think someone is good enough they are perfectly in their right to criticize someone. To say they don't deserve to have a team to support for having a different opinion to you is ridiculous. There's plenty of people who are now recognising Surman for the overrated pile of garbage that he is. That's two bad seasons in a row. How long do we have to wait before he is deemed not good enough? I pray to god he is gone in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 It doesn't - that's why I mention that actually in a struggling side that couldn't buy a goal he scored seven. From midfield. That is more then testiment to the fact that whatever idiots on here think he is a decent footballer, maybe not Premiership standard but about the best we have. Its becuase people who WATCH HIM HIM EVERY WEEK can quite clearly see he is very average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Its becuase people who WATCH HIM HIM EVERY WEEK can quite clearly see he is very average. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 What a ridiculous thing to say. Fans spend hundreds, if not thousands following Saints, and if they don't think someone is good enough they are perfectly in their right to criticize someone. To say they don't deserve to have a team to support for having a different opinion to you is ridiculous. There's plenty of people who are now recognising Surman for the overrated pile of garbage that he is. That's two bad seasons in a row. How long do we have to wait before he is deemed not good enough? I pray to god he is gone in the summer. Thanks for summing up neatly the ridiculous conceited uber fan attitude. 7 goals. From midfield. In a side that struggled all season. Our highest rated midfielder in the Actim Index (which admittedly isn't saying much!). Yeah obviously he's ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Thanks for summing up neatly the ridiculous conceited uber fan attitude. 7 goals. From midfield. In a side that struggled all season. Our highest rated midfielder in the Actim Index (which admittedly isn't saying much!). Yeah obviously he's ****. Have you actually seen him play this season? Stats can tell you a lot of things. He's had far more bad games than good. Please tell me which games he has played really well and influenced things for us this season? Uber fan? You're the one who thinks some people don't deserve a club, just because they think someone is a bad player and you think he is a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 He's our best midfielder, I really hope he stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Its becuase people who WATCH HIM HIM EVERY WEEK can quite clearly see he is very average. I watch him every week and I think he is decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I watch him every week and I think he is decent. You're open to your opinion of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 You're open to your opinion of course... why thank you kind sir. Hows about tellng me what you think of Saga, Skacel, Perry, McGoldrick and Lallana which will enable me to gauge the value of your own `Surman' opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I've watched him every week and have come to the conclusion that the majority of our fans who think he is guff are retarded. Not had the best season but quite clearly a level above League 1 and the majority if not all of our other players. When he's a success in a decent championship team like Newcastle or Reading we shall see how many of these people come back and say letting him go for a cheap price was stupid and Lowe's fault somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 why thank you kind sir. Hows about tellng me what you think of Saga, Skacel, Perry, McGoldrick and Lallana which will enable me to gauge the value of your own `Surman' opinion. Jesus, Saga - Decent player, a little slow and seems to blow very hot and cold. On form very good Championship striker. Skecel - Flatters to decieve, seems to have all he need to be good, but somehow, isnt. Perry - Steady and solid, like he has been for the million years he seems to have been around for, jsut a bit slower these days. McGoldrick - Lots a promise, gets a lot of stick for looking like he inst trying. Probably a bit harsh. I'm sure he will go on to be a good player. Probably not with us. Lallana - Would love to see him turn into the player he obvioulsy has the potential to be. However at the moment all it is is promise. Glimpses at best of how good he could be. Surnam - Overated. Nice passer on occasion, but not enough. Everybody rattles on about his delivery, however it is so often a long way off. He is also possibly the slowest man on two legs. I do hope i passed you test, i don't know what i'd do if i didnt gain your approval of my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 When he's a success in a decent championship team like Newcastle or Reading we shall see how many of these people come back and say letting him go for a cheap price was stupid and Lowe's fault somehow. This attitude is so wrong it's untrue, he may well and probably will go on to bigger and better things but it clearly isn't working out for him here so we're better off getting rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the scud Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Would happily take £1 million for surman, north east clubs in England do like to pay more don't they just like sunderland. Surman is over rated and IMO that is a great offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Surman would be a good League 1 player for us. If we're serious about getting out of this league quick and up to the CCC we need to keep Surman. To be fair to Surman he was only as good as his manager was this season. Decent manager would have the Surmans and BWPs firing in League 1. I hope we keep him. We need to build a team round our best. Sadly Surman is now one of our best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 This was announced before our news yesterday, so would take all with a pinch of salt. Personaly think we should try and keep hold of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Why? Are fans not allowed a different opinion to you? I've probably seen Surman a hell of a lot more than you have (every game), and the fact is he has been poor for the last two years. For every good game there is about four or five bad ones that follow. In the last two years how often has Surman taken the game by the scruff of the neck and really influenced things for us? Why should he be immune for critcism on here just because he is a local lad? It's not like he's being booed at games, just criticized by some on a message board, what's wrong with that? Isn't that what this place is for? It's perfectly reasonable for people to criticize Surman if they want to. To say it makes them bad fans for doing do is absurd. I guarantee if Surman was a journeyman foreigner he would have had it far worse. Some people defend him just because he is a local lad, of that I have no doubt. Well done, you probably have... but on the flipside, it doesn't make your opinion any more important than mine. The jist of my comment on this thread is through the anger of continuously reading people being needlessly critical of some of the players who have actually cared. Like Chez says, I think people on here confuse not trying with playing poorly. Irrespective, if we are to be as one next year, we are really going to have to cut out the reactionary drivel and give these players the backing they deserve. Unfortunately, there are so many people in a rut with complaining, whinging and *****ing that I can only hope this takeover completely galvanises their attitudes. I suppose it's just a case of having to agree to disagree... whilst I am infuriated some of our pathetic players are still drawing undeserved wages from the club, I count Surman as one of the few who does deserve better... even if he has been underpar in recent months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 If he moves up north half the bars in Bournemouth will go bust. Pulis.Lallana and Surman kept most of the bars in Business every ****ing week. He can **** off with half of the over paid *****s. Ahh..not just me who was told that then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eharty9 Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 You obviously haven't been a season ticket holder in the past 2 years im sorry but surman technically is a quality player. to those of us who know about that side of football are in awe of his ability and we would be robbed for 1 million! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 im sorry but surman technically is a quality player. to those of us who know about that side of football are in awe of his ability and we would be robbed for 1 million! In awe of his ability? Seriously? Are you Surmans Mum or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickety Posted 1 June, 2009 Share Posted 1 June, 2009 Or off to Forest?... http://www.forest.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=156220 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 Or off to Forest?... http://www.forest.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=156220 I could just about handle losing Surman to Newcastle, but not to Forest. I really hope this isn't true. In an ideal world, Surman will give us another season, especially now we're (hopefully) going to have new owners and new ambition. He'd be first-class in League One and I'd be gutted to see him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 May not be a world beater but still a decent player who will be very good in league 1. He is the creative type of player needed in league 1 in order to grind results out. For me a average championship player but important to hang onto this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcowzer Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 May not be a world beater but still a decent player who will be very good in league 1. He is the creative type of player needed in league 1 in order to grind results out. For me a average championship player but important to hang onto this season. If Surman signs for Newcastle then he should be certified. They are a complete bunch of tossers and nearly as bad as our neighbours along the M27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSt Peter Saint Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 If we get a decent manager in with some tactical nous who's able to get the best out of creative players, then Surman should thrive. If it's Wotte, we might as well sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 He'll fit in well with their gutless displays recently. He fitted in well with our poor displays last season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 £1 million for Surman is a fantastic offer for a very average player...... take it....please! I am glad none of you will ever conduct negotiations on behalf of this club. Now where are you going to get a player as good as he is for less that £1m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 I watch him every week and I think he is decent. + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 who will hit our free kicks into their wall now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 2 June, 2009 Share Posted 2 June, 2009 who will hit our free kicks into their wall now? and our corner kicks straight into touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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