Is SMS built on an ancient burial ground ...

[Micky]

Burial ground or not - spirits' date=' ghost and curses - total and utter sh i te - we have not got into this position through bad luck, curses or pompey shirts - we got into this by having players off form and a manager who did not give a toss in that last prem season, and being crap since and not managing the finances properly...[/quote']

 

Ahhhh back to reality - TFF that though....

[Frank's cousin]

Ahhhh back to reality - TFF that though....

 

Sorry... ;-)

 

Just really get wound up by woo woo nonsense - 'because its ALWAYS about the money....'

[SaintRobbie]

The only curse on Southampton FC was Lowe. It was lifted by Barclays Bank plc, God bless them! Exorcists they are!

[dubai_phil]

I vaguely recall (through the mists of a large Johnnie Walker) that there was some discussion on here about the White Witch and what happened afterwards.

 

Wasn't it mentioned that there was some problem with the club not acknowledging her or even maybe not paying her taxi fare and she undid her work?

 

Now, with many years experience in multinational corparations behind me, I would be the last one to blame our demise on anything other than bad decision making, but I have learnt in that time that a positive attitude and karma do have a part to play.

 

I have long been an advocate of welcoming the White Witch back to SMS and using ANY tools to improve the mental state of our players

[DrZuess1979 the 2nd]

I vaguely recall (through the mists of a large Johnnie Walker) that there was some discussion on here about the White Witch and what happened afterwards.

 

Wasn't it mentioned that there was some problem with the club not acknowledging her or even maybe not paying her taxi fare and she undid her work?

 

Now, with many years experience in multinational corparations behind me, I would be the last one to blame our demise on anything other than bad decision making, but I have learnt in that time that a positive attitude and karma do have a part to play.

 

I have long been an advocate of welcoming the White Witch back to SMS and using ANY tools to improve the mental state of our players

 

 

Didnt we already try that with woodwood the overpaid, work experience rugby bloke ?

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

1. Is there a God?

 

2. If there were a God would he/she/it neccessarily be omniscient and omnipotent or indeed the only such God?

 

3. If so, is there any evidence to suggest that such a God has adopted an interventionist stance towards the world/universe?

 

4. Even if there were to be an omniscient, omnipotent, interventionist God, do you think that, assuming scarcity of remedial prowess and the need for some sort of rationing mechanism, such a God would devote his resources to reviving Southampton Football Club's fortunes in the face of terrible human suffering caused by human acts such as war, torture, oppression as well as "natural" disasters like earthquakes, floods and tsunamis whose origins are more cosmic in scale?

 

5. Would you accept League 1 football or even liquidation and the Blue Square as the price for the alleviation of the suffering of a single one of such a God's subjects?

 

In my opinion (and I believe we all need to work out what we believe for ourselves, so I am happy to say what I believe and put a case for it, but I'm not going to try to force anyone to believe it!):

 

1. Yes.

 

2. Omniscient, omnipotent and the only God. The issue of God's gender is a red herring so I will leave that one!

 

3. Jesus is 'probably' the main example of this! Also, actions of Christians serving God in all sorts of caring activities, charities, etc. Also the acts of others - who's to say God only uses those that believe in him to achieve his works? And then there's people who have been healed and stuff. Plus many people will tell of their own experiences of God at work in their lives and the lives of others around them, etc.

 

4. If he is omniscient that means he is everywhere, if he is omnipotent, that means he is all powerful; on the basis of those two things, where would the "scarcity of remedial prowess and the need for some sort of rationing mechanism" be? There would be no such scarcity and there would be no need for a rationing mechanism. And God is just as concerned with the trivialities of everyday life as he is with macro-level disasters. The bible has numerous examples of God providing food, etc. for nobodies (like a widow and her son who had run out of food; like some shade so that a rebellious prophet could have a rest out of the sun, etc.) so yes, God is interested in SFC!

 

5. As explained above there would be no such trade off, but if there were, yes I would! IMO Shankly was wrong - there are many things that are far more important than football, including life and death.

 

As I say, these are just personal opinions. I know there are a whole load of difficult issues around this and would not want to say that they are easy to get to grips with! It is really tough to get to understand how a God of love can allow suffering, for example, and frankly while I can offer some explanations to questions like that, I also get to point where I have to hold my hands up and say 'I don't really know'. All I know is that I think he is real and that I have experienced 'God' for myself and believe that he hurts too when we hurt. I also believe that he experienced some pretty bad stuff himself when he came into the world and ultimately got killed on the cross (a pretty brutal way to die by all accounts!)

 

In terms of where my faith interacts with my passion for Saints (and I will try to bring things back to football as this is a football forum!) I would say that I pray to God for Saints from time to time, although sadly he has been saying 'no' an awful lot recently for whatever reason! Fortunately today's prayers for a takeover to emerge got a 'yes' answer!

 

I would also say that I believe that Saints has an important spiritual status in terms of the city of Southampton and therefore concern for the club is beyond just private tribal interest. And so it is right and proper that I am concerned for the club's future as the standing of the city of Southampton is to some degree intrinsically linked with the fortunes of the club.

 

I don't know if any of that makes sense or if I just sound like I am wittering rubbish, so I will shut up now, but as I say these are just my opinions. I hope that they do not in any way offend anyone.

 

Thanks,

 

Neil

[Ronaldo's a pansy]

Are you the bloke who always knocks on my door with his bible when I'm just getting ready to watch something ?

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

Are you the bloke who always knocks on my door with his bible when I'm just getting ready to watch something ?

 

Hehehe!! And most definitely, no!! lol

 

Just a clue here - if they knock at your door holding a big bible, the chances are that they are not Christians, but Jehova's Witnesses or more likely Mormons.

 

And before anyone writes in saying that those are Christians, neither of those groups accept that Jesus is God, so they can't really be called Christians!

 

If I were to knock at your door (and since I live near Darlington that is probably highly unlikely!) I would be more likely to be accompanied by a group of young people, encouraging them to make a positive difference in their local community by doing free gardening, litter-picking or other community action stuff.

 

It's all very well to go and tell people what you believe, but I think it is more meaningful to live out what you believe and then if people want to ask about my beliefs then great, I will tell them, but like I said before, I don't want to throw that down anyone's throats!

 

But at the same time I am not going to stay quiet about what I believe either - if I am asked about it, like I have been, then I will answer the questions - after all I do think that it is good news (not bad news as some people seem to make it appear!!)

 

Anyway... enough! Don't let me start wittering again!! lol