Delmary Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 It was so good getting away from "The Blame Game" for the last few days as well! Oh Dear!Please let's not go back to all that crap:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Why??.........you're my 'laugh a day' man!! If only I could say the same about you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Is that to do with your user name? Classic!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 It was scheduled to start at 09:30 this morning. It was planned to make one of two announcements. It was delayed until 12:00 But not to worry, we were too busy making stupid jokes about spelling and stuff to notice that something was very wrong yesterday LOL. Somebody posted an unsubstantiated rumour about us being bought by someone, and you blame the people having a bit of irreverant fun for the deal collapsing It would be harder to make up these posts!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 If only I could say the same about you nick.........don't be bitter, keep looking at your post count, you're a big player on here now...................lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 LOL. Somebody posted an unsubstantiated rumour about us being bought by someone, and you blame the people having a bit of irreverant fun for the deal collapsing It would be harder to make up these posts!!! lol - don't be daft. Something went wrong yesterday, a few noticed it and a few comments were actually made, but they simply got lost in the volume of jokes. Let's face it there hasn't been anything to really discuss for a week or more due to he shortage of info. Fry told us yesterday was a pivotal day. The reports of this meeting seem to start to point in the fact that the pivotal day had an outcome of some sort. And it doesn't look good. I have a horrible feeling about this, and I also have a horrible feeling about what the media will say when Fry (in order to avoid ANY blame being sent in his direction) points out that the fans didn't try to help, caused the legends match to be cancelled, called for boycotts of SaintsAid on the Echo forum. But it's ok there's a yacht in the Solent somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Why does Fry say to the press he's very optimistic that a deal will be done in 48 hours and then nothing ever happens,i just dont get why he cant complete a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4403139.Saints_staff_await_wages_news/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 I reckon the Echo just keep sniffing through posts on here and not bother to do any real work themselves. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4403139.Saints_staff_await_wages_news/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 I also have a horrible feeling about what the media will say when Fry (in order to avoid ANY blame being sent in his direction) points out that the fans didn't try to help, caused the legends match to be cancelled, called for boycotts of SaintsAid on the Echo forum. If he does come out with that then i'll surely be visiting his place of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4403139.Saints_staff_await_wages_news/ They really do just copy their stories off here don't they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 How much has Crouch actually given? because from what I am hearing it does not come near the total required. Still generous I accept but the story we keep getting painted by the leaks is nothing like the real thing. Take into account the damage Crouch has caused and he does not even wipe out a fraction of what he has caused. Hone got directors to sign off upon player acquisitions because the money was not there. Something Crouch strongly denied when he got rid of them. It's ok saying you were against the signing of Euell, but when you agree to it in the end followed by further far higher expenditure, what exactly is the point? We then have the infamous "turkey required to vote for christmas" on the back of a £2M note. Certainly got the practical aspects to negotiation down to a fine point. Crouch is an idiot, doing more damage than good from what he has given. Have you even bought an ECHO, let alone a ticket at St Mary's? Is this another Rupes Hissy Fit. Maybe kpturner will translate for me....Sorry, what I can make out is that you should be on the beach volleyball page with those lovely cheerleaders and Ra Ra girls... Read my posts I did not agree or disagree with Jason...personally I would never have bought him having seen him play at Charlton once.....I am The TURKEY who still thinks he would make a good centre back at lower league level ala Dublin. This fred is for serious posters who can spell and not Rupettes. Sorry with my spellin I should be back with you and the Rupert Pom Poms group.:smt117 I hope my support since 1956/7. Coiunts for something.....At least I am Saints fan...Free tickets offered over many years but always paid..Members card in recent years before travelling up from Exeter. I am possibly as important as you Lowey groupies, many of whom do not go to games or support The mighty Saints. Anyway back to hoping and praying that the staff get paid and under the terms of the buyout/takeover they all retain their jobs. kpturner ...If able..you might like to pick out the good points and translate for others.;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 i am not blaming any posters for our predicament. I only commment that some people are crazy to have wanted admin regardless of rl or anyone else. Admin is bad news all round. agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 (edited) It may well be bad news - it could be better news, who knows, but i doubt FRy will resort to the unprofessional balme game - because if we are not bought its simply because there is no one with enough money to satisfy creditors who wants to... end of. Fans boycotting this and calling for that etc will make feck all difference and anyone using that as an excuse is simply desperate to deflect blame rather than simply admit the deal did not work - these things happen all the time FFS. If liquidated, it will be a free for all on assets and what will be will be, but I suspet there will be football at St mary's again in the future, but at what level and under what name is anyones guess. Edited 28 May, 2009 by Frank's cousin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 The reports of this meeting seem to start to point in the fact that the pivotal day had an outcome of some sort. And it doesn't look good. Understand your frustration Phil but, to be fair, at the last count we've had 167 pivotal days in the last 2 years....it's spotting the ones that really matter which is the tricky part.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Fry told us yesterday was a pivotal day. I've lost track of the amount of times Fry has told us the next xxhrs will be pivotal but he's confident a deal can be done etc etc!! No amount of speculation - trivial or otherwise - on here will affect any outcome whatsoever! I'm sorry if it's not what you ITKers want to here, but it's probably one of the very rare truths on this site at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Understand your frustration Phil but, to be fair, at the last count we've had 167 pivotal days in the last 2 years....it's spotting the ones that really matter which is the tricky part.... All these pivotal days are making me unbalanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 All these pivotal days are making me unbalanced. Add that to you already being 'unhitched' and it's a recipe for a bewbs PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 May, 2009 (edited) It may well be bad news - it could be better news, who knows, but i doubt FRy will resort to the unprofessional balme game - because if we are not bought its simply because there is no one with enough money to satisfy creditors will to... end of. Fans boycotting this and calling for that etc will make feck all difference and anyone using that as an excuse is simply desperate to deflect blame rather than simply admit the deal did not work - these things happen all the time FFS. If liquidated, it will be a free for all on assets and what will be will be, but I suspet there will be football at St mary's again in teh future, but at what level and under what name is anyones guess. Fry did not act and get the first bid sorted out one way or another.Why did Pinnalce get to the table and leave, the Irish likewise? It is something that he should have made them aware of and so they could have bid accordingly. He knew the time factor was a problem.He was the only one who had all the facts in front of him and kept stalling hoping for more. Now that may be unfair on him but it is us who are now in the s###.i did post some time ago we were making it easy for him and were laying down letting him f### us without making his life a little uncomfortable to help push him along Edited 28 May, 2009 by OldNick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 (edited) http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4403139.Saints_staff_await_wages_news/ "Administrator Mark Fry has travelled to the stadium to inform staff as to what is going on" (a) what office has Fry been working from over the last 8 weeks? (I'd always assumed he was based at the stadium...) and (b) why is Fry (the administrator of SLH plc) dealing with the staff of Southampton Football Club Ltd....shouldn't it be their bosses (Jones and Tointon) telling them this stuff? Edited 28 May, 2009 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Add that to you already being 'unhitched' and it's a recipe for a bewbs PM Yeah, why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 So we are back to fan v fan on here. Well done those that started the bickering again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 "Administrator Mark Fry has travelled to the stadium to inform staff as to what is going on" (a) what office has Fry been working from over the last 8 weeks? (I'd always assumed he was based at the stadium...) and (b) why is Fry (the administration of SLH plc) dealing with the staff of Southampton Football Club Ltd....should it be their bosses (Jones and Tointon) telling them this stuff? His office opposite walkabout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 I've lost track of the amount of times Fry has told us the next xxhrs will be pivotal but he's confident a deal can be done etc etc!! No amount of speculation - trivial or otherwise - on here will affect any outcome whatsoever! I'm sorry if it's not what you ITKers want to here, but it's probably one of the very rare truths on this site at the moment I know, it's that old parable isn't it - The little boy who cried wolf, I think we sleep-walked our way through the real one. Oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Fry did not act and get the foirst bid sorted out one way or another.Why did Pinnalce get to the table and leave, the Irish likewise? It is something that he should have made them aware of and so they could have bd accordingly. He knew the time factor was a problem.He was the only one who had all the facts in front of him and kept stalling hoping for more. Now that may be unfair on him but it is us who are now in the s###.i did post some time ago we were making it easy for him and were laying down letting him f### us without making his life a little uncomfortable to help push him along Do you know all this for a fact, if not then I respectfully request you stop posting pure speculation, it doesn't help the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 I know, it's that old parable isn't it - The little boy who cried wolf, I think we sleep-walked our way through the real one. Oh well We didn't do anything!! We cannot do anything!!! We just have to wait!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Fry did not act and get the foirst bid sorted out one way or another.Why did Pinnalce get to the table and leave, the Irish likewise? It is something that he should have made them aware of and so they could have bd accordingly. He knew the time factor was a problem.He was the only one who had all the facts in front of him and kept stalling hoping for more. Now that may be unfair on him but it is us who are now in the s###.i did post some time ago we were making it easy for him and were laying down letting him f### us without making his life a little uncomfortable to help push him along Sorry nick but on this occasion I think you are being a bit melodramatic - people leave teh table because they dont liek or cant afford the deal on offer - or their backers turn into figments of the brokers imaginations the moment things get serious - we simply ahve to accept that if our creditors are currently demanding 15 to walk away and leave new owners debt free, but when some one get teh chance to look in detail at the current contractual obligations, assess accuratly the projected revenue from teh gate in L1 and realises that there is possibly a 2-3 mil a year shortgfall which they cant fund they walk away - and thats just one example - there are many more perfectly legitimate examples - teh CReditors set these demands because they have made tehior own assessments of what they feel they will get if liquidated. To blame Fry is clutching at straws - If the Irish pulled out its because they could not afford to fund teh bid .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Why are staff going without wages when Surman, Lallana and DMG could all be sold quick and cheap to bring in funds? Clubs would pay 500k each for a quick sale. Seems strange no-one is being sold while we're struggling to survive. I thought Dyer was sold on the cheap yesterday for the very purpose of keeping us afloat for at least another month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Why are staff going without wages when Surman, Lallana and DMG could all be sold quick and cheap to bring in funds? Clubs would pay 500k each for a quick sale. Seems strange no-one is being sold while we're struggling to survive. Not forgetting the lack of season ticket revenue. All self defeating this admin malarkey. The Admin rules seem to prevent the company doing the very things that could save it. Madness (IMHO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 If no one could afford to takeover shouldnt they have fallen at the very first hurdle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Do you know all this for a fact, if not then I respectfully request you stop posting pure speculation, it doesn't help the situation. The case that he didnt accept the bid that was sitting in front of him a few weeks ago and kept them waiting. If he had given them the go ahead at least they would have been thrown out if they couldnt at least proceed.That may have flagged up a problem that seems to have derailed Pinnacle and the Irish. There must be something pretty bad for them to walk. perhaps that is why he was insisting on 500k non refundable deposit so they were already in and perhaps then lothe to walk on seeing any problems. it is speculation but is that what a forum is about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 We didn't do anything!! We cannot do anything!!! We just have to wait!! At last..........the penny drops. LOL, many on here think they can influence things. Mr Fry, is doing his best for.....guess who...yep!! the creditors. Some of you (nickh), think he should be doing his best for the club, and you're business men yourselfs......shame on you. As WSS, says................wait........and I'll add to this, don't listen to rumor, all will be reveled at the end game. IMO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Why are staff going without wages when Surman, Lallana and DMG could all be sold quick and cheap to bring in funds? Clubs would pay 500k each for a quick sale. Seems strange no-one is being sold while we're struggling to survive.How so? It is not that simple is it? This is not a case of sticking them on e-bay with a "buy it now" option! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 If no one could afford to takeover shouldnt they have fallen at the very first hurdle. NO because they will not have had access to contractual obligations - etc which determine teh minimum cost base for teh next 2-3 years until later in the process of due diligence the first hurdle is showing prof of funds - to cover teh purchase - after that the administrtaor is not interested in whether yu ahve sufficient additional funds to subsidize a loss making business... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 The case that he didnt accept the bid that was sitting in front of him a few weeks ago and kept them waiting. If he had given them the go ahead at least they would have been thrown out if they couldnt at least proceed.That may have flagged up a problem that seems to have derailed Pinnacle and the Irish. There must be something pretty bad for them to walk. perhaps that is why he was insisting on 500k non refundable deposit so they were already in and perhaps then lothe to walk on seeing any problems. it is speculation but is that what a forum is about? Again, do you know for certain that he didn't accept their bid and then threw them out because they couldn't proceed? Speculation can work both ways can't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Maybe we are about to arrive at the famous 11th hour and the bidders are here or here abouts and the bid will be ok and we move forwards with all the staff paid. Also I want jonah, up and away and Rupes to sit with me at all future games..So I can tell them all about football and the mighty Saints. United once again under new leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 May, 2009 At last..........the penny drops. LOL, many on here think they can influence things. Mr Fry, is doing his best for.....guess who...yep!! the creditors. Some of you (nickh), think he should be doing his best for the club, and you're business men yourselfs......shame on you. As WSS, says................wait........and I'll add, don't listen to rumor, all will be reveled at the end game. IMO of courseOf course I know he is expected to do best for his creditors.Do you think the club being wound up has done so???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 The case that he didnt accept the bid that was sitting in front of him a few weeks ago and kept them waiting. If he had given them the go ahead at least they would have been thrown out if they couldnt at least proceed.That may have flagged up a problem that seems to have derailed Pinnacle and the Irish. There must be something pretty bad for them to walk. perhaps that is why he was insisting on 500k non refundable deposit so they were already in and perhaps then lothe to walk on seeing any problems. it is speculation but is that what a forum is about? Have i missed soemthing? Where has it emerged that the irish and pinnacle have walked? or are we guessing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 How so? It is not that simple is it? This is not a case of sticking them on e-bay with a "buy it now" option! Someone should try this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 I understood the Irish bidders had paid the £500,000 deposit could this money not have been used to pay the wages of the staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Of course I know he is expected to do best for his creditors.Do you think the club being wound up has done so???? I must have missed the bit about the club being wound up! It wasn't even mentioned on SSN, maybe that's how low we've fallen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Have i missed soemthing? Where has it emerged that the irish and pinnacle have walked? or are we guessing? We are not guessing, only the ITK's!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 If no one could afford to takeover shouldnt they have fallen at the very first hurdle. I believe Phil has been highlighting that it's down to 'unreasonable' terms and conditions rather than people falling over any late financial hurdles, per se. (If I'm reading between the lines correctly...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Again, do you know for certain that he didn't accept their bid and then threw them out because they couldn't proceed? Speculation can work both ways can't it? yes that could be the case.I dont understand why fans are on Fry's side he is the one who is driving the deal one way or other.He is not saving us he is about to divide and get rid of us.Excuse me if i dont lie down and worship him for it. He has played the waiting game expecting a big offer to come in, that is his choice but it looks as he will come very short for the very people he is working for.I doubt his reputation is enhanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Of course I know he is expected to do best for his creditors.Do you think the club being wound up has done so???? nick...........read again what you have just posted, another of your 'secrets'...I wonder!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 I understood the Irish bidders had paid the £500,000 deposit could this money not have been used to pay the wages of the staff. I think what some are trying to say Jan is that there may not of been an Irish bid or that they never actually exist or even have the 500k to put on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 Of course I know he is expected to do best for his creditors.Do you think the club being wound up has done so???? Nick, just calm down a bit fella for your blood pressures sake . As far as I can see nobody has said the club has been wound up, we just don't know yet. Unless you know something we dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 I believe Phil has been highlighting that it's down to 'unreasonable' terms and conditions rather than people falling over any late financial hurdles, per se. (If I'm reading between the lines correctly...) Maybe the creditors have put 'appearance' clauses in the contracts Buy the club for C£14m now in L1 Give us another C£5M when you get back to the CCC and if you make it to the land of Milk and Honey we want another C£15M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 yes that could be the case.I dont understand why fans are on Fry's side he is the one who is driving the deal one way or other.He is not saving us he is about to divide and get rid of us.Excuse me if i dont lie down and worship him for it. He has played the waiting game expecting a big offer to come in, that is his choice but it looks as he will come very short for the very people he is working for.I doubt his reputation is enhanced. LOL. I'm not on anyone's 'side'! I have no influence whatsoever in any of the negotiations, so I'm quite happy to sit back, see what happens and make a judgement at the end. I'm pretty sure there are tactics going along with the negotiations, but since I don't have access to ALL the information, it's not for me to interpret every snippet of [more often than not, false] information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 May, 2009 Share Posted 28 May, 2009 I think what some are trying to say Jan is that there may not of been an Irish bid or that they never actually exist or even have the 500k to put on the table. Anyone got a wheat and chaff detector so we know which posts we need to 'pay attention to' and which we can dismiss as hearsay? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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