Saint Martini Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 Is anyone bothered with it in the UK? In the Netherlands and Sweden it seems to be a bigger issue then 5 years ago and at last the debates are on European issues and not domestic ones.
bridge too far Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 I'll be voting too. On European issues not on local issues.
badgerx16 Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 I have yet to decide who I will vote for, but I have decided the list of those who I won't be voting for.
Clapham Saint Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 I'll be voting too. On European issues not on local issues. Tory? ;-)
saintwarwick Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 I'll be voting too. On European issues not on local issues. I will be voting on both.
bridge too far Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 A well presented argument As cogent as the one put forward by the BNP / UKIP in my view.
St Landrew Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 I have yet to decide who I will vote for, but I have decided the list of those who I won't be voting for. Indeed. I shall vote, as always.
Saint Martini Posted 27 May, 2009 Author Posted 27 May, 2009 I'm voting in Sweden for the first time ever and I'm a bit frustrated. They don't really have parties that fit my Dutch profile, why the hell can't i vote for a Dutch party? (or rather a European party representing the EU and not a national representative for a European parliament) Its a European election, shouldn't I be able to vote for any party running in the elections....
Mole Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 UKIP or BNP F*ck Europe. UKIP are the most likely to win MEP's out of the two, but that Nigel Farage is a bit of a pillock. Nick Griffin on the other hand seems a good bloke to me. As the Americans would put it "the sort of guy you'd want to have a beer with".
Ponty Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 Nick Griffin on the other hand seems a good bloke to me. As the Americans would put it "the sort of guy you'd want to have a beer with"... ...if you wear a sheet and a white hood at the weekends.
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 UKIP or BNP either way, you're an idiot
RedAndWhite91 Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 This will be the first time I am able to vote, I actually got a bit excited when the poll card came in the post. Hurrah! But yes, it's important people exercise their right to vote, I intend to.
StuRomseySaint Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 This will be the first time I am able to vote, I actually got a bit excited when the poll card came in the post. Hurrah! But yes, it's important people exercise their right to vote, I intend to. Which one, BNP or UKIP?
Mole Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 (edited) ...if you wear a sheet and a white hood at the weekends. .... Edited 27 May, 2009 by Mole deleted because i don't think ponty liked it and i'm on my bestest behaviour.
Clapham Saint Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 UKIP are the most likely to win MEP's out of the two, but that Nigel Farage is a bit of a pillock. Nick Griffin on the other hand seems a good bloke to me. As the Americans would put it "the sort of guy you'd want to have a beer with". You have got to be kidding!
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 27 May, 2009 Posted 27 May, 2009 You have got to be kidding! hes on a wind-up
IamLeGod Posted 28 May, 2009 Posted 28 May, 2009 ...if you wear a sheet and a white hood at the weekends. either way, you're an idiot You have got to be kidding! thank god there are some sensibile people on here, the BNP and UKIP are ridiculous and do not deserve to call themselves political parties, people like Nick Griffin are outright scum and known racists? Whilst the freedom of association is a key part of democracy, so i would not say they should be banned, i would sincerely hope the people of Britain are intelligent enough to see what ignorant, regressive, divisive parties and the people behind them are, please do not let these people anywhere near any power
bungle Posted 28 May, 2009 Posted 28 May, 2009 I'm voting in Sweden for the first time ever and I'm a bit frustrated. They don't really have parties that fit my Dutch profile, why the hell can't i vote for a Dutch party? (or rather a European party representing the EU and not a national representative for a European parliament) Its a European election, shouldn't I be able to vote for any party running in the elections.... I see your point, but then that party would have to find candidates to stand in every region of every country across the EU - which would be a nightmare. They'd then have to try and campaign in every EU country, which they couldn't afford to do (well, with the possible exception of Silvio Berlesconi's party). The best bet is to look at the Dutch party you tend to support, find out which group they sit in in the Euro Parliament, and find the Swedish party that also sits in that group. They way you know their MEPs will be working together.
Saint Martini Posted 28 May, 2009 Author Posted 28 May, 2009 I see your point, but then that party would have to find candidates to stand in every region of every country across the EU - which would be a nightmare. They'd then have to try and campaign in every EU country, which they couldn't afford to do (well, with the possible exception of Silvio Berlesconi's party). The best bet is to look at the Dutch party you tend to support, find out which group they sit in in the Euro Parliament, and find the Swedish party that also sits in that group. They way you know their MEPs will be working together. Its a shame this new pan-European party called the Newropeans (although at the moment I think they're just up for election in France, Germany and the Netherlands) are not up for election. They're politically very close to the party I usually vote for and they're more European. But I guess I'll have to look at the EP Groups. But let me ask you this, why should there be different national candidate lists if the parties are "european"? The argument against that is that some nations wouldn't get represented but why would this be the case? If we did vote European then for instantce the PES or EPP-ED would be forced to work more closely together in campaining and create mixed candidate lists. Would be much better then the current system in my opinion.
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 28 May, 2009 Posted 28 May, 2009 thank god there are some sensibile people on here, the BNP and UKIP are ridiculous and do not deserve to call themselves political parties, people like Nick Griffin are outright scum and known racists? Whilst the freedom of association is a key part of democracy, so i would not say they should be banned, i would sincerely hope the people of Britain are intelligent enough to see what ignorant, regressive, divisive parties and the people behind them are, please do not let these people anywhere near any power almost everyone feels like this. and every sensible, intelligent and concientious person feels like this. its just a small minority of unintelligent thugs that the racist parties are appealing to. they have no hope in hell of ever having any semblence of power. and they would f*ck it up and lose it pretty much instantaniously even if they did.
bungle Posted 28 May, 2009 Posted 28 May, 2009 Its a shame this new pan-European party called the Newropeans (although at the moment I think they're just up for election in France, Germany and the Netherlands) are not up for election. They're politically very close to the party I usually vote for and they're more European. But I guess I'll have to look at the EP Groups. But let me ask you this, why should there be different national candidate lists if the parties are "european"? The argument against that is that some nations wouldn't get represented but why would this be the case? If we did vote European then for instantce the PES or EPP-ED would be forced to work more closely together in campaining and create mixed candidate lists. Would be much better then the current system in my opinion. It's an interesting point, and I suppose one that, with time, will evolve as the European Union continues to improve how it functions. I certainly think that more should be made of the groupings, and the public should be much more aware of what, say, the ALDE and EPP stand for and debate in the European Parliament. However, whether it is best to take away the link to national parties I am not so sure. There could be an argument that says that would remove the EU Parliament from having any direct links to the people - as they would be entirely their own structure. It would certainly be a big step. Also, there is no set method of voting on MEPs as far as I'm aware - different countries vote differently. So that would also need to be sorted.
Mole Posted 28 May, 2009 Posted 28 May, 2009 hes on a wind-up The bit about NG being the sort of guy you'd want to have a beer with was tongue in cheek granted, but you can rest assured i'm not on a wind-up apart from that. If everyone was the same the world (and SWF) would be a boring place.
bungle Posted 28 May, 2009 Posted 28 May, 2009 The bit about NG being the sort of guy you'd want to have a beer with was tongue in cheek granted, but you can rest assured i'm not on a wind-up apart from that. If everyone was the same the world (and SWF) would be a boring place. I'd be quite happy in a world without racist scum like yourself.
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