Marc Jackson consortium has moved to due diligence.

[OldNick]

  bridge too far said:

I don't know anything about Salz and any bid. I'm just trying to think using a bit of logic. I suspect Salz is a facilitator (since he's engineered hugely successful takeovers and mergers in the past).

 

Successful business men and women make their money by trading at the opportune moment.

 

I wonder if the people he is working with are waiting for that opportune moment to buy at a low price (being the offer of last resort) leaving them significantly more money to invest in the team.

BTF I always am for people to buy at the right price.I also have conscience.The creditors I would suggest are not only Avivea and Barclays.There may well be some small suppliers who may take a hit and they will have emplyees etc.My own brother lost a lot of money when Bournemouth entertainment section went down and that hurt him big time.

I would also point youy to Dubai;s post, if they wait and then pay an amount that doesnt satisfy the creditors we get another -15.It may leave salz with a cheap stadium that they can sell on at a profit etc but our club wil be L2.So i'd respectfully point out 'be careful what you wish for' we as a fanbase have done so a couple of times and itr hasnt panned out as they had at first thouhgt

[bridge too far]

Nick I absolutely endorse the points you are making in your first paragraph - it's often the little guys who suffer the most pain.

 

But with regard to your second paragraph, my understanding (only from what I read on here BTW) is that Salz is a real supporter of the club, as are his cronies.

 

Real supporter wouldn't look to 'sell on for a profit', would they? And if we were sent down to L2, would they necessarily be able to sell the stadium for a profit anyway?

 

Or am I being too sentimental and naive?

[OldNick]

  Weston Saint said:

I know David as well and if he is Kelso he is well out of order and does not deserve to be defended.

 

Whoever it is he is wrong about the deal being done. Why is this group spending more than £100,000 on due diligence with forensic accountants and legal team if it is a done deal? Why has the Administrators not given them preferred bidder status. Done deals are when deals have been done, not before!

 

I dont know if they are 1 and the same.Do you think they are?I was pointing out how much he put in of his free time

[trousers]

  The Rover said:

Perhaps someone needs to give Barclays and Aviva a reality check.

 

Someone needs to point out to these financial 'wizzards' that it's their own ill-conceived loan strategies over the last decade that have led us to where we are today, both in terms of Southampton Football Club and the global financial world at large.

 

A little humility as these financial giants pitifully try to dig themselves out of a hole of their own making wouldn't go a miss....

 

Oxygen tanks available upon request to those who have started holding their breath.

[OldNick]

  bridge too far said:

Nick I absolutely endorse the points you are making in your first paragraph - it's often the little guys who suffer the most pain.

 

But with regard to your second paragraph, my understanding (only from what I read on here BTW) is that Salz is a real supporter of the club, as are his cronies.

 

Real supporter wouldn't look to 'sell on for a profit', would they? And if we were sent down to L2, would they necessarily be able to sell the stadium for a profit anyway?

 

Or am I being too sentimental and naive?

BTF, I dont wish to diss anyone who wants to save us but would you with a love for the club sit back and watch us collapse as we did? They were talking about a consortium when LC was still chairman.Morph and co were putting up their winky stuff then.I myself would not have sat back and watched as the club could have been saved from -10 and even relegation if they had acted late last season as they were intimating.They are IMO carpet baggers and whilst we are told they are saints fans, who knows for sure? Isnt it funny that all of a sudden LC is supposedly now part of them.Like Pinnacle who pushed MLT forward are they just using them to try and get fan backing and at the same time trying very hard to discredit the people who have actually put an offer on the table (Salz is waiting to be asked to,Lol) MJ's group have invested money to get where they are has Salzs crowd done so? They have had a load of freebies in the directors box on the back of their interest for 18months, I have no idea about their actual costs.If they are our only hope then im behind them but we are being played.

[Wade Garrett]

  nickh said:

BTF, I dont wish to diss anyone who wants to save us but would you with a love for the club sit back and watch us collapse as we did? They were talking about a consortium when LC was still chairman.Morph and co were putting up their winky stuff then.I myself would not have sat back and watched as the club could have been saved from -10 and even relegation if they had acted late last season as they were intimating.They are IMO carpet baggers and whilst we are told they are saints fans, who knows for sure? Isnt it funny that all of a sudden LC is supposedly now part of them.Like Pinnacle who pushed MLT forward are they just using them to try and get fan backing and at the same time trying very hard to discredit the people who have actually put an offer on the table (Salz is waiting to be asked to,Lol) MJ's group have invested money to get where they are has Salzs crowd done so? They have had a load of freebies in the directors box on the back of their interest for 18months, I have no idea about their actual costs.If they are our only hope then im behind them but we are being played.

 

 

You think this of Salz, yet you seem to be behind Jackson. Bizarre (IMHO of course).

[Saint Billy]

  nickh said:

BTF, I dont wish to diss anyone who wants to save us but would you with a love for the club sit back and watch us collapse as we did? They were talking about a consortium when LC was still chairman.Morph and co were putting up their winky stuff then.I myself would not have sat back and watched as the club could have been saved from -10 and even relegation if they had acted late last season as they were intimating.They are IMO carpet baggers and whilst we are told they are saints fans, who knows for sure? Isnt it funny that all of a sudden LC is supposedly now part of them.Like Pinnacle who pushed MLT forward are they just using them to try and get fan backing and at the same time trying very hard to discredit the people who have actually put an offer on the table (Salz is waiting to be asked to,Lol) MJ's group have invested money to get where they are has Salzs crowd done so? They have had a load of freebies in the directors box on the back of their interest for 18months, I have no idea about their actual costs.If they are our only hope then im behind them but we are being played.

 

And here ends a party political statement on behalf of the MJ bid.

[OldNick]

  Wade Garrett said:

You think this of Salz, yet you seem to be behind Jackson. Bizarre (IMHO of course).

If Salz was at the table doing DD I d be behind them.I am bias toward MJ's as I know a slight bit more of their group in the background, but I want a football club.At present IF MJ's (who is only the salesman who is making the appointment for the top people, and real money) have spent so much then they deserve my support.As I have said Salz has ben there 18 months and STILL has yet to make a move.i8 always have wondered if they thought they'd get a free run and so buy the club for a £1, not as clever as fans have painted them perhapa

[krissyboy31]

I think the Salz people have a certain amount of money that they are prepared to sink into the club (at least for the first season) and Fry and BT are looking for an amount that would pretty much wipe that money out, not leaving any to put into club/team rebuilding.

 

Like a property developer at an auction, they will know what they can bid, within their budget, to allow for the rebuilding etc to give the club a chance to level out and start moving in an upward direction. If others are prepared to pay more, then they will leave them to it but if the other bids go tits up, then they are there to pick up the pieces.

 

That's how I see it FWIW and seems reasonable to me.

[OldNick]

  Saint Billy said:

And here ends a party political statement on behalf of the MJ bid.

I categorically state I have no connection to MJ or their bid.I thankyou

[Weston Saint]

Nick, Salz is a good man and a fine Saints supporter.

 

He was touted for Chairman when the Execs were ousted but he was aware it was a poison chalice without investment and he did not have the funds to make a difference. However he worked hard behind the scenes trying to make a difference advising Crouch on non football matters (Crouch would not let him near any football decisions)

 

When Lowe came back it is well known the two did not see eye to eye on running Saints. Salz had to take a bi of a back seat. He has powerless to avoid Lowe putting us into Administration.

 

He has spoken to the Administrator and looked for funds to make a difference. As yet he has not beeen able to raise enough to meet the sort of figures the Administrator says will satisfy the creditors.

 

Let's stop all the squabbling of "my consortium is better than your" or "that consortium is a joke and will fail" (not aimed at you alone Nick)

 

Time will tell. None of us knows the outcome of any of it at present.

[Wade Garrett]

  nickh said:

If Salz was at the table doing DD I d be behind them.I am bias toward MJ's as I know a slight bit more of their group in the background, but I want a football club.At present IF MJ's (who is only the salesman who is making the appointment for the top people, and real money) have spent so much then they deserve my support.As I have said Salz has ben there 18 months and STILL has yet to make a move.i8 always have wondered if they thought they'd get a free run and so buy the club for a £1, not as clever as fans have painted them perhapa

 

Personally, I think somebody who has steered the most complex mergers and takeovers in the City to completion, is a bit more likely to take us over than someone who sells ink toner and failed to see through the purchase of AFC Bournemouth.

 

I would take everything that Jackson and Greene say with a very large pinch of salt.

[Delmary]

  krissyboy31 said:

I think the Salz people have a certain amount of money that they are prepared to sink into the club (at least for the first season) and Fry and BT are looking for an amount that would pretty much wipe that money out, not leaving any to put into club/team rebuilding.

 

Like a property developer at an auction, they will know what they can bid, within their budget, to allow for the rebuilding etc to give the club a chance to level out and start moving in an upward direction. If others are prepared to pay more, then they will leave them to it but if the other bids go tits up, then they are there to pick up the pieces.

 

That's how I see it FWIW and seems reasonable to me.

I think you're right.

[OldNick]

  krissyboy31 said:

I think the Salz people have a certain amount of money that they are prepared to sink into the club (at least for the first season) and Fry and BT are looking for an amount that would pretty much wipe that money out, not leaving any to put into club/team rebuilding.

 

Like a property developer at an auction, they will know what they can bid, within their budget, to allow for the rebuilding etc to give the club a chance to level out and start moving in an upward direction. If others are prepared to pay more, then they will leave them to it but if the other bids go tits up, then they are there to pick up the pieces.

 

That's how I see it FWIW and seems reasonable to me.

That is fine by me as well, but not if they try to derail the other bidding party/parties by causing division all IMO of course

[OldNick]

  Weston Saint said:

Nick, Salz is a good man and a fine Saints supporter.

 

He was touted for Chairman when the Execs were ousted but he was aware it was a poison chalice without investment and he did not have the funds to make a difference. However he worked hard behind the scenes trying to make a difference advising Crouch on non football matters (Crouch would not let him near any football decisions)

 

When Lowe came back it is well known the two did not see eye to eye on running Saints. Salz had to take a bi of a back seat. He has powerless to avoid Lowe putting us into Administration.

 

He has spoken to the Administrator and looked for funds to make a difference. As yet he has not beeen able to raise enough to meet the sort of figures the Administrator says will satisfy the creditors.

 

Let's stop all the squabbling of "my consortium is better than your" or "that consortium is a joke and will fail" (not aimed at you alone Nick)

 

Time will tell. None of us knows the outcome of any of it at present.

I have no reason to back 1 instead of theo ther except ! seems to have got a better chance of keeping us of getting -25.

[Delmary]

  nickh said:

I have no reason to back 1 instead of theo ther except ! seems to have got a better chance of keeping us of getting -25.

Where are you getting this -25 figure from?

[Wade Garrett]

  nickh said:

That is fine by me as well, but not if they try to derail the other bidding party/parties by causing division all IMO of course

 

How can they derail other bidding parties. The Jackson consortium either have the money for the deal or they don't. How can Salz influence that. He can't, unless he has a better deal in the offing (ie. one that will be accepted and actually carried through).

[Master Bates]

Have we won yet?

 

Oh, and Ken Tointon has 2 fit daughters, nom nom nom

[trousers]

  Weston Saint said:

He has spoken to the Administrator and looked for funds to make a difference. As yet he has not beeen able to raise enough to meet the sort of figures the Administrator says will satisfy the creditors.

 

Whilst I'm speaking from a position of relative naivity, isn't it now time to call the major creditors' bluff?

 

As I see it, the outcome could well be the same whether we call their bluff or not...

 

i.e.

 

Outcome 1 = creditors manage to squeeze their desired pound of flesh out of the new owners (i.e. c.£14m) but that leaves little to invest in the squad so we perform badly in League 1 anyway and potentially get relegated to League 2 in the process.

 

or

 

Outcome 2 = all potential new owners (MJ's consoirtium included) collaborate and agree not to put in any inflated bids (say > £7m?). The football club is then put into Administration, the creditors get nowhere near what they're trying to squeeze out of the new owners and the club struggles to overcome the -25 point (or whatever) penalty with potential/probable relegation to League 2 to follow (although they could spend the additional c.£7m they were going to put in under 'outcome 1' on players etc)

 

So, either way we face a 'battle to stay up' type season. In which case, I let's make the creditors squirm in the process rather than bow to their unrealistic demands for the sake of it?

Edited 25 May, 2009 by trousers

[wild-saint]

Small snippet in the sun saying gavin davies has told pals he wont let the club die. If no new owners are found he will step in. No source and is in the sun. But im prepared to clutch at any straw at the moment

[Delmary]

  trousers said:

Whilst I'm speaking from a position of relative naivity, isn't it now time to call the major creditors' bluff?

 

As I see it, the outcome could well be the same whether we call their bluff or not...

 

i.e.

 

Outcome 1 = creditors manage to squeeze their desired pound of flesh out of the new owners (i.e. c.£14m) but that leaves little to invest in the squad so we perform badly in League 1 anyway and potentially get relegated to League 2 in the process.

 

or

 

Outcome 2 = all potential new owners (MJ's consoirtium included) corroborate and agree not to put in any inflated bids (say > £7m?). The football club is then put into Administration, the creditors get nowhere near what they're trying to squeeze out of the new owners and the club struggles to overcome the -25 point (or whatever) penalty with potential/probable relegation to League 2 to follow (although they could spend the additional c.£7m they were going to put in under 'outcome 1' on players etc)

 

So, either way we face a 'battle to stay up' type season. In which case, I let's make the creditors squirm in the process rather than bow to their unrealistic demands for the sake of it?

If SFC goes into admin we will not suffer a -25 point penalty. All that will happen is that our -10 point penalty becomes legally unchallengeable.

[Delmary]

  wild-saint said:

Small snippet in the sun saying gavin davies has told pals he wont let the club die. If no new owners are found he will step in. No source and is in the sun. But im prepared to clutch at any straw at the moment

He will be involved in the Salz rescue bid (IMHO as Morph would state).

[crouchi]

Then, if we fail to get a CVA in place, we get another -15

[INFLUENCED.COM]

  wild-saint said:

Small snippet in the sun saying gavin davies has told pals he wont let the club die.

 

A phrase used so often, the club did die, we may just be able to experience something similar to it.

[trousers]

  Delmary said:

If SFC goes into admin we will not suffer a -25 point penalty. All that will happen is that our -10 point penalty becomes legally unchallengeable.

 

Even 'better' then....in that case, any consortium that 'wastes' an extra £7m (or whatever the figure is) to line the pockets of one or two large financial institutions for a situation they helped create in the first place need to stop and think before giving away this money.

 

Reading between the lines then....it would seem that Salz, Davies and Co are playing the 'right game'....i.e. they know that the club will be cheaper if it goes into admin proper (in addition to the PLC) and thus there will be more funds to invest in the team.

 

I hope I'm reading this wrongly but it would APPEAR that the MJ consortium is 'happy' to stump up the extra cash for the benefit of the major creditors which, IMHO is a false economy for the football club in the longer run.

 

All conjecture on my part, obviously.

[aintforever]

  crouchi said:

Then, if we fail to get a CVA in place, we get another -15

 

THe way it is dragging on another -15 looks likely at the moment.

[saint_mears]

  nickh said:

BTF, I dont wish to diss anyone who wants to save us but would you with a love for the club sit back and watch us collapse as we did? They were talking about a consortium when LC was still chairman.Morph and co were putting up their winky stuff then.I myself would not have sat back and watched as the club could have been saved from -10 and even relegation if they had acted late last season as they were intimating.They are IMO carpet baggers and whilst we are told they are saints fans, who knows for sure? Isnt it funny that all of a sudden LC is supposedly now part of them.Like Pinnacle who pushed MLT forward are they just using them to try and get fan backing and at the same time trying very hard to discredit the people who have actually put an offer on the table (Salz is waiting to be asked to,Lol) MJ's group have invested money to get where they are has Salzs crowd done so? They have had a load of freebies in the directors box on the back of their interest for 18months, I have no idea about their actual costs.If they are our only hope then im behind them but we are being played.

 

 

Whose tapping your shoulder then ?

[Morph]

  krissyboy31 said:

I think the Salz people have a certain amount of money that they are prepared to sink into the club (at least for the first season) and Fry and BT are looking for an amount that would pretty much wipe that money out, not leaving any to put into club/team rebuilding.

 

Like a property developer at an auction, they will know what they can bid, within their budget, to allow for the rebuilding etc to give the club a chance to level out and start moving in an upward direction. If others are prepared to pay more, then they will leave them to it but if the other bids go tits up, then they are there to pick up the pieces.

 

That's how I see it FWIW and seems reasonable to me.

 

 

This post is pretty much spot on.

 

 

IMHO

 

 

Regards

 

 

Morph

[Weston Super Saint]

  Master Bates said:

Have we won yet?

 

Oh, and Ken Tointon has 2 fit daughters, nom nom nom

 

I forget the number of the rule.....

[Give it to Ron]

So what happens in season 2 or 3 when th little bit of money Salz and co had runs out?

I still cannot understand why they don't join up with the other consortium and be twice as strong.

[Weston Super Saint]

  Give it to Ron said:

So what happens in season 2 or 3 when th little bit of money Salz and co had runs out?

I still cannot understand why they don't join up with the other consortium and be twice as strong.

 

What happens in season 1 when the money jackson and co don't have runs out?

[Saint Fan CaM]

  Morph said:

This post is pretty much spot on.

 

 

IMHO

 

 

Regards

 

 

Morph

 

OK, so in that case we must be at a point where MJ's bunch have been given the green light to proceed to final DD with a bid that has been accepted in principle by Fry et al. That also means that if they're really serious they will win through and take-over will happen very shortly. But then will have nothing to spend on re-building the squad to something worthy of a play-off challenge. Not really sure whether I want to believe any of this, but frankly I am starting to think Salz's people may have a better mid-term view.

[miserableoldgit]

  Wade Garrett said:

Personally, I think somebody who has steered the most complex mergers and takeovers in the City to completion, is a bit more likely to take us over than someone who sells ink toner and failed to see through the purchase of AFC Bournemouth.

 

I would take everything that Jackson and Greene say with a very large pinch of salt.[/quote]

But it`s not us. It`s Fry who has to be convinced. Do you think that he would have the wool pulled over his eyes?

[Weston Super Saint]

  Saint Fan CaM said:

OK, so in that case we must be at a point where MJ's bunch have been given the green light to proceed to final DD with a bid that has been accepted in principle by Fry et al. That also means that if they're really serious they will win through and take-over will happen very shortly. But then will have nothing to spend on re-building the squad to something worthy of a play-off challenge. Not really sure whether I want to believe any of this, but frankly I am starting to think Salz's people may have a better mid-term view.

 

No.

 

We have a small piece in the Echo - notorious for it's accuracy!!! - about jackson proceeding to DD AFTER the bank holiday weekend.

 

Who knows where they got their info from, but my guess would be Jackson or Kelso Kev

 

Strangely, there isn't a confirmed quote from the administrator, I wonder why that is???

 

Also, is it just me that thinks the title of this fred is a little misleading?

Edited 25 May, 2009 by Weston Super Saint

[ottery st mary]

  Wade Garrett said:

You think this of Salz, yet you seem to be behind Jackson. Bizarre (IMHO of course).

 

nick does make me laugh.....So his group of friends came in and saved the club..they had the same chance as anyone else..strange peeps still hoping their loved one is hovvering. So much schitt being thrown around by luvvies..

[sadoldgit]

  Weston Saint said:

Nick, Salz is a good man and a fine Saints supporter.

 

He was touted for Chairman when the Execs were ousted but he was aware it was a poison chalice without investment and he did not have the funds to make a difference. However he worked hard behind the scenes trying to make a difference advising Crouch on non football matters (Crouch would not let him near any football decisions)

 

When Lowe came back it is well known the two did not see eye to eye on running Saints. Salz had to take a bi of a back seat. He has powerless to avoid Lowe putting us into Administration.

 

He has spoken to the Administrator and looked for funds to make a difference. As yet he has not beeen able to raise enough to meet the sort of figures the Administrator says will satisfy the creditors.

 

Let's stop all the squabbling of "my consortium is better than your" or "that consortium is a joke and will fail" (not aimed at you alone Nick)

 

Time will tell. None of us knows the outcome of any of it at present.

 

I would love to get to the bottom of this as I keep reading that it was Lowe who put us into admin. My understanding was that Barclays pulled the plug and that it had nothing to do with Lowe. Correct or not?

 

Also if Salz is supposed to be some kind of saviour that we are all clamoring for and he is advising Crouch, how come Crouch comes across as a well meaning nightmare for the club?

 

Either he is not taking Salz's advice or Salz is giving rubbish advice as far as I can see.

[sadoldgit]

  ottery st mary said:

nick does make me laugh.....So his group of friends came in and saved the club..they had the same chance as anyone else..strange peeps still hoping their loved one is hovvering. So much schitt being thrown around by luvvies..

 

Ottery, you really need to move on. You are turning into another Alpine mate!

 

I doubt if there is one person left here who wants Lowe back...we just want something better, something we did not get last time Lowe left.

 

The Luvvies you refer to love the club and want the best for it, wht is so bad about that?

 

Isn't it what we all want?

[ottery st mary]

  sadoldgit said:

Ottery, you really need to move on. You are turning into another Alpine mate!

 

I doubt if there is one person left here who wants Lowe back...we just want something better, something we did not get last time Lowe left.

 

The Luvvies you refer to love the club and want the best for it, wht is so bad about that?

 

Isn't it what we all want?

 

Just look at the posts that are so anti Salz and anyone else other than Jackson and Green and so called friends....Move on you say but look at you nick and group are so consumed with hatred and bile with your hissy fits as jonah puts it with anything anti Rupes:smt084 you so remind me that Rupes is not too far away....save the club...Jackson and co are having a larf...just look at nick and his posts above and for you as well, same old same old stuff. I have moved on and yet still don't trust Rupert and mob or his entourage on this forum whether it is, you nick, jonah and co because you still come out with the same and cry and stamp your feet over others views...

No doubt an admin/mod would say I should respect others views...So here goes...Best of luck to you and nick and the Jackson sideshow.

 

No offence to you and the tiller girls.:smt117

[RinNY]

  ottery st mary said:

Just look at the posts that are so anti Salz and anyone else other than Jackson and Green and so called friends....Move on you say but look at you nick and group are so consumed with hatred and bile with your hissy fits as jonah puts it with anything anti Rupes:smt084 you so remind me that Rupes is not too far away....save the club...Jackson and co are having a larf...just look at nick and his posts above and for you as well, same old same old stuff. I have moved on and yet still don't trust Rupert and mob or his entourage on this forum whether it is, you nick, jonah and co because you still come out with the same and cry and stamp your feet over others views...

No doubt an admin/mod would say I should respect others views...So here goes...Best of luck to you and nick and the Jackson sideshow.

 

No offence to you and the tiller girls.:smt117

 

 

I don't know who or what is meant by posts that are "anti Salz", unless it is anti Salz to point out that there are, according to reports, only three consortia in play to purchase Saints, and that Salz is not known to be involved with any of them, and hence is irrelevant to this whole discussion. At present, the Jackson/Green group seem to be the ones most prepared to go through with a purchase. I don't envy them, if they do, having to confront the "united" fan base who will "get behind them" by -- as we can see here before they have even gotten to exclusive status -- slagging them off unmercifully. It might occur to all of you that, whatever his faults are, Jackson has done now what Salz has never done: helped get together a consortium that is in ACTUAL TALKS to purchase Saints.

 

After all these posts, the evidence for any Salz group of potential purchasers appears to come down to this: Salz is a friend of Gavin Davies; the Sun reports that Davies has said he won't let Saints die.

 

So I'd just like to know, from the folks who keep bringing up Salz: you got anything more than that, or are you just relying on the SUn? Or better: if Salz really has a consortium of rich friends willing to buy Saints -- then where are they? Why aren't they in the process? I know, some of you have suggested that at present the asking price is too steep, and they're waiting for it to go down. Isn't that lovely. So these rich "saviors" actually don't have the money to make a purchase, aren't bothered about waiting for Saints situation to get even worse and more desperate before they cautiously think of spending some money, and yet we are to see in them our true saviors while anyone else making a bid is useless.

 

I'll expect a Salz bid when we've dropped to the Conference then, in a few years.

 

Meanwhile, I'd just like to know, if there is a consortium that genuinely puts up the millions required to buy SFC and save the club from extinction, why will people here not support it, just because someone they don't like or despise is part of that consortium? Because, evidently, old dislikes and feuds are more important than the club being saved ...

 

And for what it's worth, I have no axe to grind: I'll support anyone who saves SFC, be it Jackson & co, the Pinnacle lot, the "overseas" crowd, Salz, Davies, Crouch, Lowe, Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all, or anyone you care to name. Because it's about the club continuing to exist!

[ottery st mary]

  RinNY said:

I don't know who or what is meant by posts that are "anti Salz", unless it is anti Salz to point out that there are, according to reports, only three consortia in play to purchase Saints, and that Salz is not known to be involved with any of them, and hence is irrelevant to this whole discussion. At present, the Jackson/Green group seem to be the ones most prepared to go through with a purchase. I don't envy them, if they do, having to confront the "united" fan base who will "get behind them" by -- as we can see here before they have even gotten to exclusive status -- slagging them off unmercifully. It might occur to all of you that, whatever his faults are, Jackson has done now what Salz has never done: helped get together a consortium that is in ACTUAL TALKS to purchase Saints.

 

After all these posts, the evidence for any Salz group of potential purchasers appears to come down to this: Salz is a friend of Gavin Davies; the Sun reports that Davies has said he won't let Saints die.

 

So I'd just like to know, from the folks who keep bringing up Salz: you got anything more than that, or are you just relying on the SUn? Or better: if Salz really has a consortium of rich friends willing to buy Saints -- then where are they? Why aren't they in the process? I know, some of you have suggested that at present the asking price is too steep, and they're waiting for it to go down. Isn't that lovely. So these rich "saviors" actually don't have the money to make a purchase, aren't bothered about waiting for Saints situation to get even worse and more desperate before they cautiously think of spending some money, and yet we are to see in them our true saviors while anyone else making a bid is useless.

 

I'll expect a Salz bid when we've dropped to the Conference then, in a few years.

 

Meanwhile, I'd just like to know, if there is a consortium that genuinely puts up the millions required to buy SFC and save the club from extinction, why will people here not support it, just because someone they don't like or despise is part of that consortium? Because, evidently, old dislikes and feuds are more important than the club being saved ...

 

And for what it's worth, I have no axe to grind: I'll support anyone who saves SFC, be it Jackson & co, the Pinnacle lot, the "overseas" crowd, Salz, Davies, Crouch, Lowe, Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all, or anyone you care to name. Because it's about the club continuing to exist!

 

I respect your view that its about the club continuing to exist:)

 

But you too seem, anti Salz ..sounds like alkasetzer type remedy after reading long posts full of schitt... Then you go into one about Salz as in some of your previous posts. No disrespect but you come across just like nick and friends;-)

 

I personally have grave doubts about Jackson, Green and their mob...but you know more than me...But I suspect that it leads to more circus than substance..opinion as with Lowe and his cohorts being somewhere in the dark clouds above St Marys...You will allow me my opinion without being rude as we are all fans and want light at the end of the tunnel...It would be nice that we can get through the tunnel without surprises waiting for us before we clearly see the light or somehow prevent others blocking said route.

 

Other than some parts..your posts are brilliant:smt117

[alki_in_korea]

  RinNY said:

 

And for what it's worth, I have no axe to grind: I'll support anyone who saves SFC, be it Jackson & co, the Pinnacle lot, the "overseas" crowd, Salz, Davies, Crouch, Lowe, Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all, or anyone you care to name. Because it's about the club continuing to exist!

 

most sense anyone has posted in a while. i dont care who saves us aslong as someone does.

[Micky]

  alki_in_kprea said:

most sense anyone has posted in a while. i dont care who saves us aslong as someone does.

 

Even Rupert Lowe..?

[aintforever]

  Micky said:

Even Rupert Lowe..?

 

I think if it's a case of Lowe or bust anyone would have Lowe back.

 

However if he is in any way associated with the new owners this whole situation will obviously have been manufactured by him so I wouldn't give him a penny more.

[SaintRichmond]

  Micky said:

Even Rupert Lowe..?

 

 

I think he would say yes ....

 

.. A False Dawn, IMHO Out of the frying pan ... into the frying pan

 

Saving the Club is one thing ..... but back to how it's been for over 12 years of Non growth ...... it would not be long before only the Chapel End would be open

[SaintRichmond]

  aintforever said:

I think if it's a case of Lowe or bust anyone would have Lowe back.

 

However if he is in any way associated with the new owners this whole situation will obviously have been manufactured by him so I wouldn't give him a penny more.

 

 

 

I said that from Day One ...

[ottery st mary]

  sadoldgit said:

Ottery, you really need to move on. You are turning into another Alpine mate!

 

I doubt if there is one person left here who wants Lowe back...we just want something better, something we did not get last time Lowe left.

 

The Luvvies you refer to love the club and want the best for it, wht is so bad about that?

 

Isn't it what we all want?

 

Actually, Uncle, I idolise Alpine, Stanley and SaintRichmond...ever since I was a very little boy.:cool:....Oh! AND of course you Uncle...You sadoldgit.;-)

Edited 25 May, 2009 by ottery st mary
spellin copying nickh as usual

[EastleighSoulBoy]

  Master Bates said:

Have we won yet?

 

Oh, and Ken Tointon has 2 fit daughters, nom nom nom

 

What a constructive and educated comment!

[aintforever]

  SaintRichmond said:

I said that from Day One ...

 

I'm no expert on administration but there are alot of things which don't appear to add up, like:

 

Not selling any players and adding Saeijs, Molyneaux and Smith to the wage bill in January.

 

Going into admin a matter of days after the critical deadline - reducing the price of the club.

 

Fry wanting 500k to look at the books - Lowe already knows the books.

 

Maybe I'm just being paranoid but if Lowe ends up in control again all of the above will suddenly make sense.

[Redondo Saint]

  SaintRichmond said:

I think he would say yes ....

 

.. A False Dawn, IMHO Out of the frying pan ... into the frying pan

 

Saving the Club is one thing ..... but back to how it's been for over 12 years of Non growth ...... it would not be long before only the Chapel End would be open

 

so you would prefer to go bust than have 'non gowth'??????

 

Personally I think it unlkely anyone other than a consortium will by SFC. Are we so attractive that us fans can pick who we want to buy the club?

Some don't want MJ because he failed to buy Bournemouth and gives poor interviews.

Great. let's boycott him and wait for someone else.......

[trousers]

  miserableoldgit said:

 

  Wade Garrett said:

Personally, I think somebody who has steered the most complex mergers and takeovers in the City to completion, is a bit more likely to take us over than someone who sells ink toner and failed to see through the purchase of AFC Bournemouth.

 

I would take everything that Jackson and Greene say with a very large pinch of salt.

 

But it`s not us. It`s Fry who has to be convinced. Do you think that he would have the wool pulled over his eyes?

 

But given Fry's job is to secure as much immediate cash as he can muster, somone offering £14m with no long term investment funds for the club is more attractive to someone offering £7m now with £7m to invest in the club going forward.

 

Alas....