hypochondriac Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 So if I put a 'Fully functional Ferrari' for sale and ask that someone puts down a non-refundable deposit down to test drive the car prior to buying. They put down the money and test drive the car and it turns out that the car is actually a Toyota MR2 with a Ferrari shaped chassis plonked on top of it... they are not entitled to their money back? Probably why no one has taken him up on his offer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 because I assume they dont want to really be involved or they only want to work by themselves or tyrekickers. How many weeks have they had to try and get something organised, 80 odd ? Morph said that they were waiting to be invited to make a bid Lol. Do they think Fry is going to around all people who have ever made an interest known? People scoff at MJ but to think that makes me think they are Mickey Mouse Yes, Anthony Salz corporate lawyer and former Managing Partner of one of The City's "Magic Cirlcle" law firms is Mickey Mouse, but Marc/Mark Jackson, photocopier fiddler and phantom football bigwig is the real deal and much more of an expert on M&A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Which again makes me wonder why they havnt joined up with another consortium who it sounds like would be greatly enhanced by their skill. Like Nick I am just baffled why its taking them so long when they were in far better position than anyone else given Crouchs knowledge. A completely off the wall theory would be that Pinnacle +MJ are dummy interests to string the administrators out and then they both pull out to leave just Salz and co to buy us for a pittance. Mad I know but who knows with saints and big business. Yes MJ etc would have spent 5-6 figure sums but if it was to mean £m's reduced??? i dont think it is a serious scenario but.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 A completely off the wall theory would be that Pinnacle +MJ are dummy interests to string the administrators out and then they both pull out to leave just Salz and co to buy us for a pittance. Mad I know but who knows with saints and big business. Yes MJ etc would have spent 5-6 figure sums but if it was to mean £m's reduced??? i dont think it is a serious scenario but.. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 A completely off the wall theory would be that Pinnacle +MJ are dummy interests to string the administrators out and then they both pull out to leave just Salz and co to buy us for a pittance. Mad I know but who knows with saints and big business. Yes MJ etc would have spent 5-6 figure sums but if it was to mean £m's reduced??? i dont think it is a serious scenario but.. Hmm. I doubt that Nick. Would MLT have come out in support if that was the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 One more thing. Reading this thread and others many seem to assume that Marc Jackson will have some influence or say in the running of SFC should "his" consortium be successful in purchasing the club. As far as I am aware he is not putting any money of his own so why would he be part of the end product? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Yes, Anthony Salz corporate lawyer and former Managing Partner of one of The City's "Magic Cirlcle" law firms is Mickey Mouse, but Marc/Mark Jackson, photocopier fiddler and phantom football bigwig is the real deal and much more of an expert on M&A. Well he no doubt he is good at his work, not so effective at getting bids to buy a football club together. 18months or more his name has been bandied about so surely you can see why Iam less than enthuisiastic about him. As for Mj, perhaps he is now more experienced at getting people together and has a list of people he knows and does talk to them. I doubt all the people who set up major deals walk around in pin stripe suits and are ex Etonians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Hmm. I doubt that Nick. Would MLT have come out in support if that was the case?As i say it is off the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 One more thing. Reading this thread and others many seem to assume that Marc Jackson will have some influence or say in the running of SFC should "his" consortium be successful in purchasing the club. As far as I am aware he is not putting any money of his own so why would he be part of the end product? I imagine he will want some sort of reward for his part in things. I'm not sure what that reward would entail. He wanted to be on the board at Bournemouth and I don't believe it was his money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 As i say it is off the wall.I think you must have fallen off the wall Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 I think you must have fallen off the wall Nick Well call all the kings horses and all the kings men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Yes, Anthony Salz corporate lawyer and former Managing Partner of one of The City's "Magic Cirlcle" law firms is Mickey Mouse, but Marc/Mark Jackson, photocopier fiddler and phantom football bigwig is the real deal and much more of an expert on M&A. In the spirit of what you say ..... THAT in itself makes you wonder exactly WHY ( apparently ) Fry is taking him "seriously" ?????? .... I mean, at Bournemouth, he couldn't even guarentee that there was sand on the beach .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 I imagine he will want some sort of reward for his part in things. I'm not sure what that reward would entail. He wanted to be on the board at Bournemouth and I don't believe it was his money? I think he will be happy to have got his reputation back and see many eat their words, and perhaps commission as well.If so good luck to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Well he no doubt he is good at his work, not so effective at getting bids to buy a football club together. 18months or more his name has been bandied about so surely you can see why Iam less than enthuisiastic about him. As for Mj, perhaps he is now more experienced at getting people together and has a list of people he knows and does talk to them. I doubt all the people who set up major deals walk around in pin stripe suits and are ex Etonians. I'm just not prepared to totally back MJ yet and certainly not over someone like Salz who has been a proven success in business. Both of them have a bad past as far as SFC is concerned. All investors are equal in my book and I'll be looking at what they have to offer once they show their hand and once they are successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 I think he will be happy to have got his reputation back and see many eat their words, and perhaps commission as well.If so good luck to him Are you sure Nick? It is something I would be nervous about should their group be successful (whilst being happy to have a club at the same time.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Saint Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Knowing many who are in the Salz camp don't knock them. They are passionate Saints Supporters. They are very successful business men. Their skills are sought after particularly in the UK and they have no need to work if they do not want to. Their only weakness is the inability to be able, themselves, to commit enough money to Saints to make them front runners to purchase from the Administrator. They will not waste his time (as tyre kickers tend to do). They had preliminary talks the week we went into Admin. I suspect Fry has them within his radar should all else fail. Morph will know doubt put me right if I am wide of the mark. They sound like the right guys to me. They could provide a firm foundation on which to rebuild the club. We don't need mega money to get out of this league, just a proven manager with good contacts who is able to build a team with loan players as necessary. You only have to look to see what Gillingham have done on a shoestring budget with Mark Stimson & I bet they do well next season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 They sound like the right guys to me. They could provide a firm foundation on which to rebuild the club. We don't need mega money to get out of this league, just a proven manager with good contacts who is able to build a team with loan players as necessary. You only have to look to see what Gillingham have done on a shoestring budget with Mark Stimson & I bet they do well next season too.The problem is that if they haven't submitted a bid Fry could put us into liquidation before they have time to act.I would assume they should put a formal bid in so Fry does have thatr fall back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 I'm just not prepared to totally back MJ yet and certainly not over someone like Salz who has been a proven success in business. Both of them have a bad past as far as SFC is concerned. All investors are equal in my book and I'll be looking at what they have to offer once they show their hand and once they are successful. I also will back anybody who eventually takes over, but in the meantime Id rather take the bird in the hand rather than the one in the bush.If MJ fails Ill soon jump ship to the next potential winner as we need it to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefuriousb Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 (edited) Leon is very much in with the Salz Consortium. Kind Regards Morph The one with nowhere near the sort of money Mark Fry is seeking either? So what makes them more likely to succeed than MJ/Green on that simple basis Is their square root of FA better? Seems to me Leon is just wasting his money Edited 24 May, 2009 by thefuriousb spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 It's a sad indictment of the gullibility of fans on this forum that Marc Jackson is actually being taken seriously. You have been warned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefuriousb Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Forget it , He is Everton Through & Through. Funny that cos he grew up supporting the team in red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 I also will back anybody who eventually takes over, but in the meantime Id rather take the bird in the hand rather than the one in the bush.If MJ fails Ill soon jump ship to the next potential winner as we need it to survive. Its just if we are looking at Salz failing then we must also look at LLS as well. Besides, officially we haven't heard anything yet, just stuff we can get from people we trust. I want to hear from the administrator first before I decide they are our only option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 It's a sad indictment of the gullibility of fans on this forum that Marc Jackson is actually being taken seriously. You have been warned. I'm being told of the seriousness of the bid by people I trust far far more than Jackson. I wouldn't believe it if he told me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefuriousb Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 We don't need mega money to get out of this league, just a proven manager with good contacts who is able to build a team with loan players as necessary. You only have to look to see what Gillingham have done on a shoestring budget with Mark Stimson & I bet they do well next season too. You are quite right. You don't need maga money to get out of the league. You do, though, appear to have mega money to do the deal with the creditors. This not so small sticking point would seem to cast doubt on the Salz group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Probably why no one has taken him up on his offer... Good point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 It's a sad indictment of the gullibility of fans on this forum that Marc Jackson is actually being taken seriously. You have been warned. No .... What we fans say on here counts for Zilch in terms of us being in Admin ...... Surely, it is the Gullibility of Fry you should be queationing ...... it is he who is taking Jackson seriously ....... any thoughts as to WHY Stanley ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 No .... What we fans say on here counts for Zilch in terms of us being in Admin ...... Surely, it is the Gullibility of Fry you should be queationing ...... it is he who is taking Jackson seriously ....... any thoughts as to WHY Stanley ??? But then Fry has the full facts of any bid. The only thing we know about the Jackson bid is that Marc is in some way involved, probably the guy who just got the investors interested in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 It's a sad indictment of the gullibility of fans on this forum that Marc Jackson is actually being taken seriously. You have been warned. What do drowning men clutch at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 What do drowning men clutch at? .... The last bottle of Guinness ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 One more thing. Reading this thread and others many seem to assume that Marc Jackson will have some influence or say in the running of SFC should "his" consortium be successful in purchasing the club. As far as I am aware he is not putting any money of his own so why would he be part of the end product? 'Association' is bad enough even if he doesnt make the boardroom. I read somewhere on here he was at a FA course ? If again you believe what others have said on here. That they know past directors then i fully expect them to be involved somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 You are quite right. You don't need maga money to get out of the league. You do, though, appear to have mega money to do the deal with the creditors. This not so small sticking point would seem to cast doubt on the Salz group. If Salz and his allies appear to be suggesting that they're in but only at a bargain-basement price, this doesn't mean they're poor necessarily. And given Salz's connections (including the very locally connected Rothschild family), the very idea seems a bit odd. But I'd be surprised to see them make any kind of move until the MJ bid - and any other bid that might be out there - falls apart. Salz's people clearly want to avoid a bidding war - which is likely in the long run to be bad for the club - but seem very secure in their certainty that the MJ bid is rubbish. All of which we're all going to have to wait longer than we can probably stand before we know whether we still have a football team to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 I believe it was Salz or someone conected with him who said they would "never let the club die"? Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 I believe it was Salz or someone conected with him who said they would "never let the club die"? Is that correct?I think HR said that about Bournemouth just before they went into admin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 I think HR said that about Bournemouth just before they went into admin Well yes but then that is Redknapp. From what I have heard from Salz I would be inclined to trust him and the company he keeps a hell of a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenwilkins Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 If Salz and his allies appear to be suggesting that they're in but only at a bargain-basement price, this doesn't mean they're poor necessarily. And given Salz's connections (including the very locally connected Rothschild family), the very idea seems a bit odd. But I'd be surprised to see them make any kind of move until the MJ bid - and any other bid that might be out there - falls apart. Salz's people clearly want to avoid a bidding war - which is likely in the long run to be bad for the club - but seem very secure in their certainty that the MJ bid is rubbish. All of which we're all going to have to wait longer than we can probably stand before we know whether we still have a football team to support. Good post - I can wait (I think). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 I'm being told of the seriousness of the bid by people I trust far far more than Jackson. I wouldn't believe it if he told me. I've heard it all before. I'll stand by my instincts and past precedents when it comes to jacko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 I've heard it all before. I'll stand by my instincts and past precedents when it comes to jacko. Fair enough. All we can do is wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 I think HR said that about Bournemouth just before they went into admin To be fair, going into admin doesn't mean it's dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaintyDave Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Annoying to hear that Salz is waiting for Jackson's bid to fail. Either Salz get a move on or Jackson FRO before you damage the club and yourself any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Annoying to hear that Salz is waiting for Jackson's bid to fail. Either Salz get a move on or Jackson FRO before you damage the club and yourself any more. your posts are getting more and more desperate.If an unknown consortium were trying to buy us I doubt you'd be so worried.MJ is just the frontman, if Salz IS there we have a safety net so we are quids in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenwilkins Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Annoying to hear that Salz is waiting for Jackson's bid to fail. Either Salz get a move on or Jackson FRO before you damage the club and yourself any more. If Jackson's "bid" is keeping the asking price artificially high and Salz's group can't or won't pay an inflated price surely they have no choice but to wait until the former falls apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 MJ is just the frontman You've got to be kidding. MJ is just a fantasist weirdo that is putting the future of SFC in grave danger with his fantasist games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 If Jackson's "bid" is keeping the asking price artificially high and Salz's group can't or won't pay an inflated price surely they have no choice but to wait until the former falls apart. Jacko involved at Bournemouth. Jacko involved at Saints. It makes you wonder whether he's been given a back hander by someone to try and force the sale price up for real bidders... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 MJ is just the frontman Here lies the problem, he says he's a frontman but as in the Bournemouth case and Saints previously he doesn't represent anyone. I just hope Fry realises that with Jackson he's not even talking to the organ grinder's monkey, it's a monkey who has contact to another organ grinder's monkey. I hope he pulls it off but I would bet my house and all it's contents nothing comes of this and more very costly time is wasted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Here lies the problem, he says he's a frontman but as in the Bournemouth case and Saints previously he doesn't represent anyone. I just hope Fry realises that with Jackson he's not even talking to the organ grinder's monkey, it's a monkey who has contact to another organ grinder's monkey. I hope he pulls it off but I would bet my house and all it's contents nothing comes of this and more very costly time is wasted From Frys point of view maybe Jacko is helpful. A fantasist bidder is better than no competition for a real bidder. I wonder how much Jacko has cost Bournemouth and Saints with his games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenwilkins Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 From Frys point of view maybe Jacko is helpful. A fantasist bidder is better than no competition for a real bidder. I wonder how much Jacko has cost Bournemouth and Saints with his games? I certainly wouldn't want to accuse Jacko of being part of a conspiracy here but if there was only one bidder (say Salz) the price would have been lower, hopefully leaving more for the future club to invest. I also imagine the deal would have been done and dusted by now which means Fry would be back in his office in Southend and no longer getting fees from Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carljack Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 One more thing. Reading this thread and others many seem to assume that Marc Jackson will have some influence or say in the running of SFC should "his" consortium be successful in purchasing the club. As far as I am aware he is not putting any money of his own so why would he be part of the end product? That anyone with any sense would listen to this BULLSH@TTER, or even worse let him spend their money tells me that this stinks,I respect your sincerity Weston but there is something not quite right with this MJ consortium. Saint till I die! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Whjat a complete bunch of muppets and Walter Mitty's on here.....you know who you are......claiming to know this, that and the other. And never being anywhere close to the reality/truth. For those of you who seem to be completely thick as pigs***t and can't get it into their thick heads................ WE ARE IN ADMINISTRATION AND RIGHT NOW THERE APPEARS TO BE ONE GROUP WHO ARE PUTTING THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS. AND IT AIN'T BLOODY SALZ!!! If jackson comes through then I, for one, will applaud him and thank him for getting us to a position where our club could be saved. Anything else is just pure noise right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Jeez Art I hope the July is the the typo not the June in your first part. ANOTHER 6 weeks of this....... Sorry for the delay in getting back to you Phil. ARTOVISION seems to have been a little blurred when I posted and I've misquoted not only about the 7th of July but also the New Moon. It is the Full Moon that is on the 7th of June and if Mr Fry is reading he should have all the positive forces of the New Moon of the 22nd of May assisting him to take full advantage of the improvement in situation as from the 31st of this month i.e. next weekend. As long as things have been started and are progressing at present we should be able to hope for a decent conclusion in the coming couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Whjat a complete bunch of muppets and Walter Mitty's on here.....you know who you are......claiming to know this, that and the other. And never being anywhere close to the reality/truth. For those of you who seem to be completely thick as pigs***t and can't get it into their thick heads................ WE ARE IN ADMINISTRATION AND RIGHT NOW THERE APPEARS TO BE ONE GROUP WHO ARE PUTTING THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS. AND IT AIN'T BLOODY SALZ!!! If jackson comes through then I, for one, will applaud him and thank him for getting us to a position where our club could be saved. Anything else is just pure noise right now. I think, strictly speaking, the only person to put his money where his mouth is so far is Leon Crouch, who is part of the Salz consortium, if Morph is to be believed. One of the few facts of which we're certain is that MJ's party baulked at the upfront payment of £500,000. Whether they did this for tactical reasons, or simply couldn't afford it, it hardly amounts to putting their money where their mouth is, does it? The only costs they're currently incurring would be accountants' fees for due diligence, which may or may not lead to their confirming their bid. Like you and everyone else, I hope there's a club still standing at the end of this. (Last post of the day - damn this 3 posts limit!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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