miserableoldgit Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Probably, but that is what I am so nothing new there. Don`t feel too bad nick, because no matter what you know, nearly everybody on here knows a lot more. FACT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Probably, but that is what I am so nothing new there. Fair enough mate, i just don't want to see you make a fool of yourself that's all. Far too many keen fans have been used by the likes of jackson this past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 mb is correct . i heard on solent that fry is very optimistic that a deal will be done within 48 hours. they said on solent they will disclose details shortly Most likely the deal will be that all current debts have been cleared ..... but the Stadium has been remortgaed yet again, and we will now be in debt to the tune of £100M, to be paid back over 250 years ......... .... We will NOT get the clean slate that some people think we will have ..... just the same old minefields ...... with twice as many mines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Nickh - sorry, but i dont buy the leaked stuff etc - i would with respect suggest that nobody serious about taling over at teh club will be talking to anyone not directly associated with the deal, apart from info leaked that is designed to find its way into the media to generate interest or publicity, or is complete and utter ******. I suggest this because peviously I have heard such ****** first hand form one of the curent interested parties. We as fans are so desperate to hear positive news and also our own egos are naturally boosted by thinking we have been brought into a select group of hush hush wink wink ITKers that we want to believe and so are less vigilent than we would normally be and more susceptable to the accepting these visions or glory. As any other fan, right now we need anything that will save usand yes we should be grateful to anyone who coms in, but my head warns that unless those that do have a strong track record of being able to turn around companies on the brink, and the experience and knowledge to work within a strict financila framework, which may be at odds with fan expectations, it wont be long before we are in the same boat again - I dont believe that teh current front runners have that necessary knowledge or experince and more importantly controlled egos to make it work and it scares me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Most likely the deal will be that all current debts have been cleared ..... but the Stadium has been remortgaed yet again, and we will now be in debt to the tune of £100M, to be paid back over 250 years ......... .... We will NOT get the clean slate that some people think we will have ..... just the same old minefields ...... with twice as many mines Under those terms NOBODY will buy the club and Aviva would have to wave goodbye to all bar maybe £1m of their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Due diligence -UHm... five days... in our case t should be pretty transparent what we owe' date=' but perhaps more interesting will be what the current contractual obligations mean for our cost base. The key will be for someone with sufficient experience of running businesses that need turning around (eg hopefully not folk with track records of previous buisnesses going into admin or being liquidated) and bullsh i t free approach to not overstating the potntial to fans, or making promises the wallet simply cant back up...[/quote'] I have been trying to think of examples. One may be "Sell on clauses" in player contracts. For example Theo had one and then we got an early payment, the buyers would want to know the exact details. Other ones like the whole sponsorship and advertising contracts around the stadium/pitch. A lot of work needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Under those terms NOBODY will buy the club and Aviva would have to wave goodbye to all bar maybe £1m of their money. I hope you are right .... the last thing we want is to be lumbered with a rescue package that leaves us further in the Muck than we were .... Ideally, a clean slate ......( you can't buy much if you are already in hock ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Under those terms NOBODY will buy the club and Aviva would have to wave goodbye to all bar maybe £1m of their money. Thing is... yes a 'clean slate' is very desirable, but to be honest unless we have someone with inexcess of 30 mil oavailable, i am not sure its the best way to go... surely the best way is 3-5 mil for the club which clears the Barcalys debt and then come to a new contracts with AVIVA that guarrantees them ALL thei money back + interset over a slightly longer term with clauses that dictate the repayments based on which division we are in - allowing the new owners to invest appropriately in improving the the playing side of things... especially when its clear we have bids that are strugglinmg to raise in excess of 8 milin total - and likely to overstretch certain backers as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 I have been trying to think of examples. One may be "Sell on clauses" in player contracts. For example Theo had one and then we got an early payment, the buyers would want to know the exact details. Other ones like the whole sponsorship and advertising contracts around the stadium/pitch. A lot of work needed You would have thought that an administrator would ahve created a kiind of super version of the new HIP (Home information Pack) with all these details spelled out to improve the time frame for a sale. Mind you if offereing a super New HIP maybe that would also fuel rumours of Strachans return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 You would have thought that an administrator would ahve created a kiind of super version of the new HIP (Home information Pack) with all these details spelled out to improve the time frame for a sale. Mind you if offereing a super New HIP maybe that would also fuel rumours of Strachans return?[/quote] Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Nickh - sorry, but i dont buy the leaked stuff etc - i would with respect suggest that nobody serious about taling over at teh club will be talking to anyone not directly associated with the deal, apart from info leaked that is designed to find its way into the media to generate interest or publicity, or is complete and utter ******. I suggest this because peviously I have heard such ****** first hand form one of the curent interested parties. We as fans are so desperate to hear positive news and also our own egos are naturally boosted by thinking we have been brought into a select group of hush hush wink wink ITKers that we want to believe and so are less vigilent than we would normally be and more susceptable to the accepting these visions or glory. As any other fan, right now we need anything that will save usand yes we should be grateful to anyone who coms in, but my head warns that unless those that do have a strong track record of being able to turn around companies on the brink, and the experience and knowledge to work within a strict financila framework, which may be at odds with fan expectations, it wont be long before we are in the same boat again - I dont believe that teh current front runners have that necessary knowledge or experince and more importantly controlled egos to make it work and it scares me... It is not leaked stuff just info that I have heard.I have not stated it is chapter and verse.I am wary of MJ's past debacle and in these most dangerous times where any bid could fail and then we as a club are gone I wish to support the bid i believe is the frontrunner. The bits I have had may well be all fantasist stuff, but wouldnt we all be sick if MJ had really got a deal to save us and then pilloc## who have agandas come on and p### off him or even through 3rd parties unnerve the people behind him.I am supportive as i hate to see people given a kicking when all the time they have invested time and monmey getting something to the table.I try to look at it from my warped logic.MJ has got Fry (who most would accept is a hardened business man)to listen and accept him as a bidder.Now surely to have that happen should show he has some substance somewhere behind him.Fry will look fairly stupid is his company get caught by the same man twice, how would that make them look in the trade and importantly his own ego.Pinnacle I know little of apart from a hastily put together website that had MJ done the same would have been pilloried.MLT's backing gave them lots of kudos. That made the fans believe it was best,they may be right but where has that bid gone? Again i want the best for the club and so my concerns with the Salz bid is that we will get more deductions as they probably not in a position to stop us getting more penalties.As ive said before and now agian i just dearly wish for the club to survive above all else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Fair enough mate, i just don't want to see you make a fool of yourself that's all. Far too many keen fans have been used by the likes of jackson this past few years.thats ok Stanley, I know the dangers of trying to put a word in for MJ. Many are now sharpening their knives.I saw when I put up the whisper I had from the club a couple of weks ago about the imminent takeover what backlash I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Thinking aloud here: Jackson and Green are clearly the front for someone else. (Dubai Phil has insinuated that they may not be involved after the takeover I think.) Not many businessmen would take Green and Jackson especially, seriously. So who is heading up the consortium behind them? Who wouldn't want his name mentioned to soon? Who trusted J & G enough to give them exclusivity on selling his group's shares last year? Am I warm Phil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 So who is heading up the consortium behind them? Who wouldn't want his name mentioned to soon? Who trusted J & G enough to give them exclusivity on selling his group's shares last year? Has been alluded to many times, SaintRichmond has well and truly got it between his teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Thinking aloud here: Jackson and Green are clearly the front for someone else. (Dubai Phil has insinuated that they may not be involved after the takeover I think.) Not many businessmen would take Green and Jackson especially, seriously. So who is heading up the consortium behind them? Who wouldn't want his name mentioned to soon? Who trusted J & G enough to give them exclusivity on selling his group's shares last year? Am I warm Phil? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 It is not leaked stuff just info that I have heard.I have not stated it is chapter and verse.I am wary of MJ's past debacle and in these most dangerous times where any bid could fail and then we as a club are gone I wish to support the bid i believe is the frontrunner. The bits I have had may well be all fantasist stuff, but wouldnt we all be sick if MJ had really got a deal to save us and then pilloc## who have agandas come on and p### off him or even through 3rd parties unnerve the people behind him.I am supportive as i hate to see people given a kicking when all the time they have invested time and monmey getting something to the table.I try to look at it from my warped logic.MJ has got Fry (who most would accept is a hardened business man)to listen and accept him as a bidder.Now surely to have that happen should show he has some substance somewhere behind him.Fry will look fairly stupid is his company get caught by the same man twice, how would that make them look in the trade and importantly his own ego.Pinnacle I know little of apart from a hastily put together website that had MJ done the same would have been pilloried.MLT's backing gave them lots of kudos. That made the fans believe it was best,they may be right but where has that bid gone? Again i want the best for the club and so my concerns with the Salz bid is that we will get more deductions as they probably not in a position to stop us getting more penalties.As ive said before and now agian i just dearly wish for the club to survive above all else. Sorry, NIck, any serious bidder is NOT going to be put off by 30 or so sceptics on a web forum, they will expect some concern and some questioning from certain quarters and will be prepared to win them over with their business plan knowing that it is right for the club in its present circumstances - or they will just think that its a few trouble makers and ignore them. If 'put off' by a few miserable old scrotes such as us I respectfully suggest they were never really serious and we become s convenient 'excuse' when they pull out... IF MJ pulls it off and has a decent sustainable plan, I will be the first in line to take my hat off to him, shake his hand and apologise for the cynicism and support a new regime - but if what you ahve heard includes 'warning's that a few post on here could 'upset' teh bid, then that would worry me even more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 No.London based sports investment company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 (edited) Thinking aloud here: Jackson and Green are clearly the front for someone else. (Dubai Phil has insinuated that they may not be involved after the takeover I think.) Not many businessmen would take Green and Jackson especially, seriously. So who is heading up the consortium behind them? Who wouldn't want his name mentioned to soon? Who trusted J & G enough to give them exclusivity on selling his group's shares last year? Am I warm Phil? I can't imagine ................ Edited 26 May, 2009 by SaintRichmond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Sorry' date=' NIck, any serious bidder is NOT going to be put off by 30 or so sceptics on a web forum[/quote'] A certain ginger tranny springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 London based sports investment company? No idea who is behind the bids but it has nothing at all to do with Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Sorry, NIck, any serious bidder is NOT going to be put off by 30 or so sceptics on a web forum, they will expect some concern and some questioning from certain quarters and will be prepared to win them over with their business plan knowing that it is right for the club in its present circumstances - or they will just think that its a few trouble makers and ignore them. If 'put off' by a few miserable old scrotes such as us I respectfully suggest they were never really serious and we become s convenient 'excuse' when they pull out... IF MJ pulls it off and has a decent sustainable plan, I will be the first in line to take my hat off to him, shake his hand and apologise for the cynicism and support a new regime - but if what you ahve heard includes 'warning's that a few post on here could 'upset' teh bid, then that would worry me even more... No I have not had any warnings of that at all. The same way as any thing is debated on here, in the main it is just a few rabble rousers. A few people in the past thought it was worth putting publisists on here though if not post themselves.The media have been known to get info as well.The majority is nonsense and false rumour and the bits I have heard spoken to me may be as well.I hope I can judge people quite well although none of us are infallible to clever dreamers. Anyway now Fry has stated yet again the next 48 hours we will hold our breath.If MJ's fantacist 11 are sent away with thier tails between their legs and Salz'sboys get the nod we can rally behind them. People just dont sem to be able to absorb the simple concept that as a fan I just want the club to survive and of course in the best shape.If my assessment is right and that Salz's bid may take longer and us not coming out with a CVA we will be in a worse state.Only my opinion though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Has been alluded to many times, SaintRichmond has well and truly got it between his teeth Dead right my friend .. Simple logic .. Is he still alive ? ... Yes Has he emigrated ? ... No Is he too quiet ? ... Yes Does he love the Saints ? ... Yes (his opinion) Has he got unfinished business ? ... Oh Yes Is his middle name Limpet ? ... Yes He's involved SOMEWHERE ..... put your mortgage on it .... PS ... Jackson is just the sort of Stooge he'd use as a front man ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 mb is correct . i heard on solent that fry is very optimistic that a deal will be done within 48 hours. they said on solent they will disclose details shortly Cheers. It was on at 11am, I got to the radio at 11.04 and missed it!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 It is not leaked stuff just info that I have heard.I have not stated it is chapter and verse.I am wary of MJ's past debacle and in these most dangerous times where any bid could fail and then we as a club are gone I wish to support the bid i believe is the frontrunner. The bits I have had may well be all fantasist stuff, but wouldnt we all be sick if MJ had really got a deal to save us and then pilloc## who have agandas come on and p### off him or even through 3rd parties unnerve the people behind him.I am supportive as i hate to see people given a kicking when all the time they have invested time and monmey getting something to the table.I try to look at it from my warped logic.MJ has got Fry (who most would accept is a hardened business man)to listen and accept him as a bidder.Now surely to have that happen should show he has some substance somewhere behind him.Fry will look fairly stupid is his company get caught by the same man twice, how would that make them look in the trade and importantly his own ego.Pinnacle I know little of apart from a hastily put together website that had MJ done the same would have been pilloried.MLT's backing gave them lots of kudos. That made the fans believe it was best,they may be right but where has that bid gone? Again i want the best for the club and so my concerns with the Salz bid is that we will get more deductions as they probably not in a position to stop us getting more penalties.As ive said before and now agian i just dearly wish for the club to survive above all else. Nick, anyone who is going to buy this club is going to get, over a period of time, some serious schiit from the fanbase. It goes with the territory. Even Lowe had the ability to hold his nerve! So if us pillox on here p155 any prospective buyer off now it would seem that they haven't the gumption to carry the thing through in the first place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Cheers. It was on at 11am, I got to the radio at 11.04 and missed it!!!!!!!!!!!I didn't hear anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 I didn't hear anything. Funnily enough, neither did I just "more updates as and when" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Nick, anyone who is going to buy this club is going to get, over a period of time, some serious schiit from the fanbase. It goes with the territory. Even Lowe had the ability to hold his nerve! So if us pillox on here p155 any prospective buyer off now it would seem that they haven't the gumption to carry the thing through in the first place! I think I'd rather just not risk it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 A certain ginger tranny springs to mind. You can get pills for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Nick, anyone who is going to buy this club is going to get, over a period of time, some serious schiit from the fanbase. It goes with the territory. Even Lowe had the ability to hold his nerve! So if us pillox on here p155 any prospective buyer off now it would seem that they haven't the gumption to carry the thing through in the first place!Yes I realise that. I t would be good not to leytt the buyers know that too soon.Not everybody is aware of what a no win situation being a football club owner is!!!! My friend knew the old chaorman of Borunemouth about 3-4 times ago.He said to him you dont know the feeling you get when just after he had signed a personal cheque to keep the club going and walking out of the ground then to be spat on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Sorry, NIck, any serious bidder is NOT going to be put off by 30 or so sceptics on a web forum, they will expect some concern and some questioning from certain quarters and will be prepared to win them over with their business plan knowing that it is right for the club in its present circumstances - or they will just think that its a few trouble makers and ignore them. If 'put off' by a few miserable old scrotes such as us I respectfully suggest they were never really serious and we become s convenient 'excuse' when they pull out... IF MJ pulls it off and has a decent sustainable plan, I will be the first in line to take my hat off to him, shake his hand and apologise for the cynicism and support a new regime - but if what you ahve heard includes 'warning's that a few post on here could 'upset' teh bid, then that would worry me even more... I'm with you - and my cynicism remains. Although I think it is all meant in good faith, I really cannot bring myself to believe that we have not attracted the 'quality' of buyer that many on here said that we would have little trouble in courting. Now we are left with a 'Photocopier Salesman / Business Strategist' to hopefully try to bail us out - even if they do manage to do a deal, I seriously worry about the short term (never mind the long term) investment and running of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 If no deal goes through some may look to take F in Fry out Now if you had said the F and the R........I'd be asking Y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 I'm with you - and my cynicism remains. Although I think it is all meant in good faith, I really cannot bring myself to believe that we have not attracted the 'quality' of buyer that many on here said that we would have little trouble in courting. Now we are left with a 'Photocopier Salesman / Business Strategist' to hopefully try to bail us out - even if they do manage to do a deal, I seriously worry about the short term (never mind the long term) investment and running of the club. I only wish we had a consortium of fan investors/businessmen in construction, engineering, housing and perhaps even somebody who had done things in the City, combined with solicitors and accountants.That would do the job. Some may even promise to put some extra money in as well as soon as they get the club.............oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Nick, anyone who is going to buy this club is going to get, over a period of time, some serious schiit from the fanbase. It goes with the territory. Even Lowe had the ability to hold his nerve! So if us pillox on here p155 any prospective buyer off now it would seem that they haven't the gumption to carry the thing through in the first place! Exactley - if your business acumen and plan is not strong enough to hold up under a little scrutiny and critisism from a handful of customers (based on your past performance as well) then you really are in the wrong job. You really shouldn't be conducting any of your business here anyway - and personally I don't believe that certain people have been able to contain themselves and stay away. Pretty unprofessional give recent events. Most corporate companies come in for critisism from a proportion of their customers - it goes with the territory and is something that you have to deal with in a professional manner. Running away from a deal because of a few misplaced quotes and comments on an internet forum is hardly indicative of professional, ambitious and driven business people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Running away from a deal because of a few misplaced quotes and comments on an internet forum is hardly indicative of professional, ambitious and driven business people. Im not sure if I have put my post across correctly.I didnt say they would walk away due to what was on here but if a name got out as i asume they want anominity until it is signed and sealed.I assume then if the bid fails they have not been wounded by the failure..who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 I only wish we had a consortium of fan investors/businessmen in construction, engineering, housing and perhaps even somebody who had done things in the City, combined with solicitors and accountants.That would do the job. Some may even promise to put some extra money in as well as soon as they get the club.............oh But have they Nick - where is the evidence that this deal is coming with further investment for the club. I'm not knocking MJ's ambition and purpose, but I really do find it incredible that from a starting lot of 35 odd bids - this is where we are now. And it doesn't appear that there are any other real bids about. You cannot blame people for judging MJ. He has history, (as we all do) here on this board, and it is a simple as that. He will be judged on that history - it's human nature unfortunately. I judge everybody here by what they write. Alps, TDD, Stanley, Dalek the whole lot of them. Yes I am happy that we, hopefully, will be saved - but my thoughts and wishes for MJ (as posted elsewhere) remain extant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 But have they Nick - where is the evidence that this deal is coming with further investment for the club. I'm not knocking MJ's ambition and purpose, but I really do find it incredible that from a starting lot of 35 odd bids - this is where we are now. And it doesn't appear that there are any other real bids about. You cannot blame people for judging MJ. He has history, (as we all do) here on this board, and it is a simple as that. He will be judged on that history - it's human nature unfortunately. I judge everybody here by what they write. Alps, TDD, Stanley, Dalek the whole lot of them. Yes I am happy that we, hopefully, will be saved - but my thoughts and wishes for MJ (as posted elsewhere) remain extant.The quote about putting extra was a little swipe at a promise by a couple of people in the past if you didnt pick it.Nothing to do with anyone in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Im not sure if I have put my post across correctly.I didnt say they would walk away due to what was on here but if a name got out as i asume they want anominity until it is signed and sealed.I assume then if the bid fails they have not been wounded by the failure..who knows Nick - surely if they don't want a name to get out then they should just sssshhhhhhhush until the deal is done eh? Like I said - do business professionally. BTW - It's not Rod Stewart as posted on (yet) another ITK thread this morning is it...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Thinking aloud here: Jackson and Green are clearly the front for someone else. (Dubai Phil has insinuated that they may not be involved after the takeover I think.) Not many businessmen would take Green and Jackson especially, seriously. So who is heading up the consortium behind them? Who wouldn't want his name mentioned to soon? Who trusted J & G enough to give them exclusivity on selling his group's shares last year? Am I warm Phil? lmfao, no mate not even close. I'm actually insulted that anyone could think I would give any small amount of help that in anyway allowed HIM back in. Jeez, can you honestly see ANY Saints fan doing that? Good grief Oh and you are very wrong on the comment about Stuart Green Oh, and that person didn't give exclusivity, the people at Seymour Pierce would take issue with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 FWIW, I have had my opinion of MJ for some time now. Having sent me a PM way before he got heavily involved in all this stuff and his melt down on this site. What I can tell you, is that I know business he was talking about and the clubs he mentioned. However, I would say that his 'view' was wildly exaggerated. Not saying he lied or made stuff up, just that his opinion on certain 'matters' were IMO, extremely over inflated. So, what does this lead me to believe this time? I believe he is involved. I felt that whilst all was quiet, that maybe he' learned his lessons from the Bournemouth debacle. But, we're starting to get these 'snippets' once again and I fear that those MJ insecurities are raising their ugly heads again and he is reaching for the self destruct button. Because, one thing you know, if you've watched this forum and MJ with interest, is that MJ doesn;t go quietly, you see the storm forming in the distance and it starts to roll in. And then, all hell breaks loose! And MJ will spit the dummy and storm off, taking his ball and all. His intentions are pure, I'm sure, however, I tend to disagree with MJ's vision of reality and so am not 100% convinced that this deal will go through, but there is potential. But for the fact that it maybe the only deal on table, I wouldn't even be reading this thread. I am wholly disappointed that Saltz or Davies have not entered the 'race', apparently, they're not even at the track! All this nonsense about them wanting to come in after the horse has bolted is all bluff and nonsense, because the only thing of any worth by that point will be the land value, hence the small offerings. And if they only want to come in, in order to build houses, then it may as well be Lowe! MJ, is the only horse in this race, I just fear that even in a one horse race, the horse won't make it to the finish line! I hope to be proved wrong, because, at the moment, it's MJ or nothing. And seeing how MJ has never delivered, looks like it's nothing or nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 You would have thought that an administrator would ahve created a kiind of super version of the new HIP (Home information Pack) with all these details spelled out to improve the time frame for a sale. Mind you if offereing a super New HIP maybe that would also fuel rumours of Strachans return? Actually, they did do something like that. The term I heard was "Sales Pack". The issue as has been commented on is that Fry will not "Warranty" that information. This then causes the slight confusion between the first "Due Dilligence" which was probably that info and actually going into micro details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 FWIW, I have had my opinion of MJ for some time now. Having sent me a PM way before he got heavily involved in all this stuff and his melt down on this site. What I can tell you, is that I know business he was talking about and the clubs he mentioned. However, I would say that his 'view' was wildly exaggerated. Not saying he lied or made stuff up, just that his opinion on certain 'matters' were IMO, extremely over inflated. So, what does this lead me to believe this time? I believe he is involved. I felt that whilst all was quiet, that maybe he' learned his lessons from the Bournemouth debacle. But, we're starting to get these 'snippets' once again and I fear that those MJ insecurities are raising their ugly heads again and he is reaching for the self destruct button. Because, one thing you know, if you've watched this forum and MJ with interest, is that MJ doesn;t go quietly, you see the storm forming in the distance and it starts to roll in. And then, all hell breaks loose! And MJ will spit the dummy and storm off, taking his ball and all. His intentions are pure, I'm sure, however, I tend to disagree with MJ's vision of reality and so am not 100% convinced that this deal will go through, but there is potential. But for the fact that it maybe the only deal on table, I wouldn't even be reading this thread. I am wholly disappointed that Saltz or Davies have not entered the 'race', apparently, they're not even at the track! All this nonsense about them wanting to come in after the horse has bolted is all bluff and nonsense, because the only thing of any worth by that point will be the land value, hence the small offerings. And if they only want to come in, in order to build houses, then it may as well be Lowe! MJ, is the only horse in this race, I just fear that even in a one horse race, the horse won't make it to the finish line! I hope to be proved wrong, because, at the moment, it's MJ or nothing. And seeing how MJ has never delivered, looks like it's nothing or nothing! Well put JS. Like I keep saying, where is the rest of the cavalry? Is there truly no safety net? What happens if they find a problem or it isn't real. Yours Worried of Safa Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 FWIW, I have had my opinion of MJ for some time now. Having sent me a PM way before he got heavily involved in all this stuff and his melt down on this site. What I can tell you, is that I know business he was talking about and the clubs he mentioned. However, I would say that his 'view' was wildly exaggerated. Not saying he lied or made stuff up, just that his opinion on certain 'matters' were IMO, extremely over inflated. So, what does this lead me to believe this time? I believe he is involved. I felt that whilst all was quiet, that maybe he' learned his lessons from the Bournemouth debacle. But, we're starting to get these 'snippets' once again and I fear that those MJ insecurities are raising their ugly heads again and he is reaching for the self destruct button. Because, one thing you know, if you've watched this forum and MJ with interest, is that MJ doesn;t go quietly, you see the storm forming in the distance and it starts to roll in. And then, all hell breaks loose! And MJ will spit the dummy and storm off, taking his ball and all. His intentions are pure, I'm sure, however, I tend to disagree with MJ's vision of reality and so am not 100% convinced that this deal will go through, but there is potential. But for the fact that it maybe the only deal on table, I wouldn't even be reading this thread. I am wholly disappointed that Saltz or Davies have not entered the 'race', apparently, they're not even at the track! All this nonsense about them wanting to come in after the horse has bolted is all bluff and nonsense, because the only thing of any worth by that point will be the land value, hence the small offerings. And if they only want to come in, in order to build houses, then it may as well be Lowe! MJ, is the only horse in this race, I just fear that even in a one horse race, the horse won't make it to the finish line! I hope to be proved wrong, because, at the moment, it's MJ or nothing. And seeing how MJ has never delivered, looks like it's nothing or nothing! Can't disagree with any of this JS. I wonder how many of us thought, whilst we were all smirking at the now infamous 'Botch Job of Bournemouth' - that in a couple of years we would be praying for the same said person to come to our aid? Not many methinks..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Nick - surely if they don't want a name to get out then they should just sssshhhhhhhush until the deal is done eh? Like I said - do business professionally. BTW - It's not Rod Stewart as posted on (yet) another ITK thread this morning is it...? Perhaps they speak to people who have integrity and know will not spill the beans.It may be they wish to let people know there are people out there working to try and keep the club alive but dont wish to be named so any information is not Googled or their personal information published on here or be full on in the Echo or media. They might also wish that if they are associated with Mj's bid and it fails they are not hurt by being so.They might be modest, I would expect that if they carry on forward they will be happy for fans to know of them.I expect there is a plethora of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 lmfao, no mate not even close. I'm actually insulted that anyone could think I would give any small amount of help that in anyway allowed HIM back in. Jeez, can you honestly see ANY Saints fan doing that? Good grief Oh and you are very wrong on the comment about Stuart Green Oh, and that person didn't give exclusivity, the people at Seymour Pierce would take issue with that Thanks Phil. I'm relieved to read your comments, I'm pleased to hear that Lowe isn't involved. And yes I'm sure that Green is an astute guy, so I'm happy to retract that bit - I was really thinking of MJ. Although the latter's track record still counts against him, I'll be happy if the group he's acting for does come up with the goods although I hope he doesn't have an ongoing involvement once his fee is paid. At the moment any deal is better than oblivion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 All that Jackson is doing is ramping up the asking the price thus delaying the real deal. Those defending him need to wake up and realise that this clown has absolutely no chance of getting people to back him. He's nothing short of a laughing stock in the business comunity.[/QUOTE] So WHY is Fry taking so much interest in him then ??? ........ because, in reality, there are no other offers ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 Perhaps they speak to people who have integrity and know will not spill the beans.It may be they wish to let people know there are people out there working to try and keep the club alive but dont wish to be named so any information is not Googled or their personal information published on here or be full on in the Echo or media. They might also wish that if they are associated with Mj's bid and it fails they are not hurt by being so.They might be modest, I would expect that if they carry on forward they will be happy for fans to know of them.I expect there is a plethora of reasons. Nick - I agree. But if they don't want people to know then keep sshhhhhhh...! If there is a name, or names, that they don't want to enter the public domain all they have to do is conduct business professionally. If information is being leaked, then 9 times out of 10 it has come from within. Put your own house in order before blaming others for leaks of business information. All of that said - your disassociation point / theory is interesting though - surely in a deal of this magnitude they would not be wishing to fail and therefore would have hired the best man to deliver. Disassociation surely only acts as a vote of no confidence and could be construed as being set up to fail. Not sure - but interesting point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 (edited) Nick - surely if they don't want a name to get out then they should just sssshhhhhhhush until the deal is done eh? Like I said - do business professionally. BTW - It's not Rod Stewart as posted on (yet) another ITK thread this morning is it...? It's classic case of using people. They want respected posters like Nickh to do their dirty work, and play on making them feel ITK and special. This is how the likes of Jackson operate. I'm a disapointed that Nick is falling for it and angry that there are ****s like Jacko that see nothing wrong in behaving like this. If you need an example of this just look at how Saintlee was played like a fiddle and lost all credibility as a result. Edited 26 May, 2009 by Mole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 It's classic case of using people. They want respected posters like Nickh to do their dirty work, and play on making them feel ITK and special. This is how the likes of Jackson operate. I'm a disapointed that Nick is falling for it and angry that there are ****s like Jacko that see nothing wrong in behaving like this. If you need an example of this just look at how Saintlee was played like a fiddle and lost all credibility as a result. I'm not sure what you mean by this Stanley to be honest. Yes I can see that Nick has decided to pin his colours firmly to MJs mast (metaphorically speaking of course..!!), but I'm not sure that anybody has their hand up Nicks backside just yet. Nick appears desperate for the deal to be done and like many on here can only see MJ in the frame - let's be honest, either the NDA's are holding firm, or MJ is the only horse in the race. (As DP has alluded to as well - the cavalry do not appear to be charging over the hills just yet). So who else is out there - who is going to come in and do the deal - let's be honest it has all gone eerily silent, only MJ remains! I think there are others on here close to the MJ thing as well who, whilst distancing themselves in some respect, probably know more than they are willing (permitted) to tell. But one things for certain from where I am sitting - I do not see any Knights in Shining Armour about to come to our rescue - do you..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 I'm not sure what you mean by this Stanley to be honest. Yes I can see that Nick has decided to pin his colours firmly to MJs mast (metaphorically speaking of course..!!), but I'm not sure that anybody has their hand up Nicks backside just yet. Nick appears desperate for the deal to be done and like many on here can only see MJ in the frame - let's be honest, either the NDA's are holding firm, or MJ is the only horse in the race. (As DP has alluded to as well - the cavalry do not appear to be charging over the hills just yet). So who else is out there - who is going to come in and do the deal - let's be honest it has all gone eerily silent, only MJ remains! I think there are others on here close to the MJ thing as well who, whilst distancing themselves in some respect, probably know more than they are willing (permitted) to tell. But one thinks for certain from where I am sitting - I do not see any Knights in Shining Armour about to come to our rescue - do you..? Marc Jackson is fly by night chancer that has absolutely no chance of being part of a deal to buy SFC. That is the top and bottom of it. All he's doing is delaying the sale and costing the club money because of it. Fry won't mind Wacko Jacko doing this as it creates phantom competition, but let's get in the real world - any real bidder will have heard of Jacko and will know what he's all about so will discount him. The sooner Fry realises that using Jacko is a waste of time the better for us, but in the mean time he's convenient for Begbies in that it means the administrators can milk a bit more money out of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 26 May, 2009 Share Posted 26 May, 2009 lmfao, no mate not even close. I'm actually insulted that anyone could think I would give any small amount of help that in anyway allowed HIM back in. oh there is a couple on here it would seem think Lowes balls are made of gold and hes mr innocent ! What i would ask you as spokesperson for this Jackson guy. Is there any truth in former direcotrs like Andrew Cowen, Mike Richards and Dave Jones returning ? As no Saints would want them involved at SFC ever again either for being part of the clubs demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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