70's Mike Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 who is paying for all this jet setting? he must be paying for himself ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeg Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 His comments about the fans were spot on. Those comments were the best he has made. you're joking right? - part of our failed Dutch experiment - been here 5 bl**dy minutes talking bullsh*t about a march he knew f*ck all about - either he was told to do it or he done it because of some "blind" loyalty to lo*e who he was obviously grateful to for appointing him in the first place - either way very very foolish if you"re in business and hundreds of your fans OF ALL AGES are on the street then you had better find out damn quickly the reason(s) why if you want to survive and prosper oh and best not to call smith "world class" - the normal course of events is a player consistently performs on match day at a high level - then you may consider that description - an idiotic statement to make at this stage of his career I'm afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 you're joking right? - part of our failed Dutch experiment - been here 5 bl**dy minutes talking bullsh*t about a march he knew f*ck all about - either he was told to do it or he done it because of some "blind" loyalty to lo*e who he was obviously grateful to for appointing him in the first place - either way very very foolish if you"re in business and hundreds of your fans OF ALL AGES are on the street then you had better find out damn quickly the reason(s) why if you want to survive and prosper oh and best not to call smith "world class" - the normal course of events is a player consistently performs on match day at a high level - then you may consider that description - an idiotic statement to make at this stage of his career I'm afraid Whoosh, get in there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vershinin Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 I think that we really need a complete sweep of change through the club, and that means Wotte can't linger as part of this dreadful season. One thing i will say though is that on top of all his countless managerial mistakes over the years and getting rid of a promising young manager in Pearson, Lowe made another big **** up. He made JP manager for over half the season, but we had a better manager sitting in the ****ing stands!! Had Wotte been in charge all season, i think we would have stayed up with about 10 points more. Unfortunately when he took over we were in deep trouble, but had he been there all season i think we would have done better. But again, Lowe followed one massive mistake by kicking Pearson out and replacing him with someone when we had a better manager twiddling his thumbs in the stands!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11772 As long as he doesn't make silly comments on boardroom matters again, like before r.e. the protest march, then I will be more than happy to see him continue as manager. The man is a fraud and responsible for the relegation of the team to League 1. He is history. I will never support this man. I wish he'd do the honorable thing and resign and leave us instead of playing this out for his redundancy payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Whilst Wotte is saying the right things and from what we know, doing the right things, talk is cheap and people seem to be forgetting that tactically he was very naive at times. The diamond formation worked at first, but Wotte refused to change his tactics when it wasn't going to plan. Whilst I respect Wotte for continuing to go with the 'business as usual' policy, I feel that if a takeover is forthcoming, then we need a clean sweep all round; new manager, new players, new impetus, new start. I wouldn't be too unhappy if he reverted to his role as Academy Manager, but I don't want to see him in charge of the first-team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 He seems to be a decent, honourable man who is prepared to work hard and do his best. However, the team capitulated far too many times in crucial games under his watch at the end of last season. Games which we HAD to fight for the club's future, we simply didn't turn up. Ultimately, the responsibility must lie with him. If the most important criteria for the manager's job was to be a decent bloke, then I would be happy for him to continue, but it isn't, so he isn't the man for the job. However, that is not to say that he couldn't go back to his previous job of looking after the youth. + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11772 As long as he doesn't make silly comments on boardroom matters again, like before r.e. the protest march, then I will be more than happy to see him continue as manager. I see the losing mentallity is still going strong with some people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleRay Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Can confirm he got Jamie White to sign a new contract today.......horses mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Can confirm he got Jamie White to sign a new contract today.......horses mouth. Which will be deemed useless when we are liquidated! More to the point, how are we in a position to negotiate contracts when we are in administration, without an owner to sanction it? I assume it was more of a case of... Wotte: " Jamie, will you sign a new contract " JW: " Yes gaffer, I suppose so " *end of conversation* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleRay Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 "More to the point, how are we in a position to negotiate contracts when we are in administration, without an owner to sanction it?" Exactly what I thought! Young White seems very very upbeat about it. No mention of takeover or admin though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleRay Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 "More to the point, how are we in a position to negotiate contracts when we are in administration, without an owner to sanction it?" Exactly what I thought! Young White seems very very upbeat about it. No mention of takeover or admin though. Only a one year contract though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerson massey Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 He seems to be a decent, honourable man who is prepared to work hard and do his best. However, the team capitulated far too many times in crucial games under his watch at the end of last season. Games which we HAD to fight for the club's future, we simply didn't turn up. Ultimately, the responsibility must lie with him. If the most important criteria for the manager's job was to be a decent bloke, then I would be happy for him to continue, but it isn't, so he isn't the man for the job. However, that is not to say that he couldn't go back to his previous job of looking after the youth. Thanks for saving me having to write this I with your points agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerson massey Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Thanks for saving me having to write this I with your points agree 100% Or rather: I agree with your points 100% Been a long day.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Personally I can think of a lot worse candidates than Wotte. I think he talks sense and most of his post matches pick up on things I was shouting about during the game. I also think that, given the takeover is dragging on, there are real dangers of changing the manager at too late a stage, particularly starting at -10. He also has continuity in his favour. That said he's not got experience of League 1. If there's a good candidate, soon, with experience, then I'd take him over Wotte. BUT I do think we need to be careful of changing for the sake of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 The guys a ****, he aligned himslef to closely to Lowe and must pay the price now Rupert has gone, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofme Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Sorry but you must have been smoking something MW talks the talk but offers nothing else, sorry he has to go ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 I take it that More and More are 2 deaf, dumb and blind guys - no...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 All managers go to watch games during and pre-season, it's just not all of them keep banging on about it. Wotte talks a good game but can't back it up, hence finishing 23rd in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 I can't believe there are so many people on here who would dump our manager so quickly... it rather reminds me of someone else who had that attitude... now what was his name again? | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Oh yes, now I remember... wasn't it something like Rhubarb Lowe or something like that?!! Oh.. and one other thing about this: if we get rid of Wotte, it will also effectively mean getting rid of Hockaday and Svensson as well since any new manager is likley to want to bring in his own backroom staff. How do people feel about THAT?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 I find it disgusting that when faced with the possibility of financial meltdown, the board chose to appoint Mark Wotte, the guy is a fukkin clown and simply not cut out for English lower league football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 I can't believe there are so many people on here who would dump our manager so quickly... it rather reminds me of someone else who had that attitude... now what was his name again? | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Oh yes, now I remember... wasn't it something like Rhubarb Lowe or something like that?!! Oh.. and one other thing about this: if we get rid of Wotte, it will also effectively mean getting rid of Hockaday and Svensson as well since any new manager is likley to want to bring in his own backroom staff. How do people feel about THAT?? Hockaday? Gorre and Svensson...But Hockaday Wotte/Lowe had got rid..surely..Wotte is going on. Get rid not a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 I find it disgusting that when faced with the possibility of financial meltdown, the board chose to appoint Mark Wotte, the guy is a fukkin clown and simply not cut out for English lower league football. Based on what..? Have you ever seen him manage a lower league side? erm no, thought not..tosser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 I can't believe there are so many people on here who would dump our manager so quickly... it rather reminds me of someone else who had that attitude... now what was his name again? Sometimes, as was the case with Wigley, Gray, Poortvliet etc, the problem lies not with dumping the manager so quickly, but more with why they were appointed in the first place. I would argue that sticking with a poor, underperforming manager in the name of stability is a false economy. IMHO there's nothing wrong with booting out someone who is rubbish, you just have to learn from why you appointed them in the first place (or what caused it all to go wrong) and try and guard against repeating those mistakes. With 50% of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up already on the scrap heap, I wouldn't be averse to starting all over again. Oh.. and one other thing about this: if we get rid of Wotte, it will also effectively mean getting rid of Hockaday and Svensson as well since any new manager is likley to want to bring in his own backroom staff. How do people feel about THAT?? Hockaday hasn't been around for ages, he's been on gardening leave for months. As for Svensson, well sorry but there are no sacred cows when you are looking to get this Club back on its feet. Getting back to the original premise of the thread, then I have to say Wotte is not the man for me to take this Club forward. I saw nothing when he was a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up that made me sit up and notice and I certainly didn't see anything during the time he was solely in charge that made me think he is the man to drive us forward. If we have the money (and f we still have an Academy), then I would be OK for him to focus on that, well away from first team affairs, but otherwise a total break from the past wouldn't be a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 Based on what..? Have you ever seen him manage a lower league side? erm no, thought not..tosser. WA2 expressed an opinion, which he is perfectly entitled to do. He said that in his opinion, Wotte was not cut out for English lower league football. By asking whether WA2 had ever seen him manage a lower league side, you only provide the very ammunition that shoots your argument in the foot. The very reason that Wotte is probably not up to it, is precisely that he has nil experience of actually any division in British football at any level apart from his few months in charge of us. He has few contacts to identity which players might suit us, knows little of what is required in the way of tactics and strategy to get us promoted and did not even have the ability to keep us up. So who is the tosser here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 The key is not getting rid of the manager, it is appointing a new manager. So I think we should understand what we would get instead, before we hound the guy out of office. We are a League 1 team with no money. Repeat that 20 times and see how many 'star' managers come running. That said, there's nothing we fans like more than a good witch hunt. It must be his fault we're crap, no, it's him, no, it's him (repeat repeatedly). For example, how many of Rupert Lowe's 1,321 appointments did people want to go? And in how many cases were the replacements better than the 'replacee'. My opinion on the Premiership ones: Graeme Souness - Arrival: No real opinion Departure: Thought he was a bit of a tosser tbh. Dave Jones Arrival: Up and coming, but not a big name. Departure: I was losing faith, results were bad, when events overtook. Jury says: Better. Glenn Hoddle Arrival: Exciting appointment. Departure: Gutted, I didn't want him to go. He signed some trash though. Jury says: Better (results. football not always great) Stuart Gray - Arrival: Uninspiring. Literally a 'grey' man. Departure: Didn't want him in the first place. Wanted him gone. Jury says: Worse Gordon Strachan - Arrival: Strange choice, unsure in the first place (better than Gray). Departure: Gutted. Didn't want him to go. Jury says: Better Paul Sturrock - Arrival: Thought he might be good. Would have preferred Hoddle Departure: Played some pretty football, I didn't see the problem (on the pitch) Jury says: Worse (hard act to follow) Steve Wigley - Arrival: Gray deja-vu. We're doomed! A good coach does not a good manager make. Departure: Wanted him gone. Jury says: Worse Harry Redknapp - Arrival: Any port in a storm, but wouldn't trust him with my wallet. Departure: Wanted him gone. Jury says: Worse So I wanted 4 to go (supported decision), 3 to stay (disagreed with decision) and 1 indifferent. Pretty balanced to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 We are a League 1 team with no money. Repeat that 20 times and see how many 'star' managers come running. We may be pretty skint (we may soon even be out of business!!!!), but I still think we are a very attractive proposition on the managerial front. Of course we never going to attract the really top talent and we're not going to attract those who want mega bucks, but even though we are Divisin Three side, I believe we would still be an attractive name for many managers to have on their CV. A manager who delivers success with us in Division Three would immediately be on a roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 Although I like Wotte and really don't think he's a bad manager, I think we need someone new in so there is nothing left of Lowe's tenure. Only then as a club we can move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 We may be pretty skint (we may soon even be out of business!!!!), but I still think we are a very attractive proposition on the managerial front. Of course we never going to attract the really top talent and we're not going to attract those who want mega bucks, but even though we are Divisin Three side, I believe we would still be an attractive name for many managers to have on their CV. A manager who delivers success with us in Division Three would immediately be on a roll. Fair point. We may be relying on pity to get a decent manager who'll be offski as soon as he makes/rebuilds his name. However, I'm not proud How about Hoddle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 Fair point. We may be relying on pity to get a decent manager who'll be offski as soon as he makes/rebuilds his name. However, I'm not proud How about Hoddle? Would split the fanbase again, I can't stand his unattractive football, and think he has been out of the loop for too long now. But as with posts above, the fact is, he was a Lowe appointment, which automatically excludes him from Saints bright new start. Or does the fact that he won a few games make it alright for him to have been appointed by Lowe? If Wotte is to go, then i'd like to see Tisdale, Sean O'Driscoll or Eddie Howe take over, all three have done excellent jobs with their respective clubs. O'Driscoll and Tisdale have been a success at both the clubs they have managed and Howe pulled off a miracle at the Fitness First last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 Farking hell. I wish I was as bad as this and had people fawning over me. Relegated without a fight or hope. And he's the winner we need?? I give up. Football has gone mad. The world has gone mad. I'm off to claim for the manure that's spread about this site on expenses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 (edited) We may be pretty skint (we may soon even be out of business!!!!), but I still think we are a very attractive proposition on the managerial front. Of course we never going to attract the really top talent and we're not going to attract those who want mega bucks, but even though we are Divisin Three side, I believe we would still be an attractive name for many managers to have on their CV. A manager who delivers success with us in Division Three would immediately be on a roll. Correct. Sick to death of posters sticking up nonsense about "we're in Division three, deal with it" and making out that our relegation has turned us into Weymouth. Being manager of Southampton Football Club is still a cracking job, and being a hero at SMS would be a brilliant opportunity to an experienced manager out of work for a while (hello Steve Cotterill) or for a lower league boss thinking they can take on a big club (hello Alan Knill, Paul Tisdale). It is a job managers would jump at. Can people stop overplaying this "we're so pathetic" routine. Edited 23 May, 2009 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 For example, how many of Rupert Lowe's 1,321 appointments did people want to go? And in how many cases were the replacements better than the 'replacee'. My opinion on the Premiership ones: Graeme Souness - Arrival: No real opinion Departure: Thought he was a bit of a tosser tbh. Just as well you didn't have an opinion. He was here about 4 months before the slimy parasite rocked up to watch his "1st ever football match." Alain Perrin - Arrival: No real facts known. But dont let the truth get in the way. Departure: Soon? Please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 Just as well you didn't have an opinion. He was here about 4 months before the slimy parasite rocked up to watch his "1st ever football match." Alain Perrin - Arrival: No real facts known. But dont let the truth get in the way. Departure: Soon? Please? And I respect your opinion too.... Do you know why I have no opinion of Souness' arrival? Because I was living c500miles from Southampton and had only passing interest in the club. Them being the days before the internet brought distant fans information and jumped up tits like you with your 'clever' answers. (My opinion of Souness as a bit of a tosser is in part down to my natural suspicion of anyone with facial hair and really has nothing to do with how/why he left.) But hey, if it suits you for me not to have an opinion, please let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 Can people stop overplaying this "we're so pathetic" routine.I will once we managed to fulfil our first fixture in L1 - actually make that "I will once we manage to win our first fixture in L1". I agree it is still an attractive job for somebody, as long as there is a club left to manage of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 23 May, 2009 Share Posted 23 May, 2009 And I respect your opinion too.... Do you know why I have no opinion of Souness' arrival? Because I was living c500miles from Southampton and had only passing interest in the club. Them being the days before the internet brought distant fans information and jumped up tits like you with your 'clever' answers. (My opinion of Souness as a bit of a tosser is in part down to my natural suspicion of anyone with facial hair and really has nothing to do with how/why he left.) But hey, if it suits you for me not to have an opinion, please let me know. If you are basing your inane witterings on a man's tache then maybe it would be better if you didn't. What next? Hair colour? Shoe size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Thankfully it is the board / owners that choose to stick or change manager. Some fans will always moan. Although I don't think Wotte is that bad, I expect new owners to appont their own man. If the fans don't get behind that apppointment and support the team - don't expect anything spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 24 May, 2009 Share Posted 24 May, 2009 Jimmy Calderwood left Aberdeen today after guiding them into 4th spot in the league and into europe,citing "looking for a fresh challenge" Good chum with Souness i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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