General Election?

[Deppo]

He is a ****ing idiot.

[Mole]

If which case help me out - give us your definition of 'left wing', and explain how Labour only became such after Bliar became leader. Come, on, I am willing to learn.

 

And as for words such as racist, xenophobic, isolationist, and bigot, I know exactly what they mean, how to spell them, and when to use them.

 

I'd quite happily explain and had typed up an explanation but i've deleted it because it wouldn't have been politically correct enough for this forum.

[badgerx16]

He is a ****ing idiot.

I wouldn't go that far, but he is confirming a lot of preconceptions.

 

And he has certainly failed to convince me to vote BNP

[Mole]

If you think Labour are left wing you're a ****ing idiot.

 

Labour are indisputeably left wing for some, but sadly not for their traditional voters. I would put you in the latter category.

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

UKIP aren't fascist or racist, just think we should be out of europe which while you may not agree with, it is not fascist or racist.

 

The BNP however... well... watch this...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKuGrkBPf-s

 

and just read the manifesto!!!!

 

have you ever spoken to UKIP councillers or voters? They very much are racists. And they aren't any more smart or sophisticated than the BNP racists either.

 

And don't tell me Kilroy wasn't a racist!

[Wade Garrett]

I wonder about this 'racist' debate.

 

For the record I am a lifelong Labour supporter, I have worked hard and paid taxes all of my working life.

 

I am sickened that a large proportion of my taxes seem to pay for foreigners who come to this country, seemingly, to sponge off the state without giving anything back. I accept that a great many foreign people come to this country, work hard and enrich our society. But the fact is, also, that many don't. I get equally angry about British layabouts and the culture of welfare dependancy.

 

I am a little concerned that our national identity is being eroded. A great many people who come to our island have little feeling for our nation (unlike immigrants who settle in the USA and are required to pledge allegiance to the flag).

 

I am concerned that schools are stretched to the limit by catering for non-english speaking children. Our hospitals are being stretched by people who don't contribute anything towards it (there are a great many brits who fall into this category as well as foreigners).

 

Does this make me racist, not a chance. I judge people by their actions and the lives they choose to lead, not the colour of their skin. Would I ever vote BNP, not a chance. My Grandad spent six years of his lives fighting for our nation against people like them. I'm not about to forget that.

 

My point is that these issues have to be resolved, without the 'racist' card being waved. We are a small nation with a finite level of resources. We are being stretched to the limit, something needs to be done. But not by the BNP, they would make a delicate and complex issue even worse.

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

I wonder about this 'racist' debate.

 

For the record I am a lifelong Labour supporter, I have worked hard and paid taxes all of my working life.

 

I am sickened that a large proportion of my taxes seem to pay for foreigners who come to this country, seemingly, to sponge off the state without giving anything back. I accept that a great many foreign people come to this country, work hard and enrich our society. But the fact is, also, that many don't. I get equally angry about British layabouts and the culture of welfare dependancy.

 

I am a little concerned that our national identity is being eroded. A great many people who come to our island have little feeling for our nation (unlike immigrants who settle in the USA and are required to pledge allegiance to the flag).

 

I am concerned that schools are stretched to the limit by catering for non-english speaking children. Our hospitals are being stretched by people who don't contribute anything towards it (there are a great many brits who fall into this category as well as foreigners).

 

Does this make me racist, not a chance. I judge people by their actions and the lives they choose to lead, not the colour of their skin. Would I ever vote BNP, not a chance. My Grandad spent six years of his lives fighting for our nation against people like them. I'm not about to forget that.

 

My point is that these issues have to be resolved, without the 'racist' card being waved. We are a small nation with a finite level of resources. We are being stretched to the limit, something needs to be done. But not by the BNP, they would make a delicate and complex issue even worse.

 

yes. both your ignorance and your desire to blame foreign people for the problems in this country make you a racist.

 

time and time again i come across people who say 'i'm not a racist, but...' and then list 101 reasons why they hate foreigners/non-whites/non-british people.

 

why do racists not realise they are racist? because racist has such a negative connotation, they try and hide hate behind pragmatism. no one is fooled. And how anyone can honestly blame 'foreigners' for sponging off the state when we have MP's using tax money to buy themselves a moat is quite simply mind-boggling.

[Wade Garrett]

yes. both your ignorance and your desire to blame foreign people for the problems in this country make you a racist.

 

time and time again i come across people who say 'i'm not a racist, but...' and then list 101 reasons why they hate foreigners/non-whites/non-british people.

 

why do racists not realise they are racist? because racist has such a negative connotation, they try and hide hate behind pragmatism. no one is fooled. And how anyone can honestly blame 'foreigners' for sponging off the state when we have MP's using tax money to buy themselves a moat is quite simply mind-boggling.

 

Read my post again. I am not blaming all foreigners, or even just the ones who sponge off of us. I also blaming our own who have a culture of welfare dependency (ones who choose not to work, not ones who are not able to work).

 

I repeat, I am not a racist. I think my views are reasonable. However, it is people like you, calling 'racist' at every turn, who are stopping the issue from being sorted out.

 

You tell me why I am a racist.

[Wade Garrett]

yes. both your ignorance and your desire to blame foreign people for the problems in this country make you a racist.

 

time and time again i come across people who say 'i'm not a racist, but...' and then list 101 reasons why they hate foreigners/non-whites/non-british people.

 

why do racists not realise they are racist? because racist has such a negative connotation, they try and hide hate behind pragmatism. no one is fooled. And how anyone can honestly blame 'foreigners' for sponging off the state when we have MP's using tax money to buy themselves a moat is quite simply mind-boggling.

 

So that gives everyone carte blanche then does it?

[OldNick]

In the last month, we have tried to sell the following:

 

One wheelchair - used twice

One rise and fall armchair - hardly used

One adjustable bed - used half a dozen times

 

ABSOLUTELY NO TAKERS AT ALL!!!!!!

 

.

But the private individual would not be selling it the authorities just fit it in the next house.

[OldNick]

Do you live in an area where the church bells ring out for services, weddings, and funerals ?

That is fair, but I wouldn t expect it in a muslim country

[bridge too far]

But the private individual would not be selling it the authorities just fit it in the next house.

 

Nick - that's not how it works these days!

 

When people need mobility aids, their needs are assessed by Social Services (usually an Occupational Therapist). If they qualify (the user) THEY ARE GIVEN A BUDGET TO SPEND AS THEY SEE FIT.

 

Social Services DO NOT BUY mobility aids.

 

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/HomeAndHousingOptions/YourHome/DG_4000634

[Clapham Saint]

Nick - that's not how it works these days!

 

When people need mobility aids, their needs are assessed by Social Services (usually an Occupational Therapist). If they qualify (the user) THEY ARE GIVEN A BUDGET TO SPEND AS THEY SEE FIT.

 

Social Services DO NOT BUY mobility aids.

 

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/HomeAndHousingOptions/YourHome/DG_4000634

 

So rather than using collective resources to meet those needs at the best cost/benefit they just take the Gordon Brown approach of throwing money at the issue regardless?

 

No wonder we are in so much debt

[Johnny Bognor]

THEY ARE GIVEN A BUDGET TO SPEND AS THEY SEE FIT.

 

I wonder how many spend less than the budget they are given.

[bridge too far]

So rather than using collective resources to meet those needs at the best cost/benefit they just take the Gordon Brown approach of throwing money at the issue regardless?

 

No wonder we are in so much debt

 

That's one way of looking at it. Another take on it could be that it enables people to make their own decisions instead of having them foist upon them.

 

My mother was given a grant to have handrails fitted to her front and back doorsteps. My brother (who is in the building trade) was able to source used handrails and fit them free of charge (obviously).

 

This meant my mother, who couldn't walk more than two steps, could use the balance to buy a collapsible wheelchair for the rare occasions that she had to get from a disabled bay to her destination. She didn't feel she needed a full-sized wheelchair (mainly because it wouldn't fit in the boot of my car).

 

Had she asked for a 'proper' wheelchair, that would have been an additional cost that Social Services would have had to grant.

 

So she actually saved Soc.Servs. money.

 

But, with respect, this thread has wandered again.....

[Clapham Saint]

That's one way of looking at it. Another take on it could be that it enables people to make their own decisions instead of having them foist upon them.

 

My mother was given a grant to have handrails fitted to her front and back doorsteps. My brother (who is in the building trade) was able to source used handrails and fit them free of charge (obviously).

 

This meant my mother, who couldn't walk more than two steps, could use the balance to buy a collapsible wheelchair for the rare occasions that she had to get from a disabled bay to her destination. She didn't feel she needed a full-sized wheelchair (mainly because it wouldn't fit in the boot of my car).

 

Had she asked for a 'proper' wheelchair, that would have been an additional cost that Social Services would have had to grant.

 

So she actually saved Soc.Servs. money.

 

But, with respect, this thread has wandered again.....

 

I'm very pleased that the system worked out well for your mother, however I beleive that more people could have wheelchairs in the first place if a different system were employed.

 

That said I don't have any direct experience of these matters so maybe I'm being too idealistic. Who knows?:cool:

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

That's one way of looking at it. Another take on it could be that it enables people to make their own decisions instead of having them foist upon them.

 

My mother was given a grant to have handrails fitted to her front and back doorsteps. My brother (who is in the building trade) was able to source used handrails and fit them free of charge (obviously).

 

This meant my mother, who couldn't walk more than two steps, could use the balance to buy a collapsible wheelchair for the rare occasions that she had to get from a disabled bay to her destination. She didn't feel she needed a full-sized wheelchair (mainly because it wouldn't fit in the boot of my car).

 

Had she asked for a 'proper' wheelchair, that would have been an additional cost that Social Services would have had to grant.

 

So she actually saved Soc.Servs. money.

 

But, with respect, this thread has wandered again.....

 

who gives a sh*t??? :confused::confused::confused:

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

oh wait, now i see.

[scott_saints]

Just seen the BNP advert on the tellybox.

 

Lots of "it's not racist, it's common sense" messages being put across. Pretty cr@p advert though really.

[pilsburydoughboy]

Just seen the BNP advert on the tellybox.

 

Lots of "it's not racist, it's common sense" messages being put across. Pretty cr@p advert though really.

 

I do find it slightly concerning that the BNP are now campaigning to the masses on TV.

In times of hardship and trouble people will look for somebody/people to blame for the plight they are in.

The BNP are not the answer but i think a lot of people will vote for them.

I dread to think of the years to come if those Racist Facist bastards get into any position of power.

All those who left Southampton to join the International Brigade in 1936 will be turning in their grave.

I hope common sense prevails.

[Mole]

Just seen the BNP advert on the tellybox.

 

Lots of "it's not racist, it's common sense" messages being put across. Pretty cr@p advert though really.

 

It's their environmental policies that particularly appeal to me.

[bridge too far]

It's their environmental policies that particularly appeal to me.

 

The ethnic cleansing?

[TopGun]

It's their environmental policies that particularly appeal to me.

 

I doubt they even have any!