trousers Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 What is hypocritical is the words from a few sad individuals (and I accept it is only a few) who are unable to judge and comment on individual decisions in differing contexts as time moves on. Whilst some are trolling, others would appear to be rather dim or indeed somewhat bitter and twisted that they fail to recognise good from whatever source. Crouch may have made mistakes in the past, but that should not preclude people from accepting that on this occasion he may well be doing quite a bit to keep our Club afloat. It is the carte blanche criticisms and risible attempts by a few to try and read negatives into everything by people (from all sides) that are hypocritical. When Lowe announced he had the support of the bank this time last year, many, including myself, congratulated him for securing that support as in the bigger picture that was certainly a benefit to our Club. Sadly, some of the more vociferous on here are unable to show such balance and what makes it worse is that some are very often the ones shouting loudest about impartiality and balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 My understanding is that the FA/PFA will guarantee the wages of a club in administration and unable to pay. The club are not in administration and operating as normal (or as normal as the current situation allows). According to Derry, the club can't go into administration because it has no assets and therefore, if the club doesn't meet it's financial obligations, it will be wound up. This being the case, LC's money is saving the club from ceasing to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I think you need to get yourself a dictionary Rover boy. Meanwhile, like Wade, you haven't answered a very simple question - if Crouch hadn't made that loan, what would the current position be? Dictionary? Got one thanks, which word can't you spell? If Crouch hadn't made the loan there would be a lot of hard working Saints staff at St Mary's without a pay packet at the end of this month. It's probably not the sort of thing that would bother you or your master of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 As far as I was aware their wages are guaranteed by the FL, so I don't think it's made any difference to them has it? Their wages are not guaranteed by the Football League, althought there is a precedent that the PFA might make a loan/payment to cover them. However, there is also the chance that if we fail to pay the players then they could walk away claiming breach of contract and therefore it would not be possible to raise any money from player sales to help take us forward. Additionally, I'm sure others, including myself, are probably more concerned with the office workers, and other smaller creditors etc at SMS who do not earn the big wedges and who would not be bailed out by the PFA. So whilst it probably made no difference to the Euell's and Rasiak's of this world, it will probably have rather different impact on the "mere" staff at SMS and it would also have a major impact on the future of the Club with reference to being able to raise sums through transfers if we got to a firesale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 + 1 +1? To the statement from aintforever: "I think as he may have just saved the football club you love from going out of existence, the fair think would be to say thank you very much, and keep your insults to yourself." Looks like you've forgotten what personality you're using again as the above comment was praising Crouch... You've just spent the last ten posts slagging him off...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 +1? To the statement from aintforever: "I think as he may have just saved the football club you love from going out of existence, the fair think would be to say thank you very much, and keep your insults to yourself." Looks like you've forgotten what personality you're using again as the above comment was praising Crouch... You've just spent the last ten posts slagging him off...lol I believe it was a witty +1 to this remark: "The self-declared high and mighty on here really do take some beating." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Neither IMHO. He was simply stating the bleedin' obvious. Are you saying the Football League authorities aren't/weren't clever enough to work that one out for themselves? The point being it was not actually true..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I believe it was a witty +1 to this remark: "The self-declared high and mighty on here really do take some beating." Lost on him. A big whoosh for the current reigning High & Mighty Champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 What is hypocritical is the words from a few sad individuals (and I accept it is only a few) who are unable to judge and comment on individual decisions in differing contexts as time moves on. Whilst some are trolling, others would appear to be rather dim or indeed somewhat bitter and twisted that they fail to recognise good from whatever source. Crouch may have made mistakes in the past, but that should not preclude people from accepting that on this occasion he may well be doing quite a bit to keep our Club afloat. It is the carte blanche criticisms and risible attempts by a few to try and read negatives into everything by people (from all sides) that are hypocritical. When Lowe announced he had the support of the bank this time last year, many, including myself, congratulated him for securing that support as in the bigger picture that was certainly a benefit to our Club. Sadly, some of the more vociferous on here are unable to show such balance and what makes it worse is that some are very often the ones shouting loudest about impartiality and balance. Do you include those of us who recognise the good Crouch is currently doing and have recorded their thanks and appreciation for this, but do not wish him to be part of the decision making hierarchy at the club going forward ? Generosity should always buy gratitude but not necessarily favour ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 What is hypocritical is the words from a few sad individuals (and I accept it is only a few) who are unable to judge and comment on individual decisions in differing contexts as time moves on. It is the carte blanche criticisms and risible attempts by a few to try and read negatives into everything by people (from all sides) that are hypocritical. . This is perfectly true UP, but that statement could be lifted from any post on any thread that has decended into a anti-lowe rant when someone was merely trying to explain/understand even suggest a positive - yet there are many who ignore those sentiments when its in defense of the great satan - yet many of the same most rapid anti-Lowes are some of those most vocal in their attacj of anyone who has the 'cheek' to criticise CRouch at this time. Of course each action should be judged on its own merits and Crouch has made a very valuable contribiution for which he should be applauded, but its only natural that this is still judged overall in perspective with every thing else, afterall that is how most judge LOwe or Wilde? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonah Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 My understanding is that the FA/PFA will guarantee the wages of a club in administration and unable to pay. The club are not in administration and operating as normal (or as normal as the current situation allows). That was my understanding too. According to Derry, the club can't go into administration because it has no assets and therefore, if the club doesn't meet it's financial obligations, it will be wound up. OK, not heard this before. I'm certainly not claiming to be an expert in this area, but this just sounds improbable to me - firstly, SFC must have assets, the players contracts for a start? Secondly, it sounds strange that it cannot be run in administration and would have to be immediately liquidated - surely they need to sell the assets to try to offset the liabilities? Thirdly, it seems strange that Fry is still talking about re-opening negotiations with up to 3 different parties when on the other hand the claim is that the club would be extinct already without the loan. Anyway... This being the case, LC's money is saving the club from ceasing to exist. *If* that is the case, then yes I agree LC's money is saving the club from immediate extinction and thanks for that. That doesn't change my original points which were that a temporary loan from a multi-millionaire is not a noble act of philanthropy compared to ordinary fans giving their cash, and as one of the people who created this mess I still wouldn't want him anywhere near the boardroom in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Lost on him. A big whoosh for the current reigning High & Mighty Champ. And that's ironic coming from the lifelong "be sarcastic, sit on my hands and be a smart arse" champ... Or should that be chimp? Isn't there an online Dungeons & Dragons tournament you could be on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I believe it was a witty +1 to this remark: "The self-declared high and mighty on here really do take some beating." Hard to tell with him really as he's such a complete and utter ****tard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Everybody's playing nicely, I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Everybody's playing nicely, I see. Sorry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Everybody's playing nicely, I see. All has gone strangely quiet in the nursery...come on you pussies, bring it on ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 It's noticeable that Lowe and Wilde have not donated or loaned the club a single penny. That says it all. It's not because they have no shame in their part of the demise. Jonah has told us why. They haven't made any gift or loan because they are trying to help Fry sell the club more quickly at a lower price, and Leon is just getting in the way of that that strategy. If only Crouch were to get out of the way the course of action so obvious to Jonah could be brought to a successful conclusion (without further points deductions) at the snap of Fry's fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 And the self fulfilling prophecy comes to pass. The divisions stay. In truth, whether seen as a hero or a villian, as the man who saved us long enough for Admin to work or the man who could have saved us before, it really matters not one iota. Through timing and circumstance, any "close" involvement with the "new club" by Leon can ONLY ever be "Regal", never political. Just this thread alone shows how almost the mere mention of his name starts up all the bitter memories and divisions. Whether his fault or not, Leon will always be a reminder of bitter and dis-united times, his name is tarnished, even if his character is eventually proven to be a true Saint. Those BAD YEARS must be buried and quickly, and IF he truly loves the club I expect he will realise that deep down, and may have to help out again before the dust settles for scant reward but our thanks. Time for him to take the "John Mortimer" seat, sure he gets to sit in the Boardroom at away games and in his fiefdom at SMS, but a small price to pay. Arise President Leon and that I think is as far as we can honestly go (Yes Weston, you and me - same idea you put it better) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFM Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Hard to tell with him really as he's such a complete and utter ****tard... I would like to use one of my 3 available posts today to ask what the asteriks cover Daren? I can't work it out. Obviously not retard or bxstard. This could well be a swearword that I haven't encountered before! Anyway, I like to read a good slanging match and so far I reckon: UM Pahars winning on sensible point making Daren second for passion and going for the knock out blow 19 - probably third for some top rate smugness Carry on please, there's a good few rounds left in this :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 The point being it was not actually true..... So no harm done then? i.e. Either what Crouch said was true and as such didn't say anything that the FL knew already or what Crouch said was false and thus would equally not influence the FL's position because they knew it to be false (said Trousers, somewhat inarticulately) In other words, I'm not sure what damage Crouch's comment about the PLC could possibly have done. Anyway, onwards and upwards (hopefully) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFM Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Oh FFS, I was so distracted with the in-fighting that I forgot my main point was if Leon Crouch is keeping this club alive NOW, I don't care about the past. Whatever you may think of his past performance he deserves a huge thanks from all of us for what he is doing NOW - he has no obligation to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Originally Posted by Frank's cousin So what was your opinion on his expose of saints only setting up the PLC to avoid points deduction if we went into admin - to the nation and to the Football league - loveable gaff or major feck up? Neither IMHO. He was simply stating the bleedin' obvious. Are you saying the Football League authorities aren't/weren't clever enough to work that one out for themselves? Since when has it been de rigeur for a time machine or intuition Nostradamus would bow before, to qualify for the "bleeding obvious"? It's one thing being the loveable old fluckwit, another when it just opens to change feet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Oh FFS, I was so distracted with the in-fighting that I forgot my main point was if Leon Crouch is keeping this club alive NOW, I don't care about the past. Whatever you may think of his past performance he deserves a huge thanks from all of us for what he is doing NOW - he has no obligation to do this. I would agree with you totally IF you would be prepared to say the same things about any anyone else who dipped into tehir pocket at its hour need... 'NOW, I dont care about the past' would you apply this to Lowe as well if it was him? Se the problem I have is - well apart form leon being a bit irritating IMHO, is that right now we have this Love in for him. NOw the acts of generosity loan or gift is irrelevent due to teh risk involved are to be applauded without doubt, but the level of hero worship is worrying for two reasons. 1) we saw something similar when Wilde arrived - eg taking eye off the ball during the euphoria of Lowes 1st ousting and the naysayers were given a good verbal beating then as well....and b) There have been many fair and balanced posters who have thanked him for his contribution but still dont want him involved in a new set up - yet there seems to be a shift in this with more fans now saying they could live with his involvment in some honorary capacity - the cynic in me struggles with this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Do you include those of us who recognise the good Crouch is currently doing and have recorded their thanks and appreciation for this, but do not wish him to be part of the decision making hierarchy at the club going forward ? Generosity should always buy gratitude but not necessarily favour ! Absolutely. I would have thought any reasonable and sensible person could distinguish between the two. Crouch would appear to have acted rather generously here and looks to have bought us more time to be saved (no that's not the same as some idiot trying to claim that by buying us time, we have inadvertently incurred more of Fry's charges:rolleyes:), but that does not give him any right or shout over being in the hot seat going forward (not that I would want him there either). The two acts are totally independent of each other and should be judged as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I would agree with you totally IF you would be prepared to say the same things about any anyone else who dipped into tehir pocket at its hour need... 'NOW, I dont care about the past' would you apply this to Lowe as well if it was him? Se the problem I have is - well apart form leon being a bit irritating IMHO, is that right now we have this Love in for him. NOw the acts of generosity loan or gift is irrelevent due to teh risk involved are to be applauded without doubt, but the level of hero worship is worrying for two reasons. 1) we saw something similar when Wilde arrived - eg taking eye off the ball during the euphoria of Lowes 1st ousting and the naysayers were given a good verbal beating then as well....and b) There have been many fair and balanced posters who have thanked him for his contribution but still dont want him involved in a new set up - yet there seems to be a shift in this with more fans now saying they could live with his involvment in some honorary capacity - the cynic in me struggles with this... There's not one person on here who thinks Crouch has been a perfect chariman, it's only a few tossers like you who choose to throw all the mistakes he has made back in his face the moment he may well have saved the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 (edited) There's not one person on here who thinks Crouch has been a perfect chariman, it's only a few tossers like you who choose to throw all the mistakes he has made back in his face the moment he may well have saved the club. 'Tossers' for having an opinion different to yours - how old are you? Stop being such girl...Read the post again and try and comprehend it this time.... might be easier to read if you crawl out of his backside first mind... ;-) Edited 20 May, 2009 by Frank's cousin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I would agree with you totally IF you would be prepared to say the same things about any anyone else who dipped into tehir pocket at its hour need... 'NOW, I dont care about the past' would you apply this to Lowe as well if it was him? Se the problem I have is - well apart form leon being a bit irritating IMHO, is that right now we have this Love in for him. NOw the acts of generosity loan or gift is irrelevent due to teh risk involved are to be applauded without doubt, but the level of hero worship is worrying for two reasons. 1) we saw something similar when Wilde arrived - eg taking eye off the ball during the euphoria of Lowes 1st ousting and the naysayers were given a good verbal beating then as well....and b) There have been many fair and balanced posters who have thanked him for his contribution but still dont want him involved in a new set up - yet there seems to be a shift in this with more fans now saying they could live with his involvment in some honorary capacity - the cynic in me struggles with this... To be honest, I've read this thread a couple of times. It seems clear to me that you have little time for Crouch (irritating) and his generosity doesn't seem to sit well with you because you don't like the man. You talk about other people dipping their hands in their pockets, and would you be OK with that no matter who it was (I take it you're talking about Lowe or Wilde), but the point is that they haven't, and probably never will. Trying to polarise the argument to Lowe haters/Crouch haters is too simple. What you don't seem to understand is that there are lots of people out there who think Lowe did a poor job. What they think of Crouch is irrelevant, they think Lowe (and Wilde) did a poor job. You spend hours on here lecturing people on 'balanced views' and a lot of time throwing insults at others. Cynic, I don't know. Hypocrite, you most certainly are. What is so difficult to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 (edited) To be honest, I've read this thread a couple of times. It seems clear to me that you have little time for Crouch (irritating) and his generosity doesn't seem to sit well with you because you don't like the man. You talk about other people dipping their hands in their pockets, and would you be OK with that no matter who it was (I take it you're talking about Lowe or Wilde), but the point is that they haven't, and probably never will. Trying to polarise the argument to Lowe haters/Crouch haters is too simple. What you don't seem to understand is that there are lots of people out there who think Lowe did a poor job. What they think of Crouch is irrelevant, they think Lowe (and Wilde) did a poor job. You spend hours on here lecturing people on 'balanced views' and a lot of time throwing insults at others. Cynic, I don't know. Hypocrite, you most certainly are. What is so difficult to understand? Wade - the irritation towards Crouch stems from not being particularly impressed by him to date -where some think he's great for 'shooting from the hip' I find it crass or naive - that is my opinion based on how he has come across in the media -- and sorry I dont buy all the fan friendly stuff , just dont think its relevent and its distracting from the real issues at hand - am I grateful we still have a club ? YES - is this JUST down to Crouch, I dont know, the Echo says he has 'contributed' to wages, not payed the lot, but nevertheless that is a good gesture and he deserves thanks for that. Am I cynical? yes but not necessarily because of his gesture - but think about it, its 'leaked' to the Echo and yet he refuses to comment? Sure thats clever PR and good on him for recognising that. Of course how someone feels about Lowe is not related to how they feel about Crouch - I dislike them both, but you are seriously naive if you think that some of CRouches most vociferous 'fans' are not also some of the most ardent lowe-haters... just look at the names and compare posts.... This is not about Lowe/Crouch but IS about applying the same rules in judging their behaviour and actions thats all and that is FAIR. As for 'insults - I suggest you go back and read my posts because I rarely rise to it, but we all get wound up sometimes - and it seems that when its your heros in the firing line everyone starts acting like nuns - never seen you 'telling off a poster' when they called Lowe a C*** - but get all upity when I say Crouch might sometimes have his head up his arse.... jeez dont you find it ironic when you call me a hypocrit? PS. What is so difficult to understand.... Edited 20 May, 2009 by Frank's cousin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Wade - the irritation towards Crouch stems from not being particularly impressed by him to date -wher soem think he's great fro 'shooting from the hip' I find it crass or naive - that is my opinion based on how he has come across in te media -- and sorry I dont buy all the fan friendly stuff , just dont its irrelevent and distracting from the real issues at hand - am I grateful we still ahve a club ? YES - is this JUST down to Crouch, I dont know, the Echo says he has 'contributed' to wages, not payed the lot, but nevertheless that is a good gesture and he deserves thanks for that. Am I cynical? yes not necessarily because of his gesture - but think about it, its 'leaked' to the Echo and yet he refuses to comment? Sure thats clever PR and good on him for recognising that. Of course how someone feels about Lowe is not realted to how they feel about Crouch - I dislike them both, but you are seriously naive if you think that some of CRouches most vociferous 'fans' are not also some of the most ardent lowe-haters... just look at the names and compare posts.... This is not about Lowe/Crouch but IS about applying the same rules in judging their behaviour and actions thats all and that is FAIR. As for 'insults - I suggest you go back and read my posts because I rarely rise to it, but we all get wound up sometimes - and it seems that whn its your heros ioin teh firing line everyone starts acting like nuns - never seen you 'telling off a poster' when they called Lowe a C*** - but get all upity when I say CRouch might sometimes have his head up his arse.... jeez dont you find it ironic when you call me a hypocrit? There you go Frank, true to form. So I am naive, and Crouch is my hero. Your last paragraph just about sums you up. You remind me of a little boy who thinks he can do no wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 There you go Frank, true to form. So I am naive, and Crouch is my hero. Your last paragraph just about sums you up. You remind me of a little boy who thinks he can do no wrong. ****** - I can do plenty wrong, but your response is so typical, its like Alpine, you twist and turn and than actually dont really reply at all, just try and dismiss it - You draw conclusions in other peoples posts which are not there, and respond to these withiout actually giving an proper response to the points made .... you remind me of a boy that can obviously read but fails to comprehend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 ****** - I can do plenty wrong' date=' but your response is so typical, its like Alpine, you twist and turn and than actually dont really reply at all, just try and dismiss it - You draw conclusions in other peoples posts which are not there, and respond to these withiout actually giving an proper response to the points made .... you remind me of a boy that can obviously read but fails to comprehend.[/quote'] I think it is easier for me to simply put you on my ignore list. You remind me of a boy who can read but couldn't spell to save his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I think it is easier for me to simply put you on my ignore list. You remind me of a boy who can read but couldn't spell to save his life. Fine with me, because you never respond with anything interesting anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 This message is hidden because Frank's cousin is on your ignore list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 This message is hidden because Frank's cousin is on your ignore list. LOL - how old? look forward to you returning when you actually respond to points made.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 At this moment I don't care how Crouch comes across on the media. I don't care that he wears his heart on his sleeve. I don't even care what his motives are for trumping up the cash to keep us alive at the moment. All I care about is that he is the only one who is single handedly keeping this club in existence at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 (edited) To be honest, I've read this thread a couple of times. I too have read this thread a couple of times and the hypocrisy, bias, spite and unbalanced posts from those determined to knock Crouch (amongst others) at all costs is risible. Many have shown that they are simply unable to judge individual decisions and outcomes without having to scrape the bottom of the barrel with their insults, but instead have to retreat to some entrenched position in an attempt to justify their rather myopic and impartial stance. What is noticeable is that after some initial robust posts, many who were at first criticising/crucifying/lambasting Crouch (in their usual knee jerk manner) have now started to rein in their crass comments as they have been found to be extremely wanting, so maybe we should be thankful for small mercies. Others however, still try to justify their crass position. In a way, a very enlightening thread which has shown how some have struggled to put their prejudices aside and instead have been happy to hang them out rather than being able to see what is for the greater good of the Club. Edited 20 May, 2009 by um pahars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Lowe, Wilde and Crouch ALL made mistakes the past 5 years. ALL of them say they are passionate Saints fans. ONE of them has stepped up to the plate post Admin, whilst the other 2 have done nothing. Yet he is the one getting stick from some fans, am I the only one who finds that a bit strange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Lowe, Wilde and Crouch ALL made mistakes the past 5 years. ALL of them say they are passionate Saints fans. ONE of them has stepped up to the plate post Admin, whilst the other 2 have done nothing. Yet he is the one getting stick from some fans, am I the only one who finds that a bit strange? no, not the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Lowe, Wilde and Crouch ALL made mistakes the past 5 years. ALL of them say they are passionate Saints fans. ONE of them has stepped up to the plate post Admin, whilst the other 2 have done nothing. Yet he is the one getting stick from some fans, am I the only one who finds that a bit strange? Unbelievable isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 'Tossers' for having an opinion different to yours - how old are you? Stop being such girl...Read the post again and try and comprehend it this time.... might be easier to read if you crawl out of his backside first mind... ;-) I didn't call you a tosser because of your opinions, most people here probably have similar opinions as you of Crouch, you're just a tosser for chucking insults his way and having a dig at him when he's probably single handedly keeping YOUR football club afloat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I didn't call you a tosser because of your opinions, most people here probably have similar opinions as you of Crouch, you're just a tosser for chucking insults his way and having a dig at him when he's probably single handedly keeping YOUR football club afloat.If LC is loaning the club the money with a risk of losing it , then I withdraw my cynicism and apologise but if it is guarenteed to be paid back whatever, is it not something any fan would do who had the money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 If LC is loaning the club the money with a risk of losing it , then I withdraw my cynicism and apologise but if it is guarenteed to be paid back whatever, is it not something any fan would do who had the money? Well no one else has, Lowe and Wilde were supposed to be "fans" and they've just sculked away to their mansions. There are plenty of other wealthy Saints fans who havn't lifted a finger as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 I believe it was a witty +1 to this remark: "The self-declared high and mighty on here really do take some beating." Thank you Trousers. Daren please stop tripping over your IQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 yes but he is doer and not a talker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Well no one else has, Lowe and Wilde were supposed to be "fans" and they've just sculked away to their mansions. There are plenty of other wealthy Saints fans who havn't lifted a finger as well.I think that is fair comment, although I suspect the phone call goes to LC first as he has done so in the past.There are a great list of people who have taken more out of the club who should contact. the directors should be able to get plenty together,they have had the fruits of success in the past and so the risk should be spread.Of course fans on here who are up in arms could always get a 2nd mortgage and risk thier money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 If LC is loaning the club the money with a risk of losing it , then I withdraw my cynicism and apologise but if it is guarenteed to be paid back whatever, is it not something any fan would do who had the money? It's a generous and praiseworthy gesture in either event I'd say . In all probability if the administrator liquidates the company (as has been suggested) Leon would have to take his place with all the other creditors and he may well lose the lot . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 If LC is loaning the club the money with a risk of losing it , then I withdraw my cynicism and apologise but if it is guarenteed to be paid back whatever, is it not something any fan would do who had the money? In case it may have passed you by, we are on the cusp of going under, no one has yet to step up to the plate, we're not selling season tickets because there is no guarantee that they will be honoured etc etc etc so I think it is fair to say there is a degree of risk lending/giving money to the Club given its current predicament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 And the self fulfilling prophecy comes to pass. The divisions stay. In truth, whether seen as a hero or a villian, as the man who saved us long enough for Admin to work or the man who could have saved us before, it really matters not one iota. Through timing and circumstance, any "close" involvement with the "new club" by Leon can ONLY ever be "Regal", never political. Just this thread alone shows how almost the mere mention of his name starts up all the bitter memories and divisions. Whether his fault or not, Leon will always be a reminder of bitter and dis-united times, his name is tarnished, even if his character is eventually proven to be a true Saint. Those BAD YEARS must be buried and quickly, and IF he truly loves the club I expect he will realise that deep down, and may have to help out again before the dust settles for scant reward but our thanks. Time for him to take the "John Mortimer" seat, sure he gets to sit in the Boardroom at away games and in his fiefdom at SMS, but a small price to pay. Arise President Leon and that I think is as far as we can honestly go (Yes Weston, you and me - same idea you put it better) To be frank Phil I believe Weston or yourself would be better ambassadors in the role. Donations, loans or otherwise should not endow the donator / lender with a role at the club, honoray or otherwise. If so they'd better increase the capacity in the boardrooms because a lot of people have made worthy donations and played no part in the downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 For all the sneering by the Luvvies there's still no donation from their hero. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11682 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 May, 2009 Share Posted 20 May, 2009 Well no one else has, Lowe and Wilde were supposed to be "fans" and they've just sculked away to their mansions. There are plenty of other wealthy Saints fans who havn't lifted a finger as well. Sums it up for me whether you like Crouch or not is irrelevant he is still trying to help whereas others are showing their true colours, including people like Wiseman and Thompson who made a lot of money selling their shares. the board members who set us down the great shareholding democracy in 1997 must be very proud of their achievements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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