OldNick Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 LOL, Heard it all now...........You lot just dont get it do you? Every time a picture comes up of Rl etc you get loads of comments about ruddy faced duck shooter , smug look bas#### etc but anybody dare be slightly observant about one of the untouchables and it is herasy. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 A very expensive curry. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn`t. You mean, pity he didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 You lot just dont get it do you? Every time a picture comes up of Rl etc you get loads of comments about ruddy faced duck shooter , smug look bas#### etc but anybody dare be slightly observant about one of the untouchables and it is herasy. lol Ive seen the photo and the last thing he looks is smug FFS LOL You just want to slag him off, end of. Amazing how this thread has attracted the usual pro lowers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 [/b] Someone else who was an avid reader of the matchday programme when Leon was chairman. I use to liken his 'message from the chairman' as fairy tales or tales of the unexpected but fan-pandering guff may become de rigueur as regards to any action or communication from Leon Crouch. IMO the man tries to curry more favours with the fans than Madhur Jaffrey. Actually not from the programme, but based on the kind of things he's been saying via the OS and on the Echo website since 2007. To be perfectly honest I thought he was a loudmouth when he clattered onto the scene shouting the odds a couple of years back and as yet I've seen nothing from his public persona since to suggest he's anything other than a blowhard who says the kind of stuff he thinks the more gullible fan might like - yet actions to support it have been a little more difficult to identify. He has some money, he likes to chuck it at Saints, and as a general concept I'm in favour of that - my problem is when it comes strings attached and is all intended to raise some short term PR for his ego (or whatever reason). There is, after all, a big difference between "I love this club and I'll do what I can to save it" and "I like seeing my name in the paper for doing good stuff, but if it goes t1ts up I want money back". I'd prefer Lowe's prudence over Crouch's gambling in some situations, but there has to be a balance and a plan, and neither seem capable of realising success, which is why I don't want either. However, given the crisis, I will now go along with whatever saves us, whether that's Lowe, Crouch, Hoddle, Keegan, Sturrock's Eggy Stain or a juggling transsexual midget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 You lot just dont get it do you? Every time a picture comes up of Rl etc you get loads of comments about ruddy faced duck shooter , smug look bas#### etc but anybody dare be slightly observant about one of the untouchables and it is herasy. lol Oh, so it was irony! Sorry that it came across as petty mindedness. Perhaps you could find a smiley/winkey/scowling thing to make us aware in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Ive seen the photo and the last thing he looks is smug FFS LOL You just want to slag him off, end of. Amazing how this thread has attracted the usual pro lowers I have just gone and had another look at the picture and you are right he doesnt look smug. Perhaps uncomfortable in his pose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Cheers Leon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Nineteen canteen gets on the roll to ruin yet another thread on this forum. Why is that TNT? Is it because I don't agree with your pov and take the trouble to explain, whilst you throw out your witless one liners? Pity my photo editing or artistic skills aren't up to it otherwise we could post alongside Osman's proud display of Lowe and the Rope with one of Crouch and the gag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Cheers Leon Your talent is wasted MB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Cheers Leon As I have said all along......Uncle Leon ..YOU are a True God. 19, nickh, Frank and Little Richey of Woolston.....NO idea:smt075 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 You mean, pity he didn't Didn`t what? Put some money into the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Ian Gillan had more hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Thank you Leon. You are a true Saint. Those who want our club to survive and prosper are extremely grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 (edited) Did I say that Mike? No, I simply asked how much? Why and under what terms? Same old ****e stirring from Lowe`s trolling puppet... I personally could not care less what the terms are as the money he is providing the desperately needed funds to keeping the club going. What we do know is that if your disgraced hero had put up some money(lol) to help the club in it`s hour of desperate need it would no doubt be for his own ends as everthing he has done at SFC has been well rewarded by the several million he has recieved during his role`s as chairman. Well done Leon, thanks very much and i look forward to thanking you in person at SMS next season... Edited 19 May, 2009 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 With respect I was very very worried about administration and my worst fears voiced back at the start of the year if not before have been realised. I have no connection with the club or any directors past or present whatsoever and my personal inability to make a donation does not exclude me from questioning those who do and their motives for so doing. I remain unconvinced that 3 the protaganists couldn't have worked together with Leon clearly able to splash his cash and avoid administration in the first place. That is the basis for my long view/opinion and the simple fact we need the spite and pettiness removed from this club for good, hence my questions. The point is 19C we are way beyond the point where your opinions on LC's past performance matter. Can you not see that, or are you really just on a wind-up? You say you have no connection with the club - well that's an interesting statement - I had you down at least as a supporter - do you not attend games and provide funds via the gates then? If you want to remove spite and pettiness from the club, then understand the gravity of the situation we're in and the hurt that most supporters are feeling right now. If you don't want to provide a message of thanks to LC, then fine, but don't criticise or judge others by trying to argue that conditions to Leons gesture are necessary. You just serve to distance yourself and your wishes for 'peace' from most posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Nineteen canteen gets on the roll to ruin yet another thread on this forum. It doesn't help when people quote him/reply to his posts. If everyone just ignored his trolling it'd be best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Same old ****e stirring from Lowe`s trolling puppet... I personally could not care less what the terms are as the money he is providing the desperately needed funds to keeping the club going. QUOTE] Maybe so but I suspect you would be asking questions if Lowe was directly or indirectly supporting a cash injection or Gaydamak had made an offer for the stadium. In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 if Lowe was directly or indirectly supporting a cash injection. Never was going to happen though was it? LOL. I suggest you give it up - your hero has gone - he's done his best, which was ultimately rubbish and enough to kill the club potentially. You need to move on or see an analyst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Same old ****e stirring from Lowe`s trolling puppet... I personally could not care less what the terms are as the money he is providing the desperately needed funds to keeping the club going. QUOTE] Maybe so but I suspect you would be asking questions if Lowe was directly or indirectly supporting a cash injection or Gaydamak had made an offer for the stadium. In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king. Nope.. just glad we could carry on.... Once the club is safe and only then should we ask such questions. Yes i would be very worried if Lowe is ever given a chance to be involved at any level but like you, i am powerless to stop it should it happen. Gaydamak......? irelevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 I believe he will be lending the club money with safety guarenteed.If we are to to get on our knees in gratitude it should have been more to that old girl who walked up to the club and GAVE over £500 to the club to try and help save us some weeks back. Yes LC has loaned some money but should we now get the prayer mats out everytime his name is mentioned.Ok Ottery reaches for the Kleenex each time he sees a picture but he is no better than any of the people who are giving free time saturday etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 I believe he will be lending the club money with safety guarenteed.If we are to to get on our knees in gratitude it should have been more to that old girl who walked up to the club and GAVE over £500 to the club to try and help save us some weeks back. Yes LC has loaned some money but should we now get the prayer mats out everytime his name is mentioned.Ok Ottery reaches for the Kleenex each time he sees a picture but he is no better than any of the people who are giving free time saturday etc. But we shouldn`t get the wooden stake and hammer either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 I believe he will be lending the club money with safety guarenteed.If we are to to get on our knees in gratitude it should have been more to that old girl who walked up to the club and GAVE over £500 to the club to try and help save us some weeks back. Yes LC has loaned some money but should we now get the prayer mats out everytime his name is mentioned.Ok Ottery reaches for the Kleenex each time he sees a picture but he is no better than any of the people who are giving free time saturday etc. But you have no idea do you? I am personally grateful to anyone who has donated anything to the club. The fact that Leon Crouch is doing something makes him worth praising surely? unlike you hero, the creator of the insane dutch disaster. Has Lowe or Wilde done anything to help.? Oh i forgot Lowe was "helpful" he put us in administration to late so we were deducted 10 points next season,he got it badly wrong again like most of his stupid decisions... And Wilde, well he just hides... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 But you have no idea do you? I am personally grateful to anyone who has donated anything to the club. The fact that Leon Crouch is doing something makes him worth praising surely? unlike you hero, the creator of the insane dutch disaster. Has Lowe or Wilde done anything to help.? Oh i forgot Lowe was "helpful" he put us in administration to late so we were deducted 10 points next season,he got it badly wrong like most of his stupid decisions... And Wilde, well he just hides... I agree with this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 The point is 19C we are way beyond the point where your opinions on LC's past performance matter. Can you not see that, or are you really just on a wind-up? You say you have no connection with the club - well that's an interesting statement - I had you down at least as a supporter - do you not attend games and provide funds via the gates then? If you want to remove spite and pettiness from the club, then understand the gravity of the situation we're in and the hurt that most supporters are feeling right now. If you don't want to provide a message of thanks to LC, then fine, but don't criticise or judge others by trying to argue that conditions to Leons gesture are necessary. You just serve to distance yourself and your wishes for 'peace' from most posters. Please don't patronise me or pedal your pedantic clever play with words. You know what I mean't when I replied to your open question 'I don't know what connection you have with the club?' If you read my posts in the past you would know my position as a supporter but you choose not to believe it is your concern and I accept that. I am well aware of the gravity of the situation and trying to equate Crouch's 'investment' with the views of one or two posters on here who frankly I hold in higher regard than Crouch and who have consistently acted without agenda. Is Crouch the epitome that a fool and his money are easily parted or is this a calculated risk with a decent chance of success? I don't serve to distance myself from anybody but simply desire to challenge the views and actions of others that I don't understand or can't find any reason for their views regardless of my own opinion. You noticeably, for one who knows Crouch well, refused to answer my earlier questions about his 'donation' and if he insisted on salary cuts and the terms, if any, of his 'donation'. Also you did not respond to the question that if he can flash the cash now why couldn't he have done it before administration when the risks of liquidation in the current climate was very high? Not to mention that you say he loves the club and the staff but does that mean he loves them more than the 50 he laid off, who worked for one of his companies or one at least one he was involved with? We are 59 minutes into the 11th hour as far as I can tell and is this donation just a throwaway amount so he can turn around and say in the post-mortem and final analysis I did my bit and tried? Therefore, able to put himself above any potential criticism of his involvement (or lack of) pre-adminstration. Patronise me, insult me and join in the charcter assasination I really don't mind and i'll respond if I have to but please answer the questions in detail as you know the man well. Oh I did thank him in my original post but I'm still not convinced IMO this is no more than some kind of damage limitation exercise to his own reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Never was going to happen though was it? LOL. I suggest you give it up - your hero has gone - he's done his best, which was ultimately rubbish and enough to kill the club potentially. You need to move on or see an analyst. Thank you for highlighting I used the word if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Please don't patronise me or pedal your pedantic clever play with words. You know what I mean't when I replied to your open question 'I don't know what connection you have with the club?' If you read my posts in the past you would know my position as a supporter but you choose not to believe it is your concern and I accept that. I am well aware of the gravity of the situation and trying to equate Crouch's 'investment' with the views of one or two posters on here who frankly I hold in higher regard than Crouch and who have consistently acted without agenda. Is Crouch the epitome that a fool and his money are easily parted or is this a calculated risk with a decent chance of success? I don't serve to distance myself from anybody but simply desire to challenge the views and actions of others that I don't understand or can't find any reason for their views regardless of my own opinion. You noticeably, for one who knows Crouch well, refused to answer my earlier questions about his 'donation' and if he insisted on salary cuts and the terms, if any, of his 'donation'. Also you did not respond to the question that if he can flash the cash now why couldn't he have done it before administration when the risks of liquidation in the current climate was very high? Not to mention that you say he loves the club and the staff but does that mean he loves them more than the 50 he laid off, who worked for one of his companies or one at least one he was involved with? We are 59 minutes into the 11th hour as far as I can tell and is this donation just a throwaway amount so he can turn around and say in the post-mortem and final analysis I did my bit and tried? Therefore, able to put himself above any potential criticism of his involvement (or lack of) pre-adminstration. Patronise me, insult me and join in the charcter assasination I really don't mind and i'll respond if I have to but please answer the questions in detail as you know the man well. Oh I did thank him in my original post but I'm still not convinced IMO this is no more than some kind of damage limitation exercise to his own reputation. You really are a **** if you think Crouch is stumping up his hard earned cash just to deflect any criticism (which he only get's on here from you luvies). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Leon Crouch is providing a loan to the football club, SFC Ltd who are not in Administration. It is a loan he will expect to be repayed should a new owner purchase the football club. Other than that I do not know the terms. I assume he stands to lose the lot if the club is liquidated. Whatever the terms and whatever he has done before this IS a lifeline and he deserves credit for that gesture and commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 OK, a few months ago it was reported that a company Leon Crouch owned or was involved with had to lay off 50 employees. Does he love the staff at SMS more than those who worked for him? If there are guarantees to him in terms of repayment, interest or position does that make it a donation or simple business decision based on risk and reward? If the latter i don't understand why he would make any contributon without an agreement to cut salaries. The man's contribution is welcome please don't get me wrong but that does not mean he is above questioning. Lowe failed in some areas but he also achieved a big reduction in our operating costs and overdraft but because of bigots and the easily influenced he was unable to address falling revenues unless he walked away which IMO was at the time a Catch 22 situation. Please also remember long before administration and Leon's offer of £2m I was advocating for Lowe to invite Crouch on to the Football Board as Chairman in an attempt to address the decline in attendances. It transpires Crouch had similar ideas with his £2m although they were packaged in a way that Wilde would never have agreed to it. Its about the Club 19c - it appears from these comments that you still haven't quite got your head around that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 You really are a **** if you think Crouch is stumping up his hard earned cash just to deflect any criticism (which he only get's on here from you luvies). Read the posts on other threads from some well respected posters (who usually do not agree with me btw) and you may have trouble trying to correlate why a successful businessman is apparently simply paying for the electricity on the life support machine of SFC. Something doesn't make sense hence my opinions and questions. Be careful when you wink you will be temporarily blinded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Something doesn't make sense Yes - he is a businessman But he is also a Saints supporting businessman. If I had the money and I felt like I didnt need all of it to have much of a better quality of life then i'd help my club out. Someone needs to bash your head with two large symbols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Thanks Leon The man's a genuine Saints fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Leon is Jesus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Leon is Jesus... and Lowe is...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Crouch, not a big fan mysefl, but if true fairplay to the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Leon is Jesus... He`s going to marry Madonna??:smt103 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 and Lowe is...? God/Satan* delete depending on your polarisied view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Leon Crouch is providing a loan to the football club, SFC Ltd who are not in Administration. It is a loan he will expect to be repayed should a new owner purchase the football club. Other than that I do not know the terms. I assume he stands to lose the lot if the club is liquidated. Whatever the terms and whatever he has done before this IS a lifeline and he deserves credit for that gesture and commitment. Thank you Weston. As I said in my original post we all should be grateful but I personally will also remain mindful of those unknown if any conditions and would like to know if any salary cuts have been agreed especially as the 'players motivation' issue has gone away. I can't though correlate your recent posts on other threads with the term 'lifeline' which suggests hope as you have already worryingly suggested the patient's condition is terminal making any loan, donation, fund-raising somewhat futile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 God/Satan* delete depending on your polarisied view To some he will be a satanic god... To others hes`s a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 God/Satan* delete depending on your polarisied view lol - Wilde appears to be the Holy Ghost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 lol - Wilde appears to be the Holy Ghost To be honest he is/was just a puppet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Leon thank you for bringing us hope, thank you for bringing us NP, thank you for the statue, thank you for sponsoring Saint Aid etc., etc., Blimey the only good things to happen to our club in the last few seasons and each one was backed by Crouch! Take them away and this club would have NOTHING to even smile about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Blimey the only good things to happen to our club in the last few seasons and each one was backed by Crouch! Take them away and this club would have NOTHING to even smile about. Depends on the statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulip Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 top man crouchie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Thank you Mr Crouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sun of spain Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Leon Crouch is providing a loan to the football club, SFC Ltd who are not in Administration. It is a loan he will expect to be repayed should a new owner purchase the football club. Other than that I do not know the terms. I assume he stands to lose the lot if the club is liquidated. Whatever the terms and whatever he has done before this IS a lifeline and he deserves credit for that gesture and commitment. And this gentlemen is what has undoubtedly taken place,some of you are just reading too much into it.Who cares if there are some strings attached or some perceive there is more to it,the guy is keeping our club going for the moment. To be honest Crouch just can't win,whatever he does there's a minority who will try and attack him.I am no lover of Rupert Lowe,but if he did the same in these circumstances I'm sure many fair minded fans would applaud him. Well done Mr Crouch sir,most of us are thankful for your help in these terrible times ! :smt038 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 (edited) But you have no idea do you? I am personally grateful to anyone who has donated anything to the club. The fact that Leon Crouch is doing something makes him worth praising surely? unlike you hero, the creator of the insane dutch disaster. Has Lowe or Wilde done anything to help.? Oh i forgot Lowe was "helpful" he put us in administration to late so we were deducted 10 points next season,he got it badly wrong again like most of his stupid decisions... And Wilde, well he just hides...Yes i do have an idea and it is that he will have loaned the club the money not given it.There is no shame in that, of course he will not milk the applause and use it like a politician. Good on him. As for your idea of Rl being my hero you are wrong but i do see he was not all bad.Im not hypocritical to have recalled the good days and only remembering the bad things. Edited 19 May, 2009 by OldNick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Thank you Weston. As I said in my original post we all should be grateful but I personally will also remain mindful of those unknown if any conditions and would like to know if any salary cuts have been agreed especially as the 'players motivation' issue has gone away. I can't though correlate your recent posts on other threads with the term 'lifeline' which suggests hope as you have already worryingly suggested the patient's condition is terminal making any loan, donation, fund-raising somewhat futile. Not changed my view on that but clearly Leon Crouch thinks there is hope but he was ever the optimist when it came to Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Yes i do have an idea and it is that he will have loaned the club the money not given it.There is no shame in that, of course he will not milk the applause and use it like a politician. Good on him. You used the word guaranteed. How can it be guaranteed in the current situation? What i said was that you do not know if their are conditions or not, so you have no idea, just a guess. "Milk the applause" not "curry favour" like Lowe tried with his infamous letter from 19c or maybe it was from you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 May, 2009 Share Posted 19 May, 2009 Not changed my view on that but clearly Leon Crouch thinks there is hope but he was ever the optimist when it came to Saints. Thanks for the clarification as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now