Pinnacle deadline extended

[trousers]

You must admit, that turned out to be as true as a politicians expense sheet, so, PLEASE excuse me if I treat all such up to date utterances re Lowe with caution

 

It's common knowledge I do not want him anywhere near Saints .... my "obsession" as you call it will cease when the New Owners are in place, and Lowe is emptying bins at WH Ireland

 

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/markets/article.html?in_article_id=486109

 

"The directors included Richard Ford, the chief executive; former Southampton FC boss Rupert Lowe, the chairman; Nigel Gurney, finance director; and City spin doctor Roland Rudd. Not exactly aces in running a stockbroking business".

[doggface]

DP,

 

Fry would have insisted on talking to the moneymen. How could MJ have "BS'd that?

 

Fry would have insisted that any actual offer was linked with details as to who would actually be sending in the money

 

There has only been one difference so far that I can see between Pinnacle & these guys - Pinnacle did all the talking in the media.

 

Phil,

Fry would not insist on dealing with the money men himself, MJ would be able to negotiate with Fry as an agent of the principles.

 

On your other point, I'm sure that pinnacle have been dealing with the media but you only need look at the echo these past few weeks to know for a fact Jackson is doing the same if not worse!

 

He may not be 100% full of BS, but we know from past history that he would be difficult to trust bearing in mind his immidiate past, I also know that some close to these going's on think the same.

[Verbal]

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/markets/article.html?in_article_id=486109

 

"The directors included Richard Ford, the chief executive; former Southampton FC boss Rupert Lowe, the chairman; Nigel Gurney, finance director; and City spin doctor Roland Rudd. Not exactly aces in running a stockbroking business".

 

Quite funny that. But you know it'll only wake up the Beast, don't you?

[thorpie the sinner]

I wonder if Pinnacle are still working on a bid! Would explain the silence, if it had gone tits up, think TL would have came out and made a statement

[RoswellSaint]

lol

 

First question - which side of the road was it driving? If it was a true Arab it would have been on the right and to hell with the traffic

Second - due to the homophobic nature of this part of the world it is more likely to be somebody's wife out shopping. Arab in a pink car.... nice one didn't think it was still 1st April

 

The journalists probably think you are the Middle East connection...

[dubai_phil]

Phil,

Fry would not insist on dealing with the money men himself, MJ would be able to negotiate with Fry as an agent of the principles.

 

On your other point, I'm sure that pinnacle have been dealing with the media but you only need look at the echo these past few weeks to know for a fact Jackson is doing the same if not worse!

 

He may not be 100% full of BS, but we know from past history that he would be difficult to trust bearing in mind his immidiate past, I also know that some close to these going's on think the same.

 

1) Sorry perhaps should have said Fry would insist on knowing and talking to the Moneymen. We were told of a meeting & conf call on 7th May with all the parties

 

2) MJ has made no statement to the press.

An employee of SFC Ltd appears to have leaked the fact that MJ was at SMS on 7th May.

If it wasn't an employee then it was Fry which is out of order.

SG is the official spokesperson, I don't get the Echo but I think he has only made ONE statement so far.

 

3) I spoke to MJ this morning on messenger, neither he nor SG spoke to the Echo yesterday, so who else told that story today?

 

4) Agree it is hard to trust or take on trust anyone.

These bids have by nature been put together very quickly.

I expect if anyone could do a poll of everyone in any of these discussions I would expect

 

No one trusts MJ

No one trusts Fry

Lynam no longer trusts one of his investment partners

No one can keep their mouths shut at SMS so who's leaks can anyone believe

And as for the Echo & Solent - Pink Bentley that may have been a Roller

 

The PROBLEM is that I still haven't seen a viable alternative.

If you have friends close to Pinnacle then they will be telling you what they believe the issues are that they are having.

Think it is highly unlikely that their problems are caused by MJ's group.

 

If it is so wrong that he is at least trying then Where the hell is everyone else that is supposed to be riding to our rescue?

An overseas bidder? Hmm Think we've heard that one before

 

A lunatic dyslexic FAN is the ONLY person left talking to Fry? Jesus that tells us a lot about our so called wealthy/benefactor/City Expert/uber fan/ Supporters doesn't it.

 

What is the alternative right now at this moment? PLEASE somebody SOMEWHERE HELP.

 

But they aren't and we're busy still trying to blame someone and couldn't even get our legends match together

[dubai_phil]

The journalists probably think you are the Middle East connection...

 

I'll give them the email address of my wife's divorce lawyer. That should stop that link stone dead

 

:smt013

[RoswellSaint]

1) Sorry perhaps should have said Fry would insist on knowing and talking to the Moneymen. We were told of a meeting & conf call on 7th May with all the parties

 

2) MJ has made no statement to the press.

An employee of SFC Ltd appears to have leaked the fact that MJ was at SMS on 7th May.

If it wasn't an employee then it was Fry which is out of order.

SG is the official spokesperson, I don't get the Echo but I think he has only made ONE statement so far.

 

3) I spoke to MJ this morning on messenger, neither he nor SG spoke to the Echo yesterday, so who else told that story today?

 

4) Agree it is hard to trust or take on trust anyone.

These bids have by nature been put together very quickly.

I expect if anyone could do a poll of everyone in any of these discussions I would expect

 

No one trusts MJ

No one trusts Fry

Lynam no longer trusts one of his investment partners

No one can keep their mouths shut at SMS so who's leaks can anyone believe

And as for the Echo & Solent - Pink Bentley that may have been a Roller

 

The PROBLEM is that I still haven't seen a viable alternative.

If you have friends close to Pinnacle then they will be telling you what they believe the issues are that they are having.

Think it is highly unlikely that their problems are caused by MJ's group.

 

If it is so wrong that he is at least trying then Where the hell is everyone else that is supposed to be riding to our rescue?

An overseas bidder? Hmm Think we've heard that one before

 

A lunatic dyslexic FAN is the ONLY person left talking to Fry? Jesus that tells us a lot about our so called wealthy/benefactor/City Expert/uber fan/ Supporters doesn't it.

 

What is the alternative right now at this moment? PLEASE somebody SOMEWHERE HELP.

 

But they aren't and we're busy still trying to blame someone and couldn't even get our legends match together

 

Agree 100%

[thorpie the sinner]

1) Sorry perhaps should have said Fry would insist on knowing and talking to the Moneymen. We were told of a meeting & conf call on 7th May with all the parties

 

2) MJ has made no statement to the press.

An employee of SFC Ltd appears to have leaked the fact that MJ was at SMS on 7th May.

If it wasn't an employee then it was Fry which is out of order.

SG is the official spokesperson, I don't get the Echo but I think he has only made ONE statement so far.

 

3) I spoke to MJ this morning on messenger, neither he nor SG spoke to the Echo yesterday, so who else told that story today?

 

4) Agree it is hard to trust or take on trust anyone.

These bids have by nature been put together very quickly.

I expect if anyone could do a poll of everyone in any of these discussions I would expect

 

No one trusts MJ

No one trusts Fry

Lynam no longer trusts one of his investment partners

No one can keep their mouths shut at SMS so who's leaks can anyone believe

And as for the Echo & Solent - Pink Bentley that may have been a Roller

 

The PROBLEM is that I still haven't seen a viable alternative.

If you have friends close to Pinnacle then they will be telling you what they believe the issues are that they are having.

Think it is highly unlikely that their problems are caused by MJ's group.

 

If it is so wrong that he is at least trying then Where the hell is everyone else that is supposed to be riding to our rescue?

An overseas bidder? Hmm Think we've heard that one before

 

A lunatic dyslexic FAN is the ONLY person left talking to Fry? Jesus that tells us a lot about our so called wealthy/benefactor/City Expert/uber fan/ Supporters doesn't it.

 

What is the alternative right now at this moment? PLEASE somebody SOMEWHERE HELP.

 

But they aren't and we're busy still trying to blame someone and couldn't even get our legends match together

 

I think I am part of the minority who is bloody thankful for any possible bid we have. MJ seems to have busted a gut on this one, and we all know he is representing the money man!! Fair play LLS, I always enjoyed your messages from before!! Said it before, say it again, I want a club to support next year!! I don't want a venue to go and watch uber gigs, would prefer to go to London for that!

[The Rover]

Phil you say that Jackson and Green deny talking to the Echo but this part of the article (hope a small quote is OK Baj) seems to suggest that someone from their camp has done, don't you agree:

The Daily Echo understands a second offer was submitted last night, however it still falls short of the asking price and the group is now waiting for a response from Fry.

 

The group says it is ready to hand over £500,000 by way of advance to cover this month’s wage bill.

[Weston Saint]

I have to endorse Phil's post above. Marc Jackson has spent an inordinate amount of time trying to save SFC. He has had his highs followed by his lows and not much sleep.

 

Whatever the outcome, and it is far from certain we will survive, at least he and Stuart Green are trying with the help of some knowledgable and helpful individuals.

 

Give the guy a break. I can understand the doubts from his past history but if you do not want to say anything nice or encouraging try saying nothing and wait and see. If it goes tits up you can smerk but ask yourself "what have I done to help" as SFC sinks forever.

[thorpie the sinner]

I have to endorse Phil's post above. Marc Jackson has spent an inordinate amount of time trying to save SFC. He has had his highs followed by his lows and not much sleep.

 

Whatever the outcome, and it is far from certain we will survive, at least he and Stuart Green are trying with the help of some knowledgable and helpful individuals.

 

Give the guy a break. I can understand the doubts from his past history but if you do not want to say anything nice or encouraging try saying nothing and wait and see. If it goes tits up you can smerk but ask yourself "what have I done to help" as SFC sinks forever.

 

hear hear

[Frank's cousin]

I have to endorse Phil's post above. Marc Jackson has spent an inordinate amount of time trying to save SFC. He has had his highs followed by his lows and not much sleep.

 

Whatever the outcome, and it is far from certain we will survive, at least he and Stuart Green are trying with the help of some knowledgable and helpful individuals.

 

Give the guy a break. I can understand the doubts from his past history but if you do not want to say anything nice or encouraging try saying nothing and wait and see. If it goes tits up you can smerk but ask yourself "what have I done to help" as SFC sinks forever.

 

Ron, I fully appreciate the sentiment and I cant argue against the 'willingness' but I cant get over the whole shebang beofore with the 100mil + Plus backers and David Beckham soccer school tie in etc - that may well have been a lofty dream, but it was presented as reality and that is stretching credibilty past the breaking point.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I think I am part of the minority who is bloody thankful for any possible bid we have. MJ seems to have busted a gut on this one, and we all know he is representing the money man!! Fair play LLS, I always enjoyed your messages from before!! Said it before, say it again, I want a club to support next year!! I don't want a venue to go and watch uber gigs, would prefer to go to London for that!

 

Thorpie I think you might be kidding yourself. You may be part of a vocal minority but I feel you are part of a far bigger silent majority. I am firmly in the same camp with you and agree totally with your comments.

 

There are a few egos on here with inconsistent opinions and agendas so it's not surprising they have lost sight of what is important. They can forgive and forget the actions of their legends and uber fans but can't forgive a few challanging posts on a forum?

 

In the absence of Sir Philip Green, The Duke of Westminster or the Oppenheimers riding into town I will happily support Jackson and Green as I have supported Lowe, Crouch, Dulieu, Wilde, Askham and Bates before them.

 

Why? Because I support the Saints - no further questions.

[thorpie the sinner]

Thorpie I think you might be kidding yourself. You may be part of a vocal minority but I feel you are part of a far bigger silent majority. I am firmly in the same camp with you and agree totally with your comments.

 

There are a few egos on here with inconsistent opinions and agendas so it's not surprising they have lost sight of what is important. They can forgive and forget the actions of their legends and uber fans but can't forgive a few challanging posts on a forum?

 

In the absence of Sir Philip Green, The Duke of Westminster or the Oppenheimers riding into town I will happily support Jackson and Green as I have supported Lowe, Crouch, Dulieu, Wilde, Askham and Bates before them.

 

Why? Because I support the Saints - no further questions.

 

If we do go bust, it will be interesting watching the bloodbath on here and the blame game in full flow! I can't actually think of anything better than popping up to Adam Park to see the boys at the moment. To that end, I hope MJ/SG produce the goods!

[Nineteen Canteen]

Ron' date=' I fully appreciate the sentiment and I cant argue against the 'willingness' but I cant get over the whole shebang beofore with the 100mil + Plus backers and David Beckham soccer school tie in etc - that may well have been a lofty dream, but it was presented as reality and that is stretching credibilty past the breaking point.[/quote']

 

Frank, with the greatest of respect you may need to get over yourself before you tackle the shebang. Crouch gave plenty of false promises and to a degree we have largely bought this upon ourselves and therefore it is petty to be questioning whether we get in the bunker 3 minutes after the 4 minute warning has been sounded because you may not like the hopes and dreams of your inmates. Survive or die Frank, lets just effing support the deal and enjoy the ride.

 

What's so unreasonable about a Beckham soccer school tie in anyway?

[Nineteen Canteen]

If we do go bust, it will be interesting watching the bloodbath on here and the blame game in full flow! I can't actually think of anything better than popping up to Adam Park to see the boys at the moment. To that end, I hope MJ/SG produce the goods!

 

Exactly, watching Kelvin shovel the dogsh from his area before the start.

[Weston Saint]

Ron' date=' I fully appreciate the sentiment and I cant argue against the 'willingness' but I cant get over the whole shebang beofore with the 100mil + Plus backers and David Beckham soccer school tie in etc - that may well have been a lofty dream, but it was presented as reality and that is stretching credibilty past the breaking point.[/quote']But this one has passed the test the Administrator set, funds proved, conference call with the Administrator/Money men etc etc. There are stumbling blocks just as there were with the Pinnacle led bid and it may all fall apart but this is not a whim, nor was the Pinnacle one. This is SFC life we are now talking about.

[OldNick]

Thorpie I think you might be kidding yourself. You may be part of a vocal minority but I feel you are part of a far bigger silent majority. I am firmly in the same camp with you and agree totally with your comments.

 

There are a few egos on here with inconsistent opinions and agendas so it's not surprising they have lost sight of what is important. They can forgive and forget the actions of their legends and uber fans but can't forgive a few challanging posts on a forum?

 

In the absence of Sir Philip Green, The Duke of Westminster or the Oppenheimers riding into town I will happily support Jackson and Green as I have supported Lowe, Crouch, Dulieu, Wilde, Askham and Bates before them.

 

Why? Because I support the Saints - no further questions.

I have a similar opinion and hope some of the more powerful hitters on here also agree.

I hope as you have been happy to add your support that some of the others who have been on theo ther side of the fence feel able to join behind MJ as well.

Of course if he fails to deliver it will be hard to justify it, but 1 thing the administration has proved, Frost/Davies/Fulthorpe/Cousins/Salz/Souness were never really there or not able to deliver.

Im not going to congratulate Mj until it is confirmed that his consortium has done the job.

Then there will be a list of people who have stayed out of the public eye who unselfishly have tried to save/save us

[OldNick]

Can i add like the Pinnacle bid i was told that MLT would back any offer that saves the club. Not putting words in his mouth, perhaps theGaffer can ask him for us and confirm.

[Wade Garrett]

If the Jackson consortium succeed I will have no problem eating humble pie. I don't think it will happen though, the man has a poor track record and is a bit of a hindrance in my opinion.

[thorpie the sinner]

I have a similar opinion and hope some of the more powerful hitters on here also agree.

I hope as you have been happy to add your support that some of the others who have been on theo ther side of the fence feel able to join behind MJ as well.

Of course if he fails to deliver it will be hard to justify it, but 1 thing the administration has proved, Frost/Davies/Fulthorpe/Cousins/Salz/Souness were never really there or not able to deliver.

Im not going to congratulate Mj until it is confirmed that his consortium has done the job.

Then there will be a list of people who have stayed out of the public eye who unselfishly have tried to save/save us

 

Agree! I still think we should all be praying as opposed to continually sniping!! We are on the edge!!

[ladysaint]

I dont care who it is behind the setting up of the deal if I have a football club to support next season that will be enough for me. However, I dont want to have to go through this again in the next season or two. Please lets just all get behind whoever buys us and give them our support. My money is in the bank waiting for the season tickets to be released.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Can't believe for 1 minute that any business deal involving MJ will lead to anything but disaster.

[Frank's cousin]

But this one has passed the test the Administrator set, funds proved, conference call with the Administrator/Money men etc etc. There are stumbling blocks just as there were with the Pinnacle led bid and it may all fall apart but this is not a whim, nor was the Pinnacle one. This is SFC life we are now talking about.

 

I will state quite catagorically for the record: I would happily shake the hand and support ANYONE/GROUP that succeed in rescuing us. I will be positive from day 1 and NOT be negative and miserable and a naysayer - however I will also reserve the right to: defend them/their actions when given grief for not having money, no ambition etc, or criticise them for wasting money/fan friendly BS etc + reserve the right to offer thoughts and OPINIONS on how they are doing - it is afterall opinion and we are all entitled to one.

 

Do I hope MJ works if there is nothing else? YES

Do I believe its a serious bid which has passed certain of Fry's tests? I will take Rons word on this

Do I believe there is likely to be a last minute hitch? Sadly yes, because I dont see how having failed at Bournemouth, Marc will have in that short time have found new backers to the tune of 10mil plus - and I mean that with the sadly.....

Do I think he is trying his best? YES

Do I believe Fry wants 14 mil? NOt sure what to believe, If Fry has not spoken to the Echo (and they would normally quote him) then it must be a leak from the MJ camp (sorry ron) and the cynic in me says that its a preparation for withdrawal when we hear 'we had backing for 15 mil based on promotion, but teh then Fry changed teh goal posts and we needed 14 mil down which we could not do...Fry' fault etc.... I simply dont believe that the administrator would change goalposts at last minute, that is unprofessional and unlikely...

Do I hope I am wrong - YES, desperate for humble pie and the club to be saved.

[OldNick]

Can't believe for 1 minute that any business deal involving MJ will lead to anything but disaster.

You may be right.Why not give us the negatives when he fails.Te difference between Pinnalce and MJ is that one is still there.

[notnowcato]

maybe mr jackson should conduct his affairs (if he is actually involved at all) in private, rather than contacting the echo's desk every 5 minutes. Some seem very keen to blow his trumpet, for me there appears to be as much negative to the positive so far.

[notnowcato]

You may be right.Why not give us the negatives when he fails.Te difference between Pinnalce and MJ is that one is still there.

 

Is this fact or opinion presented as fact?

[exit2]

I have to admit when I hear the name Marc Jackson, I think of TRICAN, the company he set up to buy Southampton last time with the Arabs One big floor in that was Barry "the breifcase" Beardall

 

But something is very wrong with the process at the moment if the deadlines keep getting extended, people popping up with better bids etc. Personally I think it doesnt look good

[notnowcato]

I have to admit when I hear the name Marc Jackson, I think of TRICAN, the company he set up to buy Southampton last time with the Arabs One big floor in that was Barry "the breifcase" Beardall

 

But something is very wrong with the process at the moment if the deadlines keep getting extended, people popping up with better bids etc. Personally I think it doesnt look good

 

The Echo reports that the deadlines keep being extended, the Echo knows little as Fry is not talking to them daily.... the echo has to sell copies to keep in business, rocket science it is not.

 

It took me 5 months to buy an effing house this year, these things take time. As long as BT are in situ there is hope.... not time for the soap and razor blades yet.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

You may be right.Why not give us the negatives when he fails.Te difference between Pinnalce and MJ is that one is still there.

 

And how do you know this? Not from talking to MJ on IM I hope?

[dubai_phil]

maybe mr jackson should conduct his affairs (if he is actually involved at all) in private, rather than contacting the echo's desk every 5 minutes. Some seem very keen to blow his trumpet, for me there appears to be as much negative to the positive so far.

 

You obviously don't read many other posts, (but then there are so many threads these days) but as you asked Nickh below your post - you know this as fact do you?

[notnowcato]

the cynic in me says that its a preparation for withdrawal when we hear 'we had backing for 15 mil based on promotion, but teh then Fry changed teh goal posts and we needed 14 mil down which we could not do...Fry' fault etc.... I simply dont believe that the administrator would change goalposts at last minute, that is unprofessional and unlikely...

Do I hope I am wrong - YES, desperate for humble pie and the club to be saved.

 

Spot on FC

[notnowcato]

You obviously don't read many other posts, (but then there are so many threads these days) but as you asked Nickh below your post - you know this as fact do you?

 

DP, it really doesn't take much working out which side are speaking to the Echo.

[Micky]

maybe mr jackson should conduct his affairs (if he is actually involved at all) in private, rather than contacting the echo's desk every 5 minutes. Some seem very keen to blow his trumpet, for me there appears to be as much negative to the positive so far.

 

The negativity is borne by events surrounding the horrendous (public) mess when he was connected with the AFCB debacle - and as many have stated was justifiably warranted.

 

The positivity probably stems from the fact that we are now so desperate for somebody (anybody) to buy us, we are grateful for his efforts.

 

That said - I am totally unconvinced that he should be anything but a middleman - if he succeeds he should take the plaudits and any payoff, enjoy his 15 minutes of fame, stick his fingers up at those doubters that previously mocked him - and walk away.

 

As FC has stated elsewhere - there were notions mooted that he had aspirations of an 'active' role at AFCB, and this is the part of the equation that worries me now.

 

MJ may well be a very good facilitator, but I remain unconvinced that he really has the right skills for delivering a successful strategic plan for a professional football club.

 

MJ is wearing his heart on his sleeve and busting a gut to do something to save the club - I only hope that it is done in good faith and he knows when to take a bow and say 'Thank you & good night'.

[dubai_phil]

Phil you say that Jackson and Green deny talking to the Echo but this part of the article (hope a small quote is OK Baj) seems to suggest that someone from their camp has done, don't you agree:

 

I asked that question this morning at 10:06 your time on IM as it did not seem in keeping with their strategy so far

 

The answer was very specific and the best way to avoid the swear filter is to type

 

where the frack did they get that from?

 

and re-iterate, at that time he said Stuart Green has so far made one public statement and nothing else has come out.

 

FWIW I also asked how it was going and what the difficulties being faced by all parties in the negotiations appears to be and I received "You know I can't tell you but basically ***** ***** ** ******* *** feck frack feck (although tbf the spelling wasn't as good as my retyping of it )

 

So it's stressful and they are worried there is no safety net and has anyone else got any great ideas to help?

Or should I just tell him to forget it in case it goes wrong again when I next catch him online?

[dubai_phil]

I will state quite catagorically for the record: I would happily shake the hand and support ANYONE/GROUP that succeed in rescuing us. I will be positive from day 1 and NOT be negative and miserable and a naysayer - however I will also reserve the right to: defend them/their actions when given grief for not having money, no ambition etc, or criticise them for wasting money/fan friendly BS etc + reserve the right to offer thoughts and OPINIONS on how they are doing - it is afterall opinion and we are all entitled to one.

 

Do I hope MJ works if there is nothing else? YES

Do I believe its a serious bid which has passed certain of Fry's tests? I will take Rons word on this

Do I believe there is likely to be a last minute hitch? Sadly yes, because I dont see how having failed at Bournemouth, Marc will have in that short time have found new backers to the tune of 10mil plus - and I mean that with the sadly.....

Do I think he is trying his best? YES

Do I believe Fry wants 14 mil? NOt sure what to believe, If Fry has not spoken to the Echo (and they would normally quote him) then it must be a leak from the MJ camp (sorry ron) and the cynic in me says that its a preparation for withdrawal when we hear 'we had backing for 15 mil based on promotion, but teh then Fry changed teh goal posts and we needed 14 mil down which we could not do...Fry' fault etc.... I simply dont believe that the administrator would change goalposts at last minute, that is unprofessional and unlikely...

Do I hope I am wrong - YES, desperate for humble pie and the club to be saved.

 

Frank

 

From what we were told on 7th there have been hitches on an almost hourly basis, I have no doubts that is still the case, and I would guess that the same has happened with Pinnacle who I still hope can get back into the game, but at least they are showing some fighting spirit and thick skins to be still trying.

As for goalposts, yes they do move, simply because the situation is fluid, it has to be, as time moves so things change, when the porcess started we were playing football and had attendances paying ticket money, one big goalpost change was the loss of the Legends game, when it was originally thought up it was hoped the fans would respond. Unfortunately it didn't work out very well as we know, that change of circumstances changed the money that Fry could expect to come in to keep the business running.

Blindfolded rolling downhill on a skateboard trying to hit a moving target, the line used back in the pub on that evening, not an excuse, just a statement of what it seemed to be like

[DaintyDave]

T

As FC has stated elsewhere - there were notions mooted that he had aspirations of an 'active' role at AFCB, and this is the part of the equation that worries me now.

 

MJ may well be a very good facilitator, but I remain unconvinced that he really has the right skills for delivering a successful strategic plan for a professional football club.

 

MJ is wearing his heart on his sleeve and busting a gut to do something to save the club - I only hope that it is done in good faith and he knows when to take a bow and say 'Thank you & good night'.

 

Maybe he can go back to his old job as a club scout heavily involved in the Saints Academy that he revealed (much to the surprise of the club's scouts and academy staff) to Meridian News.

[hypochondriac]

Maybe he can go back to his old job as a club scout heavily involved in the Saints Academy that he revealed (much to the surprise of the club's scouts and academy staff) to Meridian News.

 

Obviously that is silly and a bit annoying but if there is no other way to save the club then he has my full support.

[Running Man]

...So it's stressful and they are worried there is no safety net and has anyone else got any great ideas to help?

Or should I just tell him to forget it in case it goes wrong again when I next catch him online?

 

Perhaps he should save himself the stress, forget it and leave it to Pinnacle?

 

If there is only one bidder, Fry might find it easier to choose and get the deal over and done with.

 

Just a thought.

[Frank's cousin]

one big goalpost change was the loss of the Legends game, when it was originally thought up it was hoped the fans would respond. Unfortunately it didn't work out very well as we know, that change of circumstances changed the money that Fry could expect to come in to keep the business running.

 

But Phil this was at best £20 x 20,000 - cost of puttinmg it on (£75k) - yield £325K at best a normal weeks revenue and not enough for more than two weeks wages...so all it has done is Reduce Fry's timeframe - Its unlikely that this would have changed 9mil to 14 mil within a space of a week...?

[OldNick]

Is this fact or opinion presented as fact?

Only from Fry not givig Pinnalce exclusivity and then the Echo saying Mj was now the leading role.

[OldNick]

Perhaps he should save himself the stress, forget it and leave it to Pinnacle?

 

If there is only one bidder, Fry might find it easier to choose and get the deal over and done with.

 

Just a thought.

Are Pinnacle definitely still there? I got the impression they had not got things sorted.

[Frank's cousin]

My feeling would be that IF Pinnacle were say 2-3 mil short but had about 7 or 8 mil - AND MJ/SG have 8 mil on the table and a further 8 mil subject to the promotions in tehir business plan .....you know where this is going, why not get together and hey presto 16 mil available, buy the whole shebang outright and save the club debt free.... what could possibly stand in teh way of this if they all have saints best interests at heart and all the backers are fully committed?

[OldNick]

My feeling would be that IF Pinnacle were say 2-3 mil short but had about 7 or 8 mil - AND MJ/SG have 8 mil on the table and a further 8 mil subject to the promotions in tehir business plan .....you know where this is going' date=' why not get together and hey presto 16 mil available, buy the whole shebang outright and save the club debt free.... what could possibly stand in teh way of this if they all have saints best interests at heart and all the backers are fully committed?[/quote']A load of people with their egos,have we not been there before?

[Frank's cousin]

My feeling would be that IF Pinnacle were say 2-3 mil short but had about 7 or 8 mil - AND MJ/SG have 8 mil on the table and a further 8 mil subject to the promotions in tehir business plan .....you know where this is going' date=' why not get together and hey presto 16 mil available, buy the whole shebang outright and save the club debt free.... what could possibly stand in teh way of this if they all have saints best interests at heart and all the backers are fully committed?[/quote']

 

A load of people with their egos,have we not been there before?

 

I suspect bioth Pinnacle andMJ group will have beteen 5-8 backers all contributing 1-1.5 mil.... anyway

[Smirking_Saint]

My feeling would be that IF Pinnacle were say 2-3 mil short but had about 7 or 8 mil - AND MJ/SG have 8 mil on the table and a further 8 mil subject to the promotions in tehir business plan .....you know where this is going' date=' why not get together and hey presto 16 mil available, buy the whole shebang outright and save the club debt free.... what could possibly stand in teh way of this if they all have saints best interests at heart and all the backers are fully committed?[/quote']

 

Depends on how many money men there are though surely ???

 

If they were both large(ish) groups backing the idividual bids then surely it will just reduce the amount of SFC they each own after it would all go through ??

 

Plus, who would be on the board etc ??

 

If it is just a small amount (maybe 1 or 2) money men then i expect it's all ego based. Both parties want to appear saviours.

 

Plus, Fry is not going to suggest that as at the moment he can play them off against each other.

Edited 21 May, 2009 by Smirking_Saint
pressed return too soon

[Frank's cousin]

Depends on how many money men there are though surely ???

 

If they were both large(ish) groups backing the idividual bids then surely it will just reduce the amount of SFC they each own after it would all go through ??

 

Plus, who would be on the board etc ??

 

If it is just a small amount (maybe 1 or 2) money men then i expect it's all ego based. Both parties want to appear saviours.

 

Plus, Fry is not going to suggest that as at the moment he can play them off against each other.

 

I would do it this way - If we need 14 mil then 1 share of a total of 10 will cost you 1.4 mil, buy 2 for 2.8 and you get 2 shares etc and two votes - the proviso is that each share owner can nominate one boardmember (with football board exoperience) or themselves (you pay you money you have the choice) as non execs - and then this board employs 3 executive via the normal channels, CEO, Finance, and Operations. Chair is then elected from this board and is given the casting vote.

 

In terms of additional investment - following this purchase the business plan of five years is drawup and it should be based on neutral; return - eg living within L1 revenues - the 10 shares are then in effect p[laced at 50% of tehi value with each share owner or new investor able to do the same again byuy additional shares of now 5% for 1 mil a share - the more you invest the more ownership you have and the quicker these shares are sold (providing 10 mil of money to fund a promotion push or two) the sooner teh businessplan is updated.... simple really.

Edited 21 May, 2009 by Frank's cousin

[DaintyDave]

Yay, close of business, which means............

 

FRIDAY

[dubai_phil]

My feeling would be that IF Pinnacle were say 2-3 mil short but had about 7 or 8 mil - AND MJ/SG have 8 mil on the table and a further 8 mil subject to the promotions in tehir business plan .....you know where this is going' date=' why not get together and hey presto 16 mil available, buy the whole shebang outright and save the club debt free.... what could possibly stand in teh way of this if they all have saints best interests at heart and all the backers are fully committed?[/quote']

 

Completely agree and a totally sound concept

 

IF money was/is the only issue..