Matthew Le God Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Its not, stay in the computer football world and leave the real one to the more intelligent. i) Leon Crouch overspent beyond the clubs means and increased wage bill significantly whilst in charge. ii) He made a promise of £2m with conditions that he knew Lowe and Wilde would never agree to and that he would not have to pay. Wilde, Crouch and Lowe are all to blame. As for your point of intelligence Can you seriously dispute either point i) or ii)?
miserableoldgit Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 We're straying off the topic again, guys I shall have to put on my schoolmistress gown[-X Hmmmmmmm...... "Schoolmistress gown" (in Homer Simpson voice).
saintgert76 Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Fry really is making himself look desperate. He keeps setting these deadlines and then when nothing happens justs sets another. Not surprising nothings been finalised yet, Fry's giving them all the time in the world! I'm sure he has his reasons
dubai_phil Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 The Riddler strikes again.I think I get the drift Phil and hope that it' s 'the universe and beyond' I do hope your teamtalk was not so difficult to work out.!!! The problem is that beyond the aforementioned restaurant is nothing, nicht, nada, coincidentally strange the post above mine also at the exact same moment from another part of the planetary system. Anyway sorry to have interupted your Oh so important argument about whether Lowe Crouch Wilde, Network Rail or Roadworks or the weather or whatever was the biggest cause of our demise that discussion and point scoring is far more imprtant than any news about our predicament
Fan The Flames Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 i) Leon Crouch overspent beyond the clubs means and increased wage bill significantly whilst in charge. ii) He made a promise of £2m with conditions that he knew Lowe and Wilde would never agree to and that he would not have to pay. Wilde, Crouch and Lowe are all to blame. As for your point of intelligence Can you seriously dispute either point i) or ii)? Point 1 has been debated on here enough and you either were not listening or you have choosen not to listen, otherwise you would know that Crouch was not the major (as you put it) contributer to our financial situation. Go back and read the threads instead of trying to bring it all up again. He agreed to match Lowe and Wilde in a loan to the club, **** me hang the man. If you're so bright how has this contributed to our current situation.
Ed Rooney Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Fry really is making himself look desperate. He keeps setting these deadlines and then when nothing happens justs sets another. Not surprising nothings been finalised yet, Fry's giving them all the time in the world! We are desperate
The9 Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 I presume you are referring to the 7m+ spent under Burley during the summer of 2006? You know, 2m for Rasiak, 1.6m for Rudi, 1m each for Viafara, Kelvin, and Pele and around 1m for BWP and Idiakez combined? I mean these are the usual referrences to the wasted 7m, so if not these then please point out which 7m you are referring to. If they are these then you are well wide of the mark in your post. Firstly, Lowe signed Rasiak (on 2nd May 2006). Secondly, Wilde was chairman of the football club when all the others were signed. I believe that the ONLY player ever signed by Saints whilst Leon was chairman of the football board was Saga (on a permanent basis, after he had prolific during his loan spell). I don't recall ANYONE complaining about us signing Saga at the time. Ooh look, some facts rather than conjecture (or FACT!!!s) - what a novel way to conduct a discussion. :smt041 Its getting to the point now where I'm starting to think everyone's location on this Forum should state their "Blame Quotient" (BQ) and who they think is most responsible for the current predicament, just to save the arguments. We could also then round up all of the different matters and how people feel about them into a questionnaire to be completed and appended to their user information, which would save all of us regurgitating the same arguments over and over and over again. If I get a spare few minutes (years?) I'll put one together, it'll probably be chronological from 1996 barring maybe a few Branfoot questions and some Lawrie Mac background and will say things like 1) Rupert Lowe is evil (Y/N) [if Y go to Q3, N go to Q2] 2) Rupert Lowe is a posh git who doesn't know anything about football and nothing he does could ever be right (Y/N) 3) I believe in Class War (Y/N) through 133) Lowe should have persisted with Sturrock (Y/N) onto 795) I believe the Rasiak loan to buy deal was completed in January '06 under Lowe (Y/N) and finally 3424) I believe someone will buy us and we won't cease to exist whilst still squabbling like a bunch of kids (me included) about stuff that really isn't relevant any more. (Y/N) From that we can probably assign points and create one of those charts which shows your Saints Political Orientation. It won't save the club but it'll save some bandwidth.
miserableoldgit Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 i) Leon Crouch overspent beyond the clubs means and increased wage bill significantly whilst in charge. ii) He made a promise of £2m with conditions that he knew Lowe and Wilde would never agree to and that he would not have to pay. Wilde, Crouch and Lowe are all to blame. As for your point of intelligence Can you seriously dispute either point i) or ii)? Have you read this;- I presume you are referring to the 7m+ spent under Burley during the summer of 2006? You know, 2m for Rasiak, 1.6m for Rudi, 1m each for Viafara, Kelvin, and Pele and around 1m for BWP and Idiakez combined? I mean these are the usual referrences to the wasted 7m, so if not these then please point out which 7m you are referring to. If they are these then you are well wide of the mark in your post. Firstly, Lowe signed Rasiak (on 2nd May 2006). Secondly, Wilde was chairman of the football club when all the others were signed. I believe that the ONLY player ever signed by Saints whilst Leon was chairman of the football board was Saga (on a permanent basis, after he had prolific during his loan spell). I don't recall ANYONE complaining about us signing Saga at the time
Weston Saint Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 The problem is that beyond the aforementioned restaurant is nothing, nicht, nada, coincidentally strange the post above mine also at the exact same moment from another part of the planetary system. Anyway sorry to have interupted your Oh so important argument about whether Lowe Crouch Wilde, Network Rail or Roadworks or the weather or whatever was the biggest cause of our demise that discussion and point scoring is far more imprtant than any news about our predicamentMaybe it is the Sandman. Just wish he could sprinkle some of his special dust and make all our dreams good ones.
Frank's cousin Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Have you read this;- I presume you are referring to the 7m+ spent under Burley during the summer of 2006? You know, 2m for Rasiak, 1.6m for Rudi, 1m each for Viafara, Kelvin, and Pele and around 1m for BWP and Idiakez combined? I mean these are the usual referrences to the wasted 7m, so if not these then please point out which 7m you are referring to. If they are these then you are well wide of the mark in your post. Firstly, Lowe signed Rasiak (on 2nd May 2006). Secondly, Wilde was chairman of the football club when all the others were signed. I believe that the ONLY player ever signed by Saints whilst Leon was chairman of the football board was Saga (on a permanent basis, after he had prolific during his loan spell). I don't recall ANYONE complaining about us signing Saga at the time My only question would be do you think as Chairman of the FC he could not have said to teh PLC board - stop! we cant afford these unless wilde stumps up the investors he promised? because these recommendation must have come through the football board from Burley?...and I cant believe Crouch was not privvy to the financial situation?
Matthew Le God Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 He agreed to match Lowe and Wilde in a loan to the club, **** me hang the man. On the condition that they pay 2m and resign with no compensation. Hardly an inviting proposal. Leon Crouch knew they would never accept. His 2m would be safe in his pocket and he could live of the claim that he offered 2 million until he was exposed for making an empty promise he had no intention of ever following through by the Echo.
hypochondriac Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 On the condition that they pay 2m and resign with no compensation. Hardly an inviting proposal. Leon Crouch knew they would never accept. His 2m would be safe in his pocket and he could live of the claim that he offered 2 million until he was exposed for making an empty promise he had no intention of ever following through by the Echo. Erm no. In the Echo he said he would put in 2 million on his own if he was allowed control of the club.
Frank's cousin Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Have we still got a club? Anyone know? NOt sure, think so, as Leon has personally pumped in some cash to keep the bailifs at bay for another week or so, whilst the negotiations with whoever are still/maybe/notsure ongoing
Fan The Flames Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 On the condition that they pay 2m and resign with no compensation. Hardly an inviting proposal. Leon Crouch knew they would never accept. His 2m would be safe in his pocket and he could live of the claim that he offered 2 million until he was exposed for making an empty promise he had no intention of ever following through by the Echo. How was Crouch exposed by the Echo and how has this contributed to where we are now. Stick with the pixel football.
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Have we still got a club? Anyone know? certainly isn't looking good!
70's Mike Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 i) Leon Crouch overspent beyond the clubs means and increased wage bill significantly whilst in charge. ii) He made a promise of £2m with conditions that he knew Lowe and Wilde would never agree to and that he would not have to pay. Wilde, Crouch and Lowe are all to blame. As for your point of intelligence Can you seriously dispute either point i) or ii)? Would dispute 1)
OldNick Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Have we still got a club? Anyone know?I think you may well look back at the good old days when you could critcise everything KD did and still hope there would be another game the following week to do the same .The little scraps I am hearing and they are miniscule are not good. Only an impression but perhaps Fry has tried to be too clever and now he is at the end game with no cards
saintalan Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Somebody might want to start a new thread http://saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=11766
saintjay77 Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Kin'ell this place has turned into the usual old war of words about matters that have been and gone again! Facts are they all made mistakes, some more than others but all shoulder some blame for the mess we are in. Facts now is Crouch is the only one who has stuck around trying to keep us afloat till we are bought. Doesnt matter if its a loan or gift or whatever. Without it we would be even more screwed! I wish someone would grab Lowe and Wilde by the balls and make them come and shoulder there portion of the club! Can we stop arguing about Lowe and Crouch now please?
Foxstone Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Point 1 has been debated on here enough and you either were not listening or you have choosen not to listen, otherwise you would know that Crouch was not the major (as you put it) contributer to our financial situation. Go back and read the threads instead of trying to bring it all up again. He agreed to match Lowe and Wilde in a loan to the club, **** me hang the man. If you're so bright how has this contributed to our current situation. Concerned by the final paragraphs of this echo article.. Timing suggests that Leon was the non-executive mentioned alongside Trant ! http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/untoldstories/4368366.Were_execs_right_all_along_/
TNT Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Concerned by the final paragraphs of this echo article.. Timing suggests that Leon was the non-executive mentioned alongside Trant ! http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/untoldstories/4368366.Were_execs_right_all_along_/ What a load of old bullshine from top to bottom.
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 On the condition that they pay 2m and resign with no compensation. Hardly an inviting proposal. Leon Crouch knew they would never accept. His 2m would be safe in his pocket and he could live of the claim that he offered 2 million until he was exposed for making an empty promise he had no intention of ever following through by the Echo. Did you not think that both cretins (Lowe & Wilde) knew about the financial mess the club was in and that in no time at all, the PLC would go into administration and they would lose the value of all their shares? Had they invested into the club (something I know they do not comprehend, after all a football club is for taking from right? Not putting into, thats absurd) we would have staved off administration and potentially come out of it smiling. While I agree it could have just delayed the inevitable and Lowe & Wilde would have eventually lost the value of their shares and the £2m, they were not prepared to try, and rather loved sitting on their perches pretending to be gods. Cutting your nose of to spite your face perfectly sums it up IMO. Crouch is the only one to have put his hands in his pockets and I think most intelligent fans appreciate this and applaud the man.
TNT Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 On the condition that they pay 2m and resign with no compensation. Hardly an inviting proposal. Leon Crouch knew they would never accept. His 2m would be safe in his pocket and he could live of the claim that he offered 2 million until he was exposed for making an empty promise he had no intention of ever following through by the Echo. What total garbage.
martel Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 certainly isn't looking good! Well I am going to stick my attachments on the chopping block now, I reckon we will have a deal before FRIDAY; no sauce, no evidence what so ever, just good old fashioned gut feeling; I think that their is just a few legal issues to sort out and the Pinnacle deal will be concluded, I just pray I am right for all of us.
Foxstone Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 What a load of old bullshine from top to bottom. Not saying its not bullshine but equally ( unlike you) I'm not saying its not true either.. Unless you have evidence that counter-acts this Echo Article ! Its certainly enough to raise a pertinent question....
dubai_phil Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Looks like it is off to the Boudoir tonight Champagne instead of Bullfrogs I am fed up of Bullfrogs at the Rock Bottom cafe
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Looks like it is off to the Boudoir tonight Champagne instead of Bullfrogs I am fed up of Bullfrogs at the Rock Bottom cafe AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! as Alan Partridge would say.....I think!
OldNick Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Looks like it is off to the Boudoir tonight Champagne instead of Bullfrogs I am fed up of Bullfrogs at the Rock Bottom cafe celebrating your forum match victory is going on a bit long
dubai_phil Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 celebrating your forum match victory is going on a bit long Well once you prove yourself as a winner you seem to go on a roll and things keep rocking
OldNick Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Well once you prove yourself as a winner you seem to go on a roll and things keep rocking i do hope that if we get taken over you can provide the match officials. We will be unbeatable, no off side decisions against us, players on and off to suit the moment.
TNT Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Not saying its not bullshine but equally ( unlike you) I'm not saying its not true either.. Unless you have evidence that counter-acts this Echo Article ! Its certainly enough to raise a pertinent question.... What a 'Source' dont be daft. The Echo has printed untold rubbish via the hands of PR company merchants. Especially when it comes to Wildes hijacking execs.
dubai_phil Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 i do hope that if we get taken over you can provide the match officials. We will be unbeatable, no off side decisions against us, players on and off to suit the moment. As I said before, it's not the taking part it is that moment when you are staring into the abyss of a hopeless defeat and from somewhere down inside comes that survival instinct to win at all costs. the result's in the book - ask Maradona.... Meanwhile I have a beer to pour
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 celebrating your forum match victory is going on a bit long To be fair Nick, all the history books will show is a victory!! Your complaints will be stricken from the record lol!
Foxstone Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 What a 'Source' dont be daft. The Echo has printed untold rubbish via the hands of PR company merchants. Especially when it comes to Wildes hijacking execs. So does that also render Leon's appearances in the Echo ( IE: Like this mornings article) equally unreliable ?
OldNick Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 As I said before, it's not the taking part it is that moment when you are staring into the abyss of a hopeless defeat and from somewhere down inside comes that survival instinct to win at all costs. the result's in the book - ask Maradona.... Meanwhile I have a beer to pour Thankfully I can join in the spoils. Many on here think Im a proper no2 perhaps you can consider me. Pah beer I thought you were a champagne moment type of man!
OldNick Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Woot! I think my numbers finally come in...you havent got a date with MB have you?
dubai_phil Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Thankfully I can join in the spoils. Many on here think Im a proper no2 perhaps you can consider me. Pah beer I thought you were a champagne moment type of man! The Boudoir with it's free champoo night doesn't Open until 11pm that's HOURS away yet...... A nice Leffe Bruin right now though
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 The Boudoir with it's free champoo night doesn't Open until 11pm that's HOURS away yet...... A nice Leffe Bruin right now though Is that the horrible white beer??????
dubai_phil Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Is that the horrible white beer?????? Nope the somewhat sweet but Dark beer.... Same strength as a bottle of Leibfraumilch but over here a fraction of the price.
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Nope the somewhat sweet but Dark beer.... Same strength as a bottle of Leibfraumilch but over here a fraction of the price. Ah yes! I think it will be Guinness for me, after the **** sales day I have just had!!
OldNick Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Nope the somewhat sweet but Dark beer.... Same strength as a bottle of Leibfraumilch but over here a fraction of the price. As if you'd know what Liebfraumilch would be like.Quaffing champers all day long. I do hope we have a club for another forum match so I can be treated to a glass
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 As if you'd know what Liebfraumilch would be like.Quaffing champers all day long. I do hope we have a club for another forum match so I can be treated to a glass I will be 40 next year amy groin strain has almost gone!! i fancy a run out!!
hypochondriac Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 you havent got a date with MB have you? Well he informed me earlier he was naked via PM
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 Well he informed me earlier he was naked via PM Now that isn't a pretty thought!
miserableoldgit Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 I will be 40 next year amy groin strain has almost gone!! i fancy a run out!! I used to go to school with her!
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 I used to go to school with her! Ah, yes, I remember her well!!
Mowgli Posted 19 May, 2009 Posted 19 May, 2009 i) Leon Crouch overspent beyond the clubs means and increased wage bill significantly whilst in charge. ii) He made a promise of £2m with conditions that he knew Lowe and Wilde would never agree to and that he would not have to pay. Wilde, Crouch and Lowe are all to blame. As for your point of intelligence Can you seriously dispute either point i) or ii)? Rupert Lowe tried to get us to work within our means Crouch took a gamble to get us back to the promised land. Wilde was a true fan who tried to do his bit but was poorly advised They all gave their best under difficult circumstances and have each have more business acumen than all of us put together. We need to move on!
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