Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 Ok, Say we don't obtain a buyer for the club, the club is disbanded and sold off bit by bit, the council or someone else buys the stadium, could someone (for instance the Saints Trust) buy the brand/copyright for Southampton Football Club and put the name to a new club. How much do you think this would cost? Could rent the stadium for a small rate as we'd be in the Isthmian or whatever league. What kind of crowds do you think we could get?
Burger Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 If a team named Southampton playing in Southampton in Red & White stripes.....I think you'll be surprised just how many people would still go.....it is a ritual.....and if the team starts winning.......
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 18 May, 2009 Author Posted 18 May, 2009 If a team named Southampton playing in Southampton in Red & White stripes.....I think you'll be surprised just how many people would still go.....it is a ritual.....and if the team starts winning....... I'd be there. We could have huge attendances for that league.
70's Mike Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 We could walk that league where have i heard that before
Nineteen Canteen Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 Me too - and fan-owned as well! And follow the example of Ebbsfleet Utd? No thanks but have a look at their 'support the fleet' pages via the attached link. Hideously familiar. http://www.ebbsfleetunited.co.uk/
Katalinic Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 And follow the example of Ebbsfleet Utd? No thanks but have a look at their 'support the fleet' pages via the attached link. Hideously familiar. http://www.ebbsfleetunited.co.uk/ No but we could follow the example of Exeter City - fan owned club and a real success story, you should take the trouble to find out about it some time.
lee_saint Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 I would be there, as I said in another thread, if we get kicked out of the league then we can be in the Blue Square if we sort out a ground etc.
gonzo Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 I would be there, as I said in another thread, if we get kicked out of the league then we can be in the Blue Square if we sort out a ground etc. We would be very unlikely to start as high as the Blue Square leagues. It's taken AFC Wimbledon a few years to get there.
lee_saint Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 We would be very unlikely to start as high as the Blue Square leagues. It's taken AFC Wimbledon a few years to get there. That's what I thought, but the Blue Square chairman has said that he's been contacted about taking a Southampton team of some sort.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 Football stadia are a bit like a car factory - they are only profitable when they're working at maximum capacity . St Marys can only ever be a going concern when it has 20-30k fans inside , a non league club with 3k hard core fans rattling around would be a financial (& footballing) nonsense . St Marys will never see the Blue Star Premier League ...etc - It'll be knocked down and redeveloped if it came to that .
Nineteen Canteen Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 I'd be there. We could have huge attendances for that league. Dropping down 1 league has resulted in a conservative drop in average crowd numbers of 30%. Dropping 7 leagues? (Um Pahars will tell us how many) would extrapolated give an average crowd of 2,590 in the Premier Southern league. Close the stands - open the corners?
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 18 May, 2009 Author Posted 18 May, 2009 Football stadia are a bit like a car factory - they are only profitable when they're working at maximum capacity . St Marys can only ever be a going concern when it has 20-30k fans inside , a non league club with 3k hard core fans rattling around would be a financial (& footballing) nonsense . St Marys will never see the Blue Star Premier League ...etc - It'll be knocked down and redeveloped if it came to that . No it wouldn't, the stadium would likely be used for concerts etc, maybe even rugby as the top priorities, with the football as an aside.
StuRomseySaint Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 Because the football club is not in administration, the could it still trade if the council bought the stadium? Meaning that Southampton FC Ltd could continue in it's current form in the same division? OK, all assets would be sold off, but if the council bought the stadium then someone could set it back up for peanuts? There might well be a loophole there? Clutching at straws maybe, but the end of Southampton Leisure Holdings does not automatically mean the end for Southampton FC Ltd?
lee_saint Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 Because the football club is not in administration, the could it still trade if the council bought the stadium? Meaning that Southampton FC Ltd could continue in it's current form in the same division? OK, all assets would be sold off, but if the council bought the stadium then someone could set it back up for peanuts? There might well be a loophole there? Clutching at straws maybe, but the end of Southampton Leisure Holdings does not automatically mean the end for Southampton FC Ltd? Not too sure Stu, I would assume it's been looked at. Although, Oxford away if we were in BSP would be a nasty one!
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 18 May, 2009 Author Posted 18 May, 2009 Dropping down 1 league has resulted in a conservative drop in average crowd numbers of 30%. Dropping 7 leagues? (Um Pahars will tell us how many) would extrapolated give an average crowd of 2,590 in the Premier Southern league. Close the stands - open the corners? Still be pretty good.
StuRomseySaint Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 Not too sure Stu, I would assume it's been looked at. Although, Oxford away if we were in BSP would be a nasty one! Would rather be in the Blue Square South to start with... Havant, Eastleigh and Basingstoke - Pwopppa nawty.
lee_saint Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 Would rather be in the Blue Square South to start with... Havant, Eastleigh and Basingstoke - Pwopppa nawty. Basingstoke would be lovely.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 No it wouldn't, the stadium would likely be used for concerts etc, maybe even rugby as the top priorities, with the football as an aside. Just consider how badly designed football stadia are for events like concerts etc - the very shape (an oval) is fundamentally all wrong , and that's before we start thinking about poor acoustics or the lack of a roof in our notoriously unpredictable weather . The prospect of St Marys surviving without a significant football club is remote in the extreme IMO . Once the recession ends there would be better uses for this valuable land surely , but let's hope it doesn't come to that bitter end .
so22saint Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 Ok, Say we don't obtain a buyer for the club, the club is disbanded and sold off bit by bit, the council or someone else buys the stadium, could someone (for instance the Saints Trust) buy the brand/copyright for Southampton Football Club and put the name to a new club. How much do you think this would cost? Could rent the stadium for a small rate as we'd be in the Isthmian or whatever league. What kind of crowds do you think we could get? That would be cool as I could follow Saints on a website built (in part) by my own fair hands: http://rymanleague.goalrun.com/
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 18 May, 2009 Author Posted 18 May, 2009 Just consider how badly designed football stadia are for events like concerts etc - the very shape (an oval) is fundamentally all wrong , and that's before we start thinking about poor acoustics or the lack of a roof in our notoriously unpredictable weather . The prospect of St Marys surviving without a significant football club is remote in the extreme IMO . Once the recession ends there would be better uses for this valuable land surely , but let's hope it doesn't come to that bitter end . But what better uses is the point. And what are they allowed to build on there due to contaminated land and the council's setting out of areas. I'd say pretty much f'all. Definitely not housing for instance.
derry Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 All the debt is with the football club so it would be wound up, leaving Aviva to repossess the stadium and Staplewood and Jacksons farm sold off.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 But what better uses is the point. And what are they allowed to build on there due to contaminated land and the council's setting out of areas. I'd say pretty much f'all. Definitely not housing for instance. Contaminated land can be cleaned up at a price (I live in Poole where a large housing development is being build on an old gas works site) and current planning use is not exactly set in stone either . I can see the redevelopment potential of the area if you could acquire the cement works as well as St Marys , being a waterside area you could really make something special of it with a lot of cash and some imagination . Please understand I don't actually want this to happen (far from it) but it could well offer a better return to Aviva Investments than seeing a non league club trying to exist within an embarrassingly oversized stadium that it could never even come close to filling .
docker-p Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 We don't have to wait until the club goes tits up before fan ownership. If we formed a company tomorrow and issued 5,000 shares at £1,000 each we could out bid Pinnacle, the city council (ie the good folk of the city) could own the stadium, and we future would be bright.
Sheff Saint Posted 18 May, 2009 Posted 18 May, 2009 We would be very unlikely to start as high as the Blue Square leagues. It's taken AFC Wimbledon a few years to get there. AFC Wimbledon are a new club. Wimbledon never went bust, they 'just' moved up the road and changed their name. A re-formed Southampton could still be Southampton. If the council owned the ground it would be in most people's interest for us to start quite high up. I hope this is on someone's radar somewhere, just in case the worse happens... Still hope it won'tl. No news is good news.
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