Pinnacle & MLT

[Supersubpuckett]

Getting MLT on board makes business sense. Even as a lifelong saints fan I would want the public approval of someone like him to lead my bid - bit like using Beckham in our bid for the 2018 world cup.

 

Given his passion for the club I'm sure he wouldn't want to associate himself with a poor consortium.

 

Lets have a bit of faith for once.

[Leicestersaint]

I am with Matt - you can argue he is the main positive thing about Saints.:smt038

[Give it to Ron]

We will be poor for years to come, and only 25000-30000 gate would give us any kind of advantage over teh rest in L1 - which will naturally happen as Lowe has gone and the crowds will come flooding back...no?

 

Did we not have near gates of 25k since he left...just cant accept the fact your idol has gone can you......balance fence sitter my ars8 you had no need to mention him but do so at every opportunity.

[EFM]

I understand what Docker is saying and he makes a valid point.

But as we dont know exactly whats what at the moment,im just hoping MLT knows enough about them to give his backing.

Hopefully we will find out on Monday(though which Monday is anyones guess).

 

I think the one thing we can be confident of is that Matt wouldn't back any bid he wasn't convinced was in the best interests of the club.

 

I disagree with docker-p too in that MLT is the very man, probably the only man, who would by his presence in any capacity bring a "feelgood factor" back (and totally unite the fans again.) Even if it doesn't work out as we all hope surely no-one in their right mind would turn against Le Tiss?

[Mole]

I think the one thing we can be confident of is that Matt wouldn't back any bid he wasn't convinced was in the best interests of the club.

 

I disagree with docker-p too in that MLT is the very man, probably the only man, who would by his presence in any capacity bring a "feelgood factor" back (and totally unite the fans again.) Even if it doesn't work out as we all hope surely no-one in their right mind would turn against Le Tiss?

 

Possibly Sundance Beast aka nineteen canteen would, but aside from him i can't see anyone else slagging MLT off.

[docker-p]

I think the one thing we can be confident of is that Matt wouldn't back any bid he wasn't convinced was in the best interests of the club.

 

I disagree with docker-p too in that MLT is the very man, probably the only man, who would by his presence in any capacity bring a "feelgood factor" back (and totally unite the fans again.) Even if it doesn't work out as we all hope surely no-one in their right mind would turn against Le Tiss?

 

I'm not saying its not a good thing MLT is involved once a takeover is complete. Far from it, i think he would be an ideal person to have around the club in any capacity.

What i'm questioning is the motivation of a consortium in getting MLT on board before they have sorted the money out.

It smacks of window dressing.

[saint_ed]

I'm not saying its not a good thing MLT is involved once a takeover is complete. Far from it, i think he would be an ideal person to have around the club in any capacity.

What i'm questioning is the motivation of a consortium in getting MLT on board before they have sorted the money out.

It smacks of window dressing.

 

Precisely what I suggested the day it went public that he was involved.

[EFM]

I'm not saying its not a good thing MLT is involved once a takeover is complete. Far from it, i think he would be an ideal person to have around the club in any capacity.

What i'm questioning is the motivation of a consortium in getting MLT on board before they have sorted the money out.

It smacks of window dressing.

 

Oh right, I see what you mean. He may not be the greatest businessman in the world but he is a smart guy though and I'm (wildly) guessing that he wouldn't naively get on board without knowing a lot more than we do.

 

Basically I think all our nerves are frayed, our fingernails gone and my eyesight is bxggered from having to read every post on this forum every day at the moment! In Le God we trust (I hope). It's the godamn hope that can kill you with Saints though :-(

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I'm not saying its not a good thing MLT is involved once a takeover is complete. Far from it, i think he would be an ideal person to have around the club in any capacity.

What i'm questioning is the motivation of a consortium in getting MLT on board before they have sorted the money out.

It smacks of window dressing.

 

No offence docker, I think you are barking slightly up the wrong tree.

For understandable reasons I think Pinnacle came late to the table hence them now playing an element of catchup over the last fortnight.

I don't think MLT will be "window dressing" - I think he will have a pivotal role.

 

I think the money is sorted out perse but some unexpected legal issues arose on Friday which need ironing out over the weekend.

 

Fingers crossed, but from what snippets I have been told (and deduced for myself) I reckon the Pinnacle interest to ultimately be the most beneficial to the club.

[lancelot link]

No offence docker, I think you are barking slightly up the wrong tree.

For understandable reasons I think Pinnacle came late to the table hence them now playing an element of catchup over the last fortnight.

I don't think MLT will be "window dressing" - I think he will have a pivotal role.

 

I think the money is sorted out perse but some unexpected legal issues arose on Friday which need ironing out over the weekend.

 

Fingers crossed, but from what snippets I have been told (and deduced for myself) I reckon the Pinnacle interest to ultimately be the most beneficial to the club.

 

Ditto all of that. I understand that when push came to shove - the consortium changed in numbers (only 1 main bloke with someone else as a part shareholder), and legal eagles needed to reside over their agreements etc..... lets take on step back here, if it were that easy to do this deal, someone would have by now. My moneys on MLT/Pinnacle

[eelpie]

No offence docker, I think you are barking slightly up the wrong tree.

For understandable reasons I think Pinnacle came late to the table hence them now playing an element of catchup over the last fortnight.

I don't think MLT will be "window dressing" - I think he will have a pivotal role.

 

I think the money is sorted out perse but some unexpected legal issues arose on Friday which need ironing out over the weekend.

 

Fingers crossed, but from what snippets I have been told (and deduced for myself) I reckon the Pinnacle interest to ultimately be the most beneficial to the club.

 

Are the 'obstacles' to do with the purchase or leasing of the ground, Duncan?

[Badger]

No offence docker, I think you are barking slightly up the wrong tree.

 

Fingers crossed, but from what snippets I have been told (and deduced for myself) I reckon the Pinnacle interest to ultimately be the most beneficial to the club.

 

I can share some of docker's concerns about this at the moment ie Pinnacle fronting a bid from unknown buyers,Pinnacle themselves largely unknown.But if FF and Weston who seem to have a closer and more reliable ear to the ground than most,are able to give us some 'assurances' - as best they can - on it then thats good enough for me at the moment.

 

Only when facts are known will we be able to make a better assessment.

[thorpie the sinner]

so are we expecting someone to stump up £500k tomorrow to take developments further! Once the bills are paid, it theoretically gives the new owner another month to finalise deal!! Only thing is they don't get their £500k back if they pull!! Catch 22, worrying!

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Are the 'obstacles' to do with the purchase or leasing of the ground, Duncan?

 

I don't think that has anything to do with it eelpie.

[gary r]

would anybody pay 500k with no guarantee that you will succeed in buying the club, if it was me i would certainly give it some thought

[dubai_phil]

would anybody pay 500k with no guarantee that you will succeed in buying the club, if it was me i would certainly give it some thought

 

Which brings us a full circle

 

A while ago there was a thread considering IF Fry had perhaps taken too long.

 

While he has to push for the best deal, it has reached the point where the club needs the cash and the bidders need guarantees. So, did he make an error, did he think the legends match would solve his problem of wages. IO have no idea but it could be the fact

 

The posters on that thread got some stick but in principle the fact is that there is not the time to do due dilligence of their own before SFC cannot pay the wages which means the PFA step in, we have to admin SFC and if we are then bought we get a further 15 points

 

It is a problem that has no doubt kept many people in meetings all weekend

 

If you want the club, get your cheque book out NOW is the real truth I expect and I also expect everyone's lawyers are telling them how stupid that could be

 

Not easy

[gary r]

but on the other hand if you do pay it , this would surely put you in a strong position, and show fry that your the ones to go with.

[hypochondriac]

but on the other hand if you do pay it , this would surely put you in a strong position, and show fry that your the ones to go with.

 

Would you take the risk if it was you money?

[SFC Forever]

If the club is bought then whoever the buyer may be will know that bills need to be paid.The wage bill being the first and most important item at present. I would imagine that this bill could well be the stumbling block. if they pay the bill will it be included in the price being paid. IE would the half million be part of the original price?

The sooner the deal is struck the sooner the ST's can be readied for sale.

[dubai_phil]

Would you take the risk if it was you money?

 

Head Nail

 

Fans probably would, but wealthy businessmen with armies of lawyers????

[brmbrm]

Pinnacles tapping up of MLT bothers me.

If you were a consortium with all the money you needed you would be concentrating on getting the deal done, and worry about figure heads like MLT later.....

 

 

In what sense is the Pinnacle bid WITHOUT MLT better than exactly the same bid WITH MLT?

 

Even if MLT brings some goodwill, its better than nothing.

[docker-p]

In what sense is the Pinnacle bid WITHOUT MLT better than exactly the same bid WITH MLT?

 

Even if MLT brings some goodwill, its better than nothing.

 

You miss the point. It's about priorities. A Pinnacle consortium appears to have prioritised PR activity over fiscal or administrative activity. And thats what bothers and sets alarm bells ringing when any organisation does it.

[benjii]

You miss the point. It's about priorities. A Pinnacle consortium appears to have prioritised PR activity over fiscal or administrative activity. And thats what bothers and sets alarm bells ringing when any organisation does it.

 

I know what point you are making but unless you have some inside info then I think this is a bit unfair. It's the very nature of the beast that we know what, if any, PR they've undertaken (that's the point of PR!) but we don't have a clue what's been going on behind the scenes.

[Mole]

I'm baffled as to the insuation that Pinnacle have been engaging in spin. So far they haven't come close to acting like lifelongsaint did before and none of the usual ITK gang have been nudging and winking. They apparently have MLT on board and that's about it. Everything else is pure speculation from people who haven't got a clue what's going on.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Possibly Sundance Beast aka nineteen canteen would, but aside from him i can't see anyone else slagging MLT off.

 

With reverence comes responsibility.

 

I have already been very critical of an interview Solent held with MLT around the time of the points deduction where he seemed to be sucked into the blame game. He needs to rise above that and avoid taking sides based on historical battles and concentrate on the future harmony and stability of a recently once great club and well run but ruined by false promises and a section of unrealistic fans who at times have been ridiculously bigoted in their views.

 

Matt has his work cut out but play a true role of the ambassador and he could become a legend twiceover. He can start by not following the path laid down by other apparently self-elected ambassadors and voices of the people.

 

In any event, nobody no matter how great can't simply rely on their past reputations and certainly not when it involves a significant change in responsibility. If successful this is a far greater escape to pull off than those MLT helped the club achieve in his playing days and he needs to look beyond Saints and maybe even football to help him achieve his aim this time.

 

Reputations are easily tarnished, fairly or otherwise and there are lessons to be learned all around us. I'm hopeful Matt will heed those lessons.

Edited 17 May, 2009 by Nineteen Canteen
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[hypochondriac]

With reverence comes responsibility.

 

I have already been very critical of an interview Solent held with MLT around the time of the points deduction where he seemed to be sucked into the blame game. He needs to rise above that and avoid taking sides based on historical battles and concentrate on the future harmony and stability of a recently once great club and well run but ruined by false promises and a section of unrealistic fans who at times have been ridiculously bigoted in their views.

 

Matt has his work cut out but play a true role of the ambassador and he could become a legend twiceover. He can start by not following the path laid down by other apparently self-elected ambassadors and voices of the people.

 

In any event, nobody no matter how great can simply rely on their past reputations and certainly not when it involves a significant change in responsibility. If successful this is a far greater escape to pull off than those MLT helped the club achieve in his playing days and he needs to look beyond Saints and maybe even football to help him achieve his aim this time.

Reputations are easily tarnished, fairly or otherwise and there are lessons to be learned all around us. I'm hopeful Matt will heed those lessons.

 

Matt can do anything he likes as far as I'm concerned. He will always be a legend and to suggest otherwise is disgraceful.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Matt can do anything he likes as far as I'm concerned. He will always be a legend and to suggest otherwise is disgraceful.

 

Matt can do anything he likes? If you want a club to support in the seasons to come then I would suggest he can't do what he likes. He will need to make or support decisions with the consortium that may need some selling to fans of your simplistic pov.

 

I note you don't comment on the fact that i said if Matt pulls this off he could be a legend twiceover. Its disgraceful and worrying that you appear to have learned nothing from this mess. Worrying because I suspect there will be others backing their horse based solely on name. I want the best deal for the club with or without MLT.

[shurlock]

Matt can do anything he likes as far as I'm concerned. He will always be a legend and to suggest otherwise is disgraceful.

 

Spot-on and his status only increases with time.

[Saint in Paradise]

I feel ashamed to say this but for once I totally agree with that above post by 19 C :smt105

[hypochondriac]

Matt's reputation will never be tarnished. I will always trust everything he does RE because I know he will always have its best interests at heart. How many other people can we honestly say that about? Not a single person I can think of apart from Ted Bates (RIP). That's why he can do no wrong in my eyes.

[shurlock]

Worrying because I suspect there will be others backing their horse based solely on name. I want the best deal for the club with or without MLT.

 

Give MLT the benefit of the doubt. To date, he's resisted management -despite calls to the contrary- because he's modest/wise/sceptical enough (mistakenly interpreted by some as a lack of ambition) to realise that good footballers dont make good managers. By the same token, I dont think he would hastilly throw himself into supporting a business plan without good reason.

[um pahars]

He can start by not following the path laid down by other apparently self-elected ambassadors and voices of the people.

 

I would sugest that Matty is strong enough to formulate and espouse his own opinion. He certainly hasn't taken any sides, just been honest about where he feels the mistakes have been made.

 

Then again I shouldn't be too surprised that your trolling needs a new target figure to rally behind, so I guess Matty will be in your cross hairs to provide future game on here.

 

Just imagine a player of his quality playing his trade for Andover.

 

Just what did happen to Scooby???

[thorpie the sinner]

All I really care about is whether they are prepared to put their money where their mouth is!! Today!!

[Frank's cousin]

Did we not have near gates of 25k since he left...just cant accept the fact your idol has gone can you......balance fence sitter my ars8 you had no need to mention him but do so at every opportunity.

 

LOL... you just dont get it do you... there is a big difference between being a lowe supporter and yet acknowledging independently that his influence on the gate as many shouted about is far less significant than the impact of CCC or L1 football and poor results - Lowes actions may have been a big factor in the poor results - but you are kidding yourself if you think that now he is gone fans will 'return in droves' - lets not forget shall we that teh biggest crowd of the season was whilst Lowe was here - the opposition being a bigger draw that folks hatred of that particular satan....

[Give it to Ron]

LOL... you just dont get it do you... there is a big difference between being a lowe supporter and yet acknowledging independently that his influence on the gate as many shouted about is far less significant than the impact of CCC or L1 football and poor results - Lowes actions may have been a big factor in the poor results - but you are kidding yourself if you think that now he is gone fans will 'return in droves' - lets not forget shall we that teh biggest crowd of the season was whilst Lowe was here - the opposition being a bigger draw that folks hatred of that particular satan....

 

You just dont get the fact that not everyone sees him as satan...there are many of us who can see him for what he is and judge by his results - 2 relegations and administration.

Loaning out 3 strikers and employing a team of 4 Dutch jokers only may have been a factor in lower crowds and results!

Many of us think Wilde was as responsible if not more but the bit in bold cracks me up!

He's not the Messiah he is a naughty boy!

You keep peddling the shocking fact that we sold out for the Man U game....amazing that Southampton and surrounding area is full of plastics!

No-one is saying that the 9k extra attendance all returned due to Lowe going but even you cannot ignore the fact that there was more in the ground when he had gone and more harmony and all in it together than when old rosey cheeks was here.

[Frank's cousin]

You just dont get the fact that not everyone sees him as satan...there are many of us who can see him for what he is and judge by his results - 2 relegations and administration.

Loaning out 3 strikers and employing a team of 4 Dutch jokers only may have been a factor in lower crowds and results!

Many of us think Wilde was as responsible if not more but the bit in bold cracks me up!

He's not the Messiah he is a naughty boy!

You keep peddling the shocking fact that we sold out for the Man U game....amazing that Southampton and surrounding area is full of plastics!

No-one is saying that the 9k extra attendance all returned due to Lowe going but even you cannot ignore the fact that there was more in the ground when he had gone and more harmony and all in it together than when old rosey cheeks was here.

 

Like I said, lets see how things pan out next season

[Saint Without a Halo]

Pinnacles tapping up of MLT bothers me.

If you were a consortium with all the money you needed you would be concentrating on getting the deal done, and worry about figure heads like MLT later.

 

If you were sailing very close to the wind in terms of financing, and needed to try to convince potential consortium partners and/or placate disgruntled fans who have realised the new owners don't have a pot to **** in, you would want a footballing legend on your side.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but Pinnacle, to me, don't sound too convincing.

 

Could be that MLT helped put the consortium together! rather than they sought him!

 

In any event using MLT to enhance your bid, whilst likely to have some successs with the fans would only get short shrift from Mark Fry whose only interest is how much can he get from any deal towards a part repayment of those owed money!

[Saint Without a Halo]

Of course they have no money. They are front men for those that (possibly) do. Do you know who Pinnacle actually represent? In the same way that LLS has no money. These are people that are acting as negotiators for the "money men". We are all frustrated but we all know NOTHING. We have to wait and see.

 

Mark Fry will not sell to anyone with no money to do the deal it is not in his clients interests!

I suggest we try to continue to be patient and await from some real facts to emerge!

[Saint Without a Halo]

Well i kind of agree with Docker and my post on here was also trying to allude to whats past the Le tissier PR. I also dont see the point in calling them 'Pinnacle' if its not there money behind it.The problem is we know the Ids of the two other main parties. If they make preferred bidder then we should see all their cards on the table. As fans we where stitched up like kippers by Askham in 1997 and we dont want that again.

 

Docker is not criticising i suspect he is very nervous like us all !

 

Unfortunately in the current circumstances as fans we have no say in the matter whatsoever! We can just hope that whoever buys the club has it's best interests at heart.

[benjii]

With reverence comes responsibility.

 

I have already been very critical of an interview Solent held with MLT around the time of the points deduction where he seemed to be sucked into the blame game. He needs to rise above that and avoid taking sides

 

Why? He has no official involvement at all. All we know is that he supports in principle the bid being handled by Pinnacle. He has been the model of composure and restraint through the past few years. I think most people who care about the club would have struggled to remain so dignified.

 

based on historical battles and concentrate on the future harmony and stability of a recently once great club and well run but ruined by false promises and a section of unrealistic fans who at times have been ridiculously bigoted in their views.

 

Still waiting for someone to explain how the fans are to blame coherently but anyway... let's not go there now; I coudn't think of anything more boring and brain-numbing. Well done for squeezing that completely irrelevant little pip-squeak of a point in though. Ticks a box for the day.

 

Matt has his work cut out but play a true role of the ambassador and he could become a legend twiceover. He can start by not following the path laid down by other apparently self-elected ambassadors and voices of the people.

 

In any event, nobody no matter how great can't simply rely on their past reputations and certainly not when it involves a significant change in responsibility. If successful this is a far greater escape to pull off than those MLT helped the club achieve in his playing days and he needs to look beyond Saints and maybe even football to help him achieve his aim this time.

 

What on earth are you talking about?

 

Reputations are easily tarnished, fairly or otherwise and there are lessons to be learned all around us. I'm hopeful Matt will heed those lessons.

 

If you are that concerned about reputation then why do you keep re-registering on here?

[Saint Without a Halo]

Fair enough Phil. I think one of the reasons Pinnacle initially went public was because they suspected Fry was getting too "attached" to the Stuart Green led consortium. They have been pretty circumspect since that initial declaration of interest.

 

I say again Fry has no reason to be swayed by fans the presence of MLT or anything else! He is there to do the best deal he can for the creditors and if it means shutting up shop and selling the furniture then that is what he will do!

 

Having MLT on board by a consortium is there to

 

1) Possibly attract finance from potential wealthy fans who may and I stress the word may put in money on the basis of their heart and not their head!

 

2) Rally the fans (and therefore increasing gates and revenue) for new owners should they ultimately succeed!

[Frank's cousin]

But as has been pointede out - Matty has simply said he would be happy to support ANY bid that is going to save us and that shows what a legend he is - The reason he is currently with pinnacle is simply because he probably sees that as the best of teh options on the table at the moment and if that in turn helps secure funding for teh bid, great.

[Mole]

[Nineteen Canteen]

I would sugest that Matty is strong enough to formulate and espouse his own opinion. He certainly hasn't taken any sides, just been honest about where he feels the mistakes have been made.

 

Then again I shouldn't be too surprised that your trolling needs a new target figure to rally behind, so I guess Matty will be in your cross hairs to provide future game on here.

 

Just imagine a player of his quality playing his trade for Andover.

 

Just what did happen to Scooby???

 

As soon as MLT voices opinions on our recent history he will only reinforce the divide. Subsequent to his (IMO) undipolomatic interview on Solent as I mentioned above he gave a much more measured response to a Q&A article in the Times that put him head and shoulders above those who have gone before him. I am merely saying that whatever capacity he fulfills going forward he must act like an ambassador in the true sense of the word and that's more to do with diplomacy and the greater good than honesty and personal opinions.

 

The moment he tries to seek political capital from the past then he will only serve to split the fanbase and perhaps indicate that his supported consortium have either taken their eye off the future or worse struggling to fulfill their objectives.

 

MLT remains the one man capable (with business support) of reigniting this club. Not many under the age of 35 can identify with McMenemy and his critique or feel part of his success. However, apart from the youngest fans everyone can identify with MLT and the 16 - 35 age group especially will form our hard core support and in time bring their new families to games and who will be hopefully around in the long term to support the club.

 

It's time for McMenemy to stop pedalling his poison and retire from all things Saints related and take his wealthy mate and 3rd rate comedian with him. Matt is an enormous asset to this club and highly loved and revered by all Saints fans. However, if he wants to avoid a messy divorce he cannot simply draw on love alone, life as we know isn't like that.

 

I look forward to your next measured response Um and usual inane insults. What happened to the Saints Trust representative?

[benjii]

As soon as MLT voices opinions on our recent history he will only reinforce the divide. Subsequent to his (IMO) undipolomatic interview on Solent as I mentioned above he gave a much more measured response to a Q&A article in the Times that put him head and shoulders above those who have gone before him. I am merely saying that whatever capacity he fulfills going forward he must act like an ambassador in the true sense of the word and that's more to do with diplomacy and the greater good than honesty and personal opinions.

 

The moment he tries to seek political capital from the past then he will only serve to split the fanbase and perhaps indicate that his supported consortium have either taken their eye off the future or worse struggling to fulfill their objectives.

 

This would be true, if it was the case that more than a handfull of people disagreed with him. I agree with your general point though that there is no point in any new owner raking over the past and I expect you can rest assured that MLT, if he has any official capacity, will not do so.

 

MLT remains the one man capable (with business support) of reigniting this club. Not many under the age of 35 can identify with McMenemy and his critique or feel part of his success. However, apart from the youngest fans everyone can identify with MLT and the 16 - 35 age group especially will form our hard core support and in time bring their new families to games and who will be hopefully around in the long term to support the club.

 

It's time for McMenemy to stop pedalling his poison and retire from all things Saints related and take his wealthy mate and 3rd rate comedian with him. Matt is an enormous asset to this club and highly loved and revered by all Saints fans. However, if he wants to avoid a messy divorce he cannot simply draw on love alone, life as we know isn't like that.

 

I look forward to your next measured response Um and usual inane insults. What happened to the Saints Trust representative?

 

...

[miserableoldgit]

As soon as MLT voices opinions on our recent history he will only reinforce the divide. Subsequent to his (IMO) undipolomatic interview on Solent as I mentioned above he gave a much more measured response to a Q&A article in the Times that put him head and shoulders above those who have gone before him. I am merely saying that whatever capacity he fulfills going forward he must act like an ambassador in the true sense of the word and that's more to do with diplomacy and the greater good than honesty and personal opinions.

 

The moment he tries to seek political capital from the past then he will only serve to split the fanbase and perhaps indicate that his supported consortium have either taken their eye off the future or worse struggling to fulfill their objectives.

 

MLT remains the one man capable (with business support) of reigniting this club. Not many under the age of 35 can identify with McMenemy and his critique or feel part of his success. However, apart from the youngest fans everyone can identify with MLT and the 16 - 35 age group especially will form our hard core support and in time bring their new families to games and who will be hopefully around in the long term to support the club.

 

It's time for McMenemy to stop pedalling his poison and retire from all things Saints related and take his wealthy mate and 3rd rate comedian with him. Matt is an enormous asset to this club and highly loved and revered by all Saints fans. However, if he wants to avoid a messy divorce he cannot simply draw on love alone, life as we know isn't like that.

 

I look forward to your next measured response Um and usual inane insults. What happened to the Saints Trust representative?

You just can`t help yourself can you? As has been said before, any good constructive points that you raise in your posts are lost or made less valid because of your apparent need to be "controversial". You remind me of one of those WWE wrestlers who are hate figures (heels?) who play on this image just to wind the audience up. Your "poison" is , I am afraid, becoming somewhat diluted.

[Frank's cousin]

Matt's reputation will never be tarnished. I will always trust everything he does RE because I know he will always have its best interests at heart. How many other people can we honestly say that about? Not a single person I can think of apart from Ted Bates (RIP). That's why he can do no wrong in my eyes.

 

I think the point is though, that as soon as you enter the politics, its a whole duifferent ball game - hypothetically, say hes in the boardroom and responsible for advising manager choice an the Matt pic gets us relegated, does he lose reputation or is he allowed to do as he pleases based on past glories?

 

Sure we cut him some slack because of his history with us, but ultimately it will be about the here and now. As many have rightly said - even if his heart and intentions are without doubt in teh right place and totally commited to saints, ultimately its about results when in the hot seat.

[buctootim]

As soon as MLT voices opinions on our recent history he will only reinforce the divide. Subsequent to his (IMO) undipolomatic interview on Solent as I mentioned above he gave a much more measured response to a Q&A article in the Times that put him head and shoulders above those who have gone before him. I am merely saying that whatever capacity he fulfills going forward he must act like an ambassador in the true sense of the word and that's more to do with diplomacy and the greater good than honesty and personal opinions.

 

The moment he tries to seek political capital from the past then he will only serve to split the fanbase and perhaps indicate that his supported consortium have either taken their eye off the future or worse struggling to fulfill their objectives.

 

MLT remains the one man capable (with business support) of reigniting this club. Not many under the age of 35 can identify with McMenemy and his critique or feel part of his success. However, apart from the youngest fans everyone can identify with MLT and the 16 - 35 age group especially will form our hard core support and in time bring their new families to games and who will be hopefully around in the long term to support the club.

 

It's time for McMenemy to stop pedalling his poison and retire from all things Saints related and take his wealthy mate and 3rd rate comedian with him. Matt is an enormous asset to this club and highly loved and revered by all Saints fans. However, if he wants to avoid a messy divorce he cannot simply draw on love alone, life as we know isn't like that.

 

I look forward to your next measured response Um and usual inane insults. What happened to the Saints Trust representative?

 

I agree about MLT - he has a unique position, goodwill from all Saints fans. McMenemy is entitled to a measure of respect and Saints fans, if only he can learn to be a quiet figurehead of continuity and non partisan support - a bit like Ted Bates managed to do after retiring as manager. .

[Frank's cousin]

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Thing is right now 100% of fans agree with Matty - and support him. If in the future he is a position to make decisions on behalf of the club, that level of suppot will only remain while we consider those decions to be right...

[Mole]