B*llocks to them all....

[kpturner]

As I have a said in previous posts, we need to hope the club's future is resolved, then unite behind the club, management AND team and have a ****-em all attitute to beating this 10 point penalty and getting into the playoffs.

Summed up here methinks: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=13134

[scotty]

Very sad , but true. Stu RomseySaint has summed up matters quite succinctly

 

What, that chris marsden sh**ged his ex?

[Wilko]

You're a genius, Stu.

[Andoverian]

For once stu I completely agree.

 

This is the best post on the whole of the forum. I hope that it is read by some of the players. There is absolutely no doubt that the only loyalty now in football is the fans and we should never forget this. I wouldn't give one penny to pay the wages of the present lot and sadly if the club goes out of business that is too bad. It is not my fault. I have attended 90% of the matches home and away and have continued to show my support by buying my season ticket even when I was vehemently against the way the club was being run.

[StuRomseySaint]

At the risk of sounding naive, how do you know this to be true? For all anyone knows he has "put money in the pot" just like many of us. Many of the players may have done - and it would be crass of them to starting spouting off about it if they did. To just say they haven't without knowing it to be 100% correct is just not on IMHO. All this vitriol directed at the playing staff is not helping us. As I have a said in previous posts, we need to hope the club's future is resolved, then unite behind the club, management AND team and have a ****-em all attitute to beating this 10 point penalty and getting into the playoffs. If we start next season booing every player because we think they didn't help the club financially then we will end up in Div 2 by christmas. Come on - get over it and get some positivity going.

 

Well if it is not true then I challenge Surman or any other player who has contributed to step forward.

 

It wouldn't be crass of them to spout about putting money in the pot at all, it would have showed unity, showed that they cared and spurred on the fans to do more... many people, such as me has not contributed anything for the simple reason the players have not.

 

I am not giving my hard earned cash up to pay for someone elses wage whilst they lie on a beach in Spain chillingout... not a chance in the world.

 

Nobody said anything about booing the players at the start of next season, I just hope most of them are released, I also hope they fail to find another club.

[Saints Warrior]

This is all symptamatic of the `capitalist Culture` we are all tied up in. The MP, RBS Directors drip feeding huge amounts into thier own pockets. I now belive there is not a credit crunch` its just certain high earners have just gambled and wasted so much money they want more. The same has happened with Saints, Saints were NOT short of money and never have been, they just gave too much of it way in wages.

 

30 players give up 1 weeks wages of £3,000 and the board help out with £10,000 and thats almost the initial money that was needed to keep the clubs lons going.

 

In proportion to what the fans have spent on tickets etc and given that we have to work for our money its a scandle.

 

Look at BORO yesturday the ground half empty for a crucial game but these footballers dont understand what its like to work in a real job, to have to work hard, to have to keep an eye on money.

 

I have said it before, it maybe best for fans that the club goes bust and we start in non league then the game will go back into the hands of the fans and we wont see the likes of these `kiss the badge and go` players.

 

Some of the players playing for Newcastle and BORO are so poor you wonder why the fans turn up and then you see the empty seats and realise the Prem is no better than CCC, its all full of crap players we have made millionairs.

 

I am going to spend my money on better things or save it!

 

None leaque here we come.....

[influx]

B*llocks indeed. It's such a surreal feeling donating money to pay those who are paid more in a month or 2 than I am in a year. I tell myself it's to save the club but in reality it's to subsidise those whose lack of pride and footballing inadequacy places us in League 1 next year.

 

I can't believe people did donate money! I'd feel like a mug if I did that to be honest!

[kpturner]

Well if it is not true then I challenge Surman or any other player who has contributed to step forward.

 

It wouldn't be crass of them to spout about putting money in the pot at all, it would have showed unity, showed that they cared and spurred on the fans to do more... many people, such as me has not contributed anything for the simple reason the players have not.

 

I am not giving my hard earned cash up to pay for someone elses wage whilst they lie on a beach in Spain chillingout... not a chance in the world.

 

Nobody said anything about booing the players at the start of next season, I just hope most of them are released, I also hope they fail to find another club.

We'll have to agree to disagree and move on. My only final parting comment(s) would be that no player is going to "step forward" on any forum or in the media and say "guess what, I contributed £xx" - if they did then many cynics would just question their motives in spouting of about it. Those of us that have made contributions (and that includes buying tickets or chucking money in a bucket) did so with the intention of helping the club keep going. That is not just about paying players wages, it is about meeting all the costs from the tea-lady upwards and wanting to have a club to support next season. I don't understand your last comment really - or rather I do understand it but I can't believe your are being serious. What do you hope we will get in to replace all these nasty greedy players that we currently supposedly have - professional footballers that work for free perhaps?

Edited 17 May, 2009 by kpturner

[kpturner]

30 players give up 1 weeks wages of £3,000 and the board help out with £10,000

We don't have 30 players earning £3000 per week and we don't have a board either.

[eelpie]

When anyone agrees with me why do they always start the post with 'for once' ?

 

:-(

 

Do they mean 'for once but never again?'

 

Seriously, as you say. ******** to the lot of them!

[Red&White]

Absolutely spot on Stu you would have thought that at least one of the miserable sods would have helped, Ba****ds

[StuRomseySaint]

Still nothing on the OS, not rallying cries from the players, not even a postcard.

 

I don't want their money put into the club, I would just like one or two of them to stand up and do SOMETHING to help.

 

They have a massive influence on the whole campaign.

 

How many more tickets would be sold if a group of them turned out for the daytime part of Saints Aid, even if it was just to pose for photo's and sign autographs for the kids?

 

Why couldn't 10 of them played in two seperate Saints teams, 5 on each sides and the other postions auctioned off the chance to play with them at St Marys - Is 90 minutes of their time too much to ask?

 

As I have said again and again, I don't expect them to put in their cash, I just expect something back, just something....

 

Sc*m, the lot of them.

 

I have not even heard one of them put their hands up and say sorry for the complete tosh we were served up last season.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Still nothing on the OS, not rallying cries from the players, not even a postcard.

 

I don't want their money put into the club, I would just like one or two of them to stand up and do SOMETHING to help.

 

They have a massive influence on the whole campaign.

 

How many more tickets would be sold if a group of them turned out for the daytime part of Saints Aid, even if it was just to pose for photo's and sign autographs for the kids?

 

Why couldn't 10 of them played in two seperate Saints teams, 5 on each sides and the other postions auctioned off the chance to play with them at St Marys - Is 90 minutes of their time too much to ask?

 

As I have said again and again, I don't expect them to put in their cash, I just expect something back, just something....

 

Sc*m, the lot of them.

 

I have not even heard one of them put their hands up and say sorry for the complete tosh we were served up last season.

 

They are all in Aya Napia by now.

- the last generation to give a f*** about Saints was the Benali/Le Tiss/Dodd bunch. Since then and the advent of the Premiership it is all about mercenaries.

[StuRomseySaint]

They are all in Aya Napia by now.

- the last generation to give a f*** about Saints was the Benali/Le Tiss/Dodd bunch. Since then and the advent of the Premiership it is all about mercenaries.

 

When I rallied round to give Dodd a decent goodbye, I said at the time he would be the last person to give a toss about SFC, and although I didn't think it 100%, sadly it seems I was right. :-(

[saint simes]

I was using this post to reply to another thread, but went off on a tangent so might as well make it a thread of it's own.

 

The players...

 

Nobody is moaning about players getting paid lots. Lucky them, I work in sales, if I am good, I get lots of money, if I am bad, I get paid f*ck all, if only the same was said of our football players, the wage bill would have been zero for the last couple of years.

 

However, not one of the has lead by example and put a penny in, to be honest, I am pretty p*ssed off that Kelvin Davies and Jason Euell tried to lie and say they had deffered wages..... why did they do that?

 

I feel sorry for all the effort the Saints Trust went to just to pay for Wayne Thomas' wages for a week, I feel embarrassed for Goodies Fish and Chip shop who worked their arses off for free to pay for Bradley Wright-Phillips weekly wage.

 

F*ck the players, the sh!te they have served up all season, for NOT A SINGLE ONE of them to stand up and say " Hey, I am willing to give a weeks wage, even a days wage to the cause "

 

F*ck them, f*ck the lot of them, I hope we start with a completely new team next season, they can all f*ck off as far as I am concerned, and that includes Kelvin Davies.

 

I don't give a f*ck how much they earn, just a days wage would have been enough, just to lead the way, but they don't care, they will get paid that for some other team.

 

Surman..... supposedly a Saints fan, not put a penny into the pot, yet other Saints fans are having the guilt trip put on them..... just goes to show, people can kiss the badge all they want, they can say how much they love the club, the fact is that Matthew Le Tissier is the last Saints player to ever 'not' put his money where his mouth is and stay here for the love.

 

I don't blame players for moving on, it's a job, I wouldn't lose a weeks wage for the company I work for if they went into administration, I would find a new job.... the same as most footballers would do.

 

What I would not do is lie to the public and try to suggest I did, nor would I claim how much I love Southampton FC blah blah f*cking blah.

 

B*llocks to them, b*llocks to them all.

 

 

I have read your posts many times over the years, your comments have ****d me off many times, this is the first one I empathise with, fair play to you, well done!

[saint1977]

Harsh words fueled by the frustration on our present situation IMHO.

 

Would people be moaning about the wages if the club was not in the carp? I mean, if everything had worked out just the same (crap season and relegated) but SFC was still in a healthy state financially, would there be threads on this forum criticising players for the amount of money they earn?

 

Hypothetically speaking, if I find out my Saints supporting neighbour next door earns £1000 a month more than me, am I within my rights to insist he pays that £1000 to Save our Saints because he can surely afford it? No. So some of the Saints players earn more than me too - that doesn't mean they should start paying it back to the club does it? The fact that some of their wages may exceed your own income does not mean they are awash with spare cash to donate to all and sundry. They were given a contract and they get paid accordingly. Get over it.

 

Who said Davies and Euell offered to defer their wages? Did you hear them say it or did you read it in the same place that is now telling you they didn't after all?

 

I am as ******ed off about the whole sorry affair as the next man, but to get all bitter and twisted of players earnings and how they should pay some back to help out is wasted energy.

 

I have my flame proof vest on ready for the onslaught.......

 

Trouble is, how many of Saints players in the last 5 years have tried or made a tackle? In fact, a lot of very poor players earn fantastic money at most clubs outside of the PL (and quite a few in the PL as well) and I don't blame hard-pressed fans for turning on them. Football is awful VFM now and I actually quite fancy watching L1 football with some real players if we can be saved. At least we'll be rid of useless tarts like Surman and BWP, let alone Gasmi and one of the worst ever players I've seen at any level of sport, Lancashire.

[saint1977]

Still nothing on the OS, not rallying cries from the players, not even a postcard.

 

I don't want their money put into the club, I would just like one or two of them to stand up and do SOMETHING to help.

 

They have a massive influence on the whole campaign.

 

How many more tickets would be sold if a group of them turned out for the daytime part of Saints Aid, even if it was just to pose for photo's and sign autographs for the kids?

 

Why couldn't 10 of them played in two seperate Saints teams, 5 on each sides and the other postions auctioned off the chance to play with them at St Marys - Is 90 minutes of their time too much to ask?

 

As I have said again and again, I don't expect them to put in their cash, I just expect something back, just something....

 

Sc*m, the lot of them.

 

I have not even heard one of them put their hands up and say sorry for the complete tosh we were served up last season.

 

If we do survive, we should absolutely slaughter them when they return with other clubs in the future - loads of "Southampton reject", "you are a f*cking disgrace" and boo their every touch until they get subbed at half-time because that's the sort of weak scum they are.

[hypochondriac]

They are all in Aya Napia by now.

- the last generation to give a f*** about Saints was the Benali/Le Tiss/Dodd bunch. Since then and the advent of the Premiership it is all about mercenaries.

 

I think Bridge and someone like CMFG cared.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

I think Bridge and someone like CMFG cared.

 

Cared about what ?

[Legod Third Coming]

It's a shame that more footballers (and perhaps more politicians and more people generally) don't realise that you can buy anything but a legacy or a place in history.

[StuRomseySaint]

Cared about what ?

 

My ex. :-(

[INFLUENCED.COM]

My ex. :-(

 

That was just a poke in the whiskers, as you well know ! get over it you soppy ....

[kpturner]

As I have said again and again, I don't expect them to put in their cash, I just expect something back, just something.....

To be fair, you have changed your tune - because your original post *did* say that you wanted them to put some money in, with a pop directly at Surman for not doing so despite being a fan (which he is). That aside, I happen to agree with you that it is not unreasonable to have expected at least some of the players to be showing their faces this weekend and contributing their time in some way. Maybe they are worried about getting grief over their wages.

[kpturner]

If we do survive, we should absolutely slaughter them when they return with other clubs in the future - loads of "Southampton reject", "you are a f*cking disgrace" and boo their every touch until they get subbed at half-time because that's the sort of weak scum they are.

Yeah - won't that be great. Anyway, back to the homework....

[The9]

I still think people blaming the players are completely missing the point.

 

It's not THEIR fault some numpty decided to pay them shedloads of cash, and they're entitled to all of it - especially as it's not performance-based.

 

I actually couldn't care less that none of them have paid from their own pockets, few of them have any long-standing affiliation with the club as a result of our recent revolving-door transfer policy (the likes of Skacel were "long-serving"), and the ones who might have an affinity, the kids, are the ones with the least money to spare.

 

To be honest I'm bored of all the threads attacking the players for not "fixing" someone else's mistake.

 

The problem was the decision to give that kind of money to them in the first place, not that they won't give any of it back.

[londonsaint1604]

I don't blame players for moving on, it's a job

 

Why do people always say this. It's not a ****ing job, they get paid to play football!

 

Otherwise I agree Stu

[kpturner]

I still think people blaming the players are completely missing the point.

 

It's not THEIR fault some numpty decided to pay them shedloads of cash, and they're entitled to all of it - especially as it's not performance-based.

 

I actually couldn't care less that none of them have paid from their own pockets, few of them have any long-standing affiliation with the club as a result of our recent revolving-door transfer policy (the likes of Skacel were "long-serving"), and the ones who might have an affinity, the kids, are the ones with the least money to spare.

 

To be honest I'm bored of all the threads attacking the players for not "fixing" someone else's mistake.

 

The problem was the decision to give that kind of money to them in the first place, not that they won't give any of it back.

At last! I was beginning to despair at the thought of anyone else piping in with the same view as me.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

To be honest, how many here would give up a wage if their employers were struggling financially? They were signed on contracts that did not say if we are stuffed feel free not to take a wage.

 

They might not have earned it but they were not on performance based wages sadly.

 

I would definitely be prepared to take a cut in the short term to preserve my employment. Putting something in without the expectation of getting anything in return is a fundamental of good service and underpins many great businesses.

 

On a different tack over here in Brisbane team captain (and Australian Rugby League icon) Darren Lockyer is this week reported as having taken a pay cut to improve the wages on offer to the junior squad members and targets of the Brisbane Broncos.

 

No player 'has to' do this. Some just do. Kids shelling out their pocket money into buckets to pay our players salaries - Jeez.

[londonsaint1604]

I would definitely be prepared to take a cut in the short term to preserve my employment. Putting something in without the expectation of getting anything in return is a fundamental of good service and underpins many great businesses.

 

On a different tack over here in Brisbane team captain (and Australian Rugby League icon) Darren Lockyer is this week reported as having taken a pay cut to improve the wages on offer to the junior squad members and targets of the Brisbane Broncos.

 

No player 'has to' do this. Some just do. Kids shelling out their pocket money into buckets to pay our players salaries - Jeez.

 

Exactly right. And I don't think you can really compare a typical job to playing professional football. 15,000 fans turned up to every home game to support them and pay their wages surely they feel that now they could repay some of that loyalty.

[The9]

At last! I was beginning to despair at the thought of anyone else piping in with the same view as me.

 

I have a habit of posting in a long-winded enough way that people don't usually bother arguing, as well...

[StuRomseySaint]

I still think people blaming the players are completely missing the point.

 

It's not THEIR fault some numpty decided to pay them shedloads of cash, and they're entitled to all of it - especially as it's not performance-based.

 

I actually couldn't care less that none of them have paid from their own pockets, few of them have any long-standing affiliation with the club as a result of our recent revolving-door transfer policy (the likes of Skacel were "long-serving"), and the ones who might have an affinity, the kids, are the ones with the least money to spare.

 

To be honest I'm bored of all the threads attacking the players for not "fixing" someone else's mistake.

 

The problem was the decision to give that kind of money to them in the first place, not that they won't give any of it back.

 

I am not 'blaming' the players, simply stating that they don't deserve an ounce of my respect.

 

How are they being asked to 'fix someone elses mistake' ?

 

I could be wrong but I thought it was them, the players who underperformed and served up that shower of sh!te all season? I thought it was them that got us relegated? Don't give it the 'not their fault' , on paper we should have had no problem staying up if each player had put the effort in and played like they can.

 

Again, it's not ALL about the money, do you not think that maybe some of them should be getting involved in the different campaigns going? Or maybe one of them have the b*llocks to even come out and say sorry for last season?

 

Infact ANYTHING from the players would be more than they are showing now.

[The9]

I would definitely be prepared to take a cut in the short term to preserve my employment. Putting something in without the expectation of getting anything in return is a fundamental of good service and underpins many great businesses.

 

But would you be so keen to help preserve your existing employer if you knew a bunch of other businesses were probably going to offer you a competitive deal (maybe even better) if you were suddenly released from your contract, or that if you stayed you'd feel that you weren't doing the best for your long term career prospects ?

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think the players earn their money in the conventional sense. It's a quirk of capitalism that those in the entertainment industry generally get paid so much when few of them do much to justify it, but at least in football there's an obvious hierarchy of pay and ability and people tend to find their level over time.

 

But as the accepted situation is that they're all "overpaid", people need to stop whining about it and stop supporting the business that's perpetuating it if they're THAT bothered.

 

Maybe some Saints fans have..?

[The9]

I am not 'blaming' the players, simply stating that they don't deserve an ounce of my respect.

 

How are they being asked to 'fix someone elses mistake' ?

 

I could be wrong but I thought it was them, the players who underperformed and served up that shower of sh!te all season? I thought it was them that got us relegated? Don't give it the 'not their fault' , on paper we should have had no problem staying up if each player had put the effort in and played like they can.

 

Again, it's not ALL about the money, do you not think that maybe some of them should be getting involved in the different campaigns going? Or maybe one of them have the b*llocks to even come out and say sorry for last season?

 

Infact ANYTHING from the players would be more than they are showing now.

 

See my previous response, allied to the fact that players were being paid at all 24 Championship teams and irrespective of that 3 teams were going to get relegated.

[stevegrant]

I could be wrong but I thought it was them, the players who underperformed and served up that shower of sh!te all season?

I wouldn't say they underperformed, to be honest - based on last season's "great" () escape and the loss of key players from that season, replaced with players who were deemed not good enough/ready for first-team football at that point, we were always going to be in a relegation battle.