B*llocks to them all....

[kpturner]

The payers have let us down..... a new club should be without the current lot - except KD....

We have not just been let down by the players - there is culpability throughout. It is too simple to just lay the blame at their door.

[kpturner]

The leeches have bled this club us fans love dry, and us the fans are suffering. As Duncan,

points out it is us the fans who deserve our club, and very few others.

The leeches being whom? The players or the board members spending money we didn't have to spend? Remove all the players and get new ones in and what have you got? More players that play the game professionally and therefore earn money. They are not bleeding the club dry - they are doing the job the club employed them to do - unfortunately for a few seasons they have generally done the job badly.

[L1Minus10]

This starting post is post of the year and te first decent thing worth reading on here for ages.

[Crab Lungs]

The point deduction should unify us. Let us never talk of the past few years, we should come out fighting. BIG TIME.

 

Forza Saints.

[Loyal Saint]

The leeches being whom? The players or the board members spending money we didn't have to spend? More players that play the game professionally and therefore earn money. They are not bleeding the club dry - they are doing the job the club employed them to do - unfortunately for a few seasons they have generally done the job badly.

 

Sadly the personnel involved in our great club in recent years have failed massively. They have bled the club dry and due to this we are where we are. Yes ultimately its the fault of board members but don't underestimate the role of others. Skacel, Raziak, Saga, Burley, Dyer, Best, JE, Thomas to name but a few and thats only in the last couple of years.

 

All underperformed in huge proportions. (Won't include McCann as I'm sure no-one would class him as a footballer- but another few hundred grand down the khazi)

[CityRanger]

Spot on Stu. My nippers were on about the charity game but I just kept thinkin 50 quid of my hard earned won't half fill one of the numerous 4x4's that litter the Staplewood car park let alone save the club. Football money is so disproportianate to "real" money that I thought enoughs enough. Bo!!ocks to that.

Also, why do they bother with that badge kissing sh!t these days? As has been pointed out they're straight out the door when a better offer comes in but boy do they milk the hero worship. Most of 'em are cr@p too. I could go on one on this subject well done Stu, for once.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I was using this post to reply to another thread, but went off on a tangent so might as well make it a thread of it's own.

 

The players...

 

Nobody is moaning about players getting paid lots. Lucky them, I work in sales, if I am good, I get lots of money, if I am bad, I get paid f*ck all, if only the same was said of our football players, the wage bill would have been zero for the last couple of years.

 

However, not one of the has lead by example and put a penny in, to be honest, I am pretty p*ssed off that Kelvin Davies and Jason Euell tried to lie and say they had deffered wages..... why did they do that?

 

I feel sorry for all the effort the Saints Trust went to just to pay for Wayne Thomas' wages for a week, I feel embarrassed for Goodies Fish and Chip shop who worked their arses off for free to pay for Bradley Wright-Phillips weekly wage.

 

F*ck the players, the sh!te they have served up all season, for NOT A SINGLE ONE of them to stand up and say " Hey, I am willing to give a weeks wage, even a days wage to the cause "

 

F*ck them, f*ck the lot of them, I hope we start with a completely new team next season, they can all f*ck off as far as I am concerned, and that includes Kelvin Davies.

 

I don't give a f*ck how much they earn, just a days wage would have been enough, just to lead the way, but they don't care, they will get paid that for some other team.

 

Surman..... supposedly a Saints fan, not put a penny into the pot, yet other Saints fans are having the guilt trip put on them..... just goes to show, people can kiss the badge all they want, they can say how much they love the club, the fact is that Matthew Le Tissier is the last Saints player to ever 'not' put his money where his mouth is and stay here for the love.

 

I don't blame players for moving on, it's a job, I wouldn't lose a weeks wage for the company I work for if they went into administration, I would find a new job.... the same as most footballers would do.

 

What I would not do is lie to the public and try to suggest I did, nor would I claim how much I love Southampton FC blah blah f*cking blah.

 

B*llocks to them, b*llocks to them all.

 

And B*llocks to the club for not forcing the issue. Post administration motivation of the players was impossible IMO so why mention that as a concern in cutting salaries. I wonder if Honda, BMW, Nissan, Hualage Industry and just about most other manufacturing/engineering industries were concerned about their employees 'motivation' when they were put on short time, pay cuts or redundancies. Football is in danger of eating itself and whats more outrageous, a load of MP's taking the p1ss out of the taxpayers to fix their Tennis Courts and Moats or a few mercenary football 'stars' allowing the generous average working man, pensioner, student or even child donating their diminishing dispoable incomes to pay their wages?

 

If I was the new owner I would send them all to market and buy a more committed breed. (This is not levelled at those younger players who are probably on much lower contracts but IMO any player earning above the higher rate tax threshold could have been told to take at least a 5% reduction. Afterall do they want a future for their employers or not?)

[Nineteen Canteen]

You leave Channon out of this !!!

 

20? I think you'll find that would be a real mare.

[rocknrollman no2]

I would like to offer my thanks to Stu for putting into words what i am feeling.

But i would also not only blame the players for milking SFC for as much as they can,i would also put the blame on all of those who thought they could make easy money out of Saints FC.

Those who did a bad job,yet still got paid loads of money,wether it be former Chairman,managers,boardmembers,players or even failed comedians.

You know who you are.

Shame on you!!!!

[Nineteen Canteen]

Chris Marsden ****ged my ex.... true story. Cost him his marriage to boot though.... haha gutted. :-)

 

Not surprised what was his name?

[hamster]

Chris Marsden ****ged my ex.... true story. Cost him his marriage to boot though.... haha gutted. :-)

 

Not that nice Chatham girl Stu? Sorry that you found a bad 'un, they always spoil it for the nice girls.

[RinNY]

I don't see the point of ranting at the players like this. How do you expect them to "bleed for the club", when the club is quite likely to turn around and sell them to another club at a moment's notice? You're living in the past: in the old days before the modern transfer system, players spent their careers at one club and identified with it, and bled for it. Nowadays, they know they are just temporary hirelings, and they behave as the mercenaries the modern game has turned them into. How could they do anything else? And let's face it, unless a player is a loyal genius, like MLT, or a colorful and all action scrapper like a Franny Benali, the fans turn on the players the moment they have a dip in form (sometimes even without that), so why should they put themselves out for the fans? If I were McGoldrick, for example, and I read this forum, I certainly wouldn't give a sh*t about the fans who slagged me off constantly.

 

Get over it, it's the way the game is now. Our players were not quite good enough, not quite well enough organized and trained and led, and were demoralized at the end by all the fiscal woes. Slagging them off this way is just pointless.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Its times like these you realise who true Saints people are, Le Tissier, McMenemy, Crouch and Channon are the only four i can list as TRUE Saints fans at the moment!

 

All depends what your definition is of TRUE and IMO you have missed out people like Nick Holmes, Terry Paine, Franny Benali and god love her Mary Corbett to name but 3. I don't think you tried very hard or dazzled by the limelight.

[hamster]

The point deduction should unify us. Let us never talk of the past few years, we should come out fighting. BIG TIME.

 

Forza Saints.

 

I really do like the sound of that, I really do.

[hamster]

Anyone who saw the real pain that some of those lads played through at the Forum match (because they loved wearing that shirt), will know what it meant to someone who wants it. One or two simply did not know when to stop, and every person in the stand gave them a standing ovation at the end.

 

If any players had been there, I bet they would have slipped out hiding their embarassment, and their fat wallets.

 

Good shout Stu and others, these things need to be discussed now if we are going to move on together.

[Horley CTFC Saint]

The payers have let us down..... a new club should be without the current lot - except KD....

The payers? That would be the fans then?!?

[Loyal Saint]

I don't see the point of ranting at the players like this. How do you expect them to "bleed for the club", when the club is quite likely to turn around and sell them to another club at a moment's notice? You're living in the past: in the old days before the modern transfer system, players spent their careers at one club and identified with it, and bled for it. Nowadays, they know they are just temporary hirelings, and they behave as the mercenaries the modern game has turned them into. How could they do anything else? And let's face it, unless a player is a loyal genius, like MLT, or a colorful and all action scrapper like a Franny Benali, the fans turn on the players the moment they have a dip in form (sometimes even without that), so why should they put themselves out for the fans? If I were McGoldrick, for example, and I read this forum, I certainly wouldn't give a sh*t about the fans who slagged me off constantly.

 

Get over it, it's the way the game is now. Our players were not quite good enough, not quite well enough organized and trained and led, and were demoralized at the end by all the fiscal woes. Slagging them off this way is just pointless.

 

Oh stop it, you'll have me in teers in a minute

 

Most, not all, have underperformed in a big way this season. They've been backed extremely well by the supporters and yet couldn't manage to make some sort of gesture to the club in its hour of need and ultimately to the fans that they owe so much to

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

All depends what your definition is of TRUE and IMO you have missed out people like Nick Holmes, Terry Paine, Franny Benali and god love her Mary Corbett to name but 3. I don't think you tried very hard or dazzled by the limelight.

 

Surprised you didn't name your mate lowe in there sundance canteen.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Absolutely spot on. Been saying it ever since they rattled the first bucket. Some of them should take a long hard look at their chances of landing contracts elsewhere if we go under. Some of them really aren't very good footballers.

[darren1]

I think some who are defending the players situation are missing the point. Why should someone who is paid £400 per week, dig into his pocket and stump up to pay the wages of someone who is paid £6,000 (or more) per week. These parasites are taking the P**s out of the fans and bleeding THEM. For those interested, Honda in Swindon have voted to take a pay cut today to keep the plant running and save redundancies of fellow workers! The managers have taken a bigger cut than the workers!

[red&white56]

+ 1

 

+ 2

[Windmill Arm 2]

i was using this post to reply to another thread, but went off on a tangent so might as well make it a thread of it's own.

 

The players...

 

Nobody is moaning about players getting paid lots. Lucky them, i work in sales, if i am good, i get lots of money, if i am bad, i get paid f*ck all, if only the same was said of our football players, the wage bill would have been zero for the last couple of years.

 

However, not one of the has lead by example and put a penny in, to be honest, i am pretty p*ssed off that kelvin davies and jason euell tried to lie and say they had deffered wages..... Why did they do that?

 

I feel sorry for all the effort the saints trust went to just to pay for wayne thomas' wages for a week, i feel embarrassed for goodies fish and chip shop who worked their arses off for free to pay for bradley wright-phillips weekly wage.

 

F*ck the players, the sh!te they have served up all season, for not a single one of them to stand up and say " hey, i am willing to give a weeks wage, even a days wage to the cause "

 

f*ck them, f*ck the lot of them, i hope we start with a completely new team next season, they can all f*ck off as far as i am concerned, and that includes kelvin davies.

 

I don't give a f*ck how much they earn, just a days wage would have been enough, just to lead the way, but they don't care, they will get paid that for some other team.

 

Surman..... Supposedly a saints fan, not put a penny into the pot, yet other saints fans are having the guilt trip put on them..... Just goes to show, people can kiss the badge all they want, they can say how much they love the club, the fact is that matthew le tissier is the last saints player to ever 'not' put his money where his mouth is and stay here for the love.

 

I don't blame players for moving on, it's a job, i wouldn't lose a weeks wage for the company i work for if they went into administration, i would find a new job.... The same as most footballers would do.

 

What i would not do is lie to the public and try to suggest i did, nor would i claim how much i love southampton fc blah blah f*cking blah.

 

B*llocks to them, b*llocks to them all.

 

 

time of the month?

[red&white56]

B*llocks indeed. It's such a surreal feeling donating money to pay those who are paid more in a month or 2 than I am in a year. I tell myself it's to save the club but in reality it's to subsidise those whose lack of pride and footballing inadequacy places us in League 1 next year.

 

 

I didn't put money in the buckets at the games for this very resaon. The players (not the academy kids) earn fantastic wages. They could have done more to help the club than anyone over the last 4 weeks - and before anybody says they might have done something but asked for it not to bemade public - I don't believe this. The club is in dire finacial trouble, this is the time for public statements of support.

 

If we survive I truly hope we throw all these jokers out and start with a new team.

[alehouseboys]

I didn't put money in the buckets at the games for this very resaon. The players (not the academy kids) earn fantastic wages. They could have done more to help the club than anyone over the last 4 weeks - and before anybody says they might have done something but asked for it not to bemade public - I don't believe this. The club is in dire finacial trouble, this is the time for public statements of support.

 

If we survive I truly hope we throw all these jokers out and start with a new team.

 

...but...realistically...would the next lot really be any different?

[InvictaSaint]

And B*llocks to the club for not forcing the issue. Post administration motivation of the players was impossible IMO so why mention that as a concern in cutting salaries. I wonder if Honda, BMW, Nissan, Hualage Industry and just about most other manufacturing/engineering industries were concerned about their employees 'motivation' when they were put on short time, pay cuts or redundancies. Football is in danger of eating itself and whats more outrageous, a load of MP's taking the p1ss out of the taxpayers to fix their Tennis Courts and Moats or a few mercenary football 'stars' allowing the generous average working man, pensioner, student or even child donating their diminishing dispoable incomes to pay their wages?

 

If I was the new owner I would send them all to market and buy a more committed breed. (This is not levelled at those younger players who are probably on much lower contracts but IMO any player earning above the higher rate tax threshold could have been told to take at least a 5% reduction. Afterall do they want a future for their employers or not?)

 

Absolutely, 100% spot on. Seconded, with gusto.

[Snowballs2]

If we do eventually find a buyer for our club, the fans will be more demanding of the players efforts, and, quite rightly.

We have paid a great deal to support under performing players this season.

I can't recall a season when so little effort was made on the pitch by the players, exempt from my comments is our keeper who had another good season

[Wes Tender]

I'll try to be as even-handed on this as I can.

 

Looking at it from the perspective of the players, they are in an industry where they have a short shelf life. For all they know, they could suffer a career ending injury in their next match and many of them have few skills in other directions that would tide them over. Because of the nature of the modern game, they earn considerably more at their age than most of their contemporaries and at that age, not many are wise enough to keep money back for a rainy day. Most are probably up to their necks in expenditure on large houses, fast cars and fast women, so that they might feel that they cannot spare a week's wages. Most probably have been assured by their agents that they will find a job elsewhere with another club in the event that they can no longer work here for the same wages. And as Stu has admitted, he wouldn't give up a weeks wages if his employers were in trouble, so how can he expect the players to be any different?

 

On the other hand and playing devil's advocate, these players are supposed to be professional sportsmen and ought to have it instilled in them that because they are rewarded handsomely for their prowess in kicking a football about, they owe it to the paying customers to give their everything, every time they play. They ought to be made to understand the sacrifices that have been made by so many ordinary fans earning a pittance by comparision, just to be able to watch them play. To achieve that understanding, it is necessary that they compulsarily spend some of their time doing community liason work and hospital visits to Saints fans.

 

Ultimately, they should have an element of pride in themselves as professionals. If they don't possess that pride instinctively, then we need a manager to instill it in them and other more experienced players can help to lead by example.

 

Otherwise, I am totally in agreement that during the past couple of seasons, hardly any of the players covered themselves in glory by giving 100% and showing the pride and commitment that we are entitled to expect every time we pay to watch them play. On that basis, I hope that we have a mass clearout of all those players who are not prepared to give their blood and sweat for the shirt, the badge, the club, us.

[dubai_phil]

I agree wholeheartedly with Stu's feelings, football is corrupt from top to bottom since Bosman and Sky.

 

 

As fans though we also have to bear some blame, we had dreams, we had hopes and aspirations, we belonged in the Premier League, we demanded PL quality signings.

 

When we only paid 90k for a player we abused both him and the board-room.

 

We begged for Rudi to be signed, we listed HCDAJFU players from the top echelons of football.

 

We demanded investment while we were in the PL, we almost gleeful revelled in the fact that GB had a war chest when we were in our 2nd year in the Championship.

 

During those "heady days" we were all amazingly arrogant and naive, the gravy train would continue forever, we were just unlucky we had a moron in charge instead of a rich uncle.

 

In truth, none of us really understood, we were so much better than those other poor souls who's clubs were going bust, hell one of us even won a competition to allow the club to be able to pay BWP 6k or whatever a week to be offside and miss one on ones.

 

The fact is that finally, we have woken up to reality, suddenly we are all staring into a bottomless pit. We have realised what a mess has been made but also what a mess football REALLY is and as fans in many ways that old saying "Pride goes before a fall" has been shown to be true.

 

We now see what is needed to rebuild this club, we now understand much better the fans of other clubs who almost sneered at us for the crazy money we were paying out, and we look back up to the so called "promised land" and realise what it really is all about - a bunch of "crooks" ripping us off and feeding at a trough we filled for them EVERY week, be it their Ferrari or their Directors Box lunches.

 

We have been taken as mugs as fans, you lot back there have been taken as mugs by your so called "elected representatives", it GODDAM hurts to realise that you have spent a great deal of your life being conned into providing a life of luxury for a bunch of complete W**KERS.

 

But of course, we STILL ask the question - how much money will the new people have to invest in out team.... we still haven't really learnt have we, and the new owners won't be able to start or win a revolution to change it all on their own will they?

 

We ALL know football revolutions don't work!

[Legod Third Coming]

I wonder how a single player will be able to look a retired road-sweeper in the eye knowing that, in the hour of need, it was the man on £80 a week who stepped up to the plate.

[saint lard]

Footballers are mercenaries,they don't give a feck as long as they have a overblown salary being paid to them.

Long gone are the days of really playing for the club, and the supporters of that club, and not the huge wage that goes with it.

They are extremely privileged to be able to get payed vast sums for something that i would'nt consider as hardly the most taxing of jobs.

[Saint in Paradise]

I wonder how a single player will be able to look a retired road-sweeper in the eye knowing that, in the hour of need, it was the man on £80 a week who stepped up to the plate.

 

Probably very easily ?

[Legod Third Coming]

Probably very easily ?

 

Sadly, you are probably right since 99% of footballers exemplify what is wrong with this country. It's time there was a national movement to lift snouts from the trough...

[egreog]

Totally agree with the sentiments of the thread........its not just Saints,its the malaise that is within the whole game............frankly, I've stopped caring about football, enjoy the Champions League , but even at that level the attitude sucks

[The Rover]

I think that top footballers wages are indecent but there isn't a lot we can do about that.

 

What really annoys me is that if we go to the wall next week it will be largely because OUR players would rather it happen than accept a month without or with a deferral of their wages.

 

IMO this total absence of loyalty to the club and it's fans stinks.

[ART]

Starting out from St Mary's, the following footballers are showing the type of fund raising spirit that our own players are sorely lacking. Really makes you think and shows you the shame brought upon our own players at Saints. All our lot can do is mutter pretty words to the media and bugger off on holiday.

 

http://www.thisissussex.co.uk/news/Buxted-footballers-bikes/article-988573-detail/article.html

[Kingsland Red]

I'll try to be as even-handed on this as I can.

 

Looking at it from the perspective of the players, they are in an industry where they have a short shelf life. For all they know, they could suffer a career ending injury in their next match and many of them have few skills in other directions that would tide them over.

 

I hate that argument, often used to make excuses for the excessive greed of ignorant mercenaries who also are lucky enough to be able to control an inflated sphere.

In this ever changing world everyone potentially has a career with a short shelf life.

Then when they least expect it or want it, they have to retrain as something else using technology they have little experience of.

It's a tough world - get used to it footballers, every one else has to.

 

Top post Stu.

[kpturner]

frankly, I've stopped caring about football

By contributing to this forum you are showing this to be completely untrue.

[SoccerMom]

I agree wholeheartedly with Stu's feelings, football is corrupt from top to bottom since Bosman and Sky.

 

 

As fans though we also have to bear some blame, we had dreams, we had hopes and aspirations, we belonged in the Premier League, we demanded PL quality signings.

 

When we only paid 90k for a player we abused both him and the board-room.

 

We begged for Rudi to be signed, we listed HCDAJFU players from the top echelons of football.

 

We demanded investment while we were in the PL, we almost gleeful revelled in the fact that GB had a war chest when we were in our 2nd year in the Championship.

 

During those "heady days" we were all amazingly arrogant and naive, the gravy train would continue forever, we were just unlucky we had a moron in charge instead of a rich uncle.

 

In truth, none of us really understood, we were so much better than those other poor souls who's clubs were going bust, hell one of us even won a competition to allow the club to be able to pay BWP 6k or whatever a week to be offside and miss one on ones.

 

The fact is that finally, we have woken up to reality, suddenly we are all staring into a bottomless pit. We have realised what a mess has been made but also what a mess football REALLY is and as fans in many ways that old saying "Pride goes before a fall" has been shown to be true.

 

We now see what is needed to rebuild this club, we now understand much better the fans of other clubs who almost sneered at us for the crazy money we were paying out, and we look back up to the so called "promised land" and realise what it really is all about - a bunch of "crooks" ripping us off and feeding at a trough we filled for them EVERY week, be it their Ferrari or their Directors Box lunches.

 

We have been taken as mugs as fans, you lot back there have been taken as mugs by your so called "elected representatives", it GODDAM hurts to realise that you have spent a great deal of your life being conned into providing a life of luxury for a bunch of complete W**KERS.

 

But of course, we STILL ask the question - how much money will the new people have to invest in out team.... we still haven't really learnt have we, and the new owners won't be able to start or win a revolution to change it all on their own will they?

 

We ALL know football revolutions don't work!

 

 

Quite right, Phil. But, true to my moniker, I would argue there is more than Saturday football and fans at stake here. This morning I took the nipper to his last Saints in the Community session - not by choice, but because the scheme appears to be folding everywhere but at Fleming Park (they seem to run it on a franchise). Next week he'll start at another local scheme, where the coach is looking to become a feeder into the Pompey academy. The nipper is sad, but philosophical. I'm also minded to think of my older son's good friend, who was supposed to be starting as a Scholar in the Saints Academy this summer - he's been at the Academy since he was eight years old, and it probably was his only option as when he began his mum was on her own with two boys, and so not available to go trailing across the county to other schemes. Our kids need Saints to be a going concern.

 

The demise of SFC is a community tragedy. I don't think unique in saying I have supported the club because it has meant being able to take my nipper to live sport on a Saturday afternoon, and because it has given him something to feel he belongs to almost as birthright. I was brought up in London, not Soton - and when I was a nipper I supported Chelski as it was the nearest thing I had to a local club. And when I went out to play, I was Peter Osgood and my Leeds supporting mate was Billy Bremner (except when they made me - the girl - go in goal, when I became Peter Bonetti). Now I can't imagine supporting them, even if I still lived in London - there's absolutely nothing 'local' about them. But when the nipper goes out to play, he's Lee Holmes or Drew, and it makes him feel on top of the world, just like I did, because he belongs to Saints. I know, coz I can hear him commentating as he runs around. And when he scored at St Mary's last weekend during U9s tournament, he thought his dreams could come true, if only for the afternoon. I can't imagine what it will be like for him, or thousands of other Junior Saints, if he has no local heroes. And if the kids of the city have fewer interests here, they will just drift away and not try and keep the community together.

 

And what about the staff at the club, and the kids who've committed to the Academy? Livelihoods and dreams, all jeopardised by people at the top who can just walk away and find someone else to pay their wages.

 

Please Begbies, Pinnacle, Barclays, creditors, players-who-will-become-creditors, DON'T let this club die. It is one of the things that holds this city and its community together.

 

Rant over - gotta go and pick the nipper up now!

[Toadhall Saint]

Quite right, Phil. But, true to my moniker, I would argue there is more than Saturday football and fans at stake here. This morning I took the nipper to his last Saints in the Community session - not by choice, but because the scheme appears to be folding everywhere but at Fleming Park (they seem to run it on a franchise). Next week he'll start at another local scheme, where the coach is looking to become a feeder into the Pompey academy. The nipper is sad, but philosophical. I'm also minded to think of my older son's good friend, who was supposed to be starting as a Scholar in the Saints Academy this summer - he's been at the Academy since he was eight years old, and it probably was his only option as when he began his mum was on her own with two boys, and so not available to go trailing across the county to other schemes. Our kids need Saints to be a going concern.

 

The demise of SFC is a community tragedy. I don't think unique in saying I have supported the club because it has meant being able to take my nipper to live sport on a Saturday afternoon, and because it has given him something to feel he belongs to almost as birthright. I was brought up in London, not Soton - and when I was a nipper I supported Chelski as it was the nearest thing I had to a local club. And when I went out to play, I was Peter Osgood and my Leeds supporting mate was Billy Bremner (except when they made me - the girl - go in goal, when I became Peter Bonetti). Now I can't imagine supporting them, even if I still lived in London - there's absolutely nothing 'local' about them. But when the nipper goes out to play, he's Lee Holmes or Drew, and it makes him feel on top of the world, just like I did, because he belongs to Saints. I know, coz I can hear him commentating as he runs around. And when he scored at St Mary's last weekend during U9s tournament, he thought his dreams could come true, if only for the afternoon. I can't imagine what it will be like for him, or thousands of other Junior Saints, if he has no local heroes. And if the kids of the city have fewer interests here, they will just drift away and not try and keep the community together.

 

And what about the staff at the club, and the kids who've committed to the Academy? Livelihoods and dreams, all jeopardised by people at the top who can just walk away and find someone else to pay their wages.

 

Please Begbies, Pinnacle, Barclays, creditors, players-who-will-become-creditors, DON'T let this club die. It is one of the things that holds this city and its community together.

 

Rant over - gotta go and pick the nipper up now!

 

Post of the day.

[Wes Tender]

I hate that argument, often used to make excuses for the excessive greed of ignorant mercenaries who also are lucky enough to be able to control an inflated sphere.

In this ever changing world everyone potentially has a career with a short shelf life.

Then when they least expect it or want it, they have to retrain as something else using technology they have little experience of.

It's a tough world - get used to it footballers, every one else has to.

 

Top post Stu.

 

I only posted that slant on it to gain some perspective, Kingsland. I did also put across the other side of the coin in the interest of balance.

 

Put yourself in the players' shoes and try and see things from their point of view. Ultimately when it is viewed in its simplest form, it boils down to supply and demand, basically. Should the players be blamed for having a physical skill and ability that determines that they are able through public demand to command an earning level that is the envy of most of us? What would you do with part of your life if you were capable of being a top sportsman and could earn loads of money for a few years? But the career-ending injury is a real possibility to all of them, Ronaldo, Torres or McGoldrick. So they develop a mentality of trying to earn as much as they can while they can. Do you blame them for that? As others have reasoned, it is us the public who determine how much they earn, by being prepared to support the whole structure by paying to watch them, or by paying Sky Sports, or buying merchandise.

[gonzo]

So where was it publicised that they didn't defer their wages? I know Kelvin Davis had said he'd done so, to make sure the youngsters got paid.

 

If that's a lie then it's completely fecking shameful.

[Handyman]

I was using this post to reply to another thread, but went off on a tangent so might as well make it a thread of it's own.

 

The players...

 

Nobody is moaning about players getting paid lots. Lucky them, I work in sales, if I am good, I get lots of money, if I am bad, I get paid f*ck all, if only the same was said of our football players, the wage bill would have been zero for the last couple of years.

 

However, not one of the has lead by example and put a penny in, to be honest, I am pretty p*ssed off that Kelvin Davies and Jason Euell tried to lie and say they had deffered wages..... why did they do that?

 

I feel sorry for all the effort the Saints Trust went to just to pay for Wayne Thomas' wages for a week, I feel embarrassed for Goodies Fish and Chip shop who worked their arses off for free to pay for Bradley Wright-Phillips weekly wage.

 

F*ck the players, the sh!te they have served up all season, for NOT A SINGLE ONE of them to stand up and say " Hey, I am willing to give a weeks wage, even a days wage to the cause "

 

F*ck them, f*ck the lot of them, I hope we start with a completely new team next season, they can all f*ck off as far as I am concerned, and that includes Kelvin Davies.

 

I don't give a f*ck how much they earn, just a days wage would have been enough, just to lead the way, but they don't care, they will get paid that for some other team.

 

Surman..... supposedly a Saints fan, not put a penny into the pot, yet other Saints fans are having the guilt trip put on them..... just goes to show, people can kiss the badge all they want, they can say how much they love the club, the fact is that Matthew Le Tissier is the last Saints player to ever 'not' put his money where his mouth is and stay here for the love.

 

I don't blame players for moving on, it's a job, I wouldn't lose a weeks wage for the company I work for if they went into administration, I would find a new job.... the same as most footballers would do.

 

What I would not do is lie to the public and try to suggest I did, nor would I claim how much I love Southampton FC blah blah f*cking blah.

 

B*llocks to them, b*llocks to them all.

 

Well Saints players. How are you going to respond to that? Will you donate your wages for a short while to save our (and your) club a little longer and to allow time for the takeover? and by so doing redeem yourselves, save your jobs, regain the respect and perhaps even the love of the fans, or will you desert the club that desperately needs your help like rats deserting a sinking ship?

[View From The Top]

Usually I think SRS is a total and utter co ck. However, this time, he's spot on.

[Beer Engine]

The promise of Champions League + Premiership + Sky Money + Global Branding has given rise to a reckless, over-ambitious "all or nothing" style of club management which in turn has lead to spiralling "superstar" wages being paid to the third/fourth rate journeymen that have taken the pitch in red and white this season.

 

I watched quite a lot of Leeds v Millwall the other night - I don't think our current squad could compete with either - much as we failed to trouble Bristol Rovers in the cup ..

 

Our players are over-paid, over-hyped garbage. They lack pace, touch, movement, intelligence and commitment. It's disgraceful that ***s like these are earning £7,000 a week in the first place - it's unthinkable that people who earn a fraction of that should be voluntarily contributing to their wages. They can all **** off now.

 

I wish I'd ******ed in that collection bucket instead of just muttering "what a ****ing cheek" etc

[Andy_Porter]

Did Kelvin definatly not defer his wages?

 

The Sun seem to think he did...

Saints’ top earners, such as Jason Euell and keeper Kelvin Davis, will defer their wages to help keep the club going.

 

 

Davis, 32, said: “We’ll do whatever it takes to help the club survive. It’s important for the young players to get their money at the end of the month.”

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article2359828.ece

[sadoldgit]

To be honest, how many here would give up a wage if their employers were struggling financially? They were signed on contracts that did not say if we are stuffed feel free not to take a wage.

 

They might not have earned it but they were not on performance based wages sadly.

[StuRomseySaint]

Usually I think SRS is a total and utter co ck. However, this time, he's spot on.

 

Usually I think View From the Top is a total and utter co ck. However, this time, he's wrong again.

[Weston Super Saint]

To be honest, how many here would give up a wage if their employers were struggling financially? They were signed on contracts that did not say if we are stuffed feel free not to take a wage.

 

They might not have earned it but they were not on performance based wages sadly.

 

I think you've missed the point of the thread...

[StuRomseySaint]

To be honest, how many here would give up a wage if their employers were struggling financially? They were signed on contracts that did not say if we are stuffed feel free not to take a wage.

 

They might not have earned it but they were not on performance based wages sadly.

 

Not me, but I would try that little bit harder, I would put in the extra hours to try and make things ok, it's not only about financial commitment... Lawrie said in his piece today in the Echo that he can't get hold of any of the current team as they have gone on holiday etc...

 

How about some of them turning up to Saints Aid?

 

How about some of them turning up at a local pub who are raising money for THEM to get behind the bar?

 

Why didn't any of them volunteer to serve some chips at Goodies Charity day?

 

What would be wrong in the clubbing together to hold an auction? Donating shirts etc of theirs and contacts of theirs?

 

How's about just one of them coming out and thanking the Saints fans for clubbing together for their wages?

 

There are a million ways other than giving up their wages how they could have showed they cared.... not one of them has shown anything other than contempt for the fans of SFC, the ones who pay their wages.

[kpturner]

Surman..... supposedly a Saints fan, not put a penny into the pot

At the risk of sounding naive, how do you know this to be true? For all anyone knows he has "put money in the pot" just like many of us. Many of the players may have done - and it would be crass of them to starting spouting off about it if they did. To just say they haven't without knowing it to be 100% correct is just not on IMHO. All this vitriol directed at the playing staff is not helping us. As I have a said in previous posts, we need to hope the club's future is resolved, then unite behind the club, management AND team and have a ****-em all attitute to beating this 10 point penalty and getting into the playoffs. If we start next season booing every player because we think they didn't help the club financially then we will end up in Div 2 by christmas. Come on - get over it and get some positivity going.