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Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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The Echo reckon that the Green (Jackson?) bid is on the table and that £500k has been lodged in some account to pay the bills. Could be complete trollox of course. I am not sure how that money can be touched if they do not also become the preferred bidder before that time.

 

If that's the case then I would say that it's odds on that Crouch is involved in that in some.

Otherwise it's b....x

Frank's cousin

Frank's cousin

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This need for middlemen can only be explained because none of teh interested parties have a great deal of funds - eg it needs 4-8 folk to come together and so someone starts this process - but my concern is that Jackson was atthe forefront of some seriously delusional 'takeovers' previously, taking in deatils about David Beckham, Arab funding and god knows whet else - forget a media precesnce, I can live with that, but not out and out bull**** that even sucked in some intelligent posters. Multiply this by teh Bournemouth fiasco and we have a situation that if this IS or becomes our only hope, i would be seriously worried -

 

Sorry Ron, but after having met MJ, I am struggling to take this seriously.

Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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Whilst i understand some scepticisim what else have we got??

 

LOL.

 

And you slated the anyone but Lowe camp!!

 

If there really is no-one out there with the money to buy us - and I don't believe for one minute there isn't, hasn't Morph and the Salz hints gone very quiet recently ;) - and the club ends up folding, then I guess it was meant to be.

 

You do, after all, reap what you sow...

up and away

up and away

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Originally Posted by Weston Saint viewpost.gif I think part of the answer of why MJ is involved may be that he uses his extensive contacts to go out and find the money men and bring them to the table just as Tony Lynam is doing. Without these 2 guys we might not even be at the the proven funds stage and we all know what that would mean.

 

Sorry Ron, this is what i dont get... Its been pretty much in teh national media that we are in admin and buyers are sought - anyone serious would either appoint their own broker or deal direct. MJ and even SG are not in a position to buy the club themselves so why get involved? Everyone they contact will know the club is for sale if they have any interest whatsoever in a) sainst b0 owning a football club

 

For me the ONLY reason we have MJ involved is because he is always keen to play a role - and his 'backers' are numerous because they dont ahvethe financial clout to do it on their own - so we potentially end up with a consortium of 6-8 - how long before they fall out as more money is required to prop us up?

 

That's about it in a nutshell. I just cannot believe those that have fallen for his time and time again and already know in reality what the answer is. When these things start up they go out looking to get investment from various sources and this becomes known. When you know the sort of people that have been approached, it is not difficult in coming to a conclusion about how this is going to pan out. Most of the time you just have the Billy buffalo bollax giving it large which subsequently evaporates under cash flow has hit a problem. Fry at the present time is considering if there is an actual option to liquidation. If anyone thinks these muppets are actually helping the situation they could easily be in for an abrupt awakening. Fry will not be letting this go on for much longer and when everything disappears into thin air, with everyone realising there is nothing coming through, those that could of done something don't have the time or Fry may not bother entertaining them.

 

I have always believed that in the near future a club that once graced the Premier will go out of existence. You could not get better conditions for that scenario then what exists at present. Our only saving grace appears with the council being able to be influential with the stadium. Even with the planning restrictions on St Mary's, if football is not played there for a season, even the council will have a rethink.

RinNY

RinNY

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Do you honestly think that reputable people like Salz and Davies would use the kind of front men we've been hearing about? I don't.

 

No, I don't; which again is why it seems to me that they are not involved in this and just are not interested in putting any money into Saints under any circumstances, as I have long thought.

Frank's cousin

Frank's cousin

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That's about it in a nutshell. I just cannot believe those that have fallen for his time and time again and already know in reality what the answer is. When these things start up they go out looking to get investment from various sources and this becomes known. When you know the sort of people that have been approached, it is not difficult in coming to a conclusion about how this is going to pan out. Most of the time you just have the Billy buffalo bollax giving it large which subsequently evaporates under cash flow has hit a problem. Fry at the present time is considering if there is an actual option to liquidation. If anyone thinks these muppets are actually helping the situation they could easily be in for an abrupt awakening. Fry will not be letting this go on for much longer and when everything disappears into thin air, with everyone realising there is nothing coming through, those that could of done something don't have the time or Fry may not bother entertaining them.

 

I have always believed that in the near future a club that once graced the Premier will go out of existence. You could not get better conditions for that scenario then what exists at present. Our only saving grace appears with the council being able to be influential with the stadium. Even with the planning restrictions on St Mary's, if football is not played there for a season, even the council will have a rethink.

 

My fears exactly - maybe I should have approached Mr Fry with my ideas for a consortium as Maybe then I could have had a seat in the Directors box fro the last game and looked important ?

 

If MJ saves us, I will publically apologise and swear never to a) criticise him, b) say anything remotely positive about Lowe agains ever...

Frank's cousin

Frank's cousin

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No, I don't; which again is why it seems to me that they are not involved in this and just are not interested in putting any money into Saints under any circumstances, as I have long thought.

 

Salz and davies are where they are because they actually ahve teh intelligence to raelise that the ONLY money you invest in football is money you are prepared and can afford to lose - I cant blame them as their personal wealth is theirs and they owe teh club nothing, moreover its a thankless task. Howevere, i woudl ahve felt alot more confident if their names were genuinely used in brokering a deal even if not personnally involved.

bridge too far

bridge too far

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Echo is being fed all its info on this by Mark Jackson so literally 90% of what you hear is what he states. Hence the details of his 'bid' are known

 

So he's bullsh**ing again - just like he did here and at Bournemouth.

 

The man must surely have the tiniest pr*ck on earth, that he has to big himself up like this so often.

 

If it transpires that his shenanigans have delayed the process resulting in the club's oblivion I seriously would fear for his well-being.

Frank's cousin

Frank's cousin

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Has Stuart Green got anything to do with companies called Video Connections International or Unicol?

 

I seem to remember the names being mentioned when Wacko was mounting his last 'bid' for Saints.

 

 

http://www.videoconnections.ae/contact.html

 

Where's GM when you need him? He must have all the old posts stored in his files.

 

Unicol made a sharepurchase last time round and I thk had a stake of approx 3.5% which cost tehm at teh time about £500,000 - now worth nothing....

kpturner

kpturner

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Salz is also quoted in the Echo today. I haven't got it to hand, but he is being portrayed as a worried fan rather than being involved in any of the bids. He did say that he has managed to get wealthy people interested in investing, but getting them from the "interested" stage to the "here is the money" stage is extremely difficult.

tommi

tommi

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After the fiasco of LLS on here and then Wacko Jacko suddenly turning into LLC and making such a mess of 'buying' Bournemouth I almost cried with laughter at his TV interview. The Bournemouth deal was small fry, what did they need £1m or something and he couldn't even manage that. Now I find myself crying with laughter at people actively endorsing him and a bid he is supposedly working on on here? What planet are most of you from? do you not remember the days of LLS on here? did you not watch his TV appearance, have you not read all the good things the Cherries fans have written about him? Short memories indeed!

 

If he gets within 1 mile of St Mary's it's far too close for me........

OldNick

OldNick

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LOL.

 

And you slated the anyone but Lowe camp!!

 

If there really is no-one out there with the money to buy us - and I don't believe for one minute there isn't, hasn't Morph and the Salz hints gone very quiet recently ;) - and the club ends up folding, then I guess it was meant to be.

 

You do, after all, reap what you sow...

well I would suggest that it is a bit odd to criticise me on that then. At present i still would be happy to have the club with RL than nothing.The anybody but Lowe situation was as foolish as wishing we go into administration.

What so far has it produced? hardly mouthwatering.

I believe we should be questioning barclays and their pulling the plug.

I cannot see why when the club had done a lot of what they wished for couldnt support us until the summer when we could have sold assets.

From a position where we were 6.3m in debt(to them) and had cut it to 4m, why they couldnt give us any slack.What would they expect to get back now? £2m or less.

To have supported us with an extra 100k or so , yes their exposure would be back up to 4.2m but also have an asset that may still be in the CCC and the players to sell to reduce us back again.It is the oddest timing and decision and in time perhaps we will hear exactly why this happened.Perhaps people employed in that field may be able to explain why they would do so at that time and also take a big hit in doing so?

dubai_phil

dubai_phil

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So he's bullsh**ing again - just like he did here and at Bournemouth.

 

The man must surely have the tiniest pr*ck on earth, that he has to big himself up like this so often.

 

If it transpires that his shenanigans have delayed the process resulting in the club's oblivion I seriously would fear for his well-being.

 

BTF, DD's post is factually incorrect so your response is out of order.

 

Worry about MJ later, at the moment let Fry do A deal

trousers

trousers

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Sorry Ron, this is what i dont get... Its been pretty much in teh national media that we are in admin and buyers are sought - anyone serious would either appoint their own broker or deal direct. MJ and even SG are not in a position to buy the club themselves so why get involved? Everyone they contact will know the club is for sale if they have any interest whatsoever in a) sainst b0 owning a football club

 

For me the ONLY reason we have MJ involved is because he is always keen to play a role - and his 'backers' are numerous because they dont ahvethe financial clout to do it on their own - so we potentially end up with a consortium of 6-8 - how long before they fall out as more money is required to prop us up?

 

Yep, that's my point too in a nutshell.

 

Here's hoping that there is a bidder in the background who has made direct contact with the Administrator and that Fry is simply using the middlemen approaches as a means to an end - i.e. to ensure that there is seen to be a competitive bid situation from the Creditor's perspective.

bridge too far

bridge too far

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BTF, DD's post is factually incorrect so your response is out of order.

 

Worry about MJ later, at the moment let Fry do A deal

 

Admonished by Phil :cry:

 

Sorry hun - I was just remembering all the grief he brought to this forum last year.

 

I shouldn't knee-jerk, should I 8-[

Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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Could Jackson/Green be brokering a deal for Lowe to come back?

 

Two things.

 

1. Jackson would probably struggle to wipe his own ar5e effectively, let alone broker a deal worth millions.

 

2. Lowe doesn't have any money because every business he has got involved in he has managed to **** up!

Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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well I would suggest that it is a bit odd to criticise me on that then. At present i still would be happy to have the club with RL than nothing.The anybody but Lowe situation was as foolish as wishing we go into administration.

What so far has it produced? hardly mouthwatering.

I believe we should be questioning barclays and their pulling the plug.

I cannot see why when the club had done a lot of what they wished for couldnt support us until the summer when we could have sold assets.

From a position where we were 6.3m in debt(to them) and had cut it to 4m, why they couldnt give us any slack.What would they expect to get back now? £2m or less.

To have supported us with an extra 100k or so , yes their exposure would be back up to 4.2m but also have an asset that may still be in the CCC and the players to sell to reduce us back again.It is the oddest timing and decision and in time perhaps we will hear exactly why this happened.Perhaps people employed in that field may be able to explain why they would do so at that time and also take a big hit in doing so?

 

Nick, you need to wake up and smell the coffee!!

 

We were NEVER going to stay up in the CCC - even if we had 10 matches to play and everyone else had only six!!!

 

We had a team that for whatever reason couldn't produce the goods, that's the long and the short of it!

 

I'm sure Barclays would rather receive half of their money back now, than never get any of it back, so how you draw your conclusion that we could have sold assets this summer at full price when we appear to be struggling to sell those very same assets at bargain basement prices now beggars belief!

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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All mj has done is try and sell the club and it appears someone has taken the bait. If that is truly the extent of his involvement then thats ok with me. I have been told he most certainly has not spoken to the press which makes me think someone else has and that reminds me of nickh and Weston's posts

trousers

trousers

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Wouldn't surprise me if it all dragged on until the last minute.

 

What date/time do the club have to submit the payroll run to BACS (or equivalent) to meet the 21st May (?) payday deadline? Usually 4 working days before isn't it? (at a guess)

 

i.e. tomorrow..... (da da daaaaaa)

slickmick

slickmick

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The Echo reckon that the Green (Jackson?) bid is on the table and that £500k has been lodged in some account to pay the bills. Could be complete trollox of course. I am not sure how that money can be touched if they do not also become the preferred bidder before that time.

He also said the same about the £100,000 he put into Bournemouth before he was due to take control. What ever happened to that money I wonder ?

 

Echo is being fed all its info on this by Mark Jackson so literally 90% of what you hear is what he states. Hence the details of his 'bid' are known

 

So true, but why the hell are the Echo giving him the time of day ? Are they that desperate for a story ?

Maybe next time he phones the Echo with another exclusive they could ask him about David Beckham, Barry Bearsdal, Dead Arabs, Fake websites, Russian Billionaires ect ect.

He's a name dropping fake of the highest order. Yet he still seems to have some kind of cult following.

We will be dead in the water if his bid is accepted.

Ponty

Ponty

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He's a name dropping fake of the highest order. Yet he still seems to have some kind of cult following.

 

I take it you've replaced the "n" with an "l" to avoid the swear filter?

Tamesaint

Tamesaint

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What date/time do the club have to submit the payroll run to BACS (or equivalent) to meet the 21st May (?) payday deadline? Usually 4 working days before isn't it? (at a guess)

 

i.e. tomorrow..... (da da daaaaaa)

 

2 days.

 

On the 20th May (earlier if they do not use electronic means) the club will need to send to the Inland Revenue, the National Insurance and income tax deductions that were made from the salaries paid in April. I imagine that this will be quite a hefty sum. Often it is the failure to pay this that causes financially stricken clubs to have problems with the taxman (and the subsequent further point deductions if no CVA is reached).

 

So next week is going to be quite a strain on the cashflow!!!

 

Somebody must be feeling confident of a deal being done before next week to cancel sunday's game & turn down "derisory" offers for Dyer and Rasiak!!

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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Some are saying that we'll be dead in the water if 'his' bid isn't accepted

 

You do of course realise that if the MJ aided bid should be accepted, words like d*ckhead, pr@t,charlatan, fool,pillock and joker would no longer be usable in his regard. Until of course we get beaten 4-0 at home by Oldham, then they will be in free circulation again.

Big Bad Bob

Big Bad Bob

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I've read much of this post and I'm actually suprised, although I don't know why, that Weston Saint/Ron has been taken in by MJ.

 

Like I've alluded to elsewhere he must be a reverse empath!! (MJ that is, not Ron!!)

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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Good analogy. In which case...

 

nm_titanic_smith_070628_ssv.jpg = rupertlowe_612284.jpg

 

 

 

Both look like something out of the Onedin Line, the brave Captain Baines and some Manchester ship broker who wanted to introduce steamships instead of

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