John B Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Still no preferred bidder according to the Echo http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4366919.Still_talking_over_Saints/
JustMike Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 this is beginning to drag on like that bird in Eastenders who didnt tell the other bird that she was her daughter and then she died ;-(
Master Bates Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 A couple of days ago one of the texts received mentioned Maple Leaf Sports Entertainment. I done a search on the forum and found they were spoken about on 8th May, anyways, this was found: The Globe and Mail May 13, 2009 Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Ltd. has been centred out as the worst owner in the NHL, according to a feature on SI.com, the website of Sports Illustrated magazine. In a story that identified the five best and five worst owners in each of the four major team sports, the site wrote: "How can the $1.75-billion owners of the most valuable franchise in hockey [the Toronto Maple Leafs] continue to so mismanage one of the NHL's most storied teams?"...................... (Somewhere in here http://www.theglobeandmail.com/)
dubai_phil Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Ah so it isn't the MJ consortium now, it's the Stuart Green one. That may come as a surprise to some no doubt (Wait for the I told you so's)
John B Posted 14 May, 2009 Author Posted 14 May, 2009 Ah so it isn't the MJ consortium now, it's the Stuart Green one. That may come as a surprise to some no doubt (Wait for the I told you so's) Who is Stuart Green?
TNT Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Why do people believe whats written in the Daily Echo ! FFS
dubai_phil Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Who is Stuart Green? A neutral wise "old" head and a voice of reason, who helped to drive the abortive attempts to get the 3 amigos to talk to each other by chairing the Runnymede and other meeting and spent many months working with all parties to try and find some common ground in our darker days, and an all round good guy and successful businessman. He's been mentioned quite a bit on here in the past, was at the Forum match chatting away and is genuinely concerned about the club HTH
John B Posted 14 May, 2009 Author Posted 14 May, 2009 A neutral wise "old" head and a voice of reason, who helped to drive the abortive attempts to get the 3 amigos to talk to each other by chairing the Runnymede and other meeting and spent many months working with all parties to try and find some common ground in our darker days, and an all round good guy and successful businessman. He's been mentioned quite a bit on here in the past, was at the Forum match chatting away and is genuinely concerned about the club HTH Thank you so his involvement is positive
thorpie the sinner Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Is any one frightened by how long this is taking!?? Can't see how we can possibly pay the next lot of wages....today and tomorrow will be pivotal as I see it
TNT Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 A neutral wise "old" head and a voice of reason, who helped to drive the abortive attempts to get the 3 amigos to talk to each other by chairing the Runnymede and other meeting and spent many months working with all parties to try and find some common ground in our darker days, and an all round good guy and successful businessman. He's been mentioned quite a bit on here in the past, was at the Forum match chatting away and is genuinely concerned about the club HTH Pah, Lowe luvvie, end of. A total disaster if he and Jackson are anywhere near SFC.
John B Posted 14 May, 2009 Author Posted 14 May, 2009 Is any one frightened by how long this is taking!?? Can't see how we can possibly pay the next lot of wages....today and tomorrow will be pivotal as I see it I think it is going to take as long as it takes
TNT Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Thank you so his involvement is positive Nope !! More of the same.
shurlock Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 A neutral wise "old" head and a voice of reason, who helped to drive the abortive attempts to get the 3 amigos to talk to each other by chairing the Runnymede and other meeting and spent many months working with all parties to try and find some common ground in our darker days, and an all round good guy and successful businessman. He's been mentioned quite a bit on here in the past, was at the Forum match chatting away and is genuinely concerned about the club HTH Well, at least, the Marc Jackson bid isnt a complete waste of time...Does Green have the financial muscle?
thorpie the sinner Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Pah, Lowe luvvie, end of. A total disaster if he and Jackson are anywhere near SFC. It might come to the fact that there will be no club if they are not! at least their bid is on table, and we have NO idea how good it is for club! It could be the God send!
thorpie the sinner Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Well, at least, the Marc Jackson bid isnt a complete waste of time...Does Green have the financial muscle? They are both middle men I think, the money comes from within
doggface Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Says yesterday came & went without announcement, nothing about today though which I believe will be the day as mentioned on the other thread.
John B Posted 14 May, 2009 Author Posted 14 May, 2009 They are both middle men I think, the money comes from within The money is coming from where?
thorpie the sinner Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Says yesterday came & went without announcement, nothing about today though which I believe will be the day as mentioned on the other thread. I just can't see it, I am worrying about Fry's ability to seal a deal here!! Why are the talks breaking down????
thorpie the sinner Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 The money is coming from where? I meant they are probably representing the people putting up money!
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Who is Stuart Green? Chaired the infamous Runnymede meeting between Crouch, Wilde and Lowe. A bit of a "middle man" who supplied/fitted a lot of the IT systems at SMS. A friend of Cowen and Lowe.
John B Posted 14 May, 2009 Author Posted 14 May, 2009 Chaired the infamous Runnymede meeting between Crouch, Wilde and Lowe. A bit of a "middle man" who supplied/fitted a lot of the IT systems at SMS. A friend of Cowen and Lowe. Is that good or bad?
saintstr1 Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 I think it is going to take as long as it takes Not Possible , Fry will have a deadline looming.
dubai_phil Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Thank you so his involvement is positive I'm pretty sure he'd say he would rather have not been involved, but as Paul Allen is not around, somebody had to help to get a team together to build a plan for a sustainable future and a push back up the Leagues. The best comment last week post match was along the lines of "well nobody else seems to be trying, what happens if nobody does come in with a bid?". After that I'm afraid the 5th pint of Guinness took hold and I'm afraid things are a little hazy.
Gorgiesaint Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 I just can't see it, I am worrying about Fry's ability to seal a deal here!! Why are the talks breaking down???? Talks have not broken down!!! He's still talking to them, it's just gone on longer than expected - remember if he's got 2 bids then he will be busy playing them off against each other so he gets the best deal for the creditors.
thorpie the sinner Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Talks have not broken down!!! He's still talking to them, it's just gone on longer than expected - remember if he's got 2 bids then he will be busy playing them off against each other so he gets the best deal for the creditors. Have Pinnacle bid yet?
Saint in Paradise Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Look on the bright side, at least people are talking about a possible takeover rather than just getting ready to kill themselves as Saints got relegated.
Master Bates Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Today's hard copy Echo says MJ has offered £8m rising to £15m, with £500k ready now to pay this months wages. They also say MJ's bid is the favourite.
Gorgiesaint Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Have Pinnacle bid yet? Actually not sure!! So 2 bids may have been the wrong thing to say so apologies - but Fry is still talking to that group (at least if you believe the Echo this morning). IMO there is no point in worrying about no announcements just yet (& yes I am as concerned about it as you hence why we're both on ths forum at stupid o'clock in the morning!) until the payroll run is due which I believe is the 20th or 21st. If we get to then with no announcement then I will be really worried.
doggface Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Yes pinnacle have made a bid. Hopefully this Jackson stuff is a smokescreen, we all know he is a clown. I particuarly love in the intervie 'I have been described as a photocopier salesman, which I find quite amusing', then says later 'I have sold some photocopiers!'
dubai_phil Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Yes pinnacle have made a bid. Hopefully this Jackson stuff is a smokescreen, we all know he is a clown. I particuarly love in the intervie 'I have been described as a photocopier salesman, which I find quite amusing', then says later 'I have sold some photocopiers!' And if it is not a smokescreen? To assume makes an ass out of u and me as they say. What is important is that Fry ACCEPTS a bid that saves the club. to do that both parties need to be talking to him. Let us hope that is the case, we're a long way out on a limb as a club and it would be horrific not to have a safety net
miserableoldgit Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 I just can't see it, I am worrying about Fry's ability to seal a deal here!! Why are the talks breaking down???? The fact is that we don`t know if talks have broken down or not. The only "information" that any of us have is what is put forward on this forum. We are so desperate for news that we all (myself included) cling to any old tat that appears here. There is no problem with that - it meets some sort of need in us and in a perverse way is a bit of fun. We have to assume that Fry is good at his job and that he knows what he is doing. Lack of news could be looked at from both angles. It could be that things are going "tits up" or it could mean that Fry is playing one off against the other to get the best deal. The bottom line is that none of us actually KNOW what is going on (even those with the the most extreme opinions) so we need to let Fry do his job. Nothing that we do can change that. We need to be even more patient.
Red and White Army Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 What is important is that Fry ACCEPTS a bid that saves the club. to do that both parties need to be talking to him. Let us hope that is the case, we're a long way out on a limb as a club and it would be horrific not to have a safety net I'm not sure I wouldn't want Saints to fold rather than the agony of a another season with a complete muppet like Marc anywhere near the club. He is a buffoon and I just hope any bid he is involved in doesn't involve him being anywhere near St Marys in any executive or administrative role.
doggface Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 DP, yes I am making assumptions on the so called mj bid, this is based on his past history. Im not focusing to much on what the echo is reporting because my news came very late last night. As I said Pinnacle fronted bid should be announced as prefered bidders this afternoon. Will supply initial funds this morning to keep club afloat until next stage dd is completed. I am very exicited by what I have heard & trust implicitly - I just hope it comes to fruition today which at this moment I have no reason to think it won't. obviously situation is fluid but I would be suprised if things have changed in the last 7 hours.
dubai_phil Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 DP, yes I am making assumptions on the so called mj bid, this is based on his past history. Im not focusing to much on what the echo is reporting because my news came very late last night. As I said Pinnacle fronted bid should be announced as prefered bidders this afternoon. Will supply initial funds this morning to keep club afloat until next stage dd is completed. I am very exicited by what I have heard & trust implicitly - I just hope it comes to fruition today which at this moment I have no reason to think it won't. obviously situation is fluid but I would be suprised if things have changed in the last 7 hours. If they can hit what sometimes on here seems to be a moving target then thank God for that. But remember that many salesmen are forced at some point in their careers to read Sun Tzu's the Art of War, and although I and many others doubt the ability of you know who to read, he isn't the brains behind the bid. I'm sure that book also has a prominent position in Fry's briefcase which is why it takes so long
miserableoldgit Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 I'm not sure I wouldn't want Saints to fold rather than the agony of a another season with a complete muppet like Marc anywhere near the club. He is a buffoon and I just hope any bid he is involved in doesn't involve him being anywhere near St Marys in any executive or administrative role. I think that this is a bit short-sighted. If (and it maybe a big if) the "MJ Bid" is accepted by Fry, then you have to assume it is the right bid. MJ may not have very good track record, but I assume that he is not putting any money in himself,and that he is just acting as an agent for those that are. The proof of any pudding is in the eating as they say and I think that Fry is probably good enough at his job to sort the wheat from the chaff (too many proverbs/metaphors - sorry) and accept the best bid. Let`s be honest, how many people thought that WGS was a good appointment when first announced? Now he is looked upon as a Demi-God! Let`s not do too much pre-judging.
egreog Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Still plenty time before the 21st D day to secure a buyer...........frankly the way it is sounding now, anyone would be welcome if it means keeping the thing afloat...........however the creditors may still find the sums offered unacceptable......right down to the wire I would think before there is either a positive outcome or end of the club
Tac-tics Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Could we do a Coventry & not hear any news till 3 minutes before our exsistance ceases?
northam soul Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Could we do a Coventry & not hear any news till 3 minutes before our exsistance ceases? Correct me if i am wrong but i thought they were saved from going into administration at the last minute which is a bit different
Badger Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Could we do a Coventry & not hear any news till 3 minutes before our exsistance ceases? Didn't realise it was that close to the wire. Middlesboro' were 30 minutes away from closure. Lets hope we don't go for breaking the record;the margin for error is slim and we'd inevitably balls it up.
Tac-tics Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Correct me if i am wrong but i thought they were saved from going into administration at the last minute which is a bit different No actually that makes more sense.
conaero Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 It might be good news that there has been a delay, maybe the 3rd party has come in with a last minute better offer, or a new outfit has emerged at the 11th hours? ...more likely MF hang out for more cash and playing one off against the other!
Weston Super Saint Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Well, at least, the Marc Jackson bid isnt a complete waste of time...Does Green have the financial muscle? I can't believe people are still able to entertain these thoughts
Weston Saint Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 There are a lot of assumptions on here. There is the assumption that because Jackson failed before he will fail again but he is only a small bit player overall. He won't mind me saying he is not the brains behind the operation. He is a facilitator/negotiator. Decisions are made by others. He was often on here giving it large. Not this time though. It is possible to learn from past mistakes. Jackson has certainly done that as far as I can tell. There is an assumption that if the bid is successful he will play a big role in the future of SFC. That is not my understanding. Whatever the outcome of their groups bid, whatever the outcome of the "Pinnacle" involvement or any other last minute interest all we want, and I include Green, Jackson, Le Tissier and Lynam in that, is the football club to have a future. Without all their interest and hard work it is unlikely we would still be debating a hope of a future. Let's not criticise any of their efforts. They are all giving up masses of time to achieve a positive end. Can any of the critics on here say the same?
miserableoldgit Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 It might be good news that there has been a delay, maybe the 3rd party has come in with a last minute better offer, or a new outfit has emerged at the 11th hours? ...more likely MF hang out for more cash and playing one off against the other! Echo does mention a third mystery bidder. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4366919.Still_talking_over_Saints/
Soggy Bottom Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 Echo does mention a third mystery bidder. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4366919.Still_talking_over_Saints/ Why are they waiting in the wings, are they not allowed to bid ?
Paul Chuckle Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 There are a lot of assumptions on here. There is the assumption that because Jackson failed before he will fail again but he is only a small bit player overall. He won't mind me saying he is not the brains behind the operation. He is a facilitator/negotiator. Decisions are made by others. He was often on here giving it large. Not this time though. It is possible to learn from past mistakes. Jackson has certainly done that as far as I can tell. There is an assumption that if the bid is successful he will play a big role in the future of SFC. That is not my understanding. Whatever the outcome of their groups bid, whatever the outcome of the "Pinnacle" involvement or any other last minute interest all we want, and I include Green, Jackson, Le Tissier and Lynam in that, is the football club to have a future. Without all their interest and hard work it is unlikely we would still be debating a hope of a future. Let's not criticise any of their efforts. They are all giving up masses of time to achieve a positive end. Can any of the critics on here say the same? agree 100 % weston some people will always find someone or something to moan about.
TNT Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 agree 100 % weston some people will always find someone or something to moan about. We have good bloody reason too ! Esp Jackson and Green.
Foxstone Posted 14 May, 2009 Posted 14 May, 2009 We have good bloody reason too ! Esp Jackson and Green. Weston is right.. On the flip side you would moan at anything.. Up The Saints !
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