70's Mike Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Chivers went there in '68, we got some money and Frank Saul! Bless em all Bless em all Ron Davies, Fred Kemp and Frank Saul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithinoz Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Frank Saul lived just down the road from us. My Mum used to think he would be better employed as a ballet dancer than a footballer. Does anyone remember the 4-4 boxing day game at White Hart Lane in the early eighties?. Archibald & Crookes up front for them. I think we came back from 2-0 and 4-2 down, with Moran & Wallace scoring 2 each? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 (edited) Hi David, appreciate what you said about Saints-Spurs encounters of the past (1930s, 50s & 60s) but as I think you said on an earlier thread they were top draw opponents and were the best team in London (and the country?) at that time. In a similar way, it could be argued we have had similar 'history' and 'rivalry' with Man Utd and Liverpool over the years when we played them; simply because they were the 'Big Guns' who suffered a few spankings down at the Dell (not forgetting '76). The point being though that aside from a few skirmishes with Spurs in the leagues over the years, THEY have never regarded US as rivals. From a personal point of view I have lived in traditionally strong supporting Spurs territories over the last 5 years (indeed am currently in an area that was known in the dim and distant past as 'South Tottenham') and have met and worked with many Spurs fans. At no point ever have they regarded Saints as any rivals, or mentioned us in any historical context. It was always, and always will be the Arse, Chelski and West Ham, along with the North West Giants. QUOTE] I missed the comment on the above. I'm sure modern day Spurs fans, don't think twice about Saints. These days there are more successful London sides. Arsenal (NEVER been out of the top division since 1921 and have been far more successful than Spurs ) - obviously see Spurs as THE North London derby game. Hence the movement of players between the two sides is often seen as some sort of teachery. (re: Sol Campbell example) in much the same way as players moving between Saints / Pompey. This has got out of proportion to some fans who example booed Peter Crouch when he first joined Saints - because he had at one time also played for Pompey. RIDICULOUS ! I'm sure PC could never guess that one day he might play for both teams when he was at Pompey ! To my mind the " forced transfer" or "defection " of a top player (ex. Ramsey, Chivers) from one club to the other obviously irritates some fans, but it surely stops there. Both Ron Davies and Mick Channon had a few games at Pompey at the end of their careers but I don't think most Saints fans saw it as treachery, or tarnishes their reputation. In every generation; opponents turn up, in special games that become legend. The prev-mentioned SF v. Man.U 1963 was a huge disappointment, as many fans thought we could (and should have)taken them out, too. More so when you recall that MU went on to win FA Cup, but then drew Saints at the Dell in the third round the following January. For Saints fans THAT game was our Cup Final, especially when we scored TWICE in the 44th minute right on HT ....but fell back on defence in the 2nd half and went on to lose 2-3...in the 85th minute. No wonder the epic 1976 Cup win had extra meaning for so many. ..and so it has continued. The Saints / Spurs "derbies" of the late 1940's created the legend, and the Ramsey, Chivers, Hoddle episodes only help perpetuate it for future generations. Many of todays fans often have little knowledge of the history of their clubs in bygone times. A quick survey might show that we have played ; Stoke, West Ham, Norwich, Coventry and West Brom. (just as often as Spurs or Man.U.).. but no such " legend " surrounds our meetings with those clubs. Edited 15 May, 2009 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Frank Saul lived just down the road from us. My Mum used to think he would be better employed as a ballet dancer than a footballer. Does anyone remember the 4-4 boxing day game at White Hart Lane in the early eighties?. Archibald & Crookes up front for them. I think we came back from 2-0 and 4-2 down, with Moran & Wallace scoring 2 each? Think you'll find it was Charlie George and Graham Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfnPanad Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 I know 2 Southampton-based Spurs fans who really really hate us - to the point where they'd rather beat us than Arsenal! As I only just snuck in as a product of the 70's I don't remember the early stuff but I do remember in the 90's my father & I watching us go 2-0 up in the Cup. He was so happy. Then the horror of Ronny Rosenthal's hattrick. That really cemented my dislike for Spurs. I agree with the opinion aboe that the Spurs fans are arrogant - the ones I know certainly dish it & can't take it back. Of course 'Arry being there now just rubs salt into the wound! Loved it when it looked like them and pompey could both be going down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 They also gazumped us in the signing of Do*****z in the mid 90's. Although he was rubbish when he came to the Dell I remember lots of abuse to him in particular and spurs in general. Actually, I seem to remember Dominguez (assuming that's who you mean) scoring an absoulte screamer against us in 1997/98. Looked a good player. Was the first game I ever saw us win live, 3-2 If I recall correctly. Great game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 I don't particularly care for Spurs, but there's easily a dozen clubs I dislike more, and most people are the same as far as I know. And our nearest rivals are now Bournemouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 I've lived within 2 miles of WHL for the last 15 years. We're not even on their radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Duncan made the point that 100 years ago we were two of the best teams around at the time and Saints had a far superior record against both Pompey and Spurs. When the new leagues were created in 1921, Saints moved up from Div 3 South to Div 2 and stayed there for over 30 years. Spurs and later Pompey moved up to Div.1 ...so the " derby games " were few and far between. Spurs were a bit if a yo-yo side in the 1930's and we played then often then, but derby games v. Pompey only occured in Cup matches. As someone else stated it wasn't unusual for fans to watch Saints one week and Pompey the next - there seemed to be little antagonsim between fans as the clubs rarely met, and many wartime players had played for both sides at one time or another and were good friends. Fans travelling to away games in those days was not as common as now....few had cars, very slow train services, etc.. no extra busses at the grounds etc. In short - our closest " top class " opponents in the 1930's / 1940's were Spurs, and that was (my Dad said) the big game of the season, and many travelled to London for the famous game at WHL in April 1949 which saw Charlie Wayman score Saints goal (won 1-0) with a gate of over 69,000+ but Wayman was injured and didn't play again that season, we went into freefall and missed promotion by one point. The rest I wrote about earlier. In the 1960's there was no Spurs, but Pompey had been relegated and we had several seasons of " local, but not very friendly " derby games. Football hooliganism was rife, and our derby games with Pompey were all out war sometimes. Young winger Terry Paine was at his peak, but marked (literally) in derbies by Pompeys LB Roy Lunnis. A 6' 4" ex-marine, he wasn't noted for his skill but his hard play. He stood head and shoulders over TP - who wasn't afraid of a punch-up, even from the likes of Lunnis, and there were a few bookings / sendings off. The on-the-field violence naturally spread to the fans. Hence the dislike of Pompey that wasn't there before, but the memories and the ritual hatred (sadly) continues to this day. The three matches v. Notts Forest (a good Div.1 side then) were legend. I saw the Dell (1st replay) when we came back from 0-3 ..with only 17 mins. left ..to 3-3 ...but couldn't finish the job even in extra time. The 2nd replay had to be a neutral ground, and Spurs failed to realise the interest in the game which was a midweek replay between two clubs far from London. There were some "locals" in the ground, but varying reports say 25,000+ Saints travelled to WHL for the evening kick-off. There were no extra trains, and many more travelled by car to London. Spurs didn't have stewards for all the turnstiles - many of which remained locked, and long queues formed outside those that were open. Some people didn't get into the ground until half a hour after the kick-off and late-comers were still arriving even after HT. The official gate was: 42,256 but it was estimated that there were several thousands more listening outside who couldn't get into the locked areas of the ground when those that were open were already full to capacity. The game of course was a classic. Saints carried on where they left off the prev.week and took Forest by storm. Two goals in 5 mins. before HT (2-0) and three more in the second half saw us run out 5-0 winners. M.O.M was Saints midfield dynamo Ken Wimshurst played his best match ever, scored a goal a great goal and Burnside and O'Brien got two each. (The SF game at Villa Park v. Man Utd was a great anti-climax. neither team could put two passes together and M.U. won 1-0 when Denis Law scored, after missing a cross into the box with his head, the ball fell to his feet and he had two goes at it to beat the grounded Reynolds in the Saints goal.) Ah !.. memories, memories.... I can remember several Pompey fans back in the 70's who had season tickets for the Dell and Fratton. Don't recall hearing of it from the late seventies onwards though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 May, 2009 Share Posted 15 May, 2009 Our rivalry with TH finished after we beat them 3-1 at WHL and got Hoddle sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 May, 2009 Share Posted 16 May, 2009 I can remember several Pompey fans back in the 70's who had season tickets for the Dell and Fratton. Don't recall hearing of it from the late seventies onwards though..... .......I guess because for most of that time we were in different divisions and the clubs hardly met at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 16 May, 2009 Share Posted 16 May, 2009 i've got to admit i hate spurs, but only because their fans are such arrogant ****s. I can honestly say i've never met a spurs fan i like as a person, in fact i've met more skates i like than spurs. Don't know why it is, but it seems they attract people with serious character flaws. As for AFCB, i like them and want them to do well. Guess that's the same as many saints really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 17 May, 2009 Share Posted 17 May, 2009 i've got to admit i hate spurs, but only because their fans are such arrogant ****s. I can honestly say i've never met a spurs fan i like as a person, in fact i've met more skates i like than spurs. Don't know why it is, but it seems they attract people with serious character flaws. As for AFCB, i like them and want them to do well. Guess that's the same as many saints really AGREED ..we haven't played AFC B for 50 years (in old Div-3 South) but I think, many Saints fans have a soft spot for them ..even if they were moved into the next county some decades ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 17 May, 2009 Share Posted 17 May, 2009 This thread reminds me of people trying to trace the rivalry between us and Pompey. Various theories are out there (including a ridiculous one about a docks strike), but the fact is it is all bullsh*t. I know a lot of people around my dad's generation who used to go and watch both teams, depending on who was at home. The rivalry never really started until the advent of the knuckle dragging hooligans and their need to hit people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 17 May, 2009 Share Posted 17 May, 2009 Our rivalry with Pompey is massive. No two ways about it. Bournemouth despise us but they're not even on our radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 17 May, 2009 Share Posted 17 May, 2009 Our rivalry with Pompey is massive. No two ways about it. Bournemouth despise us but they're not even on our radar. Being from Bournemouth know plenty of their fans who actually like saints, though a few do hate us yes, though not like the skates hate us..Bournemouth aren't too far off our radar now are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 17 May, 2009 Share Posted 17 May, 2009 Got nothing against Spurs personally. I'd rather see them win something than any of the current top four. Whenever I watched them they always seem to try and play decent football. Biggest mistake they've made in recent years is not giving Martin Jol enough time. He was doing a decent job and should have never been replaced by Ramos. As for 'Arry, he's done well this season. Probably because he's been backed by the Chairman and left alone to do the job. Maybe if RL hadn't interferred so much and allowed HR to do what he does, then we wouldn't be in the position we're in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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