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Not really. Fry's job is to get as much money for the creditors as possible. He is perfectly within his rights to hold out for money and do everything he can to achieve a maximum return. In doing this there is potentially a situation where he could annoy a bidder who eventually pulls out or lowers their original bid. It's a plausible scenario and one that hopefully will not happen.

 

Both nickh and you are taking a lot of stick on this thread, mainly I'm sure down to how frustrated we all are with the predicament the club we love is in.

 

Seriously though, the scenario above would paint Mr Fry in a particularly unprofessional light and I would suggest you stop from pursuing this line. Mr Fry is accountable to the creditors, if he ****es off a potential buyer I'm sure the creditors will hear about it in due course.

 

Meanwhile, if a potential bidder is acting as unrealistically as you suggest then frankly we don't need them at our club.

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You said Nicks opinion was based on nothing like facts. His opinion was that the one bid we currently have could potentially be put off by Fry delaying/moving the goalposts. This is information and FACTS which you can gain through knowing the people involved. You don't have to know everything or be in Frys team to find something like that out.

It isn't facts at all - just a theory based on the very limited information that is "out in the open" (if we can trust that, which I doubt) at the moment. The only person who knows all of the facts is Mr. Fry. Fact.

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Both nickh and you are taking a lot of stick on this thread, mainly I'm sure down to how frustrated we all are with the predicament the club we love is in.

 

Seriously though, the scenario above would paint Mr Fry in a particularly unprofessional light and I would suggest you stop from pursuing this line. Mr Fry is accountable to the creditors, if he ****es off a potential buyer I'm sure the creditors will hear about it in due course.

 

Meanwhile, if a potential bidder is acting as unrealistically as you suggest then frankly we don't need them at our club.

 

I just don't thinks its fair to have a go at people for holding a different opinion. As I have said previously, Nick has certain contacts and tries to share what he can. I can stomach most of it but hen people just dismiss it as ridiculous that annoys me, especially when I believe it is anything but.

 

With regards your second point, if a bidder does act unrealistically and pulls out he could have potentially be our ONLY bidder. Then we are left with nothing and the club folds. Far better to have an unrealistic bidder runing the club than no club at all I would have thought. Any way, I think the MLT bid is the one in pole position. I hope they can finalise their bid either today or tomorrow and this conversation will be meaningless. One thing I will say is that people need to be read a bit more and don't be so quick to criticise or poke fun. Like it or not some posters are involved in this and do know people actually making a bid (I don't include myself in this!). Lets hope we get taken over by the end of the week xxx:smt060 Love to you all.

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I have never posted on UI and dont intend to thankyou.

You again can make your own assertions and speculation.

Fry is the only person who knows all the facts.

i have made my concerns known as I am concerned that by waiting we may lose the only bid we have on the table at present.he may well be confident of another and he rightly will decide in his own time.That does not stop me from considering if we are left with no bidders the implications of that.

Iam not saying Im in the know, I just had heard something that disturbed me and voiced it on here. If i know something is certain I will say so.

 

This thread is entitled:

 

"Fry fiddles (not in the corrupt sense) while Rome burns "

 

not

 

"Nick is concerned that Fry fiddles (not in the corrupt sense) while Rome burns".

 

Slightly misleading don't you think?

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I just don't thinks its fair to have a go at people for holding a different opinion. As I have said previously, Nick has certain contacts and tries to share what he can. I can stomach most of it but hen people just dismiss it as ridiculous that annoys me, especially when I believe it is anything but.

 

With regards your second point, if a bidder does act unrealistically and pulls out he could have potentially be our ONLY bidder. Then we are left with nothing and the club folds. Far better to have an unrealistic bidder runing the club than no club at all I would have thought. Any way, I think the MLT bid is the one in pole position. I hope they can finalise their bid either today or tomorrow and this conversation will be meaningless. One thing I will say is that people need to be read a bit more and don't be so quick to criticise or poke fun. Like it or not some posters are involved in this and do know people actually making a bid (I don't include myself in this!). Lets hope we get taken over by the end of the week xxx:smt060 Love to you all.

 

 

I dont understand what your opinion is.

 

Most people are saying let Fry get on with his job

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It isn't facts at all - just a theory based on the very limited information that is "out in the open" (if we can trust that, which I doubt) at the moment. The only person who knows all of the facts is Mr. Fry. Fact.

 

So hypothetically I know one of the bidders personally. The personally tell me that they have made a bid and are getting a bit fed up by some of Mark Fr's behaviour. That isn't a fact if I then report that that is what they said? No saying that happened but I hope my point is clearer now.

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This thread is entitled:

 

"Fry fiddles (not in the corrupt sense) while Rome burns "

 

not

 

"Nick is concerned that Fry fiddles (not in the corrupt sense) while Rome burns".

 

Slightly misleading don't you think?

 

He starts his opening post with "To me" seems pretty obvious I would think.

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If buyer was our ONLY bidder then:

 

a) we would more than likely be ruined in the long run by this unprofessional outfit

b) Mr Fry would know not to pish him/her/them off

3) don't be offended when you put up inflamatory remarks and people do not agree with them.

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If buyer was our ONLY bidder then:

 

a) we would more than likely be ruined in the long run by this unprofessional outfit

 

That isn't certain and I would rather take a punt than admit defeat.

 

b) Mr Fry would know not to pish him/her/them off

 

But that's the whole point. If he thinks he can get a better buyer and then they pull out we could be in a tricky situation.

 

3) don't be offended when you put up inflamatory remarks and people do not agree with them.

 

No problem at all with people disagreeing and can also handle some of the abuse. Quite a bit goes over the top though. You can disagree with people without resorting to some of the stuff here. It means we can't really have a sensible discussion and that's sad and will just restrict people to PM.

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I just don't thinks its fair to have a go at people for holding a different opinion.
What has fairness got to do with it though? Surely if you want to pipe up and start a thread (or post a response) then you do so in the sure and certain knowledge that some people will agree with you and some most definitely will not. More so if you post an "opinion" rather than a "fact". Some will express themselves more colourfully than others but that is what these forums are mostly all about. The premise of this thread IMHO is nonsense, but the fact that it has generated so many posts still makes it a good thread from a forum perspective.
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This thread is entitled:

 

"Fry fiddles (not in the corrupt sense) while Rome burns "

 

not

 

"Nick is concerned that Fry fiddles (not in the corrupt sense) while Rome burns".

 

Slightly misleading don't you think?

I think the mods should get the editing brush out.

Nick is concerned that fry etc etc

Fitzhugh Fella wonders if saints are waiting for Godot

Guided Missile advises you not to read the Echo tonight

Lol

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Bear in mind that Mr Fry is trying to do in two months, what previous execs and board members failed to do in 2 - 3 years, find a suitable buyer for the club. Let's cut him some slack eh?

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Right then, time for a leak.

 

Don't worry I got my tin hat out the attic, bit dusty but what the heck.

 

Just had a call from MJ who many will know was at the football match last week talking "carefully" to many of us who has told me the following two interesting bits of information.

Personally I HATE the thought of posting this sort of stuff, but then I thought actually it isn't earth shattering and also is in some ways re-assuring.

 

1) Apparently, his name is not on any bid that has been presented to Fry

2) The group that he is "assisting" submitted a bid on Friday in writing, it has not been withdrawn.

 

Now on top of that input, I would then offer an opinion, which is that I would assume that the offer was not at the level that Fry wished to see, but also interestingly, the phrase "still on the table" indicates to me that maybe there is some insurance sitting there in case Fry's meeting doesn't go too well today.

 

So there you go, a snippet and a source and nothing too controversial. I'm off to cook Sweet & Sour Pork for dinner

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Bear in mind that Mr Fry is trying to do in two months, what previous execs and board members failed to do in 2 - 3 years, find a suitable buyer for the club. Let's cut him some slack eh?

 

Not really, it's like selling an ugly pair of curtains. The old boards were trying to sell them at full price, Mr Fry is selling them in a bargain basement clearance

sale. The object is the same, the sale conditions aren't.

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From someone who has an avatar depicting The Smiths lol. Shouldnt you be on the Samaritans site instead of this one?

 

What an absolutely ridiculous response.

 

What is interesting is that on this thread there are a couple of people complaining that they are being insulted or abused, whereas I think you'll notice that they have mainly initiated the abuse by jumping on anyone who disagrees with their opinion with a load of childish abuse (see above).

 

Now, stop deviating the course of this thread with a load of rubbish just to up your already exorbitant post count.

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What has fairness got to do with it though? Surely if you want to pipe up and start a thread (or post a response) then you do so in the sure and certain knowledge that some people will agree with you and some most definitely will not. More so if you post an "opinion" rather than a "fact". Some will express themselves more colourfully than others but that is what these forums are mostly all about. The premise of this thread IMHO is nonsense, but the fact that it has generated so many posts still makes it a good thread from a forum perspective.

I appreciate Hypo defending me from some abuse but i can take it. If by Fry holding on for offers that may or may not appear and then get less for his client or even lose the initial offer and so left with nothing,it is fair to say he Fiddled while Rome burned. The actual posts I have had in reply has surprised me a bit.It is though i have s####ed the family pet.

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Right then, time for a leak.

 

Don't worry I got my tin hat out the attic, bit dusty but what the heck.

 

Just had a call from MJ who many will know was at the football match last week talking "carefully" to many of us who has told me the following two interesting bits of information.

Personally I HATE the thought of posting this sort of stuff, but then I thought actually it isn't earth shattering and also is in some ways re-assuring.

 

1) Apparently, his name is not on any bid that has been presented to Fry

2) The group that he is "assisting" submitted a bid on Friday in writing, it has not been withdrawn.

 

Now on top of that input, I would then offer an opinion, which is that I would assume that the offer was not at the level that Fry wished to see, but also interestingly, the phrase "still on the table" indicates to me that maybe there is some insurance sitting there in case Fry's meeting doesn't go too well today.

 

So there you go, a snippet and a source and nothing too controversial. I'm off to cook Sweet & Sour Pork for dinner

 

Sorry Phil but if a group that Wacko is assisting is our salvation it isn't even slightly reassuring. Anyone who takes him seriously cannot be a serious contender. (I'm assuming you mean that their offer was below expectations but is still on the table.)

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Sorry Phil but if a group that Wacko is assisting is our salvation it isn't even slightly reassuring. Anyone who takes him seriously cannot be a serious contender. (I'm assuming you mean that their offer was below expectations but is still on the table.)

 

Perhaps Jacko has assisted so many groups by now that he's got the hang of it.

 

When LLS was supposedly ITK wasn't his pitch that he was trying to sell Lowe's shares on a commission basis? I'm afraid that it might be the other way round now.

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This forum shouldn't be about abusing others for having a different opinion.
Come on now - have you never given anyone any grief on this forum? I can't see anything that could be considered abuse - and whatever there has been seems to have been reciprocated as far as I can see (i.e. comments about avatars). Get off your high horse.
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Right then, time for a leak.

 

Don't worry I got my tin hat out the attic, bit dusty but what the heck.

 

Just had a call from MJ who many will know was at the football match last week talking "carefully" to many of us who has told me the following two interesting bits of information.

Personally I HATE the thought of posting this sort of stuff, but then I thought actually it isn't earth shattering and also is in some ways re-assuring.

 

1) Apparently, his name is not on any bid that has been presented to Fry

2) The group that he is "assisting" submitted a bid on Friday in writing, it has not been withdrawn.

 

Now on top of that input, I would then offer an opinion, which is that I would assume that the offer was not at the level that Fry wished to see, but also interestingly, the phrase "still on the table" indicates to me that maybe there is some insurance sitting there in case Fry's meeting doesn't go too well today.

 

So there you go, a snippet and a source and nothing too controversial. I'm off to cook Sweet & Sour Pork for dinner

 

Forget your Sweet & Sour (although probably apt given the current predicament at Saints) I think you'll probably be inundated with more questions now.

 

Interesting though that the Echo appear to have got that one wildly out of proportion as well. Just goes to show the quality of some of the information that we are trying to decypher at the moment. I have been very critical of MJ in the past and I stand by all that I have said, however I appreciate that his heart is in the right place and his intentions are honourable. That said - I really do not think that he is the man for us.

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What an absolutely ridiculous response.

 

What is interesting is that on this thread there are a couple of people complaining that they are being insulted or abused, whereas I think you'll notice that they have mainly initiated the abuse by jumping on anyone who disagrees with their opinion with a load of childish abuse (see above).

 

Now, stop deviating the course of this thread with a load of rubbish just to up your already exorbitant post count.

Thankyou Miss Outraged of Tunbridge Wells

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Come on now - have you never given anyone any grief on this forum? I can't see anything that could be considered abuse - and whatever there has been seems to have been reciprocated as far as I can see (i.e. comments about avatars). Get off your high horse.
As I say i dont think it is abusive perhaps bad manners or slightly offensive. I dont take umbridge .Most on here are fellow Saints fans, quite a few of the people disrespecting my initial post are fairly new on here though.
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Forget your Sweet & Sour (although probably apt given the current predicament at Saints) I think you'll probably be inundated with more questions now.

 

Interesting though that the Echo appear to have got that one wildly out of proportion as well. Just goes to show the quality of some of the information that we are trying to decypher at the moment. I have been very critical of MJ in the past and I stand by all that I have said, however I appreciate that his heart is in the right place and his intentions are honourable. That said - I really do not think that he is the man for us.

 

but i think Phils point is MJ is not the man. he may have found the person/persons interested.I myself have not got off my a### to get anybody at all interested and i suspect that less than a handfull on here have either. All the posters who have been full of derision are sitting behind their computers waiting for it to happen. I think it is a bit rich to totally tear MJ to pieces as he has at least got somebody to bid. it takes some work to do so I expect and we should give some respect of his efforts. We seem in the main to respect Fry and so why are some questioning him listening to MJ's people?? Has he become a fool all of a sudden because he has accepted/ spoken to MJ's contact?

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but i think Phils point is MJ is not the man. he may have found the person/persons interested.I myself have not got off my a### to get anybody at all interested and i suspect that less than a handfull on here have either. All the posters who have been full of derision are sitting behind their computers waiting for it to happen. I think it is a bit rich to totally tear MJ to pieces as he has at least got somebody to bid. it takes some work to do so I expect and we should give some respect of his efforts. We seem in the main to respect Fry and so why are some questioning him listening to MJ's people?? Has he become a fool all of a sudden because he has accepted/ spoken to MJ's contact?

 

Whilst I agree with your points about who has done what in order to try to make a difference to the current Saints predicament. I'm afraid that MJ was / is the archetect of his own downfall. When you consider the posts and claims that he has made here and on the AFCB site, you can hardly blame people for doubting his work ethics.

 

A good facilitator MJ may be - but perhaps he would be wise to stick to that and let the professional football people concentrate on the more important issues.

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Of course I give him a chance but the clock is ticking.Allegedly there has been an offer on the table for a while.Now of course it may be derisory, sometimes in life your first offer is your best offer. From my experience in retailing the worlds best buyers appear when there is a sold ticket on item if it is a one off. The minute you say 'well I think the person who was buying it has changed their minds' they are off like a shot.

Mark Fry has to get his best price i agree but he also may lose the opportunity to get any buyer. We have been on the market for some weeks now and have whittled it down to perhaps 2. I hope our complacency does not cost us in the long run.

 

Good post, Nickh, and I agree with you. In my simple mind, he is an estate agent trying to sell your house. Offers don't stay on the market for long and need to be accepted or swiftly re-negotiated in the hope of a slightly higher offer. Like you, I'm concerned those who have made an offer will withdraw their interest. I still feel this should like an ebay auction - with a definite offer period, best offer on the table at deadline wins. Not sure if we/he is moving forward on this. Some talk today that there will be an announcement in the next 24 hours. Certainly a statement of where he is with this would help us all to get back onside.

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Whilst I agree with your points about who has done what in order to try to make a difference to the current Saints predicament. I'm afraid that MJ was / is the archetect of his own downfall. When you consider the posts and claims that he has made here and on the AFCB site, you can hardly blame people for doubting his work ethics.

 

A good facilitator MJ may be - but perhaps he would be wise to stick to that and let the professional football people concentrate on the more important issues.

 

Important answers to follow on questions

 

Pork is banned in Saudi, Kuwait and Sharjah here in the Emirates, but it is sold in most supermarkets (unless they are French) Some issues at the moment on import of new supplies in case they get infected by pig flu.

 

As Micky may have spotted, I give an analogy - Mat Le Tiss was a brilliant footballer. Having 10 of him in your team may work, but having him as a goalkeeper may not work even though he always wanted to play there, just needs people to tell him where to play for the benefit of the team.

 

It has been made very clear on a number of times to his face (rather than hiding behind a keyboard) that he was a total moronic w*nker with the Bournemouth thing and his public persona.

 

Nobody has yet asked the real question which is who and what has he actually found/stumbled across/conned/sold to? and unfortunately it will never be answered unless his group wins.

Everyone is too ready to cast the first stone (rightly so with the facts at their disposal about him). Many would look pretty darned silly if it was a local version of Paul Allen (but then it likely isn't and anyway nobody would believe it anyway!):p

 

And of course the other question - who leaked his name to the Echo and why the whole front page treatment and who gained from that?

Was it just co-incidence it happened the day Fry was discussing a bid? Did it actually fit with everything else that group has done in terms of keeping below the radar?

 

Anyway most importantly the stir fry was great - Blue Dragon sauces are magical, now off to watch Battlestar Galactica boxed DVD set, back in about 6 weeks:o:grin:

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Pork is banned in Saudi, Kuwait and Sharjah here in the Emirates, but it is sold in most supermarkets (unless they are French) Some issues at the moment on import of new supplies in case they get infected by pig flu.

 

You can't catch Swine Flu from eating the flesh. Idiots.

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I haven't understood why French supermarkets don't sell pork either. They do in France,in fact it's about the most common meat.

 

Indeed, this is more confusing than the whole administration thing.

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You can't catch Swine Flu from eating the flesh. Idiots.

 

I'll pass your thoughts on to the relevant authorities for you, I'm sure they'll appreciate that;)

 

Dubya's 9/11 revenge, fly back here and sneeze..... you have ANY idea how upset the locals would be at getting infected by a pig?

 

And no we have no idea why Carrefour & Geant don't have Pork sections when Spinneys, Choithrams, Park & Shop and Waitrose do.

 

Oh and why is anyone confused about the French? Thought we all understood their place in society

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I'll pass your thoughts on to the relevant authorities for you, I'm sure they'll appreciate that;)

 

Dubya's 9/11 revenge, fly back here and sneeze..... you have ANY idea how upset the locals would be at getting infected by a pig?

 

And no we have no idea why Carrefour & Geant don't have Pork sections when Spinneys, Choithrams, Park & Shop and Waitrose do.

 

Oh and why is anyone confused about the French? Thought we all understood their place in society

 

 

Have they got one?

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I'll pass your thoughts on to the relevant authorities for you, I'm sure they'll appreciate that;)

 

Dubya's 9/11 revenge, fly back here and sneeze..... you have ANY idea how upset the locals would be at getting infected by a pig?

 

And no we have no idea why Carrefour & Geant don't have Pork sections when Spinneys, Choithrams, Park & Shop and Waitrose do.

 

Oh and why is anyone confused about the French? Thought we all understood their place in society

 

I've got a few shares in Carrefour, I'll bring it up at the next AGM.;)

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Not really, it's like selling an ugly pair of curtains. The old boards were trying to sell them at full price, Mr Fry is selling them in a bargain basement clearance

sale. The object is the same, the sale conditions aren't.

 

Really - it's still a very expensive set of curtains even at the bargain basement price!! The point is there is a very small market to sell football clubs to.

 

Perhaps Jacko has assisted so many groups by now that he's got the hang of it.

 

lol - reminds of a certain football club chairman who finally got it right after he appointed Strachan - he followed that up with his next appointment.....oh.

 

 

At the end of the day, Fry is doing his job & getting on with it. He will have known by talking to all of the interested groups where they currently stand. Nick, I understand your concerns about the one & only bid walking away but I'm sure Fry will know there are better bids about to unfold - hopefully tomorrow will see the start of the endgame.

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So hypothetically I know one of the bidders personally. The personally tell me that they have made a bid and are getting a bit fed up by some of Mark Fr's behaviour. That isn't a fact if I then report that that is what they said? No saying that happened but I hope my point is clearer now.

Oh lordy, how many times. It's A fact, without doubt, but not ALL of the facts. Unless you are friends with all interested parties, and have been told all of the salient information of each bid. Hypothetically speaking of course.

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Have they got one?

 

lol

 

Don't get me started, I'm relatively PC normally, but Armageddon with Bruce Willis always brings a cheer to me.....

 

When Paris gets splatted

 

And PLEASE Windows do bring it up, while they are at it they should apply for a booze licence as well so we can buy beer that isn;t 6 quid a pint

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http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4364179.Talks_held_up_again_in_twist_in_takeover/

 

Well, somehow we sort of guessed this might happen. As Pinnacle seem to have done most of their stuff in the media spotlight, wonder when they'll make a statement

They and their supporters seem to have gone remarkably quiet!

 

Perhaps they do not see Wednesday and the new Friday.

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This thread highlights the difference between football fans and the stupid, nothing.

 

The consortiums bidding for SFC will obviously wait until the last moment to buy because all the pressure is on the seller and they (the buyer) will want the best possible price. Fry has a hard job on his hands but he will be very used to this.

You are a football fan, welcome to he club Le Goddard.

Yeah they will wait until the last minute......ohhh too late they have been liquidated

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Nice to see some other respected posters on here are backing Nick's view. But then we are idiotic so clearly don't matter.

 

Sorry Nick's view appears to be wrong as Fry is busy working on a plan to sell SFC

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