PaulSaint Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Never really seen it, what can we expect compared to the Championship? Is it lump & foul football or silky smooth but slowwww? Also what team makeup do you need to win it?
Griffo Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Pretty much the same as The Championship. You need to mix it up a bit. Meaning not all pretty football but not all hoofball playing with English brick ****houses. You still need pacey or skillful players because the actual quality of the football in League One from what I have seen is relatively poor.
SuperMikey Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 If you really want to see what L1 football is like, watch the end of the Leeds vs Millwall game on Sky Sports 1 now. Seems to be very physical, but Leeds seem to have done well with their sexy football this season, so maybe it's not all hoofball.
trousers Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Never really seen it, what can we expect compared to the Championship? Is it lump & foul football or silky smooth but slowwww? Also what team makeup do you need to win it? It's a bit like Dutch Division 2 I believe.....now, what managers do we know of who have experience of that....?
Saintandy666 Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 I'm gonna go for even fatter bulkier lumps of defender to push everyone around than what is in the championship. I don't think a team of thinner, nimble players will do. The team is gonna need alot of strong players, with several experienced members to guide it through. Midfield is going to be less important in my opinion. Up front, you will need someone who can shoot on target most of the time and finish the majority of those shots, skill is less important. I would imagine alot of the tactics will be hoof the ball up the pitch, so someone who can win in the air would be good as well.
Flyer Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 99% hoofball, even more physical than the CCC. They make Derby and Watford look like Man U and Arsenal. The refs are also worse too.
trousers Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Will our 'billiard table' pitch be to our advantage or our downfall, I wonder?
Toadhall Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 I'm gonna go for even fatter bulkier lumps of defender to push everyone around than what is in the championship. I don't think a team of thinner, nimble players will do. The team is gonna need alot of strong players, with several experienced members to guide it through. Midfield is going to be less important in my opinion. Up front, you will need someone who can shoot on target most of the time and finish the majority of those shots, skill is less important. I would imagine alot of the tactics will be hoof the ball up the pitch, so someone who can win in the air would be good as well. I think getting shots on target and finishing the majority of them is a very sought after skill? Which IMO is very important.
Saintandy666 Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 I think getting shots on target and finishing the majority of them is a very sought after skill? Which IMO is very important. I'm talking about fairy football, with all the pretty little foot overs and whatever is less important.
buctootim Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Fit but not very skilful players. Lots of running, chasing and pressing to get the ball and then either hoofing it goalwards or passing it back to the opposition.
Genk Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Went to Brighton Vs Swindon a few weeks ago and alot of the play is in the air...quite scrappy and physical as others have said on this thread. Some neat football played at times but you need that balance of very strong CB's and then skillfull wingers.
lordswoodsaints Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Never really seen it, what can we expect compared to the Championship? Is it lump & foul football or silky smooth but slowwww? Also what team makeup do you need to win it? I'd say at least as bad as the championship if not worse. If you are not pushing for promotion then expect a tedious harsh winter in windswept old grounds with bad facilities. Even if we are pushing for promotion it is no guarantee that you will see decent football.unless we get a decent injection of cash we will become just another crap team in a crap league,we need to start fighting our corner from the off and we must not become the whipping boys otherwise we will quickly be dragged into another delegation battle and we all know how quickly that can happen.
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Never really seen it, what can we expect compared to the Championship? Is it lump & foul football or silky smooth but slowwww? Also what team makeup do you need to win it? Put it this way. Our team of this season would struggle to stay in League 1, based on a couple of games I have seen at strugglers Swindon. The players we have do 2 things well and one thing badly. In League 1 the average is 3 things well one thing badly.
Micky Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Fit but not very skilful players. Lots of running, chasing and pressing to get the ball and then either hoofing it goalwards or passing it back to the opposition. Yep - would agree with most of that. Much hustle and bustle, often without any end product whatsoever - we should fit right in I reckon...!!
benjii Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 (edited) Put it this way. Our team of this season would struggle to stay in League 1, based on a couple of games I have seen at strugglers Swindon. The players we have do 2 things well and one thing badly. In League 1 the average is 3 things well one thing badly. I generally disagree. Used to watch Forest a few times in League 1 and it was, mostly, rubbish. The only concern is that pace and height are important and we don't really have any at the moment. Our players are perfectly good enough though. Indeed, they are mostly good enough for the Championship. They have suffered this season from a lack of balance, tactical misdirection and ****-poor management in general. The likes of James, Holmes, McGoldrick, Lallana and Surman have far more ability than most in League 1. McClaggon and Thomson could also have an important part to play. Wayne Thomas, of our current squad, could be key if retained (although I appreciate he is apparently on silly wages). Edited 9 May, 2009 by benjii
BotleySaint Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Leeds seem to have done well with their sexy football this season, so maybe it's not all hoofball. Eh? Leeds played hoofball for the entire game against Millwall and rightly got nothing out of it. I've seen a bit of League 1 and the quality is often lacking so anyone who can string a few passes together and get balls into the box stands a chance. Strength is probably more important than pace for the majority though in my opinion.
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 I generally disagree. Used to watch Forest a few times in League 1 and it was, mostly, rubbish. The only concern is that pace is important and we don't really have any at the moment. Our players are perfectly good enough though. Indeed, they are mostly good enough for the Championship. They have suffered this season from a lack of balance, tactical misdirection and ****-poor management in general. As I say benjii - based on our current team's performance, I should have included 'and manager' but I thought that was implied! Sack Wotte and we might not relegate to League 2, but we need more than those in the current squad WHO WILL STAY to get out of League 1.
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 The refs are also worse too. Important point that. That is very frustrating.
SuperMikey Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Eh? Leeds played hoofball for the entire game against Millwall and rightly got nothing out of it. I've seen a bit of League 1 and the quality is often lacking so anyone who can string a few passes together and get balls into the box stands a chance. Strength is probably more important than pace for the majority though in my opinion. Pardon me, I meant Millwall. They played a good passing game and rightly got the 3 points out of it, while Leeds hoofed the ball up towards Beckford and hoped for the best. I don't like not having an edit button on my posts
Chorlton Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Swansea, Forest & Donny all managed promotion last season playing decent football, so not sure it is all physical stuff. But I don't think our team, from 0809 would be much better than mid table at best.
SaintDonkey Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Crap football, noddy clubs, and noddy fans. We'll fit right in then
Ziggy Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Crap. Just watched Millwall v Leeds and wasn't impressed.
Window Cleaner Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Loads of goals, nigh on 3 per game. teams averages 62+ goals each last season. Only 3 teams scored less than our 46 goals and 14 teams scored over 60 goals. Needs strikers badly.
Leslie Charteris Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Didn't Bristol Rovers give us a good demo of League One football a little while ago? We'll also need at least 60 points next season just to survive.
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Didn't Bristol Rovers give us a good demo of League One football a little while ago? We'll also need at least 60 points next season just to survive. I spotted that fact a couple of days ago too and it worries me given our current set up. God I hope Fry gets this club sold quickly and we get funding and a decent manager in soon.
spyinthesky Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 We lost at Brizzle Rovs last year and Rotherham this year, albeit cup games Difficult to second guess as none of us know what players we will have
70's Mike Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Fit but not very skilful players. Lots of running, chasing and pressing to get the ball and then either hoofing it goalwards or passing it back to the opposition. about right , to be successful you need to be able to defend set pieces and have someone who can score 20 to 30 goals in a season
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 We lost at Brizzle Rovs last year and Rotherham this year, albeit cup games Difficult to second guess as none of us know what players we will have .... or more importantly who the manager will be.
70's Mike Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 .... or more importantly who the manager will be. Alan Knill from Bury
Amesbury Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 as long as we are winning who cares about the standard of football
70's Mike Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 as long as we are winning who cares about the standard of football there were some who like the sideways football at the beginning of the season, they said the results would come. Well they did , we lost most
Ponty Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Skill will always beat hulking lumps of players playing hoofball.
Amesbury Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 there were some who like the sideways football at the beginning of the season, they said the results would come. Well they did , we lost most agreed I would be very happy if we are top of the league and everybody is criticising us for poor quality aggressive football. we can play nice football when we are in the World Club Final!
Amesbury Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Skill will always beat hulking lumps of players playing hoofball. perhaps in the long term but lets just batter them and win ugly next season
Dr Who? Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Well I have watched the S****horpe v MK Dons game, and today the Millwall v Leeds game and if this is anything to go by well it is not up to much! Saying that just watching the Reading game and that is borning to. Weird as the playoffs are normally brilliant! Hmmm
70's Mike Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Skill will always beat hulking lumps of players playing hoofball. if only that was true
aintforever Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 My mate from Bournemouth reckons most League 1 sides try to play decent footie.
70's Mike Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 My mate from Bournemouth reckons most League 1 sides try to play decent footie. Try being the word
Under Weststand Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Watched a lot of Stockport County this year & on the whole most of the teams have tried to play football, there are a lot of big strong athletic teams who bullied Stockport out of games the 2nd half of the season. You need to be able to mix it up with some Football & also a more direct Quick game & I don't just mean hoofing it playing the channels in behind the defences. Stockport were 1 dimensional this year with Gannon insisting that they played keep ball & possession football. 1st half of the season it worked as the teams came out & tried to play open football leaving plenty of room for the passing game to thrive, but once they'd sussed them out 2nd half of the season they sat back & let County play in there own half & pressed them on the ball till it was lost & then hit them on the break. So from what I've seen of Saints on the box so far this year we just don't have the physical presence needed at this level, you have to have the ability to tough it out & then hopefully we will be a better team & able to then impose our football on them.
Ponty Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 if only that was true It is true. It's thinking that you have enough skill when you don't that loses matches.
tedmaul Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 I film a lot of Div 1 and Championship stuff for SSN and Sky. It's not all kick and rush physicality. Obviously the quality isn't top notch, but many teams try and play the "right" way, passing football on the deck, so to speak. It just needs a good manager, with a game plan and some players who can take instruction, pass and move. Oh, and a good finisher.
NY Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 I watched a Northampton game a couple of months ago at Sixfields, my brother's way of showing my American girlfriend British culture on a recent trip home...bloody comedian. The game was bleak, some nice elements of skill from younger individual players when they weren't being knocked off the ball by some rather industrial defending. Pitch was awful, lumpy and lots of exposed muddy areas. Oh, and the crowd was made up of 80% mutants. Other than that, I've no experience.
Mole Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 My mate from Bournemouth reckons most League 1 sides try to play decent footie. League 1 is like the Premiership for the noddy clubs that have spent their entire history yo yo ing between the conference, L2 and L1. For teams like Bournemouth it's their shangrila.
Saint Billy Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Skill will always beat hulking lumps of players playing hoofball. We have a real problem then!
CougarSaint Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Let's check it out with Nigel Pearson...? Oh...oops....
70's Mike Posted 10 May, 2009 Posted 10 May, 2009 It is true. It's thinking that you have enough skill when you don't that loses matches. YES i agree or being told you have when you do not
Wade Garrett Posted 10 May, 2009 Posted 10 May, 2009 I know someone who watches Leeds most weeks. He reckons the last thing league 1 is is a kickers league.
eurosaint Posted 10 May, 2009 Posted 10 May, 2009 My brother is a ST holder at Leicester and reckons that qualitywise L1 is not that much different from the CCC ! That said, his team had a decent manager and romped it to be champions so perhaps he was slightly blinkered ! Interesting though that had Leics been docked 10 points they would not have achieved automatic promotion, so 27 wins and 15 draws will probably not be good enough ! Mmmm.. ?
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2009 Posted 10 May, 2009 Interesting though that had Leics been docked 10 points they would not have achieved automatic promotion, so 27 wins and 15 draws will probably not be good enough ! Mmmm.. ? Only would have missed out by 1 point!
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