saint63 Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 The problem is that if you appeal for fans to dig deep then people like 19teacup come on here and ask what right you have to ask them to their hands in their pockets to help pay players wages. I can understand this to a point but the club have to pay the wages of its staff. People who try to help are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You can't win. This is a real shame. We must keep the bigger picture in mind - unless we help in the short term, there won't be a club to support or transfer to new owners. It's up to all of us who've enjoyed the highs and endured the lows to try to secure a club for the future. I've invested too much emotion to let the club go when a little more effort would help. It doesn't matter about the quality of next week's game - its the sum total effect of all our efforts to secure the future that matters. What I can do is to spend my £20 to help - this is in my ability to do. Surely we can get 20 000 plus thinking the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 But that starved the club of money they could have the tickets for.Surely the club comes first at this time.It is all conjecture at present of course. Surely, LM's son and mates should not get freebies for a charity night? Personally I believe no freebies should be given on a night designed to raise money. Every free ticket took 20 quid from the night. We don't even know if this is true so let's not get too excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Surely, LM's son and mates should not get freebies for a charity night? Personally I believe no freebies should be given on a night designed to raise money. Every free ticket took 20 quid from the night. We don't even know if this is true so let's not get too excited. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 To be blunt, I don't give two ****es about you whingers, I'm going and taking young H with me! My club needs me and every other fan to help pay a bill or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 To be blunt, I don't give two ****es about you whingers, I'm going and taking young H with me! My club needs me and every other fan to help pay a bill or two. I'll be going as there is currently a possibilty that this will be the last time I ever see a match at SMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 I agree with you again! I just get the feeling that Fry is using the donations to string it out. I've not donated because i can't morally justify donating my hard earned cash to pay our gutless players exhorbitant salaries. To me it's like collecting money in Ethiopia to pay for a Conservative Party dinner dance. I don't think he is stringing it out, nor actively encouraging the fundraising. With the tasks he has he is not going to turn down money, nor say don't worry we have loads. I think its a bit rich the emotional blackmail, almost as if you are not a proper supporter unless you put money in the bucket, or go to a non-competitive game to see players we have seen play many times-when they were good. If you want to go, great hope its a good day - but I don't think Fry or any of the future owners feel it is at all significant for the future of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 I wish he'd just close his big trap, pick up his bags and sod off back to geordie land for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 he is not going to turn down money, nor say don't worry we have loads. I don't think Fry or any of the future owners feel it is at all significant for the future of the club. 1. Is it not the case that he will have no control over the money generated from this event ? 2. Again, is it because the revenue generated is going toward repaying the local business man who generously got us out of the cart(temporarily) and Fry's primary interest is to the creditors ? but thought future owners would be interested as by default it would reduce their liabilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 That isn't the point though, is it? I think it should read more like: Who is more likely to change sides in a war, if offered a cash incentive? a. Lowe b. Lawrie Mac And what, pray tell, does that have to do with anything? Seriously? Which is more likely to wear pink in any given ensemble? Just as relevent... In the meantime, lets just revel in the McMenemy witchunt whilst people who have no idea whatsoever what money McMenemy has taken out in/out of the club slag him off for what they imagine he has taken in/out of the club... At least he's doing something. It's a bit rich having uber online fans who can't be arsed to do anything, criticising someone who regards of their supposed "wealth" is at least doing something... How much money has Nineteen Beast put into the club? I want to see receipts as I believe he hasn't done a thing for the club.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULACZT Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 I was told by someone i trust and also that one of his (Lawries) sons turned up on the night with 3 or 4 mates asking at the door for their tickets. I would be very careful saying such things mickn... do you work in IT by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 I would be very careful saying such things mickn... do you work in IT by the way?I take it you know LM personally? Not a criticism, just an enquiry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 (edited) And what, pray tell, does that have to do with anything? Seriously? Which is more likely to wear pink in any given ensemble? Just as relevent... In the meantime, lets just revel in the McMenemy witchunt whilst people who have no idea whatsoever what money McMenemy has taken out in/out of the club slag him off for what they imagine he has taken in/out of the club... At least he's doing something. It's a bit rich having uber online fans who can't be arsed to do anything, criticising someone who regards of their supposed "wealth" is at least doing something... How much money has Nineteen Beast put into the club? I want to see receipts as I believe he hasn't done a thing for the club.... Well put, Daren. In some respects I am not looking forward to MLT getting involved with the club as you just know it would be only a matter of time before the usual suspects, with their flaming torches and pitchforks come marching up the hill to get him as well. Edited 11 May, 2009 by miserableoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 Well put, Daren. In some respects I am not looking forward to MLT getting involved with the club as you just know it would be only a matter of time before the usual suspects, with their flaming torches and pitchforks come marching up the hill to get him as well. if anyone takes over this club i would have thought lawrie is the ideal person to have in the old ted bates role . the guys a legend in my eyes and loves this club. and i agree those nitpicking over what he may have got is nowhere near what he has brought in to the club coffers. lawrie and mlt two great ambassadors for this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 I think in part its also confusion at the moment - we dont know what is happening or going to happen re the administrators or buy outs and with the club, Saints Aid, bucket collections etc, where this money is going and how its being used and what happens to it if no buyer is found - means many fans seem a bit bewildered as to the benefit and and need of this - and I am one of them.. With respect to Lawrie, fair play to him to organise these things, but it is sometimes difficult to avoid my own cynicism questioning motives - afterall he must know that even if we had 20000 @ £20, that 400k after the costs have been taken off will probably only pay the wages fro 2 weeks over the summer and there does come a time when fans irrespective of wanting to help simply dont ahve the cash anymore. Lawrie, presided over arguably the clubs greatest era to date and for that and what he achieved ALL saints fans should give him the respect he deserves. But since he left and flirted with England and Sunderland and then returned, I would have liked to see him avoid the politics, and be more constructive in his criticism than airing his own grievences in public... it kind of undermes the respect thing IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 I think in part its also confusion at the moment - we dont know what is happening or going to happen re the administrators or buy outs and with the club, Saints Aid, bucket collections etc, where this money is going and how its being used and what happens to it if no buyer is found - means many fans seem a bit bewildered as to the benefit and and need of this - and I am one of them.. With respect to Lawrie, fair play to him to organise these things, but it is sometimes difficult to avoid my own cynicism questioning motives - afterall he must know that even if we had 20000 @ £20, that 400k after the costs have been taken off will probably only pay the wages fro 2 weeks over the summer and there does come a time when fans irrespective of wanting to help simply dont ahve the cash anymore. Lawrie, presided over arguably the clubs greatest era to date and for that and what he achieved ALL saints fans should give him the respect he deserves. But since he left and flirted with England and Sunderland and then returned, I would have liked to see him avoid the politics, and be more constructive in his criticism than airing his own grievences in public... it kind of undermes the respect thing IMHO. I understand what you are saying Frank but sadly the Boardroom has been a hotbed of playground politics for the last few years. I would have said that anyone involved with the club during this period would have found it very difficult not to be part of it. The divisions have been so great that people have had to take one side or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 Comparatively paying five pounds to watch me collapse in a heap with cramp is an absolute bargain... I'd have paid £115 to see that... oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 I understand what you are saying Frank but sadly the Boardroom has been a hotbed of playground politics for the last few years. I would have said that anyone involved with the club during this period would have found it very difficult not to be part of it. The divisions have been so great that people have had to take one side or the other. Appreciated, Its just that because of this playground squbbling, I really would have liked to see one person rise above it, refuse to get involved and taken the moral highground - a unifying force - LM would potentially have been well placed to take that mantra, but chose to set his stall firmly in one camp. Which was in itself always going to leave him open to criticisms from teh other side and round and round it goes.... sadly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 Appreciated' date=' Its just that because of this playground squbbling, I really would have liked to see one person rise above it, refuse to get involved and taken the moral highground - a unifying force - LM would potentially have been well placed to take that mantra, but chose to set his stall firmly in one camp. Which was in itself always going to leave him open to criticisms from teh other side and round and round it goes.... sadly...[/quote'] Sadly Lowe seemed to have some Svengali - like control over proceedings in the boardroom that made any semblance of "normal" politic-ing virtually impossible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 Sadly Lowe seemed to have some Svengali - like control over proceedings in the boardroom that made any semblance of "normal" politic-ing virtually impossible! So it would seem, but If you know your enemy plays by certain rules of his own making, which include bating the opposition and whinging 'its not my fault' to the media, then surely the best attack is not rising to the bate, and remaining neutral. To me its the most dignified, similar to how MLT has conducted himself really - a unifying force because he has to the most extent remained outside of the politics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 13 May, 2009 Share Posted 13 May, 2009 Legal action is on the way Mike Osman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Legal action is on the way Mike Osman Mike, care to give more details? Legal action against whom/what? I'm not very good at 'reading between the lines'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Legal action is on the way Mike Osman About ****ing time.... The way Mike Osman has been slagged off on this forum by the uber online posse is just shameful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Mike, care to give more details? Legal action against whom/what? I'm not very good at 'reading between the lines'. Post 19 on this thread ???? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=13079 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Well put, Daren. In some respects I am not looking forward to MLT getting involved with the club as you just know it would be only a matter of time before the usual suspects, with their flaming torches and pitchforks come marching up the hill to get him as well. Indeed! Let's not forget the way our most successful manager has been villified on here by uber online fans whose idea of supporting the team is to log on on matchdays and post sarcastic twaddle... So he left us after 12 years to join Sunderland? So what? He was here 12 years... So he gets paid for an ambassadorial role? So what? If he did a Bobby Stokes and died in poverty and never said a word about Lowe then Numpteen Beast and his cohorts would be asking for him to be posthumously awarded that very job... His only "sin" is that he spoke out against Lowe... Pitchforks and flaming torches are too good for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Post 19 on this thread ???? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=13079 S in M, thanks for the link. I don't read every thread on here. Mike, let it be. Not worth the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Legal action is on the way Mike Osman Perhaps we will see how warlike some of the "Cyber Warriors" now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Perhaps we will see how warlike some of the "Cyber Warriors" now. Be careful MOG, beware the might of the pithy one liner or the sarcastic sideswipe... You might get away with it though, if it's matchday then the chances are you'll be at St Marys and they'll be online... You'll be safe... Fear not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Be careful MOG, beware the might of the pithy one liner or the sarcastic sideswipe... You might get away with it though, if it's matchday then the chances are you'll be at St Marys and they'll be online... You'll be safe... Fear not... Maybe we will see how much power the mystical "The Cloak of Anonimity" really has! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Maybe we will see how much power the mystical "The Cloak of Anonimity" really has! This sounds more and more like a game of online Dungeons and Dragons... lol I'll take your lawsuit... But I've rolled a six and my have used my Cloak of Anonimity... You are now a frog, Mike Osman... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 This sounds more and more like a game of online Dungeons and Dragons... lol I'll take your lawsuit... But I've rolled a six and my have used my Cloak of Anonimity... You are now a frog, Mike Osman... lol You do wonder at times how many posters on here are more interested in D&D than they are with Saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 This sounds more and more like a game of online Dungeons and Dragons... lol I'll take your lawsuit... But I've rolled a six and my have used my Cloak of Anonimity... You are now a frog, Mike Osman... lol Mike Osman is FRENCH?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 You do wonder at times how many posters on here are more interested in D&D than they are with Saints! Lowe is a Type III Demon with an armour class of -30. He also has regeneration abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Lowe is a Type III Demon with an armour class of -30. He also has regeneration abilities. How many lives does he have left?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 How many lives does he have left?? As many as he likes when he is in his own circle of hell aka SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Post 19 on this thread ???? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=13079 Would that warrant legal action ? suggesting someone may want a cut, saying they took a cut would be different, appreciate I may have missed other posts, in which MO may have grounds, as posted above hardly worth the effort, i'd post to simply dismiss any allegations that were made highlight the posters talking out of their arse as I believe his brother has done, if thet persist then take whatever action necessary...would be a shame if this site were penalised due to a few with incorrect information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 (edited) As many as he likes when he is in his own circle of hell aka SFC So, he can regenerate more times than Dr Who??? Oh f**k! Lowe and Wilde Return!!! Edited 14 May, 2009 by miserableoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Would that warrant legal action ? suggesting someone may want a cut, saying they took a cut would be different, appreciate I may have missed other posts, in which MO may have grounds, as posted above hardly worth the effort, i'd post to simply dismiss any allegations that were made highlight the posters talking out of their arse as I believe his brother has done, if thet persist then take whatever action necessary...would be a shame if this site were penalised due to a few with incorrect information. I was listening to Mike Osman on the radio at the recent David Hughes testimonial and he was really angry at the posters on here that accused him amd Lawrie of wanting compensation at the MLT/Channon/Lawrie night. Post 72 looks a bit naughty as well on here. Although there have been a few cases taken to court not all have been satisfactory. http://www.simkins.co.uk/ebulletins/lerSlandernotLibel.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Although there have been a few cases taken to court not all have been satisfactory. Lets hope MO reads your link and elects a different course of action i.e putting the record straight on here, open letter, statement...whatever will, as much as you can, put the rumour to bed, seems LM was in the firing line more than MO, is it guilt by association ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Did you give him some stick when only a few thousand turned up at Kanu`s Charity game the week after they won the Cup? Hmmm, 4000 for a nothing charity game after shelling out hundreds for semi & final appearances at Wembley, versus a miserable 1500 for a game trumpeted as a 'Save the saints' event with an all star cast. Great support in your hour of need, and a great advert for a potential buyer. Don't tell me: no-one bothered to buy tickets because you all knew that the club had been saved as triumphantly announced at yesterdays glittering press conference. Or is it just that when push comes to shove not enough of you are bothered, full stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Hmmm, 4000 for a nothing charity game after shelling out hundreds for semi & final appearances at Wembley, versus a miserable 1500 for a game trumpeted as a 'Save the saints' event with an all star cast. Great support in your hour of need, and a great advert for a potential buyer. Don't tell me: no-one bothered to buy tickets because you all knew that the club had been saved as triumphantly announced at yesterdays glittering press conference. Or is it just that when push comes to shove not enough of you are bothered, full stop? I agree that a great turnout would be a positive advert for the club but it's really only window dressing. The numbers involved in football are so out of comprehension for the ordinary fan that it's no wonder there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm. When players are being paid a couple of hundred quid a week a bucket collection or a full house at St Mary's goes a long way. When players are being paid thousands and in some cases tens of thousands, it doesn't work. Couple that with the division that is in the club (to which McMenemy and Crouch are just as guilty as Lowe and Wilde) then it is difficult to raise any motivation. Add to that the poor season, people thinking about holidays, a global recession, historic awfulness of these 'legends' matches (I've never seen a good one) and yes, there are plenty of reasons why turnout would have been low. Your mob on the otherhand didn't turn up to help African kids get heart transplants. It's not only tight. it's racist..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Hmmm, 4000 for a nothing charity game after shelling out hundreds for semi & final appearances at Wembley, versus a miserable 1500 for a game trumpeted as a 'Save the saints' event with an all star cast. Great support in your hour of need, and a great advert for a potential buyer. Don't tell me: no-one bothered to buy tickets because you all knew that the club had been saved as triumphantly announced at yesterdays glittering press conference. Or is it just that when push comes to shove not enough of you are bothered, full stop? When we won the Cup in 76 Mike Channons Testimonial was played on the Monday night and the place was bursting at the seams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Indeed! Let's not forget the way our most successful manager has been villified on here by uber online fans whose idea of supporting the team is to log on on matchdays and post sarcastic twaddle... So he left us after 12 years to join Sunderland? So what? He was here 12 years... So he gets paid for an ambassadorial role? So what? If he did a Bobby Stokes and died in poverty and never said a word about Lowe then Numpteen Beast and his cohorts would be asking for him to be posthumously awarded that very job... His only "sin" is that he spoke out against Lowe... Pitchforks and flaming torches are too good for him... Bloody well said, best post on here for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 I agree that a great turnout would be a positive advert for the club but it's really only window dressing. The numbers involved in football are so out of comprehension for the ordinary fan that it's no wonder there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm. When players are being paid a couple of hundred quid a week a bucket collection or a full house at St Mary's goes a long way. When players are being paid thousands and in some cases tens of thousands, it doesn't work. Couple that with the division that is in the club (to which McMenemy and Crouch are just as guilty as Lowe and Wilde) then it is difficult to raise any motivation. Add to that the poor season, people thinking about holidays, a global recession, historic awfulness of these 'legends' matches (I've never seen a good one) and yes, there are plenty of reasons why turnout would have been low. Your mob on the otherhand didn't turn up to help African kids get heart transplants. It's not only tight. it's racist..... Touble is, every time Kanu tries to help a poor african kid, Madonna beats him to it and adopts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 14 May, 2009 Share Posted 14 May, 2009 Indeed! Let's not forget the way our most successful manager has been villified on here by uber online fans whose idea of supporting the team is to log on on matchdays and post sarcastic twaddle... So he left us after 12 years to join Sunderland? So what? He was here 12 years... So he gets paid for an ambassadorial role? So what? If he did a Bobby Stokes and died in poverty and never said a word about Lowe then Numpteen Beast and his cohorts would be asking for him to be posthumously awarded that very job... His only "sin" is that he spoke out against Lowe... Pitchforks and flaming torches are too good for him... only just read this Darren , well said i agree entirely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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