TNT Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 while i give lawrie great credit for what he done for us in the 70s and 80s am getting a little fed up with him now just read his echo column and he says he is shocked that the club expects only about 4000 people at the benefit game what does he expect us fans to keep on digging in our pockets again. i would like to now if he has put any money in himself and does he pay for his tickets to watch the games You want him to pay for tickets to go to games ? Do you want le tissier as well to cough up for match tickets and are you quering him on donating ? Whose organizing the stuff to raise money then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I have no idea about that, IMHO he'll end up out of pocket because the gate looks like its not going to be that great if you look at the reaction of some of the people on here. The problem is there is a massive amount of apathy because we all seem to feel that every thing will turn out ok (I include myself in that).Thanks Scally. Surely the money will be deducted from the proceeds of the sale or as an add on to any purchaser.I assume he will lose it if we fold. No doubt theclub/organisers would have been confident of a good turnout , rightly so i wont criticise them for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Whose organizing the stuff to raise money then ? You mean to raise money to pay back the 'local businessman' who made a 400k loan prior to the Burnley game, why does anyone need to raise money ? surely its bolted onto the debts of SFC which will be assumed by the new owners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 my next game will be first home (or away if not too far away) pre-season to look at the new team. Not really interested in this. ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 This club dosn't deserve any hero's.....with fans like you and crab lungs, then look out MLT........they'll find a way to run you down mate. You make me ashamed of being a Saint:mad: Well said. Lawrie is shocked that only 4000 tickets sold, seems a fairly inocuous remark to me, yet some so-called supporters on here lay into him like he is the anti-Christ or something. When looking for villains at this club, some people here have a remarkably stupid view. There have been some real villains, Wilde, Lowe, Askham, Hone, Dulieu, if people want a hate figure, choose from any of these, to make ridiculuous innuendo about people like Lawrie, is not much different than blaming Channon, Bates or Le Tiss for our troubles in the minds of most right-thinking supporters of this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 ditto. bit worried how much we are agreeing lately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeleye Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Well said. Lawrie is shocked that only 4000 tickets sold, seems a fairly inocuous remark to me, yet some so-called supporters on here lay into him like he is the anti-Christ or something. When looking for villains at this club, some people here have a remarkably stupid view. There have been some real villains, Wilde, Lowe, Askham, Hone, Dulieu, if people want a hate figure, choose from any of these, to make ridiculuous innuendo about people like Lawrie, is not much different than blaming Channon, Bates or Le Tiss for our troubles in the minds of most right-thinking supporters of this club. Quite agree - Lawrie Mac is one of the best people ever to have anything to do with this club yet people continually slag him off. Unbelievable and pathetic. At least he's trying to save the club he so obviously loves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Too right lawrie is possibly our best ever manager, again when we are in crisis he comes to the fore. What a guy. Some of you guys on here I do wonder if you are saints fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 bit worried how much we are agreeing lately! Yes, it's all rather surreal. And it won't last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 It's easy to understand why people are reluctant to cough up for a friendly like this, it all seems a bit odd being asked to put your £20 towards saving the club when the amounts of debt being talked about in the press run into the tens of millions and you have prospective buyers banging on about getting us in the Prem in 5 years. Me spending £20 on a ticket is just like having a lash in the Atlantic, what's the point, just sell the ****ing club FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 This club dosn't deserve any hero's.....with fans like you and crab lungs, then look out MLT........they'll find a way to run you down mate. You make me ashamed of being a Saint:mad: Ha, what a retard. Typical SFC dribbler, I take it? FWIW, Lawrie is doing a very honourable thing in letting the public know how many tickets are sold and that we need to sell more... but it doesn't escape the fact he's a shapeshifter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Ha, what a retard. Typical SFC dribbler, I take it? FWIW, Lawrie is doing a very honourable thing in letting the public know how many tickets are sold and that we need to sell more... but it doesn't escape the fact he's a shapeshifter. perhaps he actually go's crab ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 perhaps he actually go's crab ?? Oh, hi Stu... Thanks for the message the other day.. had every intention to reply, just forgot. He probably does go more than me... FREE OF CHARGE. Besides, I have a bit of a problem getting to games these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Was he really expecting 20k to go ? I know programmes, food, drinks etc will generate further revenue on the day but, still seems very ambitious imo Ambitious? Under statement of the year. With all due respect if someone was willing to underwrite this match to the tune of £400,000 they are not ambitious they are badly in need of an astute accountant. Correction an A-Level accountancy student. I may be mising the point and as I read through this thread from my last posts this may already be answered. But is £400,000 the cost of putting this match on and the figure that needs to be made before any profit is made? If so IMO it is the dumbest use of a £20 where it looks like 99% or more will be used to cover costs. Couldn't make it up and proves McMenemy's usefulness and vision ended when he made his money from his plc shares. What exactly is this £400k underwriting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 OK so what is this £400,000? Been asked by others but no comment. Are we donating money to repay some bloke with £400k change to throw about? Is that right or should this not be part of the debt the new owners should take on? It is absolutely laughable that McMenemy and Osman thought they would get a crowd of 30,000 to watch a joke friendly with some old players that will destroy the memories we had of them when they played as professionals. £20 to watch a bunch of aged amateurs? Lets get this right we have only ever achieved a crowd in excess of 30k when playing premiership opposition or in a critical game. The most we even achieved for friendly (correct me if I'm wrong) was for the first match at SMS against a Spanish team whose name I forget, Espanyol, maybe? WTF does 30,000 come from? We've been going bust since last May and even post administration how many went to the oh so critical Charlton game? 27,228. Since his managment days what has McMenemy done for the fans? McMenemy forever known on this forum as that awesome description given him by Crab Lungs. Hopefully, not coming to a club near you soon - 'THE SHAPESHIFTER' - be prepared to act shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M271 Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 I can't believe the apathy on this site to the 'All Star' match on 17th May and I think that people need to put the current politics a side for a change. Yes our club is in desparate need of the money but the money raising should be seen as a byproduct of going to our beloved club, to our beloved stadium to have an enjoyable time watching some legends from the past, without who we would not have the good memories that we have of past glory and Premier League status. These people appearing are trying to help the club and have not done anything wrong getting us in the current position, but they are prepared to give up their time to help the club and we should attend to show our appreciation. I do agree that £20 is a bit steep but I for one will be going and will be embarrased for the likes of Le Tissier, Lundekvam, legends of '76 etc..if the crowd turnout is poor. Please put the current club troubles to one side and come to St Marys for what should be an enjoyable, non pressure time where we can celebrate our club and past servants of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 ...well we had 30,000-ish for a midweek friendly against (I think) Bayern Munich and Le Tiss' Testimonial but... £20 is steep, £50 for a family, for a game that will be lucky to last 90 minutes with some out on the pitch! Added to the recent damning Echo article about the players, that's probably done more damage to this game than anything - and the popular belief/apathy that we will be bought out, our battle-weary/cash-strapped fans are probably reasoning 'enough is enough'. The club also states that money raised will go into a separate 'Save our Saints' account 'IF' the club needs the money to stay afloat, what happens to it if we are bought out by then and it is not needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottzoo Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 ...well we had 30,000-ish for a midweek friendly against (I think) Bayern Munich and Le Tiss' Testimonial but... £20 is steep, £50 for a family, for a game that will be lucky to last 90 minutes with some out on the pitch! Added to the recent damning Echo article about the players, that's probably done more damage to this game than anything - and the popular belief/apathy that we will be bought out, our battle-weary/cash-strapped fans are probably reasoning 'enough is enough'. The club also states that money raised will go into a separate 'Save our Saints' account 'IF' the club needs the money to stay afloat, what happens to it if we are bought out by then and it is not needed? refunded !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 refunded !!! ...if the game is 'cancelled'... I'm all for this match, tho' the money raised is to play the players wages through the summer months which will ruffle some, it's ultimately to keep the club afloat as they have to pay them or face the consequences from the FL. I'll pay my £20, go and see a few old faces/heroes, then probably slope off back to the pub by half time, bored to tears from watching the 'football'! Then there's 'Saints Aid' many are also forking out for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 still convinced that if it was needed Fry would get a deal done in time. Therefore this and buckets are not needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottzoo Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 ...well we had 30,000-ish for a midweek friendly against (I think) Bayern Munich and Le Tiss' Testimonial but... £20 is steep, £50 for a family, for a game that will be lucky to last 90 minutes with some out on the pitch! Added to the recent damning Echo article about the players, that's probably done more damage to this game than anything - and the popular belief/apathy that we will be bought out, our battle-weary/cash-strapped fans are probably reasoning 'enough is enough'. The club also states that money raised will go into a separate 'Save our Saints' account 'IF' the club needs the money to stay afloat, what happens to it if we are bought out by then and it is not needed? 14k - 16k every week cash strapped that means 14k - 16k arn't strapped for cash because they have saved loads this season. 8k are season ticket holders who so far have not got a season ticket to buy so there not strapped for cash if we were still in the prem they would have bought a ticket by now. so it seems we have a hard core fan base of 4k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Well i always had a lot of respect for Lawrie but it does wear a bit thin when im told he asked for 23 compilmentary tickets for the Channon/Le Tiss/Lawrie fundraising evening and he wants to be a kit man for the charity match and has asked for £500.00 for expenses...I'm sure a return taxi fare to Braishfield or wherever he lives is not that expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 still convinced that if it was needed Fry would get a deal done in time. Therefore this and buckets are not needed I agree with you again! I just get the feeling that Fry is using the donations to string it out. I've not donated because i can't morally justify donating my hard earned cash to pay our gutless players exhorbitant salaries. To me it's like collecting money in Ethiopia to pay for a Conservative Party dinner dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Well i always had a lot of respect for Lawrie but it does wear a bit thin when im told he asked for 23 compilmentary tickets for the Channon/Le Tiss/Lawrie fundraising evening and he wants to be a kit man for the charity match and has asked for £500.00 for expenses...I'm sure a return taxi fare to Braishfield or wherever he lives is not that expensive.Is this definitely right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 OK so what is this £400,000? Been asked by others but no comment. Are we donating money to repay some bloke with £400k change to throw about? Is that right or should this not be part of the debt the new owners should take on? It is absolutely laughable that McMenemy and Osman thought they would get a crowd of 30,000 to watch a joke friendly with some old players that will destroy the memories we had of them when they played as professionals. £20 to watch a bunch of aged amateurs? Lets get this right we have only ever achieved a crowd in excess of 30k when playing premiership opposition or in a critical game. The most we even achieved for friendly (correct me if I'm wrong) was for the first match at SMS against a Spanish team whose name I forget, Espanyol, maybe? WTF does 30,000 come from? We've been going bust since last May and even post administration how many went to the oh so critical Charlton game? 27,228. Since his managment days what has McMenemy done for the fans? McMenemy forever known on this forum as that awesome description given him by Crab Lungs. Hopefully, not coming to a club near you soon - 'THE SHAPESHIFTER' - be prepared to act shocked. We're all still waiting for an answer to my question 19. Come on - tell us in your opinion who has done the most for this Club Lowe or Lawrie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Well i always had a lot of respect for Lawrie but it does wear a bit thin when im told he asked for 23 compilmentary tickets for the Channon/Le Tiss/Lawrie fundraising evening and he wants to be a kit man for the charity match and has asked for £500.00 for expenses...I'm sure a return taxi fare to Braishfield or wherever he lives is not that expensive. We keep hearing these type of things about about whoever the current "bogeyman" is but can anybody actually say these accusations are TRUE? Lowe did this! Wilde did that! Crouch is a Martian! It is easy for people to post title-tattle and influence peoples opinions of the main players to suit their own agenda but that doesn`t make it FACT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 We keep hearing these type of things about about whoever the current "bogeyman" is but can anybody actually say these accusations are TRUE? Lowe did this! Wilde did that! Crouch is a Martian! It is easy for people to post title-tattle and influence peoples opinions of the main players to suit their own agenda but that doesn`t make it FACT! What is a fact is the person who sits as the Chairman and thus is charged with making strategic decisions on the future of the club. That comes with responsibility. So it's spot on to criticise those who held that seat and screwed it up. What we need to continue to establish - whilst looking forward with our new owners - is exactly who and how they screwed it up so the same mistakes are not made by our new owners. We have alot of lessons to learn from Lowe's incompetence, Wildes foolishness, Crouch's lack of prudence and the fact that many 'fans leaders' rolled over and accepted it throughout the years by failing to maintain an independent perspective. That admittedly starts with unity for the new owners and a super opportunity to move forward UNITED. But, ignoring lessons from history should never be allowed to happen again. This messageboard, whilst providing many other uses, certainly is the most successful medium for keeping lessons alive. And it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Is this definitely right? I was told by someone i trust and also that one of his (Lawries) sons turned up on the night with 3 or 4 mates asking at the door for their tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Well i always had a lot of respect for Lawrie but it does wear a bit thin when im told he asked for 23 compilmentary tickets for the Channon/Le Tiss/Lawrie fundraising evening and he wants to be a kit man for the charity match and has asked for £500.00 for expenses...I'm sure a return taxi fare to Braishfield or wherever he lives is not that expensive. Not really in the spirit if true. But what I would say however is the fact that Lawrie IS coming and associated with this and IS appealling right now will have a far bigger impact on attendences than him not being involved. He is still regarded by 99% of fans as a legend. So expenses well spent could be argued here. Interestingly, no one is noting what all of the other legends will get in expenses ... including MLT for example. Spend to save springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 I was told by someone i trust and also that one of his (Lawries) sons turned up on the night with 3 or 4 mates asking at the door for their tickets. Lawrie Mac gave us promotions, wonderful players and an FA Cup. I am happy to give his son and his mates a ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Not really in the spirit if true. But what I would say however is the fact that Lawrie IS coming and associated with this and IS appealling right now will have a far bigger impact on attendences than him not being involved. He is still regarded by 99% of fans as a legend. So expenses well spent could be argued here. Interestingly, no one is noting what all of the other legends will get in expenses ... including MLT for example. Spend to save springs to mind.It may be naive but I really believe MLT wouldnt charge.I do hope Im right on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Lawrie Mac gave us promotions, wonderful players and an FA Cup. I am happy to give his son and his mates a ticket.But that starved the club of money they could have the tickets for.Surely the club comes first at this time.It is all conjecture at present of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick8 Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Well i always had a lot of respect for Lawrie but it does wear a bit thin when im told he asked for 23 compilmentary tickets for the Channon/Le Tiss/Lawrie fundraising evening and he wants to be a kit man for the charity match and has asked for £500.00 for expenses...I'm sure a return taxi fare to Braishfield or wherever he lives is not that expensive. Lies! That's just LIES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 It may be naive but I really believe MLT wouldnt charge.I do hope Im right on that. But again, that is the perception. Still has to be driven there and back, still incurs a cost. I'm sorry but people need to gain a sense of perspective on this expense nonesense. Having these people come and be associated incurs a minimal cost of travel expenses and occassionally an appearance fee. It's the same for any charity event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 But that starved the club of money they could have the tickets for.Surely the club comes first at this time.It is all conjecture at present of course. In principle yes. You're right. Nicer not to have such rumours floating for a legend who frankly without his association the Club may well be about to fold for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 There are people on this forum who have some kind of hidden agenda. I cannot for the life of me work out where people like Nineteen Canteen are coming from and what they get from posting the rubbish they do on here. Can some one explain to me what Lawrie has done apart from giving me the best years I have ever had watching Saints, somebody should make up an all starts team from the players who were here under Lawrie and then do the same from the rest of Saints history and compare the two. Lawrie got some share from the reverse take over, he was not involved in any of the dealings in setting it up, if you worked for a company and were offered shares would you say no thanks? He left to join his home town club, how many people have changed jobs over the years? Thats all it is, he may of loved the club but he had the chance to join Sunderland and gave it a go. At the moment he is organising a game to raise some much needed funds that may just keep the club running untill new buyers are found. He isn't charging for what is not an easy thing to do and yet people like that **** head Nineteen Canteen still try to find an angle to attack him. Its sad that the fans of this club cannot just except somebody is doing some thing to try to help with out picking the bones out of it and keep insinuating they are doing it for their own gains. What the fecks is in it for Lawrie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 There are people on this forum who have some kind of hidden agenda. I cannot for the life of me work out where people like Nineteen Canteen are coming from and what they get from posting the rubbish they do on here. Can some one explain to me what Lawrie has done apart from giving me the best years I have ever had watching Saints, somebody should make up an all starts team from the players who were here under Lawrie and then do the same from the rest of Saints history and compare the two. Lawrie got some share from the reverse take over, he was not involved in any of the dealings in setting it up, if you worked for a company and were offered shares would you say no thanks? He left to join his home town club, how many people have changed jobs over the years? Thats all it is, he may of loved the club but he had the chance to join Sunderland and gave it a go. At the moment he is organising a game to raise some much needed funds that may just keep the club running untill new buyers are found. He isn't charging for what is not an easy thing to do and yet people like that **** head Nineteen Canteen still try to find an angle to attack him. Its sad that the fans of this club cannot just except somebody is doing some thing to try to help with out picking the bones out of it and keep insinuating they are doing it for their own gains. What the fecks is in it for Lawrie? Scally, if I am being honest I don't really regard those who live in denial them as fans of SFC but simply fans of individuals, I can't understand anyone who tries to defend the undefendable. Other agendas methinks... its a shame though as they will be the first people to criticise the new owners and say how much better things would have been under Lowe had he had his chance. Any guess what... we'll just laugh at them. Still.... onwards and upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Well i always had a lot of respect for Lawrie but it does wear a bit thin when im told he asked for 23 compilmentary tickets for the Channon/Le Tiss/Lawrie fundraising evening and he wants to be a kit man for the charity match and has asked for £500.00 for expenses...I'm sure a return taxi fare to Braishfield or wherever he lives is not that expensive. Not having a go at LM or anyone else,but surely seeing that the staff ,stewards etc are all working for nothing,it would be a nice gesture that no one claims expenses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint63 Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Ambitious? Under statement of the year. With all due respect if someone was willing to underwrite this match to the tune of £400,000 they are not ambitious they are badly in need of an astute accountant. Correction an A-Level accountancy student. I may be mising the point and as I read through this thread from my last posts this may already be answered. But is £400,000 the cost of putting this match on and the figure that needs to be made before any profit is made? If so IMO it is the dumbest use of a £20 where it looks like 99% or more will be used to cover costs. Couldn't make it up and proves McMenemy's usefulness and vision ended when he made his money from his plc shares. What exactly is this £400k underwriting? £400 000 is the underwritten amount that Mr Fry has needed to keep the club afloat during what are inevitably drawn out negotiations. It gives him wriggle room and for those of uswho care a little longer to save our football club. After 45 years of supporting Saints I am grateful to the underwriter - I could guess who - as business people will leave it to the very last minute in order to get the price as low as possible. Simple economics Mr 19C. I am beginning to see that you are not a real supporter at all - just an agent provocateur. Well done the orgainisers. Why don't you come up with an interim solution 19C rather than being so negative - or are you just all talk. I'm preparing to drive up from Devon next Sunday as I can't envisage what my football interest is going to be like next. I'll have to support Exeter City and pretend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Simple economics Mr 19C. I am beginning to see that you are not a real supporter at all - just an agent provocateur In 19's defence, the inference from an earlier post on this subject was that someone had put up 400k to stage this game, we now know this is not the case, however, most would question that cost. The Loan made is very much appreciated I am sure by us fans and is only right and proper the man gets his money back with interest, if this game contributes to the loan repayment then so be it but lets be clear about the reason for the game, if prior to the Burnley game the lender said to the fans... we either go pop now or I lend SFC 400k to continue trading but I want it back and a number of events will be arranged at SMS to facilitate this so can I count on your attendance....would we have said no ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 In 19's defence, the inference from an earlier post on this subject was that someone had put up 400k to stage this game, we now know this is not the case, however, most would question that cost. The Loan made is very much appreciated I am sure by us fans and is only right and proper the man gets his money back with interest, if this game contributes to the loan repayment then so be it but lets be clear about the reason for the game, if prior to the Burnley game the lender said to the fans... we either go pop now or I lend SFC 400k to continue trading but I want it back and a number of events will be arranged at SMS to facilitate this so can I count on your attendance....would we have said no ? Good point. Perhaps we need more honesty and openness from the club in future... something we have forgotten about since Lowe and the plc arrived if we're all being honest. Didnt used to be like this. We used to all sign up to supporting this club and trusted the leadership until 15 years ago. Whoever takes over starts with a clean sheet, but the damage done by the previous regime will make many of us question the integrity of those looking to run the club. That is a result of the previous regime. Let's hope the new one can overcome that and be more open.... having MLT on side will help that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 refunded !!! Refunded if the game does not go ahead agreed, nowhere does it suggest if the money is no longer needed will all who attended get a refund..after the event why would anyone want one ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 In 19's defence, the inference from an earlier post on this subject was that someone had put up 400k to stage this game, we now know this is not the case, however, most would question that cost. The Loan made is very much appreciated I am sure by us fans and is only right and proper the man gets his money back with interest, if this game contributes to the loan repayment then so be it but lets be clear about the reason for the game, if prior to the Burnley game the lender said to the fans... we either go pop now or I lend SFC 400k to continue trading but I want it back and a number of events will be arranged at SMS to facilitate this so can I count on your attendance....would we have said no ? Its not guaranteed that the guy will get any of his money back and as the game looks more and more likely that it will be pulled due to poor ticket sells then he could well be 400k out of pocket. Thats alot of money for anybody but I'm sure 19c will still find an angle to have a pop at the bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Its not guaranteed that the guy will get any of his money back and as the game looks more and more likely that it will be pulled due to poor ticket sells then he could well be 400k out of pocket. Thats alot of money for anybody but I'm sure 19c will still find an angle to have a pop at the bloke.I assume that their would have been strings attached to the loan and rightly so.As I put elsewhere my understanding is that the loan is an add on to any buyers offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Its not guaranteed that the guy will get any of his money back and as the game looks more and more likely that it will be pulled due to poor ticket sells then he could well be 400k out of pocket. But this game was never going to generate 400k, if he loaned SFC 400k then he is one of SFC's creditors and a new owner will assume the debt, it is a shame that this game has been so poorly received, why not try and remarket it disclosing the intent of the game..the lender appealing to the fans that he would like his very generous actions reciprocated by fans attendance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 I have just spoken to my brother who is helping to organise the game and he believes that its not guaranteed that the money will be repaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 As with most loans that risk is apparent, is there any reason why such an appeal as above can not be made, the Echo should get involved as the disclosures of this week have added to the mind set, if it were me I'd shout from the highest rooftop I trumped up 400k for SFC to survive in the short term please fans of the club help me to get my money back by attending SMS for this event Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottzoo Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 if the game is played and no bids excepted well at least you can say you have watched the last game of SFC whether charity or otherwise , if the bid is excepted well least you can say you helped the club survive until the new owners took control making you an uber fan But what if a deal was done to keep ticket stubs and they could be exchanged for an early round of JPT or CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 As with most loans that risk is apparent, is there any reason why such an appeal as above can not be made, the Echo should get involved as the disclosures of this week have added to the mind set, if it were me I'd shout from the highest rooftop I trumped up 400k for SFC to survive in the short term please fans of the club help me to get my money back by attending SMS for this event The problem is that if you appeal for fans to dig deep then people like 19teacup come on here and ask what right you have to ask them to their hands in their pockets to help pay players wages. I can understand this to a point but the club have to pay the wages of its staff. People who try to help are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You can't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 The problem is that if you appeal for fans to dig deep then people like 19teacup come on here and ask what right you have to ask them to their hands in their pockets to help pay players wages. I can understand this to a point but the club have to pay the wages of its staff. People who try to help are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You can't win.Scally you are right. I di think there is a big problem with credibility to some people. Fans (I admit i have been guilty of it myself) do not always believe in some peoples motives whether it be for politics or personal gain. Perhaps if the players made it clear whether they are to be paid or not would help.I understand as Robbie says there are costs incurred by people but the game is being sold on the fact that these people love the club.Well the people they are asking love the club as well and are paying for the privilage to turn up and also incurring travelling costs. I dont think there is a togetherness in this as we/I havbe become sceptical that it us that pays while others (rightly or wrongly) are lining their own pockets.Transparency would make a difference to peoples perception im sure.PS I do appreciate MO's time and effort in doing what he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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