Master Bates Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 MB you might want to give your source a kick up the ar*e I can't, he's been right with some things in the past.
DaintyDave Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 So this is exactly what happened at Bournemouth then as far as I can tell from reading their forum. A last minute hitch, followed by a drop out from Jackson's consortium, he then "joins forces" with rival consortium.....now at Bournemouth he then announced himself owner-in-waiting and Chairman and the consortium quickly kicked him out and refuted his claims, but I can see the same things happening here. The big fella's made up consortium (I think they said at Bournemouth his proof of funds was fake and some fairly small cheque actually bounced) can't get a deal done so he acts as some kind of saviour bringing in a new group - who at Bournemouth already existed - and tries to leverage some kind of job for himself. IMHO absolutely disgraceful, putting resources to waste and threatening the future of our club, all to try and get a percentage of the deal or a job going forwards that his talents clearly do not merit. I really think Begbies have a lot to answer for here.
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 IMHO absolutely disgraceful, putting resources to waste and threatening the future of our club, all to try and get a percentage of the deal or a job going forwards that his talents clearly do not merit. I really think Begbies have a lot to answer for here. I couldn't agree more. The bloke is a weasel and no mistake
OldNick Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 It'd be funny if these idiots did this to any other club, but as it's Saints it's not funny at all. I expect the ITK's were all grovelling up to him at the forum match last night though as they're all as braindead. Thankyou for that Stanley. MJ was very quiet and was not acting in a big iam manner. When introduced by othewrs who were mutual friends we did chat with others there.Dockgate 4. I found him polite and very enthusiastic about saints as well as St David etc and tehy care.Weston and Dubai Phil were alos in attendance as well as many of the forum players.Some had travelled a long way Norway and Leeds being 2 destinations.These people care for saints as well. We talked quietly and nobody as far as I know pushed the point as we respect the problems with NDA's. This bid has been going on for weeks and they have kept their silence only now is it apparent MJ may be involved but I doubt he is the main man.That strikes me as they have shoed away from publicity un;ike the Jersey bid. I have not said i believe in the bid 100% but I respect Fry so far and although i am cynical to think that it may be any administrators interest to drag it out he leaves it open for criticism if he carries on talking to a phoney. Perhaps its my desire for us still to have a club to support but I do think it is a little rich to criticise people wanting somebody to buy us especially when we were not the people baying to go into administration in the first place.
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 I do think it is a little rich to criticise people wanting somebody to buy us especially when we were not the people baying to go into administration in the first place. There's nothing rich about criticising Jacko. He's shown with us and with Bouremouth that he's a fly by night barrow boy. You just have to look through the catalogue of escapades he's had to come to the conclusion he's nothing but a joker trying to making a few quid.
aintforever Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 So this is exactly what happened at Bournemouth then as far as I can tell from reading their forum. A last minute hitch, followed by a drop out from Jackson's consortium, he then "joins forces" with rival consortium.....now at Bournemouth he then announced himself owner-in-waiting and Chairman and the consortium quickly kicked him out and refuted his claims, but I can see the same things happening here. The big fella's made up consortium (I think they said at Bournemouth his proof of funds was fake and some fairly small cheque actually bounced) can't get a deal done so he acts as some kind of saviour bringing in a new group - who at Bournemouth already existed - and tries to leverage some kind of job for himself. IMHO absolutely disgraceful, putting resources to waste and threatening the future of our club, all to try and get a percentage of the deal or a job going forwards that his talents clearly do not merit. I really think Begbies have a lot to answer for here. I heard exactly the same from someone who works at the club. He was a complete time waster, a ****ing liability.
OldNick Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 There's nothing rich about criticising Jacko. He's shown with us and with Bouremouth that he's a fly by night barrow boy. You just have to look through the catalogue of escapades he's had to come to the conclusion he's nothing but a joker trying to making a few quid. Perhaps Im just hoping that something happens that may be good for us all. So much for all the talk last week how it was going to be being a saints fan.The hope keeps getting smashed.
WestSaint Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Why did Lowe select Begbies as administrator in the first place....? Well Trousers, I wondered that. My guess is that as WH Ireland gave Begbies a 'Buy recommendation' in their January newsletter that they would practice what they preach and therefore appoint them.
trousers Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 WH Ireland gave Begbies a 'Buy recommendation' in their January newsletter Interesting connection.... Is one allowed to give business to a company that one has recommended investing into...?
martel Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 have previously had dealings, as tonight's Echo reports that Gerald Krasner, the administrator called in by Bournemouth in March 2008 was working for Begbies and of course we all know the farce that ensued there. Wacko Jacko had more splits and breakdown in relationships in a month than most business men in a lifetime and yet it seems now Begbies, under Fry are/were quite happy for him to be involved in what now seems another time wasting, potentially fatal tyre kicking exercise. I suppose Begbies have to listen to all offers or bids but you would have thought they would have treated Jackson with a bit more caution. This last minute hitch is ridiculous - either a bid was made (and we have been told by those who would know that it was) or it wasn't and someone is telling porkies. Seeing Jackson's mug on the front page of tonight's Echo scares me to hell. The future of our football club seems to be partially in the hands of a serial Walter Mitty and he appears to be getting plenty of airtime thanks to Begbies. Spot on Fitzhugh, I was interested to read though that a foreign investor has entered the fray; I wonder who that may be? Still another week gone and no real news as to who will eventually win through, I guess we will all have to wait for another Friday; have a good weekend all.
bridge too far Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Interesting connection.... Is one allowed to give business to a company that one has recommended investing into...? But was it Lowe who appointed the administrator or was it Barclays / Aviva?
trousers Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 But was it Lowe who appointed the administrator or was it Barclays / Aviva? According to the official statement made to the stock exchange it was "the board" that appointed the administrator. I read that as the 'board of SLH'.... Company Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC TIDM SOO Headline Appointment of Administrators Released 11:58 02-Apr-09 Number 0096Q11 /**/ RNS Number : 0096Q Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC 02 April 2009 2 April 2009 Southampton Leisure Holdings plc ("SLH" or "the Company") Appointment of Administrators The Board announces today that it has appointed Mark Fry and David Hudson of Begbies Traynor (South) LLP as joint administrators to the Company. Rupert Lowe, Andrew Cowen and Michael Wilde have resigned as directors of the Company with immediate effect. Southampton Football Club Limited, a subsidiary of the Company, is unaffected by these insolvency proceedings. For further information: Begbies Traynor (South) LLP Mark Fry Tel: 0207 398 3800 Seymour Pierce Limited Paul Davies Tel: 0207 107 8000 This information is provided by RNS The company news service from the London Stock Exchange END http://www.londonstockexchange.com/LSECWS/IFSPages/MarketNewsPopup.aspx?id=2127610&source=RNS
Toomer Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Rupert Lowe will part of the Jackson package if it ever happens.
trousers Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Rupert Lowe will part of the Jackson package if it ever happens. :confused:
bridge too far Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Rupert Lowe will part of the Jackson package if it ever happens. Marvellous Two of the most popular people ever to grace SMS
Saint Billy Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Rupert Lowe will part of the Jackson package if it ever happens. Stay off the barley wine Toomer, it plays with your mind.
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Rupert Lowe will part of the Jackson package if it ever happens. Jacko will climb into bed with anyone that'd be daft enough to have him.
trousers Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Marvellous Two of the most popular people ever to grace SMS Gives rise to one hell of a conspiracy theory though.....
Toomer Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Stay off the barley wine Toomer, it plays with your mind. Billy don't mock time will tell.
hackedoff Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 We are going to end up with a crock of sh!t . It is like the anticipation over the reverse take-over,is the club going to have millions pouring in ? Then we saw photos of that terrace HQ in Bristol and reality kicked in.
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 We are going to end up with a crock of sh!t . It is like the anticipation over the reverse take-over,is the club going to have millions pouring in ? Then we saw photos of that terrace HQ in Bristol and reality kicked in. The millions poured in for Askham.
wimbornesaint Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 So what is David Hudson doing while we are all watching Mark Fry? Is he doing the real deal?
Saint Billy Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Billy don't mock time will tell. Sorry Toomer, I was'nt mocking what you said, its just that I did'nt understand it.
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 May, 2009 Author Posted 8 May, 2009 (edited) I have just had a phone call from St David who says he is not part of this consortium although obviously he knows Marc Jackson. I asked him about Master Bates text re an announcement on Monday and he was not aware there was going to be one. Edited 8 May, 2009 by Fitzhugh Fella
trousers Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Well Trousers, I wondered that. My guess is that as WH Ireland gave Begbies a 'Buy recommendation' in their January newsletter that they would practice what they preach and therefore appoint them. "Specialist insolvency practitioner Begbies Traynor is well placed to benefit from the current weakness in the economy and the shares offer a good hedge against further deterioration" WH Ireland, Jan 2009 http://www.wh-ireland.co.uk/uploads/File/investmentBulletins/Investment%20Bulletin%20January%202009.pdf ________________________________________________________________ WH Ireland tips for 2009: * GlaxoSmithKline, AB Foods, Tesco, Petrofac, Carillion, Chaucer Holdings, T Clarke, Begbies Traynor. http://uk.reuters.com/article/paperTips/idUKPTIP32507220081231
slickmick Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Something is not right, Marc Jackson is a smoke screen beware. Rupert Lowe Rupert Lowe whats going on.
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 I expect the ITK's were all grovelling up to him at the forum match last night though as they're all as braindead. I was at the forum match didn't see MJ(could have walked straight past him for all I knew) but aware today from Nickh's post he was there which ties in with my post on a different thread re St David, however, fail to understand why people would be 'grovelling up to him' ? do you fawn over people and therefore assume others do the same, a needless pop at other posters imo Stanley, grovelling, braindead..necessary ?
benjii Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 "Specialist insolvency practitioner Begbies Traynor is well placed to benefit from the current weakness in the economy and the shares offer a good hedge against further deterioration" WH Ireland, Jan 2009 http://www.wh-ireland.co.uk/uploads/File/investmentBulletins/Investment%20Bulletin%20January%202009.pdf ________________________________________________________________ WH Ireland tips for 2009: * GlaxoSmithKline, AB Foods, Tesco, Petrofac, Carillion, Chaucer Holdings, T Clarke, Begbies Traynor. http://uk.reuters.com/article/paperTips/idUKPTIP32507220081231 It's not rocket science though is it? Biggest downturn in living memory >>> more insolvency work.
trousers Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 It's not rocket science though is it? Biggest downturn in living memory >>> more insolvency work. Indeed. So why would WH Ireland single out just one insolvancy firm?
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 (edited) I was at the forum match didn't see MJ(could have walked straight past him for all I knew) but aware today from Nickh's post he was there which ties in with my post on a different thread re St David, however, fail to understand why people would be 'grovelling up to him' ? do you fawn over people and therefore assume others do the same, a needless pop at other posters imo Stanley, grovelling, braindead..necessary ? What i said is true, and Jacko knows it too. There's a little group of fans that aren't content with hearing news through the proper channels who go out of their way to grovel up to the likes of LLS as being ITK twangs their egos. And past events show they are gullible in the extreme - blinded by a desire to feel important. Edited 8 May, 2009 by Mole
Amesbury Saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 I dont actually mind who takes over Saints. I dont actually know any of the characters involved all I want is Saints to be successful and financially ok
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 What i said is true, and Jacko knows it too. There's a little group of fans that aren't content with hearing news through the proper channels who go out of their way to grovel up to the likes of LLS as being ITK twangs their egos. Is this place one of the proper channels you speak of ? you may be right in that some want or would rather hear information first, does that mean their self interest is primary ? the fact that they share it on here imo conflicts with that, if a poster said something like "met with a member of the consortium last night, was very interesting but can't say no more, wait and see, Friday is the day..." then that would be (ock like behaviour but if they say "spoke to MJ and blah blah blah" then I interpret that as simply sharing information with those who have an interest.
Amesbury Saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 So nothing happened again today then, fellas? looks that way. time must be up soon?
St Chalet Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 So nothing happened again today then, fellas? Apart from St David appearing to returning to his fantasy world, no. LLS, St David and takeovers, is it 2007? Pass me the Chablis.
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Is this place one of the proper channels you speak of ? you may be right in that some want or would rather hear information first, does that mean their self interest is primary ? the fact that they share it on here imo conflicts with that, if a poster said something like "met with a member of the consortium last night, was very interesting but can't say no more, wait and see, Friday is the day..." then that would be (ock like behaviour but if they say "spoke to MJ and blah blah blah" then I interpret that as simply sharing information with those who have an interest. The problem is that most (not all) of the ITK's aren't very bright and get so carried away with feeling important that they are a dream for people like Jacko to exploit. All they need (and want) is a slow drip feeding of ******** and they've suceeded in their objectives. I must admit i don't like the "i know something you don't know" nature of the ITK's. They plant a seed and then announce "i will not be posting anymore on this thread" for example. What is that all about? Talk about smug, yet the majority on here hang on their every word, cult ITK status is achieved, and Jacko and his ilk get what they wanted. And the sad thing is these ITK's are so consumed with feeling all important they don't even realise they've been played like a fiddle.
Amesbury Saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Apart from St David appearing to returning to his fantasy world, no. LLS, St David and takeovers, is it 2007? Pass me the Chablis. Has St D posted on here again?
benjii Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Indeed. So why would WH Ireland single out just one insolvancy firm? Because most professional services firms are LLPs - outside investment is a no no. Begbies Traynor, on the other hand, is owend by a PLC.
St Chalet Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Has St D posted on here again? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=293422&postcount=77
trousers Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Because most professional services firms are LLPs - outside investment is a no no. Begbies Traynor, on the other hand, is owend by a PLC. Cheers for that. Didn't appreciated the difference Ye olde 'holding company' tactic eh? Now where have we seen that tried before....
Micky Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 I dont actually mind who takes over Saints. I dont actually know any of the characters involved all I want is Saints to be successful and financially ok There appears very little chance of this happening though - given the 'track record' of MJ. Methinks with a little investigation of your own, then you probably would mind - you might even welcome back Rupert Lowe.
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 The problem is that most (not all) of the ITK's aren't very bright the sad thing is these ITK's are so consumed with feeling all important they don't even realise they've been played like a fiddle. Manipulating fans is one thing, has/will his art of manipulation work on Fry ? if that indeed is all he is about, look, if he is playing a game and we, SFC, lose out whether by investor or further point deduction then i'm all for beating the photocopier cartridge right out of him, however, what i'm struggling to reconcile is Fry will have knowledge of him and his previous conduct so maybe, just maybe he's found a money man this time, who knows ?
benjii Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 Cheers for that. Didn't appreciated the difference Ye olde 'holding company' tactic eh? Now where have we seen that tried before.... Yep - no points deduction for them.... oh
Mole Posted 8 May, 2009 Posted 8 May, 2009 The biggest losers are the ordinary hard working fans of SFC. We've had passionate fans that have gone out of their way to give donations to the club and Marc Jacksons involvement is just burning this money. One way of looking at is that all the money donated to the bucket collection is paying for Jacksons timewasting. This poor family have busted a gut to help SFC, is this fair on them?
SaintRichmond Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Why did Lowe select Begbies as administrator in the first place....? You don't REALLY need an answer to that do you ???
SaintRichmond Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Something is not right, Marc Jackson is a smoke screen beware. Rupert Lowe Rupert Lowe whats going on. ... "He's Coming Home, He's Coming Home .... Mr Football's Coming Home .... " Fry/Begbies/ Lowe .... The Biggest Stink since the Great London Sewage Problem
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 I have just had a phone call from St David who says he is not part of this consortium although obviously he knows Marc Jackson. I asked him about Master Bates text re an announcement on Monday and he was not aware there was going to be one. While not disbelieving what St David has told you Duncan I think that you, with all your dealings with people, realise that people (no matter how affable they may appear) almost always have an agenda. So they may not tell you the whole story or the complete truth. David was himself led up the proverbial garden path with Mr Jackson's dealings just about two years ago. Maybe he's not diving in again. Maybe he's as enthusiastic, and naive (like I was) as last time? I have no idea if St David is or isn't involved. Just be wary. Very wary.
SaintRichmond Posted 9 May, 2009 Posted 9 May, 2009 Rupert Lowe will part of the Jackson package if it ever happens. Does my esteemed colleague Stanley share this surmise ....... ......... ( the thought Sh*t Sticks comes to mind, and in his case, he'd stick to Teflon )
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