Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Page 20 of todays Echo...'An end to the Saints conspiracy'. It appears no-one, and I mean no-one, deferred their wages. No-one offered to, and no-one took a a wage cut. They, our so called players, are a f*cking disgrace, get rid of the lot I say. Bucket collections...£13,000, enough to pay Euell for one week. As the man says.....'seen leaving the stadium in their £2,000 suits, heading for their£50,000 cars, not a one opened up his Gucci wallet, when the club was most needing.:mad::mad: On this indictment alone, I could give up the 'Beautiful' game for good:mad: ****ing appalling. How dare they? There is a lot of us who have put so much ****ing effort into trying to keep this club alive, and that's what we get. I can't believe it. ANGRY FACE THINGY SMASHING THE PLAYERS FACES IN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 If it's in the Echo it must be true eh!!:cool: More reliable than rumours on this forum TBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 It really is a disgrace, and to think the fans stood and clapped those ******s at the end of the forest game makes it even worse. Whats a week or 2 wages to them? they sttod by and left it to the fans to pass buckets collecting their wages, **** em, they are scum as far as i'm concerned. Ive thought all along that this putting money in buckets is for the suckers. The accountants must think we are all mugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 ...but would you give up your wages (or even some of them)? Its DEFER wages until a later date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Depends if my career depended it on or the roof over my family's head. Honda, Mini, much of the haulage industry are all giving up a full time salary and pay cuts. Whichever way you try to justify it, it doesn't look good on the club or the players especially when they have been looking for donations. Sorry, but it is very wrong and more should have been done in house by the club before passing round the begging bowl. My feelings on this have been the same since before Nick Illingsworth swung his first bucket. I agree. My bosses husband has just taken a 20% pay cut. It's easy really - take the cut or the company has to sack people or fold. Mind you if you're a selfish c*nt who only thinks about yourself then you won't take the cut I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 how many of you would defer wages for the company you work for? I know i wouldn't - instead of looking at the players we should look to those who agreed to pay the likes of Euell £10k a week... Renegotiated my contract to do just that if the need arises. But I guess I'm not a mercenary ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 That just sums up so many professional footballers. I do know of one footballer who was on less than 5k who donated 250k to his club after he was sold to help with the debt. It can happen but its very rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 So therefore all this Saints Aid stuff and All Star footy match will carry on covering players' wages? I just can't be having that, all prepared to buy a ST but to donate (albeit you are getting something in return... Craig David!) to pay (here comes the cliche), BWP's five grand a week is not on IMO. Worse still, putting bloody money in a bucket. Not once as Mark Fry said, "right, we actually need x amount in x number of days to stay solvent or the club has gone", not once, if that was the case then maybe I would feel differently. If 13K has been raided (as reported) the I fail to see who that has made the slightest bit of relative difference to the solvency of SFC, and with that in mind... "I'm Out". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 All they care about is the money.....I've said it all along and its not just Saints players, it festers throughout football nowadays..........they have no loyalty to anything but their own pockets........the way football is nowadays....sad but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 More brilliant management,asking other clubs their opinions.Symptomatic of the way our club has been run for a long long time,the lack of good management and common sense has near killed us !! ... A bit like how the OS liked to tell us how good the opposition thought we had been after taking three points of us..... Wolves think we are a good team so we won't get relegated!... March madness? or Management Madness? you decide??? .... You would like to think that some of the players would have done something to help the fundraising but not necessarily sure they should be critised for not deffering. I remember when Leicester were in queer street and I think i am right in saying that emil Heskey lumped in a load of cash to help save them?? Certainly showed his connection with his home town club. I think some of our former players would help (according to Channon) but they just wanted to know how the money would be used.... which I think is the problem a lot of people have had and hence the lack of £1000 donations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Ive thought all along that this putting money in buckets is for the suckers. The accountants must think we are all mugs Football fan = Mug They have you by the heart strings! - its a passion and an emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-ross Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Not anywhere near "a disgrace" IMHO. Why should they be any different to any other employee of a company in financial difficulty? It is not as if they are all mega rich superstars. Some may be better placed to give up some money than others, but what would you do faced with the prospect of no contract and no wages at all in a few weeks time? I expect you would try to accumulate as much as possible before that happens, not give it up. To them its a job, to us it is something that invokes irrational thoughts and emotions (bit like a girlfriend :-) ). Come on mate! the average salary in the uk is about £32k, some of these players make that in 2-3 weeks. That is exactly why they should be treated different. In my book, yes, thats pretty rich! Highly paid yes, superstars no! I can understand the youngsters being relctant, but for many of that squad, 1 weeks wage is a mere drop in the ocean. DISGRACEFUL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Realistically, I wouldn't have expected players to defer their wages. The thing which I find staggering is the failure to turn up at Sheffield Wednesday when bucket collections were paying their wages. To me that speaks volumes about the lack of character within the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Come on mate! the average salary in the uk is about £32k, some of these players make that in 2-3 weeks. That is exactly why they should be treated different. In my book, yes, thats pretty rich! Highly paid yes, superstars no! I can understand the youngsters being relctant, but for many of that squad, 1 weeks wage is a mere drop in the ocean. DISGRACEFUL! This is also a result of the dissolution of the fabric of the club - now if you look down the club stats it is hard to find more than a couple of players that have played more than a 100 games for the club ... compared to only four or five years aago when you had numerous players who had clocked several hundred appearances for the club. The current crop of players or squad have very little connection to the clubs supporters. They are here today gone tomorrow and would be advised by there advisors not defer their wages. All of their money negotiations are handled by agent (pimps) - can you honestly see an agent advising his player to defer wages??? or the PFA??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highamsaint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Totally agree with ooohTerryHurlock. MLT would have taken a pay cut or done it for nothing. So would most of the squad 10 years ago. This bunch are just journeymen, not proper saints. Very disappointed with Surman - would have loved to have played at the benefit match, but oh dear, I'm on holiday. Priorities? I hope Kelvin did take a cut or played for free, it was reported that he did and he seems to be about the only one who gives a damn. Just about finishes any faith I had left if that isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Sadly it all once again boils down to the fact that these days only Fans show loyalty, players never seem to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Oh my God. Pressional footballers are very well paid. Geees..... Amazing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanco Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 (edited) I'When Southampton FC was going to the wall, what did you do for the club daddy?' Edited 9 May, 2009 by Blanco Saint Craig David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highamsaint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 It's got nothing to do with whether they're paid well or not. At the moment the club needs every penny it can get. It's to do with pride, loyalty and respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Allegedly, Best spent a long night at a hotel in London, 'entertaining' the then Miss World. When the bell boy brought breakfast in the morning he found empty champagne bottles everywhere with banknotes spread all over the bed. He allegedly asked Best 'Georgie, where did it all go wrong?' A wasted career and an early death, perhaps George should have lsitened to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Perhaps players pay should be performance based only? A set basic wage for the Prem the CCC etc. Then on top they get large win bonuses and extra pay for progression in cups and the final league positions. That way either our players would have been stung into trying harder or our wag bill would have been way smaller come last Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Our players turned out to be ridiculously overpaid for their demonstrated level of ability. There was absolutely no way I was putting money in a bucket to pay their wages. If they ****ed off as a result I would have taken my boots along to SMS, played for free, and done no worse a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 These people make me sick. Absolute b*stards, the lot of them. Who do they think they are, entering into an employment contract and expecting to be paid? I certainly go to work each week just grateful to be alive and when they offer me money I always politely refuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 These people make me sick. Absolute b*stards, the lot of them. Who do they think they are, entering into an employment contract and expecting to be paid? I certainly go to work each week just grateful to be alive and when they offer me money I always politely refuse. Its different, McDonalds are not in administration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 The other thing to consider is that would players be willing to give up or defer their pay if not all the other players did it? Say, for example, you're Kelvin Davies agree to defer wages for the good of the club and then see a colleague like BWP not follow suit? I'm not sure I'd be happy in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I like many others on here bought tickets to give away to fans to help the club. but did you say to your employer to give your wages to southampton football club for a few months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 but did you say to your employer to give your wages to southampton football club for a few months? No as im my employer and have been since i left school...so I might have. It is a poor arguement as the players are directly employed by the company that they would be trying to save. It is a mad business as to a lot of them if the club folded they are free agents and some could earn juicy signing on fees if we did. The incentive to save us is not as paramount as it would be under a normal workforce situation for them. As a jesture to the fans who adore them ,sing their names take time off work to travel and watch them wioth their hard erned wages i would have thought morally they would do wahtever to save us. There again from somebody who thinks that bringing back an aged kitman at the expense of others/ or to increase the wage bill just to have his return im not surprised you are argueing for the players not to join in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 i dont think its fair to give the players grief over not giving there wages away. they all have familys and houses to keep etc. so what if they earn more than you.thats got nothing to do with it. sounds like a awfull lot of jelousy going on. i do agree most of them are a bunch of jumped up little tossers who love them selves and earn to much. whatever anyways,thats my opinion. im not saying its right or wrong its just what i think. As for woggy. hes worth 250 quid a week all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I think some people have missed the point, yes we would all want the wages we were due if our company was in trouble but this is about someone earning £17K a week watching working people putting a decent chunk of their cash into helping their club, people who may not be able to afford much but who have donated tickets, bought shirts etc. It's about guilt and that comes from within. I would like to think that most people would contribute if they were the high earners in that situation, rather than sitting quietly sqirrelling away every penny, bleeding the club dry. (and as an aside - not even earning it!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 These people make me sick. Absolute b*stards, the lot of them. Who do they think they are, entering into an employment contract and expecting to be paid? I certainly go to work each week just grateful to be alive and when they offer me money I always politely refuse. They should be grateful they have a contract that allows them to change employers whenever they want so long as it's with the permission of the current employer and in the correct month of the year. I'm sure some of them are very happy they can only play for 2 clubs in one calendar year and that Michel Platini is actively trying to change it so they cannot play for 2 clubs in the same league in the same season. If only I had such freedom of employment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Surely Drew Surman deferred or donated his wages after all he's a local lad and a Saints supporter........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 So can anyone tell me if the brothers show on radio hants has shut down for good or just the summer? I quite liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I think some people have missed the point, yes we would all want the wages we were due if our company was in trouble but this is about someone earning £17K a week watching working people putting a decent chunk of their cash into helping their club, people who may not be able to afford much but who have donated tickets, bought shirts etc. It's about guilt and that comes from within. I would like to think that most people would contribute if they were the high earners in that situation, rather than sitting quietly sqirrelling away every penny, bleeding the club dry. (and as an aside - not even earning it!!) Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Surely Drew Surman deferred or donated his wages after all he's a local lad and a Saints supporter........ he's also just had a young baby and got married? How old is he and how much do you think he earns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Who? Jason Euell. He's on 10k a week, and has received a signing on fee of 400k (which was paid in two installments) which averages out as 17k per week. It was in the Echo's Saints Untold Stories thing, but they don't appear to have put that particular article up online yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Jason Euell. He's on 10k a week, and has received a signing on fee of 400k (which was paid in two installments) which averages out as 17k per week. It was in the Echo's Saints Untold Stories thing, but they don't appear to have put that particular article up online yet. Signing-on fees don't count to someone's weekly wage. If you believe the figures that were leaked to the Echo, the £200k was paid in the summer and is not affecting the current outgoings for the club. Even if you were to pro-rate the signing-on fee over the course of his contract, it would add £4k/week to his wages assuming we're obliged to pay him until July. That would put him on approximately £14k/week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 The whole thing about Southampton FC being in crisis is not all its made out to be. There are fans scambling to save the club, there are wages paid out to some who could help but the fund does not replicate a proportional amount. That being what fans find and what other could find. The relegation to Div 2 will see only real dedicated people who want to be with Saints and the low wages will hopefully get only those player/board memebers. It appears day by day just like the MPs allowances that some think its thier right to be greedy, well its a free market so FO to another club! In some ways I would rather see the club fold and start again in BBS, £8,000 a week to play football when some earn just that in a year!! get real your in the **** leaque now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Most of them won't be our players too much longer anyway. If we survive hope we get some who understand the balance between putting in and taking out. And aren't total gimps at soccer too. I'd take two or three back, but that would be tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 The reality check needed is to remember that for players, football is a job, and a career that lasts for 15 years if they are lucky. Players don't come to Southampton because this is the club they want to play for, they come because its the best offer available for them at the time. Players are not fans, and fans should remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintgert76 Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 how many of you would defer wages for the company you work for? I know i wouldn't - instead of looking at the players we should look to those who agreed to pay the likes of Euell £10k a week... If u had performed as badly as there ****s u would rate been sacked a long time ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Attack Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 In my opinion i don't begrudge any of the players not giving up there wages. If the company i worked for was in financial trouble that is their issue and i wouldn't expect to work for anything less than the money i am contracted for. They are employees and are not supporters of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 As i think more about it perhaps they are right. We as fans or club will not think twice cutting them adrift as soon as we can to reduce the wage bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 That is not the players fault, so why should they pick up the tab? You can blame them for all sorts of things - including being crap or having a sh!t attitute - but you can't blame them for poor financial management and you can't blame them for picking up the wages the people who signed them agreed to pay for their services. I can blame them for not trying in a number of matches this season, particularly Forest where we conceded the second goal by two of our players pulling out of tackles, QPR and Sheffield United home. Thank God I cut back on the away games last season. Still, I'm up for visiting lots new grounds next season with new owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 As i think more about it perhaps they are right. We as fans or club will not think twice cutting them adrift as soon as we can to reduce the wage bill. With the exception of Kelvin too blooming right as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 So here we are, the crux of the matter. As fans we demanded success, the board and the manager tried to achieve that by spending money we didn't really have on players who they "thought" could do a job. Our whole mentality was that we were still a PL club and deserved PL players. So now the chickens have come home to roost and FINALLY we have woken up to how stupid the whole football and money thing is. IF we are to survive as a club then the high earners HAVE to be got rid of (ouch Rupert was right on that point if nothing else) The trouble is with contracts post Bosman - they cannot be got rid of so next year we could see the likes of Thomas being paid a sum that could actually pay for about 4 L1 experienced players. And the BIGGER problem is that the players continue to draw their salaries and us fans are in a HORRID catch-22 situation We have woken up to how obscene it is that they earn such money for so little, and yet UNLESS we stump up enough cash to PAY their wages, the club goes bust. There is a gap between being bought and keeping going and although we are being mugged by the likes of Euell, UNLESS we pay up we have no club to be saved and no new owners to kick them all out. Catch-22, pay them or die. And no, be honest gang, Blue Square is NOT a realistic option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 In my opinion i don't begrudge any of the players not giving up there wages. If the company i worked for was in financial trouble that is their issue and i wouldn't expect to work for anything less than the money i am contracted for. They are employees and are not supporters of the club. So, you would rather the business went bust and you had no job at all? Nice work. These footballers need to remember that they are not immune from the recession. Many have performed badly, their value has gone down. So yes, Euell can have 15k a week and bankrupt SFC. Then he'll be lucky to get 5k somewhere else... Conversely, some will get jobs more easily and probably at higher wages in which case they were going anyway and probably don't give a stuff. Either way, I'd like to know how well they sleep in their executive homes knowing that pensioners are chucking money in a bucket to keep them in Bollinger... And ultimately, that is a decision about whether you are a MAN and not about your employment status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 Nobody would defer their wages working in a normal job. If my boss came to me and said, you can either: take a wage referral for a month to give us time to agree a takeover by a new owner who would then honour your contract or carry on getting paid, but by taking the wage reduced the sales window which means you risk having no job at all in a few weeks time I think I would have to consider the first option - especially if I had earned just short of £500,000 in the 11 months previous. Obviously those out of contract in the summer are less inclined to do this, but if they wanetd a new deal from SFC then they would be in the same boat as those with contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 That is not the players fault, so why should they pick up the tab? You can blame them for all sorts of things - including being crap or having a sh!t attitute - but you can't blame them for poor financial management and you can't blame them for picking up the wages the people who signed them agreed to pay for their services. I can blame them for not trying in a number of matches this season, particularly Forest where we conceded the second goal by two of our players pulling out of tackles, QPR and Sheffield United home. Thank God I cut back on the away games last season. Still, I'm up for visiting lots new grounds next season with new owners. Did you actually read my post before quoting it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 ...but would you give up your wages (or even some of them)? Its DEFER wages until a later date"Defer" = "Give up" if the employer goes bust in the interim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 11 May, 2009 Share Posted 11 May, 2009 "Defer" = "Give up" if the employer goes bust in the interim. Yes, but if it's give up some and prolong earnings power, give up none and see the business go bust quicker, it's a decision millions have been faced with and chosen the former option. And those people in the real world have simply taken a cut to help save their employers - not even a deferral. It says everything we need to about professional footballers and the modern world today that there are even people defending their actions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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