Lots of skeletons coming out of the cupboard now..

[sadoldgit]

Not sure about the "stinking rich" bit Robbie, but I really hope you are right about being on the up!!! Either staying in the 3rd Division or sinking even lower does not bare thinking about!!!

[SaintRobbie]

Not sure about the "stinking rich" bit Robbie, but I really hope you are right about being on the up!!! Either staying in the 3rd Division or sinking even lower does not bare thinking about!!!

 

Well we have to accept that whoever they are we are likely to be in League 1 for 2 seasons at least - provided a new manager can be appointed quickly and can attract some new players. Otherwise the damage done to the team by Lowe this past year WILL see us go into League 2. I have no doubts about that given the quality, motivation and managerial leadership on offer currently.

 

We will need to be patient with our new owners for 2 seasons in League 1 at least IMHO.

 

But always remember why... Lowe's crass UNNECESSARY decision making from last summer.

[SFC Forever]

Even with a 10 point penalty I see no reason why we can't have a go at and get promoted next season. That is if the new owner/s get in a manager worth his salt.

[sadoldgit]

Well we have to accept that whoever they are we are likely to be in League 1 for 2 seasons at least - provided a new manager can be appointed quickly and can attract some new players. Otherwise the damage done to the team by Lowe this past year WILL see us go into League 2. I have no doubts about that given the quality, motivation and managerial leadership on offer currently.

 

We will need to be patient with our new owners for 2 seasons in League 1 at least IMHO.

 

But always remember why... Lowe's crass UNNECESSARY decision making from last summer.

 

Let it go man, you wil drive yourself crazy. What's done is done, we can only hope for better times ahead mate.

[hypochondriac]

Let it go man, you wil drive yourself crazy. What's done is done, we can only hope for better times ahead mate.

 

During the season it was "get behind the team, the inquest can start afterwards." Now it's "Let it go that's the past." I'm interested in the mistakes of this season because I've had to sit through it all.

[CB Fry]

You mean like when we signed up Euell & John & Safri & Thomas last season? Speculation isn't a guarantee of success - that is why it is called speculation. If it works great, if it fails you go bust.... Ring any bells?

 

The difference is the key. Strachan had been proven in the role, had built a good squad and was flying.

 

The players you list were bought by different people at different times and amid total managerial and squad turmoil!

 

And for the record without Stern John we would have been relegated twelve months ago, which rather underlines why you do need to invest in the squad!!

 

But only under the guidance of the manager. Chairman should facilitate their managers to build a squad.

 

Failure to invest in the playing staff after the cup final is one thing. Failing to back your manager and retain him after such a successful spell is suicidal.

 

 

Errr - no they weren't, they all bought by George Burley who had been the manager for the previous season and a half, meaning about as far away from "managerial turmoil" as you could have got.

 

And they were all bought in the same close season as well, so not at "different times" and not by "different managers".

 

So it was actually exactly the same as the Strachan situation, just a division below.

Edited 10 May, 2009 by CB Fry

[lancelot link]

During the season it was "get behind the team, the inquest can start afterwards." Now it's "Let it go that's the past." I'm interested in the mistakes of this season because I've had to sit through it all.

 

we all are. so they can be learned from and never repeated

[hypochondriac]

we all are. so they can be learned from and never repeated

 

Exactly. SOG wants to erase it from history as if it never happened. I would think now would be the ideal time to reflect on the season and to work out where it all went wrong.

[Puddings and Monkeys]

we all are. so they can be learned from and never repeated

 

But we're not the ones who need to learn are we?...we had no say in the past and will have no say in the future; those who ****ed up (i.e the ones who do need to learn) are long gone and not coming back, so what's the real point other than more navel gazing and whinging?????

[Ponty]

But we're not the ones who need to learn are we?...we had no say in the past and will have no say in the future; those who ****ed up (i.e the ones who do need to learn) are long gone and not coming back, so what's the real point other than more navel gazing and whinging?????

 

Exactly how I see it. What we say, learn or digest makes no difference whatsoever.

[hypochondriac]

But we're not the ones who need to learn are we?...we had no say in the past and will have no say in the future; those who ****ed up (i.e the ones who do need to learn) are long gone and not coming back, so what's the real point other than more navel gazing and whinging?????

 

Most of us could have done a lot better when Wilde came to town. We had a big say on what went on IMO.

[Verbal]

But we're not the ones who need to learn are we?...we had no say in the past and will have no say in the future; those who ****ed up (i.e the ones who do need to learn) are long gone and not coming back, so what's the real point other than more navel gazing and whinging?????

 

So let me get this right. The worst season in the history of the club just ended a matter of days ago. The club has been relegated for the second time in four years, fallen into administration and picked up a points penalty that may yet increase. And we may not even have a club to support if events conspire against us in the next few days.

 

But your idea of what our reaction should be is: Oh well, never mind. Mustn't grumble.

 

Actually we have plenty to learn. How many of us, for example, fell for Wilde's hopeless incompetence dressed as fan-friendly flag-waving? When, after much hesitation, Leon Crouch finally sided with Wilde to bring Lowe down, it had an awful lot to do with fan pressure.

 

Of course, even if we'd been able to see the awful consequences, we were at the time between a rock and hard place. It was clear to most at the time that Lowe's stupid 'big ideas' (I think he really thought he could change the face of football) never stood a chance, and his pompous mendacity and utter hopelessness, combined with a toxic refusal to listen to common sense, risked driving the club further into oblivion.

 

Which, in the end, actually happened.

 

So with hindsight, what SHOULD we have done? Tough question.

[hypochondriac]

So let me get this right. The worst season in the history of the club just ended a matter of days ago. The club has been relegated for the second time in four years, fallen into administration and picked up a points penalty that may yet increase. And we may not even have a club to support if events conspire against us in the next few days.

 

But your idea of what our reaction should be is: Oh well, never mind. Mustn't grumble.

 

Actually we have plenty to learn. How many of us, for example, fell for Wilde's hopeless incompetence dressed as fan-friendly flag-waving? When, after much hesitation, Leon Crouch finally sided with Wilde to bring Lowe down, it had an awful lot to do with fan pressure.

 

Of course, even if we'd been able to see the awful consequences, we were at the time between a rock and hard place. It was clear to most at the time that Lowe's stupid 'big ideas' (I think he really thought he could change the face of football) never stood a chance, and his pompous mendacity and utter hopelessness, combined with a toxic refusal to listen to common sense, risked driving the club further into oblivion.

 

Which, in the end, actually happened.

 

So with hindsight, what SHOULD we have done? Tough question.

 

Cheers Verbal. That is exactly my point.

[captainchris]

Nope, it is you who doesnt get it.

 

If we had better results with better (or more suited) players, the attendances would ahve gone up and possibly admin wouldnt have happened.

 

You dont know at what point the block of the Scowcroft move happened.

 

How many times did the team respond with attempted increased attendance with a sh*t performance ?

 

If the teams performances had been better and got better results, increased attendances would have snowballed

 

Wotte not up to the task was the major problem - 'Diamonds' are not forever - one would hope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Puddings and Monkeys]

So let me get this right. The worst season in the history of the club just ended a matter of days ago. The club has been relegated for the second time in four years, fallen into administration and picked up a points penalty that may yet increase. And we may not even have a club to support if events conspire against us in the next few days.

 

But your idea of what our reaction should be is: Oh well, never mind. Mustn't grumble.

 

Actually we have plenty to learn. How many of us, for example, fell for Wilde's hopeless incompetence dressed as fan-friendly flag-waving? When, after much hesitation, Leon Crouch finally sided with Wilde to bring Lowe down, it had an awful lot to do with fan pressure.

 

Of course, even if we'd been able to see the awful consequences, we were at the time between a rock and hard place. It was clear to most at the time that Lowe's stupid 'big ideas' (I think he really thought he could change the face of football) never stood a chance, and his pompous mendacity and utter hopelessness, combined with a toxic refusal to listen to common sense, risked driving the club further into oblivion.

 

Which, in the end, actually happened.

 

So with hindsight, what SHOULD we have done? Tough question.

 

Please show me where I have said "Oh well never mind. Mustn't grumble" - oh you can't....so why pretend that I did?

 

My point is that it's not a bunch or loons and retards on a message board that have to learn is it sherlock? There's nothing that WE could have done last year and nothing that WE can do next year that will make any difference.

 

Those who should be learning e.g. Lowe and his hair brianed scheme, Wilde with his failed promises of investment and Crouch with his recent "I should have sided with Lowe" comments, are all gone; they're history and will not have any say in what next year brings for the club. It's all very well some of them coming out now and saying "I should have done XXXXX, I should have done YYY" - they didn't when it mattered and I hope that none of them are ever in a position to have any influence at Saints again.

 

So when people on here go on about "it's important that "we" learn the lessons of this and never repeat them", who is this "WE" they're talking about?...because as far as I can see, we as supporters have nothing to learn - what did we do wrong last year that caused us to get relegated and go into administration? The new owners we'll have did nothing wrong and will have their own plans for the club; the only people who do have something to learn are no longer around, so have your little sessions of navel gazing and even get some counselling if you want. But you know what....none of the people who matter in taking this club forward care or are listening to what happens on this message board.