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So what?

 

I have to make claims in my job, They make claims in theirs.

 

You probably have to provide receipts and if you are caught fiddling your expenses, you will probably lose your job.

 

These guys are all taking the **** - milking the taxpayer for what they are worth. It wouldn't be so bad if they were doing a decent job.........

 

Clown and his comrades are finished....this will be quite apparent in the June elections. My worry is that instead of dealing with the worst economic crisis since the second world war, the socialist party will be fighting each other for position (in the hope of hanging on to their well expensed jobs), meanwhile the country goes to the dogs.

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Oh, f*cking socialist party my arse. Didn't you see the Institute of Fiscal Studies survey out today, showing that social inequality is at its highest since 1961? If they're a bunch of commies, they're certainly not doing a very good job.

 

I agree with them all being professional politician c*nts, though.

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They're all as bad as each other. Very sad that politicians are more concerned with point scoring than acknowledging when the party in power does things well but truly believing that they could do better overall. I want to see the positives not the negatives of what the other party has done wrong. Labour harp on about when the tories were last in power. How many years ago was that! Most of the people involved have gone and the country has moved on. Less of this and I may have a party to vote for

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They're all as bad as each other. Very sad that politicians are more concerned with point scoring than acknowledging when the party in power does things well but truly believing that they could do better overall. I want to see the positives not the negatives of what the other party has done wrong. Labour harp on about when the tories were last in power. How many years ago was that! Most of the people involved have gone and the country has moved on. Less of this and I may have a party to vote for

 

Completely agree with this no wonder at the various elections there is such a low turn out people have got cheesed off with all the mud slinging.

But seeing the PM's questioin time the other day he looks like a complete lame duck and now the party appears to be fighting amongst themselves,almost a re-run of when the Tories lost power.

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It's all very well and good people saying "but I make expenses claims at work". Do you claim cleaning? Do you claim heating? Do you claim a second home? (Although arguably, a second home could actually work out cheaper than weeks and weeks of hotel bills, which is why some large companies rent out flats for people to use).

 

The amounts may be small, but take for example the £6000 for Brown's cleaning, that amount is the amount that 1 person could have paid in tax for a whole year, which understandably would make most people feel sick that their hard earned money has been used to clean Brown's house (if you want to view it like that).

It is an abuse. Expenses are supposed to be necessary; petrol, train, subsistence, hotel, pens, paper, phone, clothing (if you need it for work) etc.

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Completely agree with this no wonder at the various elections there is such a low turn out people have got cheesed off with all the mud slinging.

But seeing the PM's questioin time the other day he looks like a complete lame duck and now the party appears to be fighting amongst themselves,almost a re-run of when the Tories lost power.

 

True but the sad thing is I predict that the Tories will be exactly the same. There's no point in voting because one of labour or conservative will get in and they will do similar things on the issues that matter.

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They're all as bad as each other. Very sad that politicians are more concerned with point scoring than acknowledging when the party in power does things well but truly believing that they could do better overall. I want to see the positives not the negatives of what the other party has done wrong.

 

There's that and there's the way that every single debate, decision, u-turn, awful fuq up or PM's fart is sold to us as a tremendous victory for the government and a great leap forward for the British people. Just be honest and say a bad thing has happened and you're trying to put it right, maybe people will respect you more.

 

True but the sad thing is I predict that the Tories will be exactly the same. There's no point in voting because one of labour or conservative will get in and they will do similar things on the issues that matter.

 

If only all the people who thought that way would vote Lib Dem... ;)

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I think the biggest two fingers to the public is that rule that allows them to claim for mortgage interest - thus even if only serving 5 years being able to make a profit when selling a house on which the interest was paid by the tax payer - a feckin disgrace - teh solution should be simple

 

Any profit generated should be returned to the tax payer + the interest payments so teh MP would get no profit from a house purchased to do 'their work' in LOndon

 

 

or simply change teh rule so that they only get reimbursed upto £X for rental only - if they choose top buy they cant claim at all, OR just buiod a one off block that is owned by the tax payer and they get to stay their FOC when in town...

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If only all the people who thought that way would vote Lib Dem... ;)

 

Yeah cos they would be so much better wouldn't they :rolleyes:

 

Seriously, I am going to take a leaf out of Monty Brewster's book and put my cross next to 'none of the above' when election time comes round. In all my lifetime (I'm 34) I have yet to see a politician who deserves my vote. They are each as bad as one another. It really doesn't matter who gets in.

 

As for MPs expenses - how the hell is it justifiable that they can claim back for a big ****-off plasma TV and John Lewis furnishings? They earn a pretty decent wage to begin with and yet they still expect their employers to furnish their houses, and then have the temerity to expect to be paid extra just for turning up to work.

 

Useless, spongeing fatcats the lot of them.

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They earn a pretty decent wage to begin with

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I agree they are useless, spongeing ****s, but £60k a year really isnt very much if they have to live and work in central london AND have a home in their consituency

 

i think most of them see the expenses as making up for their poor salaries

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Yeah cos they would be so much better wouldn't they :rolleyes:

 

Seriously, I am going to take a leaf out of Monty Brewster's book and put my cross next to 'none of the above' when election time comes round. In all my lifetime (I'm 34) I have yet to see a politician who deserves my vote. They are each as bad as one another. It really doesn't matter who gets in.

 

As for MPs expenses - how the hell is it justifiable that they can claim back for a big ****-off plasma TV and John Lewis furnishings? They earn a pretty decent wage to begin with and yet they still expect their employers to furnish their houses, and then have the temerity to expect to be paid extra just for turning up to work.

 

Useless, spongeing fatcats the lot of them.

 

I was so nearly tempted to do that myself during the last election. I was actually in the booth thinking about writing it on the paper. Voted obediently instead. I think I bloody well will do it this time.

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Oh, f*cking socialist party my arse. Didn't you see the Institute of Fiscal Studies survey out today, showing that social inequality is at its highest since 1961? If they're a bunch of commies, they're certainly not doing a very good job.

 

I agree with them all being professional politician c*nts, though.

 

I'd agree with this

 

It's all very well and good people saying "but I make expenses claims at work". Do you claim cleaning? Do you claim heating? Do you claim a second home? (Although arguably, a second home could actually work out cheaper than weeks and weeks of hotel bills, which is why some large companies rent out flats for people to use).

 

The amounts may be small, but take for example the £6000 for Brown's cleaning, that amount is the amount that 1 person could have paid in tax for a whole year, which understandably would make most people feel sick that their hard earned money has been used to clean Brown's house (if you want to view it like that).

It is an abuse. Expenses are supposed to be necessary; petrol, train, subsistence, hotel, pens, paper, phone, clothing (if you need it for work) etc.

 

Thing is they're allowed to claim things like this. Whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant 0 they're just doing what they're allowed to get away with.

 

Yeah cos they would be so much better wouldn't they :rolleyes:

 

Seriously, I am going to take a leaf out of Monty Brewster's book and put my cross next to 'none of the above' when election time comes round. In all my lifetime (I'm 34) I have yet to see a politician who deserves my vote. They are each as bad as one another. It really doesn't matter who gets in.

 

As for MPs expenses - how the hell is it justifiable that they can claim back for a big ****-off plasma TV and John Lewis furnishings? They earn a pretty decent wage to begin with and yet they still expect their employers to furnish their houses, and then have the temerity to expect to be paid extra just for turning up to work.

 

Useless, spongeing fatcats the lot of them.

 

I was so nearly tempted to do that myself during the last election. I was actually in the booth thinking about writing it on the paper. Voted obediently instead. I think I bloody well will do it this time.

 

Join the club St. Landrew and Bexy - I've spoiled my vote for the last two elections. I wrote "No Choice" on the ballot paper. It didn't really serve any purpose but I'll be damned if someone turns to me and says because I didn't vote then I have no opinion.

 

To be honest though we get the government we deserve.

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The A-Z of expenses.........

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5293320/MPs-expenses-A-Z.html

 

 

And there is more.....

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5297606/MPs-expenses-Full-list-of-MPs-investigated-by-the-Telegraph.html

 

It would be laughable if it wasn't so damn right wrong.IMO.

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Planning to set up an independent auditing body are they? How much will that cost US? Just be honest and decent you bunch of areseholes!

 

Prescott had better start practising that jab in my opinion, there'll be a few constituents wanting to stick one on him I don't doubt.

 

Have Alan Whithead and John Denham's claims been published anywhere?

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I always fiddle mine, Fake Mileage claims etc.

 

 

As you work in the public sector at Winchester Uni you are therefore stealing from all taxpayers which includes all of us posting here.

 

Clever admission!

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As you work in the public sector at Winchester Uni you are therefore stealing from all taxpayers which includes all of us posting here.

 

Clever admission!

 

Might have to give them a call and inform them of Shane's misdeeds...

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Fair play to Cameron so far. Hope he has the bottle to see it through if a few of them get uppity. Brown should be doing the same with his lot.

 

Perfect excuse for constituency parties to deselect a few unwanted MPs a year before the election though unless they cough up.

 

I mean, how many other people could claim for home items such as expensive TVs and dry rot repairs from their employers!

 

I particularly liked the Tory MP who said that he claimed £300 for swimming pool maintenance so he could see how it was done and so he hasn't claimed again since, stating that represented "value to the taxpayer".

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Fair play to Cameron so far. Hope he has the bottle to see it through if a few of them get uppity. Brown should be doing the same with his lot.

 

Perfect excuse for constituency parties to deselect a few unwanted MPs a year before the election though unless they cough up.

 

I mean, how many other people could claim for home items such as expensive TVs and dry rot repairs from their employers!

 

I particularly liked the Tory MP who said that he claimed £300 for swimming pool maintenance so he could see how it was done and so he hasn't claimed again since, stating that represented "value to the taxpayer".

 

With the Tories you expect it, but IMO the real damage is to the Labour Party and especially the sour faced Hariet Harman and Hazel Blears. Come to think of it I cannot think of one member of the cabinet who's likeable. They need to bring the likes of Kate Howey and Dennis Skinner onto the front bench imo or face a landslide defeat at the next election. But Brown won't because Brown is not at all smart.

 

And while i'm on the subject of unlikeable Labour stooges what about the speaker? I have absolutely no time for this little goblin. Just wait until his expenses are shown as it's widely rumoured he's really milked the system.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLVZm0g4dGY

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With the Tories you expect it, but IMO the real damage is to the Labour Party and especially the sour faced Hariet Harman and Hazel Blears. Come to think of it I cannot think of one member of the cabinet who's likeable. They need to bring the likes of Kate Howey and Dennis Skinner onto the front bench imo or face a landslide defeat at the next election. But Brown won't because Brown is not at all smart.

 

And while i'm on the subject of unlikeable Labour stooges what about the speaker? I have absolutely no time for this little goblin. Just wait until his expenses are shown as it's widely rumoured he's really milked the system.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLVZm0g4dGY

 

I think you talk rubbish Stanley as you are being party political. All are as bad as each other as particular individuals concerned.

 

Although I agree with sacking Michael Martin as speaker. And his deputy Alan Hazlehurst who has claimed £142,000 on a £2m non-mortgaged property. Both these guys have overseen and protected mass corruption.

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With the Tories you expect it, but IMO the real damage is to the Labour Party and especially the sour faced Hariet Harman and Hazel Blears. Come to think of it I cannot think of one member of the cabinet who's likeable. They need to bring the likes of Kate Howey and Dennis Skinner onto the front bench imo or face a landslide defeat at the next election. But Brown won't because Brown is not at all smart.

 

And while i'm on the subject of unlikeable Labour stooges what about the speaker? I have absolutely no time for this little goblin. Just wait until his expenses are shown as it's widely rumoured he's really milked the system.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLVZm0g4dGY

 

Caroline Flint as well, she was one of the few to come out of this well by insisting on paying capital gains tax when she sold her house I believe.

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Caroline Flint as well, she was one of the few to come out of this well by insisting on paying capital gains tax when she sold her house I believe.

 

Also she did a good photo shoot for the Observer woman supplement on Sunday!

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Cameron is trying to come out of this whiter than white, but even members of the Torie party are getting sick of this. The main reason Cameron didn't claim dodgy expenses is because he's chuffin minted.

 

I think he's paid back something.

 

I don't believe an MP's personal wealth should have any sway in the argument.

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I think he's paid back something.

 

I don't believe an MP's personal wealth should have any sway in the argument.

 

It shouldn't do for sure, but some MPs don't get paid much, and maybe aren't on corporate boards and really need the expenses system to have somewhere in London that resembles a home. Others don't need to claim expenses on second homes because they've already got fully furnished 2nd, 3rd and 4th homes. And we shouldn't let these loaded MPs make themselves out to be defenders of morality.

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It shouldn't do for sure, but some MPs don't get paid much, and maybe aren't on corporate boards and really need the expenses system to have somewhere in London that resembles a home. Others don't need to claim expenses on second homes because they've already got fully furnished 2nd, 3rd and 4th homes. And we shouldn't let these loaded MPs make themselves out to be defenders of morality.

 

I absolutely agree with you on that bit. I think MPs should not have second jobs, including directorships on corporate boards.

 

I believe MPs should be entitled to a second homes allowance when they live a long way from London. This is for two reasons:

 

Firstly, they do have two jobs; firstly as a representative of their consituency (where they hold surgeries to deal with their consituents' issues) and secondly as a Member of Parliament.

 

To deny them this second homes allowance would result in a distortion of the membership of the House as the only people who would be able to afford to be MPs would be the weatlhy.

 

If we think really clearly about this issue we can see that many MPs represent constituencies far removed from their family homes. Most decide to move house (albeit potentially only for 4 / 5 years but that's a risk they understand). If they have families, they would probably prefer their children to go to school outside London.

 

Also, given that the House often sits until 2 or 3 in the morning, it would actually be impracticable to go 'home' (to their consituencies) every night and be back in the morning for committees and other parliamentary work before the House sits.

 

If I have to do two days' work with a client in, say, Manchester, it's cheaper for me to stay in Manchester than to hack up and down the M6 for two days.

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With the Tories you expect it, but IMO the real damage is to the Labour Party

 

I agree for a number of reasons. Growing up with Alan B'stard you kind of expect the capitalists to have their snouts in the trough (not saying it is right, just that is what you expect). Whereas the morally bankrupt socialists doing it seems worse as they are supposed to be for the people (yeah, right!).

 

They are all at it to some extent, but at least Cameron is being seen to do something about it, whilst Clown is turning a blind eye and being left flat footed again.

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I agree for a number of reasons. Growing up with Alan B'stard you kind of expect the capitalists to have their snouts in the trough (not saying it is right, just that is what you expect). Whereas the morally bankrupt socialists doing it seems worse as they are supposed to be for the people (yeah, right!).

 

They are all at it to some extent, but at least Cameron is being seen to do something about it, whilst Clown is left flat footed again.

 

Damage limitation IMO because his lot's claims are possibly more reprehensible than those of the Libs and Labour.

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Damage limitation IMO

 

I agree it is damage limitation, but still better than doing nothing at all. I shouldn't be surprised as that is Brown's trademark.

 

because his lot's claims are possibly more reprehensible than those of the Libs and Labour.

 

The number of MPs and amounts involved with Labour are far greater.

 

Margaret Moran MP (Labour) is the MP for Luton. Her second home was in Southampton (which is further away from London than Luton is) and then she claims £22,000 for dry rot. How the hell do you explain that one? This is far worse than any of the Tory grandees and is one of the least mentioned of abuses.

 

As I said, there is nothing worse than a socialist caught with their snout in the trough.

 

Go Labour! Socialism Pays!

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I agree it is damage limitation, but still better than doing nothing at all. I shouldn't be surprised as that is Brown's trademark.

 

 

 

The number of MPs and amounts involved with Labour are far greater.

 

Margaret Moran MP (Labour) is the MP for Luton. Her second home was in Southampton (which is further away from London than Luton is) and then she claims £22,000 for dry rot. How the hell do you explain that one? This is far worse than any of the Tory grandees and is one of the least mentioned of abuses.

 

As I said, there is nothing worse than a socialist caught with their snout in the trough.

 

Go Labour! Socialism Pays!

 

There's nothing worse than ANY MP caught with his / her snout in the trough, actually.

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Here's a good one:

 

MPs’ expenses: Andrew George claimed for £308,000 flat used by daughter as 'bolt hole’

 

or this one:

 

Francis Maude claimed almost £35,000 in two years for mortgage interest payments on a London flat when he owned a house just a few hundred yards away.

 

and another one:

 

Kenneth Clarke has managed to avoid paying the full rate of council tax on either of his two homes - by effectively claiming that neither is his main residence

 

and finally

 

The shadow climate change minister made £320,000 in just over two years buying and selling a flat in one of London's most exclusive streets that he bought with the help of taxpayer-funded expenses

Go fascism - it pays bucket loads!

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